Gen 5 Camaro Racing Tech, Results - Track Results are in for 2010 CAMARO SS!!

Ok guys, took the car out to Baytown, Tx last night to test our prototype cold air induction system. We did not have a weather station but I can tell you the humidity was high like always in the Houston summers. Temperatures were around 85* at night time. We made a total of 9 passes. 3 stock, 3 tune only, and 3 LMR CAI&TUNE. Here are the averages:

STOCK- 13.46 @109.01

TUNE ONLY- 13.25 @109.88

LMR CAI & TUNE- 13.09 @110.82


Worst pass of the night was a 13.56 and Best pass of the night was 13.03 @111.14.

Will start mass production of our cold air induction systems on Monday. Feel free to email me or just give me a call at the shop to order yours TODAY!
Steven@latemodelracecraft.com

Nice! I have been looking forward to seeing real world track times from these cars. Was this an auto or manual?

how much of a lower ET would you predict in cooler weather as is?

What kind of 60' times were you guys getting? And how hard was it to launch this car? Any wheel hop?

Nice results with the air intake and tune, BTW. So close to 12's.

I'm also interested in the 60' times and how hard you were able to launch it.

I was there. I saw all your passes down to 13.17. I was in the staging lanes when you made the 13.12 pass. I videoed 3 or 4 of your runs. I got a video of the 13.17 pass. It was about 80-81 on your first pass and 79 degrees on your next 2 passes. Your 13.12 was at 78 degrees. Yes it was humid and hot as usual.

The car is so quiet on the launch and under power, IMO.

What 60' times were you getting? Nice trap speeds btw.

any vids?

dudeim not going to say who but theres a guy in S. A. TX who does tunes most people get 28 to 34 rwh and close to a sec off 1/4 times he hasnt tuned the new camaros yet


nice time bro but i got to say i was hoping to see high 12s

I'd like to know your 60' times too...........

They are probably in the 2.3 range for 60 foot times. If you could bolt up a set of drag radials and get some 1.8 60 foot times it should do 12.7's stock easily, then 12.5's with CIA and tune in that weather and that is warm conditions.:D

I'd like to know your 60' times too...........

steven's 60ft times were mostly 2.2 from the tickets i saw....he was taking off like a bitch....ya steven i said it...josh should of drove...

This is very promising, I wonder how full exhaust would compliment the cai and tune up?

this car should be lower 12's for sure with full bolt ons and a set of drag radials

1.8 mph with a tune and cold air kit and lowering temps? ET looks good but trap speed is the Horsepower indacater.

If you wanted to evaluate your product, you should have made some passes with your CAI before tuning. This way you would have an accurate before and after comparison. And you really should post the 60' times for each run so it doesn't look like you might have been babying it on the "stock" passes in order to make your product look like it gained more than it did.

If you wanted to evaluate your product, you should have made some passes with your CAI before tuning. This way you would have an accurate before and after comparison. And you really should post the 60' times for each run so it doesn't look like you might have been babying it on the "stock" passes in order to make your product look like it gained more than it did.

X2 on that. I get tired of shops taking every effort to make there parts look good. This type of testing of new parts OR tunes should be done one step at a time. And only one change at a time.

I know the LS2s/LS7s slowed down a bunch in hot weather, computer related.

X2 on that. I get tired of shops taking every effort to make there parts look good. This type of testing of new parts OR tunes should be done one step at a time. And only one change at a time.

I guess they kind of did to one change at a time...the tune being the first. I think they're also advertizing the tune work not just the CAI...but I agree I'd like to see some numbers with just the CAI.

If these are not 12 second cars I am not wasting my money. These numbers are piss poor and ridiculous.

W

^^^^ Those numbers arnt bad at all, hell they run the same as our LS1s...WHICH is great by the way, and they have much more potential and I feel alot more will come out of these engines.

I dont understand why everyones so obsessed with the unexpected performance, meaning it isnt doing much better than the MIGHTY LS1s. This car is top notch regards to Style, interior and straight Sex Appeal. Im just stoked its BACK, and its badder than ever IMO. Once this car gets broken in, im sure most of you Power Junkies will come to your senses.

If these are not 12 second cars I am not wasting my money. These numbers are piss poor and ridiculous.

W

no offense man but it would lay the smack on any of the cars in your sig

Here is one video I took of it. Sorry the wife stopped the video before I called out the numbers. She took this with my digital camera. It's not very good, but it is something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O7zYy9zGmM

Here is the 13.17 pass. Again, the quality is bad, but at least you have a very close up of it launching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW93JcoL_VQ

Anybody saying car needs a "better" driver. I like to remind yall he does race the fastest Lsx powered car in the world.... I some how think he can handle a 13 sec car down the 1320...He has nothing to gain by making it seem slower. JMO

Wormboy is about 80lbs soaking wet (lol) Josh is a fucking tank, easily 150lbs over wormboy. I don't see how Josh driving would make it faster....Just his the extra 100lbs-180lbs of added weight would be an obstacle in trying to lower the E.T's

On a side note trap speed of 110 is not too bad.

Let's see some 60s. That's just as important as the ET in my eyes.


To the fellow above me. It's funny you mention weight of the driver, because my little brother 60s worse than me, but always snags an extra mph. That weight matters.

These cars make decent power. They trap higher then most ls1's did. But you have to remember they are 3800-3900 lbs and have IRS. Add that to the stock tires and nothing you do is going to net you an impressive launch. 2.2-2.4 seems the "norm" so far.

Once the modding begins (and perhaps a little diet) these cars are going to shine. My biggest problem is the pricetag. If I'm going to spend 38K+ on a car then it's gonna be on a C6 Corvette which is a much lighter car and much better looking (IMO).

