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fastjarred98
05-10-2009, 07:42 PM
just got an 04 zo6 car has bolt ons currently. goal power is around 550-600 on the ls6. had a procharger on an fbody before and the maintenance and reliability of the system was not ideal.. thought i might give it another shot but have been really thinking of a nice h/c setup with a 125 shot... the nitrous setup seems to be less of a headache but what are your guys experiences?? car will be more of a roll on car with a little track time here and there

TransAm2002
05-12-2009, 04:09 AM
Bottle all the way. :)

N4cer
05-12-2009, 12:23 PM
Maintenance on a Procharger setup? Yours wasn't set up right, dude. Mine is great. I'd go boost any day. Every time I romp into mine it's like a 150 shot.

TransAm2002
05-12-2009, 02:37 PM
My buddy has a heads/cam procharger car. When we race my heads/cam N20 125 shot car.......I put 6 cars on him. :)

N4cer
05-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Sounds like your buddy needs a driver mod. Or you could just have a stronger setup. I know my canned procharged c5 is way more fun than my 408 sprayed fbody, despite being a little slower.

Does your buddy have aftermarket heads or just stock truck heads? I don't see why he can't run the same time as you are since on an accurate dyno you can't be making more than 550rwhp. He should be close to 600. It's really a driver's race.

Fastbird93
05-12-2009, 03:27 PM
Boost. You don't need to refill a bottle.

MPM IV
05-12-2009, 05:21 PM
I'd spray it. You have to fill the bottle, but how hard is that? I think a H/C Z06 would make a great DD.

TransAm2002
05-12-2009, 05:58 PM
Sounds like your buddy needs a driver mod. Or you could just have a stronger setup. I know my canned procharged c5 is way more fun than my 408 sprayed fbody, despite being a little slower.

Does your buddy have aftermarket heads or just stock truck heads? I don't see why he can't run the same time as you are since on an accurate dyno you can't be making more than 550rwhp. He should be close to 600. It's really a driver's race.

Well, I have driven both cars down the track the same day. His 12.1 @ 116 mine 10.97 @ 127 the same day. He makes 588 RWHP 507 RWTQ in the winter and I make 580 RWHP and 670 RWTQ. I can drive pretty good so I would say the bottle wins, by a huge margin. Don't even look at the E.T. the MPH alone should tell you something.

fastjarred98
05-12-2009, 06:33 PM
Maintenance on a Procharger setup? Yours wasn't set up right, dude. Mine is great. I'd go boost any day. Every time I romp into mine it's like a 150 shot.

ive decided on bottle... the car was setup right...i was referring to the cooling system headaches and checking/changing oil in the blower wasnt fun....forgot to mention that it gets around 115 degrees here in the summer so fighting with the cooling system with a blower is no joy cause i HAVE to have a/c. i can drive the nitrous setup on our shitty 91 octane while on the motor and put hundred in for the bottle.... the blower id consistantly have a mix because id be paranoid with the heat of getting knock/detenation....

fastjarred98
05-12-2009, 06:40 PM
Well, I have driven both cars down the track the same day. His 12.1 @ 116 mine 10.97 @ 127 the same day. He makes 588 RWHP 507 RWTQ in the winter and I make 580 RWHP and 670 RWTQ. I can drive pretty good so I would say the bottle wins, by a huge margin. Don't even look at the E.T. the MPH alone should tell you something.

and i can say ive seen this vette run and its been able to pull some boosted cars that make a decent amount more than him....

scramblerman
05-12-2009, 07:28 PM
do both! LOL
Cheap way to go Nitrous, expensive way to go Boost. Depends how much $$$$$ you have to blow.

TransAm2002
05-12-2009, 08:04 PM
and i can say ive seen this vette run and its been able to pull some boosted cars that make a decent amount more than him....

:) Put a 100 shot on and have some fun. :)

Larry
05-13-2009, 09:33 AM
do both! LOL
Cheap way to go Nitrous, expensive way to go Boost. Depends how much $$$$$ you have to blow.Depends on how often you hit the button and how far you have to drive to fill the bottle.

N4cer
05-13-2009, 10:07 AM
Well, I have driven both cars down the track the same day. His 12.1 @ 116 mine 10.97 @ 127 the same day. He makes 588 RWHP 507 RWTQ in the winter and I make 580 RWHP and 670 RWTQ. I can drive pretty good so I would say the bottle wins, by a huge margin. Don't even look at the E.T. the MPH alone should tell you something.Don't get me wrong, I like both and don't care what you run. Heck, I just think for a fun car, a blower is great cause I can blast it 100X a day and not have to refill. But if anything happened to my Procharger and I was short on cash, I'll gladly pull it off and put my bottle on. I don't care that much, and don't think "Nitrous is for cheap power". I think it's great. But let's be realistic: look at the fastest LSx cars out there. They run boost. Not bottle.

Man, that MPH and ET both tell me his car is running worse than a bone stock car. That's all I see there. Your buddy needs to put the last 2 spark plug wires on. LOL!

CySevans
05-13-2009, 12:01 PM
Another vote for boost. Never been a fan of the bottle. I've heard too many horror stories about nitrous. Boost is more relialble these days, and the modern systems don't need to have the oil changed independently of the engine oil; they tap the oil pan.

Fastbird93
05-13-2009, 12:15 PM
Man, that MPH and ET both tell me his car is running worse than a bone stock car. That's all I see there. Your buddy needs to put the last 2 spark plug wires on. LOL!

