Negative Trader Feedback - T.A.WS6 - traded broken shifter

So, I traded a set of my used lowering springs, for T.A.WS6's used B&M shifter. I wanted cash on top of the springs, so we agreed on $25 bucks, plus the shifter for the springs. The cash barely covered shipping on the springs.

Anyways, i get the shifter, and it felt really funny and loose. I put it in the car, thinking maybe it is like that off of the car; and it is just as bad on the car. In gear, it moves about 2-3 left and right, and down shifting, it doesn't pull out of gear without shaking it to get it to release. I put the Hurst back in just now, and everything is fine. So this shifter is indeed broken, it has WAY too much play in it.

I PMed him yesterday before i really got to drive my car much, and we agreed on him sending me $40. (I thought i could manage to fix it) But after driving it last night, I realized it was worse than i thought, and I can't fix it myself.

So i just sent him a PM a little bit ago, and told him that i do not want any money, but want my springs back, and I will ship him the shifter back. And this is the quick convo:



MOE_TAWS6: Hey man, after driving my car around yesterday, and seeing how bad the shifter really is, i can't keep it, nor fix it myself. I am going to need those springs back, and i will ship this back to you. I am getting ripped off here. I got nothing from this deal. Im sorry. the $40 you were going to send me, is not worth the springs. i can EASILY get $150 for those springs, easily. Unless you want to buy those springs from me, I can ship this back, and you can just pay me for those. let me know if you have any better ideas.

T.A.WS6: your full of crap man. im starting to think you are the one thats trying to rip me off. first u said one thing and now u said another. ur springs are no where to be 150 bucks. lol . u had them on here for a long ass time and nothing happened. be happy that im sending you 40 bucks tuesday and thats it. thats what we agreed on. laterz

MOE_TAWS6: I am full of crap? You knew this thing was messed up when you shipped it! "what you saying , i think that's the way they are, these shifters have a life time warranty. i tought it was just me feeling it that way."
How am I trying to "Rip you off", when all I am saying is I want my springs back, and you can have your wonderful shifter back. No money, just my springs, and you can have this back. It'll be cheaper than the $40 you were going to send me. If you want to act like a hard ass, fine, but a thread is going up showing everyone what just happened here. i have plenty of trader ratings, and lots of people to vouch for me.

T.A.WS6: you think i'm scared of a Forum?? really?? this is what i get for dealing with little kids. first time trading and never again. and when i told you that was because it feels different than stock, there is no rocket sciense with shifters.

MOE_TAWS6: Well i hope you learned your lesson, and never trade any broken parts again.


T.A.WS6: are you trying to make me feel guilty? grow up and stop been a kid. obviously you dnt have a word. grow some balls.

MOE_TAWS6: Look man, to settle this issue, all you need to do is ship back my springs, and I will ship back your shifter, and it's done. You think I wanted to receive a broken shifter? No. I don't care to have to deal with this situation, but i just traded you a set of springs, for nothing.

T.A.WS6: i'm not gonna argue with you anymore, i tried to solve this a fear way but u fucked everything up by posting a negative thread on me.

MOE_TAWS6: What is fair to you? You getting a set of springs for $40 and a broken shifter? And it's okay to rip people off, as long as it is "Fear" to you, right?

I don't recommend anyone doing business with this guy.

Why dont you tell the whole story instead of quoting some messages. First of all we agreed on me paying you 40 bucks, i had spent 15 on shipping plus 25 i had paypaled you first, that makes 80 dollars, you had your springs for about that much shipped. When i told you that it felt weird, i meant that it shifts hard and it feels different than stock. I told you that they have a lifetime warranty from manufature but you dnt want to help solve the situation, i also told you that freight damage could of been an option but then you said forget about it and just paypal me that and this deal is closed. and i explained you that i will do that but until tuesday cuz i dont get paid until the weekend and its a holiday wknd. You were the one that offered to the trade, not me, i would of not done it if i would of known that u were going to be this way. Grow up and men up to your word.

Why dont you tell the whole story instead of quoting some messages. First of all we agreed on me paying you 40 bucks, i had spent 15 on shipping plus 25 i had paypaled you first, that makes 80 dollars, you had your springs for about that much shipped.

Did you not read the top of my post? You paid me $25 on top of the shifter. That covered shipping costs of the springs. But forgetting that, it doesn't matter how much shipping was for the shifter, or the $40 you were going to pay me. That does not make it $80 for the springs; if anything, that would be $65 for a full set of springs.