Anybody saying car needs a "better" driver. I like to remind yall he does race the fastest Lsx powered car in the world.... I some how think he can handle a 13 sec car down the 1320...He has nothing to gain by making it seem slower. JMO

Wormboy is about 80lbs soaking wet (lol) Josh is a fucking tank, easily 150lbs over wormboy. I don't see how Josh driving would make it faster....Just his the extra 100lbs-180lbs of added weight would be an obstacle in trying to lower the E.T's

On a side note trap speed of 110 is not too bad.

your wrong.... josh did drive it and got a better 60ft time...and steven's worlds fastest lsx car that your riminding us of is not a standard...Im not saying he cant handle a 13second car im saying i was at the track and he could of launched it a lot better..2.2 60ft time is not acceptable...he ran 2 111mph passes that i saw one 13.1 and the other one was somewhere in the 13's...saying that explains 111mph pass shouldnt be a 13sec pass the launched hurt the 1/4 time..should have been a 12 second pass @ that speed

Ill keep what I got...Numbers arent bad but a big dissapointment imo.

The DA hung between 1900 and 2100 ft. Friday. Not the best conditions, there was a good tail wind though. It was great to see it run.

Corrected times for the Stock 13.46 is 13.16 and the tuned/CAI 13.09 is 12.8.

damn my bolt on 281ci runs that.......for alot less. btw my 60ft's were 2.0 so i would assume those would be similar

Nice car but those numbers aren't that great. I was expecting 12's stock without much trouble but those are LS1 times. Actually my 02 had a better ET whan it was stock.

Did any of you watch the 2 video's I posted above of that car making his pass?

The 13.17 pass shows some tire spin on the launch.

the 20 inch wheels are killing it. I wonder how mucgh that tire/wheel combo weighs? I don't see many stock LS1's trapping 109-110mph stock. There's alot of give and take with the new camaro. More hp cool looks..downside more weight/less traction. Wait til some puts a good set of slicks/skinnies. pulls out the bs weight and adds some gears in the rear...see what happens then in 0 DA.

These cars make decent power. They trap higher then most ls1's did. But you have to remember they are 3800-3900 lbs and have IRS. Add that to the stock tires and nothing you do is going to net you an impressive launch. 2.2-2.4 seems the "norm" so far.

Once the modding begins (and perhaps a little diet) these cars are going to shine. My biggest problem is the pricetag. If I'm going to spend 38K+ on a car then it's gonna be on a C6 Corvette which is a much lighter car and much better looking (IMO).

Don't have to spend 38k+ on one...

Don't have to spend 38k+ on one...

That's what people are reporting that they paid. I'm sure the price will go down a little once the newness wears off. But they are still over priced IMO.

Well, nice effort GM! but at $38k+ I'm afraid it's story would end very similar to Titanic's.:(

That's what people are reporting that they paid. I'm sure the price will go down a little once the newness wears off. But they are still over priced IMO.

Considering I can go build one on Chevy's site for around 33k with the sunroof and RS package I'd say they're overpaying or paying extra for the other expensive wheels or getting the 2SS for the leather and stuff (which honestly leather isn't that big a deal to me).

If the 1SS could have the 4 gauge pod it would be perfect, but no biggie I suppose.

Considering I can go build one on Chevy's site for around 33k with the sunroof and RS package I'd say they're overpaying or paying extra for the other expensive wheels or getting the 2SS for the leather and stuff (which honestly leather isn't that big a deal to me).

If the 1SS could have the 4 gauge pod it would be perfect, but no biggie I suppose.

The sell the 4 gauge pod seperatly. Im pretty sure within a year there will be a write up on how to install it.

I don't care about ET's, I didn't expect it to be quicker than the 4th gens. But a little over 1mph trap speed with a CAI and tune is not impressive. A better mod would be getting rid of the SUV wheels and tires.

Considering I can go build one on Chevy's site for around 33k with the sunroof and RS package I'd say they're overpaying or paying extra for the other expensive wheels or getting the 2SS for the leather and stuff (which honestly leather isn't that big a deal to me).

If the 1SS could have the 4 gauge pod it would be perfect, but no biggie I suppose.

I was talking about the 2SS with all the trimmings which seems to be what a lot of people are buying. The problem here is that there is no 25K Z28 option. And even at 33K I'd rather have a slightly used low mileage C6 Corvette.

Definitely can't wait to see the drag radial times. I agree that full bolt-on and tires will be DEEP 12's easy.

Definitely can't wait to see the drag radial times. I agree that full bolt-on and tires will be DEEP 12's easy.

You're right on the easy part, I'm thinking 11's with full bolts on's won't be uncommon.

Just a reminder, humid weather makes cars seem shit slow. Not so much the heat, but when it's HUMID it really kills performance.

My area is 90% cool weather so I can bet that those times would me mid twelves in my area. Also don't forget a MAGAZINE ran 12.9 @ 113 stock.

WormBoy, please go to the track on a nice cool day (if you ever have those in Texas)for some good results.

I love how most people ignored the fact it was hot and humid that day. I hate BREATHING on humid days, let alone race a car.

Dan

Just a reminder, humid weather makes cars seem shit slow. Not so much the heat, but when it's HUMID it really kills performance.

My area is 90% cool weather so I can bet that those times would me mid twelves in my area. Also don't forget a MAGAZINE ran 12.9 @ 113 stock.

WormBoy, please go to the track on a nice cool day (if you ever have those in Texas)for some good results.

I love how most people ignored the fact it was hot and humid that day. I hate BREATHING on humid days, let alone race a car.

Dan

I think the biggest problem is lack of change between tuned and untuned especially with a cold air kit as well. I added a lid and a hypertech tune to my 98 SS and gained 3 or 4 mph nad 1/2 sec.

Apparently these cars aren't as choked down as the older ones.

www.wunderground.com (http://www.wunderground.com) is a great site for accurate weather temps.
http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_da.htm for DA calculations

Depending on what time of the day you ran it was average 81 degrees with 60-70% humidity at your track which has an elevation of 34 feet above sea level. That puts the approximate DA at 1914 feet. The LS2 and LS3 ECM's have very aggressive timing reduction based on IAT. On my TB SS it's reduced as much as 8 degrees at some temps, so I would imagine the Camaro is similar. This makes a noticeable difference in performance between hot and cooler weather.

FWIW - My TA ran 13.2 @ 105mph bone stock and 13.4x in hot weather.