I agree with this. That 116 trap speed is HORRIBLE for 588/507. I trapped 125 with 500/521. Something is way wrong with your buddies car.

N4cer
05-13-2009, 12:51 PM
Another vote for boost. Never been a fan of the bottle. I've heard too many horror stories about nitrous. Boost is more relialble these days, and the modern systems don't need to have the oil changed independently of the engine oil; they tap the oil pan.Actually the modern systems are self-contained. That way you don't have one oil contaminating the other. Tapping the oil pan is the old school, undesirable way.

fastjarred98
05-13-2009, 01:38 PM
Another vote for boost. Never been a fan of the bottle. I've heard too many horror stories about nitrous. Boost is more relialble these days, and the modern systems don't need to have the oil changed independently of the engine oil; they tap the oil pan.


A lot of horror stories come from people who are not running the right fuel or don't go to a reputable tuner....plenty of people blow their motorswith blowers do a search, a vette is easier to change the blower oil on but the fbodies aren't a picnic and with bottle I don't have to worry about the blower or turbo going bad

CySevans
05-13-2009, 03:34 PM
Actually the modern systems are self-contained. That way you don't have one oil contaminating the other. Tapping the oil pan is the old school, undesirable way.

I thought old school was having to change the oil in the blower, which is what the OP was complaining about.

Nevermind. I see what you're saying.

Section 3:

http://www.aacorvette.com/pdf/aa_c6_instructions.pdf

Both methods are still around (i.e. self contained or tapping engine oil).

TransAm2002
05-13-2009, 03:37 PM
I agree with this. That 116 trap speed is HORRIBLE for 588/507. I trapped 125 with 500/521. Something is way wrong with your buddies car.

Well, these were winter dyno numbers. Our Vegas heat brings his down to around 530 RWHP. Either way, I like boost and bottle applications, but for Vegas, bottle is the way to go. It is hot most of the year and doesn't effect the bottle as much as superchargers and turbos. :)

TXZ0603
05-13-2009, 04:53 PM
both..

sultan(ZR-1)KSA
05-13-2009, 07:48 PM
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david vericker
05-13-2009, 09:47 PM
I say go nitrous,but i guess that I'm a little bias though.

VINCE
05-16-2009, 10:43 AM
If you are a gearhead then go boost. If not then go nitrous. I have had both and I can say both are fast. I love hearing people complain about filling the bottle. That's easy. Try chasing down a boost leak on a twin turbo setup. In a race with both making equal power its a drivers race and most likely the nitrous car will get out first and stay out in a 40 to 160mph sprint. You wont be able to make too many back to back runs with the nitrous setup or the boosted setup. One requiring a cool down and the other probably low on bottle pressure or out of nitrous. When I had nitrous I always had a spare bottle.

This really all boils down to your finances and whats really important. If you race a lot and have doe then go boost. If you dont race very often and got doe then go boost. If you do race a lot and dont have doe then go nitrous. If you dont race a lot and dont have doe then go nitrous. Now some just like to save money regardless if they have it or not. They go nitrous. Just that simple guys.

AZNastyz06
05-21-2009, 12:27 AM
i have bottle 581 rwhp on 100 shot 514 torque~ 10.52 at 134 in the 1/4 on 1.54 60ft! I have been thinking about procharger but the bottle is great for the track and the car makes 455rwhp on nos tune so plenty for the highway!

blown4.6
05-21-2009, 09:52 AM
Going the bottle route will definitely be A LOT cheaper up front, that being said I'm a fan of boost over the bottle because you never have to fill it or turn on the bottle.

SELLSZ06
05-22-2009, 04:28 AM
I am surprised the "cost" factor hasnt been brought up, bc there is a HUGE difference!

to the OP: First: how much you want to spend? whats your final goals? if you want a more complete package, as in power all the time go with FI. A good reliable FI setup is very hard to beat. Until you factor in the cost. do a little reading on the FI section and learn up, but get ready to pay up as in thousands $$$ more.

Im VERY happy with mine, no problems now thats is all figured out. mine is a DD also.

fastjarred98
05-25-2009, 02:26 PM
I am surprised the "cost" factor hasnt been brought up, bc there is a HUGE difference!

to the OP: First: how much you want to spend? whats your final goals? if you want a more complete package, as in power all the time go with FI. A good reliable FI setup is very hard to beat. Until you factor in the cost. do a little reading on the FI section and learn up, but get ready to pay up as in thousands $$$ more.

Im VERY happy with mine, no problems now thats is all figured out. mine is a DD also.

ive done plenty of reading.... and if you really look into it an all motor with bottle setup costs close to the same as a boosted setup... 2600 for heads, ported fast, cam valvetrain it all adds up... with boosted setups you can keep the ls6 intake and go with the 317 heads..filling the bottle does add up but here in vegas there are plenty of places around the corner to fill a bottle...ive decided on bottle because its more consistant with our temperature ranges here in the desert... 40-50 degrees in winter- 115 in the summer.. plus with the forced induction setups you really have to worry about overheating out here... with the intercooler blocking air, and the blower added to the rotating assembly ive had problems with keeping my fbody cool and i want reliability... (yes i had a t stat, water wetter, and my fans tuned to be on at all times) im sure with that great california weather and elevation...a boosted car would be very happy there