When i told you that it felt weird, i meant that it shifts hard and it feels different than stock. I told you that they have a lifetime warranty from manufature but you dnt want to help solve the situation, i also told you that freight damage could of been an option but then you said forget about it and just paypal me that and this deal is closed. and i explained you that i will do that but until tuesday cuz i dont get paid until the weekend and its a holiday wknd. You were the one that offered to the trade, not me, i would of not done it if i would of known that u were going to be this way. Grow up and men up to your word.


Regardless, it is broken. I should not have to deal with trying to get this fixed. The warranty B&M offers is only to the original buyer, and you have to have the original receipt. And just because I offered the trade doesn't mean that i get screwed on a deal! And do not tell me to be a man of my word, I have done everything i said I was going to do, including ,making this thread in which you said, "you think i'm scared of a Forum?? really??".

How can the shifter be broken? I have a B&M in mine, and I dont really see what could be wrong with it?

It has like about 3 inches of play left and right. When the shifter is off the car, I can see at the base of it, where the stick is attached on the actual shifter, and it looks like there is suppose to be a spring on each side of it maybe? It's like a 2" rod, with the stick base attached, and on each side of where it is attached, there is nothing. i can see through the base of the shifter too. (Maybe they are made that way, To where you can see through the bottom) But i know for sure they are not made to feel like this. I will get some pics soon.

I dont think you are supposed to see through it. There are no springs either. It sounds like it is missing a bushing or worn out bushing I would say.

I just took some pics. A hurst shifter beside the B&M i traded for. (Just to compare) They will be posted in a couple minutes.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/MoE_TAWS6/Random/DSC_0026.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/MoE_TAWS6/Random/DSC_0025.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/MoE_TAWS6/Random/DSC_0033.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/MoE_TAWS6/Random/DSC_0035.jpg

Now someone please tell me if that looks normal...

that doesnt look right to me. I had a B&M and I dont remember it looking that way. I could be wrong.

Anybody else know how a B&M shifter is suppose to look?

Yeah, there is supposed to be something in the center. Does that say B&M on it? Mine doesnt look like that. Could be a different model I guess. That's messed up. No way it wasnt like that before you recieved it.

Yep. It says B&M on it. So what is there that I can do? He isn't really cooperating, and he thinks I am trying to Rip him off, when All I asked for was my springs back, and he can have his shifter back. I can't really go to paypal and file a complain or anything like that, we traded. So i feel like Im screwed.

Edit: I just sent him a PM, telling him I added pics, and that the shifter is missing a piece from the middle, maybe he'll come around.

I'll PM him. Maybe I can get somewhere with him.

I'm not sure if you can get replacment parts for them BTW.

man. that sucks. Thanks for PMing him. Hopefully I'll hear something soon.

Thats a broken shifter, which is visible like NIGHT and DAY!!!

T.A.WS6: are you trying to make me feel guilty? grow up and stop been a kid. obviously you dnt have a word. grow some balls.

I think you need to stop acting childish yourself, MOE_TAWS6 has been fully cooperative. By going out of his way communicating and being patient, while you threating him that he's trying to rip you off...

T.A.WS6: u had them on here for a long ass time and nothing happened. be happy that im sending you 40 bucks tuesday and thats it. thats what we agreed on.

You accepted the offer of trading parts, doesnt mean you did him a favor, So stop with all this BS!!!!!

We all know the type of person you are!!! Just so you know "What goes around comes around"....

Ok. so he deleted his account, and or he got banned? Im not sure. But i have his cell number, and can get his address. Is there anything I can do or am I screwed?

id say just let it go man, what comes around goes around.

or the other way around... idk lol lol

Or the other way around...? What the hell is that suppose to mean?

It really sucks what happened to you man but id suggest just taking a loss. If hes bein childish like this and deleteing his account more then likely he'll change his number too. To me its not worth puttin up with him. Tryin looking in the forsale section or post in the wanted section to see if anyone has any spare parts. Good luck to you with whatever route you take.

Or the other way around...? What the hell is that suppose to mean?

i couldn't remember how the saying goes at that time. I agree with Zach, it's a waste of time. Good luck next time!!!

so did the dude get banned. I sent money for a PnP'd throttle body and now it registers him as a guest?

so did the dude get banned. I sent money for a PnP'd throttle body and now it registers him as a guest?

Well, im not sure what happened to his old account, i think he just closed it.

I think there is a misunderstaing here, you have the wrong person.

After calling and arguing and what not, he agreed to send me money for my springs. so this issue is resolved.

I think there is a misunderstaing here, you have the wrong person.

disregard my last post, glad everything got solved!