Congrats on the great results! I think the numbers are pretty good considering the fact your launching on a 20inch wheel with street tires,IRS and 300-400 lbs heavier then an F-Body.


The way I look at it is if you put 300-400 lbs and IRS with 20 inch wheels on an F-Body what kinda results do you think you would see? Keep up the good work guys!

Suprised no one is talking about putting a solid axle in one yet as much as I thought I would. They are respectable #'s, wait for the cold weather to start coming back and they will starting seeing 12's day in and out most likely. Running at 85* outside isn't exactly optimal conditons. Even the guys who ran 12's with stock 4th Gens wouldn't have a chance at sub 13's with that kind of weather and the DA to boot...

One of the g8gxp's ran 12.81 at 109 bone stock. It was an A6 and it was cooler then the conditions this car ran under. Same basic ls3 with 415hp, the M6's gxp's haven't run that fast yet, the autos just seem to 60' better. My g8 ran 13.57 with just an Cai and mufflers, but, my top speeds weren't even close to those which tells me the car just doesn't 60' that well. Mine were 2.05's to 2.08 60' times. Was this car a stick or auto?

Another neat thing about modding the 5th Gen is that if you put an aftermarket exhaust on, not only will you get horsepower but I the stock exhaust weighs 82 POUNDS! You get +HP and weight reduction! :D

Dan

imo those times are GAY my stock 98 b4c 3.23 gears with 150k miles paper filter and a true street tire 104 degrees out all stock with a 2.2 60 ft went 13.27 at 104.9 if it sounds like im mad its because im not even slightly impressed with these number the cars a 2010 for god sake those 13.50's at 108 was impressive in late 1996 when the ls1 corvette debuted not impressive at all in 2010

my buddies 02 ws6 trans am went 13.00 at 108 with a k and n air filter no lid

imo those times are GAY my stock 98 b4c 3.23 gears with 150k miles paper filter and a true street tire 104 degrees out all stock with a 2.2 60 ft went 13.27 at 104.9 if it sounds like im mad its because im not even slightly impressed with these number the cars a 2010 for god sake those 13.50's at 108 was impressive in late 1996 when the ls1 corvette debuted not impressive at all in 2010

The car weighs 3900 lbs, has IRS and sports 20" street tires. What were you expecting?

Is it just me or does it strike anyone else as a tad rude to start a thread like this and then never return to answer questions or even be part of the discussion they started? In post #2 I asked if this was an auto or manual and I still don't have an answer. I'm assuming it's a manual but it would be nice if wormboy chimed back in to confirm.

i was really hoping that the new camaro would be a clear cut 12 second car--- just to put everyone back in their place just like they did with the lt1, and then the ls1. mind you some people are getting some rather impressive trap speeds out of them--- no stock ls1 has ever hit 111 mph. when shitty mags like MT get a 13 flat out of it you know there is some speed in this car. i think with nothing more than a set of mickey thompson drag radials it would be a mid 12 sec car. looking forward to hearing more, because my 02 ws6 is creeping up on 25,000 miles and needs to be parked soon.

you know im sorry but the camaro jsut seems like another pig now. The numbers its putting down thus far arent great, the times are REALLY disappointing. Why would you want to spend 35k on a low 13 second car? I'd pick up a 370Z before I would the camaro at this point. 5k more and you can have a C6 LS3 vette and be a lot lighter a lot faster and still be able to do drag raing AND auto x

you know im sorry but the camaro jsut seems like another pig now. The numbers its putting down thus far arent great, the times are REALLY disappointing. Why would you want to spend 35k on a low 13 second car? I'd pick up a 370Z before I would the camaro at this point. 5k more and you can have a C6 LS3 vette and be a lot lighter a lot faster and still be able to do drag raing AND auto x

well hey now dont get retarded.

You guys have to remember this car weighed over 4000lbs with ME in it and the DA was around 2k. This car WILL run 12.7's all day long in better weather. Here is a copy and paste from another thread for those of you that wanted to see what the CAI will do by itself without a tune...

We finally installed our first prduction Cold Air Induction System on a 2010 Camaro SS! This is the same car that baselined 356rwhp two days ago. He came back on friday to install our first cold air induction system. Here is the dyno graph....

First run was bone stock
Second run was LMR Cold Air Induction ONLY
Third run was LMR CAI and TUNE

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg56/Latemodelracecraft/2010Camaro035.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg56/Latemodelracecraft/2010ProductionColdAirGraph.jpg


We got almost the exact same results as our prototype. All test runs were made under the same temperature conditions. Who knows what this thing would make if we let it sit over night and cool off.
If anyone has any questions or would like to place an order, please feel free to shoot me an email at steven@latemodelracecraft.com or just give me a call at the shop.!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7c390BgIE4



The CAI is going to retail for $399.99. The first fifty orders will get a $50 discount. To get on the list you will have to put down a deposit to hold your spot in line. I think I have 22 already pre ordered. Just give me a call at the shop so I can recieve all your information. Thanks.

The car weighs 3900 lbs, has IRS and sports 20" street tires. What were you expecting?

Is it just me or does it strike anyone else as a tad rude to start a thread like this and then never return to answer questions or even be part of the discussion they started? In post #2 I asked if this was an auto or manual and I still don't have an answer. I'm assuming it's a manual but it would be nice if wormboy chimed back in to confirm.

It was a manual car...they need to understand this car was in bad weather and had less than 100 miles on it....this friday Teambaddass and LMR will post up a 12 second pass for you guys in shit weather with just a Late Model Racecraft Cold air kit and there tune...That i can promise...If there open that is

you know im sorry but the camaro jsut seems like another pig now. The numbers its putting down thus far arent great, the times are REALLY disappointing. Why would you want to spend 35k on a low 13 second car? I'd pick up a 370Z before I would the camaro at this point. 5k more and you can have a C6 LS3 vette and be a lot lighter a lot faster and still be able to do drag raing AND auto x

You realize that the 370Z is a) about the same price as a 1ss b) pulls a slower trap speed than the 1ss and c) the camaro lapped the the ring faster than the 350Z. Let's face it the 370Z isn't a much better performer than the 350Z (13.7@104 vs. 13.4@107 [C&D]).

Like the original poster has said, it was crap weather and the car hadn't even been broken in yet.

Edit: On a side note the best time C&D got with a LS2 Vette was a 12.6@114. The fat LS3 Camaro is matching the trap speed of that 3280lb car.

That car is a pig. 426 horses gets you 13.0's. I think I will keep my LS1. Those SS cars are expensive and imo look ugly. Hopefully the Z28 lives up to its name.

Like the original poster has said, it was crap weather and the car hadn't even been broken in yet.

Like I posted on page 1; it was 78 degrees on his 13.12 pass. I do not think that qualifies as crap weather. Yes it was humid; it's always humid in Houston.

The fact remains that this car is a mid to low 13 second car for Joe average buyer, which is not that impressive.

Don't all the Texas guys & gals have the fastest cars & the best tracks???? Seems to be what I have read over the years.

Some of you guys are being a bit dramatic. Look at the whole picture here. Hell, we dont even know the whole picture. We werent there and werent driving. Lots of factors could of(and did play) a role in you guys wetting your panties. A tenth or two getting chopped off here and there due to different variables is what youre bitching about. The people bitching is what makes the internet suck. You have an impressive STOCK and HEAVY car with IRS in extreme Texas HEAT and HUMIDITY plus all kinds of other shit we are NOT SURE ABOUT. Now you want to go trash the car before it gets off the ground and really gets a chance to get abused. You people must be ford and toyota fanboys. After all, you are taking the thing weve been waiting for and trying to choke the life out of it before it gets a chance to take its first breath. Ill chose to hold my final opinion till more results are in. I am impressed with this car so far though. I just hope the BS being spewed here doesnt spread to the rest of the mindless lemmings trying to decipher the intrawebs.

:engarde:

fuck everyone!

The fact remains that this car is a mid to low 13 second car for Joe average buyer, which is not that impressive.

So you really think that Motor Trend and Car and Driver for ONCE in their careers maxed out a car's 1/4 mile times? This one guy's results in Texas notwithstanding, let's see what other magazine's come up with over the next couple of month's before we write off a car that no one has even broken in yet.

So you really think that Motor Trend and Car and Driver for ONCE in their careers maxed out a car's 1/4 mile times? This one guy's results in Texas notwithstanding, let's see what other magazine's come up with over the next couple of month's before we write off a car that no one has even broken in yet.

He never said it was maxed out. I took the "Joe average buyer" part as meaning these will be average times. And in order to get average times you have some faster and some slower.

I'm sure there will be high 12's stock out of these cars in good air and with great M6 drivers. And I'm also sure bolt ons with weight reduction will produce some great ET's.

But that won't change the fact that when I go to the track I probably won't see better then aveage stock LS1 times which is around mid 13's.

He never said it was maxed out. I took the "Joe average buyer" part as meaning these will be average times. And in order to get average times you have some faster and some slower.

I'm sure there will be high 12's stock out of these cars in good air and with great M6 drivers. And I'm also sure bolt ons with weight reduction will produce some great ET's.

But that won't change the fact that when I go to the track I probably won't see better then aveage stock LS1 times which is around mid 13's.

Basically he is saying that very few people will get into the 12's. I have to disagree considering the OP got a 13.1 in Texas humidity. I think in cooler weather the average joe will most likely break high 12's and a driver mod should push it into mid 12's if you get the thing out of 100% humidity areas.

No one has been proven right or wrong considering the car mags that really track test automobiles haven't tested it yet (Hot Rod didn't go to a track they just plugged up a pc). We're all basing that the car is slow on magazines that RARELY got into mid 13's with the 345 HP optioned out LS1 SS's. The Z28 models usually tested in the 14's.......14's guys, I'm telling you these magazine's that get first dibs only get them to put miles on them for the real tester's.

Are you serious? The car ran 13.56 bone stock. Your saying that in cooler weather the car is gonna pick up 6 tenths of a second? That's what it would take to put a bone stock 2010 into the 12's. It went 13.08 after they did mods between rounds; it was not bone stock anymore.

Deep 12's? LOL. Only if they do mods that will void the warranty. Most people will not go there...and they will have a mid to low 13 second car.

The magazine's pulled 13 flat, trapped 111. I don't know what went wrong on his stock run, but it should have been a lot faster than that. That's actually the slowest time posted for the new Camaro. Starting to wonder if it was a V8 at all.

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http://www.motorator.com/videos/730

Basically he is saying that very few people will get into the 12's. I have to disagree considering the OP got a 13.1 in Texas humidity. I think in cooler weather the average joe will most likely break high 12's and a driver mod should push it into mid 12's if you get the thing out of 100% humidity areas.

I disagree. Great drivers will get 12's but average joes will be 13's all day. The biggest problem these cars have is thier difficulty to launch. IRS + 20" street tires = sucky 60's. Good weather while making the traps better will also make hooking even harder.

I'm not saying some people won't be in the 12's. But most will be in the 13's. I doubt mid 12's will happen until drag radials are put on.

When the car ran the faster time the weather was significantly cooler, the DA was a lot different. I think the DA in Houston was over 2500 that day..That should give you a clue. And yes that can slow a n/a car .3-.4 easy.

The car's T/M is really killing the car out of the hole, it has the power to go the et, if some of the haters had half a brain they'd realize its a high 12 car from factory.

Like I posted on page 1; it was 78 degrees on his 13.12 pass. I do not think that qualifies as crap weather. Yes it was humid; it's always humid in Houston.

The fact remains that this car is a mid to low 13 second car for Joe average buyer, which is not that impressive.

Texas has a 9-10 month summer. Its always hot/humid, cars are gonna run in this hot wheather 80% of the time.

It ran that 13.1 e.t with a fan cooling it OFF in between runs WITH a CAI and TUNE and Steven driving....

So as the car sat that night its BEST time was only a 13.1 with cool downs in-between runs...Now for those 2-3 months of cold that we do get, it should see a few tenths due to the colder weather. But by then I am positive it will have alot more done to it then a CAI and a dyno tune...:secret2:

Hopefully someone else will show up with a another 2010 Camaro tonight. I'll be there with video ready. We also will do some laps in our 97' tonight too.

I really don't understand why everyone is bitching about this car being slow and the times it is running. I mean honestly, it has 100 miles on it, it was raced in heat and humid weather and with 20" wheels. Come on give it a break

Well my brother's friend's sister's uncle's niece's nephew's mother's father's sister had a stock pinto with an aftermarket oil pan that went 8.90's in the 1320' so this car ain't shit!!!!

I've just been reading the mag's for about 13 years now and they have consistently been about .3 -.4 off of EVERY car I've seen run at Clay City. There's also none at this point that have been broken in, so there not quite up to snuff.

Lots of haters for this car. Most coming from 4th gens. Stop hating on this car people, GM gave us a pretty bad ass camaro with lots of potential! Cooler weather, light weight wheels and sticky tires will get this well into the 12's! Gees, you would think this is a Ford site the way the 5th gens are being bashed.

NOT TO MENTION NON HAS BEEN BROKEN IN YET!

I wish I could afford a 2SS now!

ive heard of faster stock cars already. i havent seen them but i have read about them, my m6 02 ss was running 13.5 at 108 mph stock. this car should be a lot faster.

thats pretty fast on street tires and coming in at 4K pounds... I haven't seen a SRT-8 challenger at the track get out of the 13's yet!!

What in the hell is wrong with people. So this is a slow time...so what. Some mags ran 13.8 with the ls1 cars at 103mph.

Why is it that when a new car comes out it is automatically compared with the absolute best times ever achieved by the previous model?

13.0 at 111 has been achieved by a couple different sources. That is a good 3-4 mph over the highest traps EVER recorded in stock ls1 cars. So basically this thing nearly matches the best ET ever recorded for a stock 4th gen while using 20 inch wheels and smokes its trap speed right out of the gate in a magazine test and this isnt good enough?

Now give the new camaro some time to break in, some differing conditions, and some drivers who can make the 20's hook and mid 12's will happen stock I guarantee it. And The same goes for the trap...I doubt 111 is the fastest they will go stock. 113-114 wouldnt surprise me either.

but let me guess...this still isnt good enough

and yeah it will still be a 13 second car to the average driver...you know why? let me think hmmm...maybe because it isnt easy to launch a vehicle with over 400 horsepower and then perfectly powershift it down the track at just the right rpm on just the right day with just the right conditions blah blah blah.

Have you ever seen average drivers race vipers, ferraris whatever you name it, guess what they run with them most of the time.... 13's and even 14's. That will never change.

A shitty driver could maybe even do a little better with a 4th gen because they are easier to launch. But this doesnt change the fact that the 5th gen is the faster car

What in the hell is wrong with people. So this is a slow time...so what. Some mags ran 13.8 with the ls1 cars at 103mph.

Why is it that when a new car comes out it is automatically compared with the absolute best times ever achieved by the previous model?

13.0 at 111 has been achieved by a couple different sources. That is a good 3-4 mph over the highest traps EVER recorded in stock ls1 cars. So basically this thing nearly matches the best ET ever recorded for a stock 4th gen while using 20 inch wheels and smokes its trap speed right out of the gate in a magazine test and this isnt good enough?

Now give the new camaro some time to break in, some differing conditions, and some drivers who can make the 20's hook and mid 12's will happen stock I guarantee it. And The same goes for the trap...I doubt 111 is the fastest they will go stock. 113-114 wouldnt surprise me either.

but let me guess...this still isnt good enough

and yeah it will still be a 13 second car to the average driver...you know why? let me think hmmm...maybe because it isnt easy to launch a vehicle with over 400 horsepower and then perfectly powershift it down the track at just the right rpm on just the right day with just the right conditions blah blah blah.

Have you ever seen average drivers race vipers, ferraris whatever you name it, guess what they run with them most of the time.... 13's and even 14's. That will never change.

A shitty driver could maybe even do a little better with a 4th gen because they are easier to launch. But this doesnt change the fact that the 5th gen is the faster car

+100 points for a logical explanation
finally!:nod:

well i ran a 12.50 pass tonite @ HRP with LMR's cai and tune...will post the vid tomorrow....

+100 points for a logical explanation
finally!:nod:

Yup!!!!!

well i ran a 12.50 pass tonite @ HRP with LMR's cai and tune...will post the vid tomorrow....

Congrats. I new it was only a matter of time. A well driven stock camaro will be 12's all day.

well i ran a 12.50 pass tonite @ HRP with LMR's cai and tune...will post the vid tomorrow....



nice.

well i ran a 12.50 pass tonite @ HRP with LMR's cai and tune...will post the vid tomorrow....

Congratulations! I was convinced after seeing worm boy thrash his 2010 after some 8 passes that what he showed us was about as good as it was gonna get. I’m corrected and sorry I was so negative about the times in this thread.

This video sucks, but one of my boys had the video camera, so I was relegated to the digital camera again. What's worse is that I was sitting in the stands because my feet were tired and I did not see anything spectacular in the line coming up. When I saw this car in the tunnel I did not have time to get down the stands and get close. Any way here is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGQX5GmIy5Q

Why is it that when a new car comes out it is automatically compared with the absolute best times ever achieved by the previous model?

Because that's the nature of the beast.

13.0 at 111 has been achieved by a couple different sources. That is a good 3-4 mph over the highest traps EVER recorded in stock ls1 cars. So basically this thing nearly matches the best ET ever recorded for a stock 4th gen while using 20 inch wheels and smokes its trap speed right out of the gate in a magazine test and this isnt good enough?

The car is ok. I wanted to see this car blow away the ls1 but instead it's a drivers race for ET. The trap speed is impressive though for such a heavy car. Imagine if GM had made this car weigh 3500 lbs and not given it an IRS :drool:

Now give the new camaro some time to break in, some differing conditions, and some drivers who can make the 20's hook and mid 12's will happen stock I guarantee it. And The same goes for the trap...I doubt 111 is the fastest they will go stock. 113-114 wouldnt surprise me either.

I don't know about mid 12's 100% stock. A 2.1 60' in this car will be an accomplishment in itself. But with just sticky tires these cars are mid 12's all day long.

but let me guess...this still isnt good enough

It's more then good enough for nice fast street car. Not sure I would pick it for a guy like me with a serious addiction to quarter mile drag racing.

and yeah it will still be a 13 second car to the average driver...you know why? let me think hmmm...maybe because it isnt easy to launch a vehicle with over 400 horsepower and then perfectly powershift it down the track at just the right rpm on just the right day with just the right conditions blah blah blah.

Don't forget the 20" street tires and IRS. I'm curious to see what the autos can do with just a halfway decent launch which right now seems to be a 2.2 60'.

Have you ever seen average drivers race vipers, ferraris whatever you name it, guess what they run with them most of the time.... 13's and even 14's. That will never change.

No vipers or ferraris but I have seen a lot of C6 Z06's running 12's, 03/04 Cobras running 13's and LS1's running high 13's/low 14's. I'm with you on this one. Bad drivers or in some cases a bad setup (IRS + street tires for example) make fast cars look slow.

A shitty driver could maybe even do a little better with a 4th gen because they are easier to launch. But this doesnt change the fact that the 5th gen is the faster car

Definately. The trap speeds and dyno results prove the new Camaro is faster then the ls1 fbody. I just wish the new camaro was an fbody. Then we'd be talking about how they already hit mid 12's and discussing the potential for low 12's :D

here's my shit vid too with time slip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2xB90FLGXk

here's my shit vid too with time slip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2xB90FLGXk

Nice job!

come on Guys This Numbers are Not Good At All.
how much 02 camaro ss could Go?
8 years later they made the car which is nearlly same performance,
its not Good
why they didnt made faster camaro?
:-(
8 years of waiting for 13 sec car?

Gm is SUCKS after what they did to pontiac and stop production line for that brand we will miss Fire Birds ...who can live with out transam?
and they launched the car which is not WO0O0o0oW AT ALL.

Nice run bro, 12.58 is a damn good time.

12.58 is a nice time for those mods. Some people in this thread either like stirring the pot or are just too ignorant to realize how stupid they sound.

Some people in this thread either like stirring the pot or are just too ignorant to realize how stupid they sound.

Everyone is just expressing thier opinions. Some people think a 13 second car is fast while others think your slow until you hit 9's. Neither is wrong. Neither is stupid. Neither is ignorant.

It's the same thing here. Some people are impressed with the new camaro and some are dissappointed. Neither is wrong because neither can be right. Not when discussing personal opinions anyway.

Everyone is just expressing thier opinions. Some people think a 13 second car is fast while others think your slow until you hit 9's. Neither is wrong. Neither is stupid. Neither is ignorant.

It's the same thing here. Some people are impressed with the new camaro and some are dissappointed. Neither is wrong because neither can be right. Not when discussing personal opinions anyway.

I understand that "fast" is relative, my problem is all the bitching about a few tenths. The fact that a few mags ran low 13's with this car instead of high 12's seems to be the issue for most in this thread. For people to be bashing this car because it ran a 13.0 vs. 12.7 is ignorant and stupid. I somehow doubt GM's only objective was to build a drag car.

Most seem to forget the fact that the 5th gen is light years ahead of previous generations in almost every other way. And for those that seem to think the LS1 was a low 13 sec car need to think again. Yes it happened, but on average they were a mid 13's car, I even remember more than one mag running them in the high 13's. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, some just seem to be more logical than others :D

Most of the bashing also seems to be coming from those that weren't even old enough to wipe their own ass when LT1's were roaming the streets, let alone the almighty TPI, TBI, CFI and carbed crap from the 80's. If this car is such a dog, please take a ride in any of the above mentioned vehicles and get back to me...and that's not directed at your Darren.

here's my shit vid too with time slip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2xB90FLGXk

Lol that probably shut half the people up in this thread who were complaining about the car, nice run man

Lol that probably shut half the people up in this thread who were complaining about the car, nice run man

Our "complaint" was the car was a low to mid 13 second car stock straight from the dealer. And it seems that is still probably true. We need some guys to take the car to the track with nothing done to it and report the results.

Yeah, he ran 12.58, but his car is not bone stock - as he stated he had CAI and a tune. It was 77 degrees out side when he made that pass. It was a very impressive run. After he puts headers and exhaust on it should really fly. I look forward to seeing it lay down some low 12's with only a few things done to it.

You can't satisfy everyone. In my opinion, the car is far better than it's predecessor. Unfortunately, for alot of us on these boards, a car's worth is defined a 1/4 mile at a time. Yeah the car may not be as fast as some of us would've liked but you're getting a lot of preformance for your money.

Nice car but those numbers aren't that great. I was expecting 12's stock without much trouble but those are LS1 times. Actually my 02 had a better ET whan it was stock.

+1 how much does that package cost $500 plus for what a 1mph gain? That is a freaking joke most guys can do the ziptie mod and gain more mph then that and the cost is free. Those who say those are pretty good numbers need a reality check.

Our "complaint" was the car was a low to mid 13 second car stock straight from the dealer. And it seems that is still probably true. We need some guys to take the car to the track with nothing done to it and report the results.

Yeah, he ran 12.58, but his car is not bone stock - as he stated he had CAI and a tune. It was 77 degrees out side when he made that pass. It was a very impressive run. After he puts headers and exhaust on it should really fly. I look forward to seeing it lay down some low 12's with only a few things done to it.

+1, couldnt of said it better :chug:

True, these are peoples opinions on what is fast and what is not. Also remember that opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

+1 how much does that package cost $500 plus for what a 1mph gain? That is a freaking joke most guys can do the ziptie mod and gain more mph then that and the cost is free. Those who say those are pretty good numbers need a reality check.

I guess I need a reality check then because those aren't bad numbers for a heavy ass car that is stock other than a cold air and tune.

I have been watching this for a few days now and some of the 4th Gen owners have got to take a pill.....gheesh

We have maybe 10 runs on the Camaro on a real drag strip and the condition on only one track is kind of a known and that was a low 13 run. The computer has not really had time to adjust yet let alone engine break in has NOT happen in 100 miles. Not every person judges a vehicle on its 1/4 mile abilities only, at least I am smart enough not to, this car is so far out in front of the last Camaro in quality and handling. This car has to appeal to a MASS market not just the .0000001% of the drag racers on here, I seem to remember back when the 4th gens hit the streets alot of people called them over weight and under powered (and they were WRONG). Give this Camaro it dues and the time to prove itself BEFORE passing a condeming judgement (a closed mind is an ignorant mind). For those here who seem to think that ever passing generation of Camaro should automaticaly be quicker than the last, so in your thinking 2 or 3 generations from now will be running with TOP FUEL DRAGSTERS???

Can't wait to see some street race videos. Wonder how a basic bolt on LS1 vs 2010 SS will fare on the streets..... Gonna be funny when old dudes who spend almost 40K get spanked by old ass 4th gens.

What's worse; wait till they get their ass spanked by a mustang or, God forbid, a Challenger, Charger, G8 or a GTO. But hey, according to the poster above you 99.99% don't care.

We have maybe 10 runs on the Camaro on a real drag strip and the condition on only one track is kind of a known and that was a low 13 run. The computer has not really had time to adjust yet let alone engine break in has NOT happen in 100 miles.

Agreed.

Not every person judges a vehicle on its 1/4 mile abilities only, at least I am smart enough not to, this car is so far out in front of the last Camaro in quality and handling. This car has to appeal to a MASS market not just the .0000001% of the drag racers on here

I think you greatly underestimate how many drag racers are on ls1tech. Just look at all the sigs and see how many have a 1/4 mile or 1/8 mile time in them. Then factor in the ones who have a timeslip but don't advertise because they want to keep thier potential a secret. I bet the percentage of drag racers is closer to 40%. BUT that's here at ls1tech where the name of the game is modding and testing those mods. Not everyone who owns a LS1 is a member and or mods his/her car.

Of all the people who own an LS1 fbody I bet the number is closer to 5%. But .0000001% is IMO way too low.

Overall I'm impressed with everything except the weight and cost. Too heavy and too expensive. Again that's just my opinion.

I seem to remember back when the 4th gens hit the streets alot of people called them over weight and under powered (and they were WRONG). Give this Camaro it dues and the time to prove itself BEFORE passing a condeming judgement

Underpowered talks were partially due to GM greatly under rating the LS1 fbody. Once people started to see these cars dyno what GM said they made at the motor is when they changed thier tune. Being a solid half second quicker then the LT1 in the quarter mile didn't hurt either.

(a closed mind is an ignorant mind).

We can debate numbers and discuss opinions but lets not quote bumper stickers :lol:

For those here who seem to think that ever passing generation of Camaro should automaticaly be quicker than the last, so in your thinking 2 or 3 generations from now will be running with TOP FUEL DRAGSTERS???

I think that this new camaro might be a tad quicker. We havn't seen the best pass yet. Once the motors break then I'm sure someone like evan smith will get a 12.7 out of one on a nice cool east coast evening. And the trap speeds have shown them to be the "faster" car even if they havn't been proven quicker yet.

Personally, I think we are going to be headed backwards soon. Obama is all ready trying to pass a minimum emmission and MPG law. I think it's a matter of time before a new generation is considerably slower because of new federal guidelines. But that's when you buy the car and do a motor swap :D

I think you greatly underestimate how many drag racers are on ls1tech. Just look at all the sigs and see how many have a 1/4 mile or 1/8 mile time in them. Then factor in the ones who have a timeslip but don't advertise because they want to keep thier potential a secret. I bet the percentage of drag racers is closer to 40%. BUT that's here at ls1tech where the name of the game is modding and testing those mods. Not everyone who owns a LS1 is a member and or mods his/her car.

Of all the people who own an LS1 fbody I bet the number is closer to 5%. But .0000001% is IMO way too low.

I was setting the number to an extreme to make a point, but for the MASS market not the ls1tech market is isn't even close to 5%. My educated guess would be less than 1% of the total market (drag racers people). You have to remember there is a world outside of ls1tech.com (I know suprising huh?) and those are the people that buy the majority of the Camaros that GM builds. So how many people have sigs with quarter mile times isn't really all that important in the larger world that the car companies sell in.


Underpowered talks were partially due to GM greatly under rating the LS1 fbody. Once people started to see these cars dyno what GM said they made at the motor is when they changed thier tune. Being a solid half second quicker then the LT1 in the quarter mile didn't hurt either.



I think that this new camaro might be a tad quicker. We havn't seen the best pass yet. Once the motors break then I'm sure someone like evan smith will get a 12.7 out of one on a nice cool east coast evening. And the trap speeds have shown them to be the "faster" car even if they havn't been proven quicker yet.

Personally, I think we are going to be headed backwards soon. Obama is all ready trying to pass a minimum emmission and MPG law. I think it's a matter of time before a new generation is considerably slower because of new federal guidelines. But that's when you buy the car and do a motor swap :D

Again you missed my point, I said that past crowd wanted to talk down the new 4th Camaro (remember the 4th gen started with the LT1 not the LS1) just because a sense of jealousy or some kind of wanting to believe there car is the coolest of all time.

The overall point to be made is that the 5th gen Camaro is not the Camaro that has come before it, it is much more than a drag racer or even just a road racer. This is a car designed to appeal to the mass market not just a minumum of public. I myself take offense to the added weight of the lastest Camaro with the over weight wheels, a handling killer compared to lighter car with reduced unsprung weight. As to the price I see your point and go along with it in that I would prefer a car that can be ordered up stripped, but again the majority of the Camaro will be sold loaded up with heavy expensive crap so GM cateried to the mass market again.......smartly I might add. With the added tech in the New Camaro is it so unreasonable that the price should reflect the added value.

Here is the real point give this car a chance before condemming it as a slow POS.

With GM under the thumb of a bunch of pointy headed nut jobs in Washington I doubt cars like the Camaro are long for the US. Kind of funny considering before Obama ran for President he had a Hemi powered Chrysler 300 until the greenies shamed him into a hybrid, so it OK for Obama to deside what the American buying public should have to drive cause he has a Hybrid........NOW.

Funny stuff, I ve said it from day one, its a pig. Steven said over 4000 lbs with him in it, and he is way under normal. The track is 34 ft above sea level and the da was 2k feet.....wow, to me thats a dream come true. In my world, where the track is 2200 ft above sea level and the da is 4000-6500 ft it will take a power adder to get the thing in the 12's, and bolt ons to see the 13's probably.

I was setting the number to an extreme to make a point, but for the MASS market not the ls1tech market is isn't even close to 5%. My educated guess would be less than 1% of the total market (drag racers people). You have to remember there is a world outside of ls1tech.com (I know suprising huh?) and those are the people that buy the majority of the Camaros that GM builds. So how many people have sigs with quarter mile times isn't really all that important in the larger world that the car companies sell in.

We'll have to agree to disagree. These are fast muscle cars that many people have taken to a track at least once whether it's stock or not. 5% is not a high number IMO because that means 95% have never seen a drag strip. I stand by my estimation of 3-5%. Unfortunately there is no way to prove or disprove this.

So again, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Again you missed my point, I said that past crowd wanted to talk down the new 4th Camaro (remember the 4th gen started with the LT1 not the LS1) just because a sense of jealousy or some kind of wanting to believe there car is the coolest of all time.

I don't think anyone could have an illusion of fbodies being the coolest cars of all time. Especially with the C6 Z06 Vettes out there not to mention vipers and exotics.

There are always going to be people who want to talk smack about what they can't afford. I've heard people here talk smack about Vipers and Lambos. But there is a difference between talking smack out of jelousy and simply not liking a vehicle due to looks, performance, price, ect.

The overall point to be made is that the 5th gen Camaro is not the Camaro that has come before it, it is much more than a drag racer or even just a road racer. This is a car designed to appeal to the mass market not just a minumum of public. I myself take offense to the added weight of the lastest Camaro with the over weight wheels, a handling killer compared to lighter car with reduced unsprung weight. As to the price I see your point and go along with it in that I would prefer a car that can be ordered up stripped, but again the majority of the Camaro will be sold loaded up with heavy expensive crap so GM cateried to the mass market again.......smartly I might add. With the added tech in the New Camaro is it so unreasonable that the price should reflect the added value.

The problem with the price IMO is that it's too close to the C6 Vette. Hard to justify not spending a few grand more and getting a corvette. Even the V6's are expensive. What GM is really trying to do here is jump on the retro look bandwagon started by Ford and Dodge. I just hope it wasn't too little too late.

Besides, the success of the car does not reside in the sales of the SS. It's how well the V6 models sell that will make or break the Camaro. Hopefully they sell well and the Camaro is back to stay.


Here is the real point give this car a chance before condemming it as a slow POS.

With GM under the thumb of a bunch of pointy headed nut jobs in Washington I doubt cars like the Camaro are long for the US. Kind of funny considering before Obama ran for President he had a Hemi powered Chrysler 300 until the greenies shamed him into a hybrid, so it OK for Obama to deside what the American buying public should have to drive cause he has a Hybrid........NOW.

I'm not against the car. I just wish they had not given it IRS, made it weigh close to 4000 lbs and used 20" wheels. But I like the motor, tranny and looks. But I all ready know I'll never own one. If I'm gonna spend that kind of cash then I'm getting a slightly used c6 Vette. What a gorgeous car that is :drool:

First off, I was hoping the 5th gen would blow the doors off the 4th gen too. But you can't have everything, maybe the 6th gen will be based on a smaller chasis and GM can shed some weight. But how many stock, and I mean bone stock to the paper filter LS2s ran 12's in good weather conditions?

Now someone please show me all of the 12-second bone stcok LS1 (4th gen) timeslips that were run in at least 80-degrees and at least 80% humidity that broke into the 12's. Because I must haved missed them...back in the day the best times at my local track for LS1s were 12.8-12.9 with CAI (not stock) and that is in good, cold, dry weather. Wait until the fall when the 5th gen has this type of weather and I think we're going to start seeing much better runs.

I have been converted........

I had a chance to drive a 2010 L99 Camaro this last week. I was very skeptical of the weight of the car and the wheels. I was wrong........very wrong, GM has done an awesome job of hiding the 3900 pounds, these cars are f'ing ROCKETS! Handling is superb, the IRS will take abuse no past Camaro or Mustang (car and driver is so wrong) can even think about and keep composure. I drove a 98 Z28 when they first hits the streets (quick and fun), the 2010 will kill the LS1 car, the old car isn't even in the same zip code when it comes to performance (lifes roads are not straight and 1/4 mile at a time). If I did not have the 2 cars I currently have, I would be at the dealership ordering a SS with a M6. I may put an LS3 in my Monte Carlo after feeling the thrust that L99 delivered.

This the Camaro GM should have built 20 years ago.

This the Camaro GM should have built 20 years ago.

GM didn't have the technology to build this car 20 years ago. They were still working on optispark :lol:

I was searching for some good times for these cars since somebody I knew bought one here locally in Canada. He's claiming a mid 12 second timeslip stock on 20" street tires at 35psi.. I can't find another Camaro this fast anywhere.. so far so I just thought I'd post the timeslip on this site.. I really can't say for sure, but I'm wondering if the one on the right is the Camaro, instead of the left Lol.. I guess we'll see next time we meet at the track, which unfortunately would be sometime next year.. he's planning on forced induction though and just did this run for a baseline to compare to his future mods.

I was skeptical of the new Camaro but raced my buddies M6 a few weeks ago. We went from a 70 roll which is a very bad speed for me as I have to hit 3rd instead of 2nd, but oh well. He instantly pulled between 1 and 2 cars on me. I stopped his pull when I shifted into 4th but really couldn't gain any back. I think I was gaining slowly but hard to tell when your concentrating on the road at those speeds.

I have 341 hp 355 tq on mustang dyno and M6 with only 17k miles on the clock. Needless to say I was very impressed, much faster car than I thought and good build quality.