Automotive News, Media & Press - Ferrari F430 replaced this year!!!

I cant belive the life cycle of the F430 is already up. Even more, i cant believe they may replace it with this. I heard about Ferrari's new direction, but i didnt think it would look like this. IM not a fan, but maybe it'll grow on me. Some things i like better than others. Very angular ad futuristic looking, i think it was good on paper, but executed poorly. I could do better, and i will in the future hopefully! After all, my school is funded partly be ferrari and we have an on campus ferrari design studio!

http://www.motorward.com/2009/04/new-rendering-of-ferrari-f430-replacement/

looks awesome

Looks pretty good to me. A different direction than the 360/430 but it doesn't look bad at all.

Not a huge fan, looks like a beefed up 360. Depending on the specs it may grow on me

Damn that is sexy

Hideous.

Looks like the older Gallardo and an F430 fucked and the resultant baby has down syndrome. I hope the production version looks 10x better than that abortion.

I cant belive the life cycle of the F430 is already up. Even more, i cant believe they may replace it with this. I heard about Ferrari's new direction, but i didnt think it would look like this. IM not a fan, but maybe it'll grow on me. Some things i like better than others. Very angular ad futuristic looking, i think it was good on paper, but executed poorly. I could do better, and i will in the future hopefully! After all, my school is funded partly be ferrari and we have an on campus ferrari design studio!

http://www.motorward.com/2009/04/new-rendering-of-ferrari-f430-replacement/

Debut is still months away. You have to remember the 430 is based on the 360 which came out in '99. Plus it's their bread and butter car. So a new car coming out in 2010 makes sense.

I won't judge these "renderings" 100%, but I kinda like what I see so far. And rumor says it will be a intercooled twin turbocharged V8.

Thought it was a massaged 5.0 V8 with DI.

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And rumor says it will be a intercooled twin turbocharged V8.Thought it was a massaged 5.0 V8 with DI.Judging by the talk of an F450 designation I would think that it would be some sort of NA 4.5L V8 derivation maybe.

I like it better than the design of the car it's replacing. Still nowhere as good as the lambo's and zonda's

I like the GTO and the F40/F50's.

http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2007/10/vandenbrink-to-produce-599-gto-and-new-630-gto-ferrari-based-supercars.jpg

I meant 4.5...oops.

I think it looks awesome.

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Hideous.

Looks like the older Gallardo and an F430 fucked and the resultant baby has down syndrome. I hope the production version looks 10x better than that abortion.

100% agree. It looks like a chinese Company said "Hey, we need a company like Ferrari, too!" And this is the result...


But this Maserati looks cool:
http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2007/10/vandenbrink-to-produce-599-gto-and-new-630-gto-ferrari-based-supercars.jpg
Is it coming or just a render?

100% agree. It looks like a chinese Company said "Hey, we need a company like Ferrari, too!" And this is the result...


But this Maserati looks cool:
http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2007/10/vandenbrink-to-produce-599-gto-and-new-630-gto-ferrari-based-supercars.jpg
Is it coming or just a render?

It's a render. And not a Maserati as far as I know....

Judging by the talk of an F450 designation I would think that it would be some sort of NA 4.5L V8 derivation maybe.

Nobody really knows yet. Just going by what I've read on Ferrarichat.com.

The intercooled twin turbocharged set up might be for the new super Ferrari they think now....

I like the F40



Nothing will ever top that. If you wanna see a sick car look up the F40 LM. Badass....

It's a render. And not a Maserati as far as I know....

I dunno, looks like the Maserati emblem on the front grill. :confused:

nothing will ever top that. If you wanna see a sick car look up the f40 lm. Badass....

f50 gt > *

I dunno, looks like the Maserati emblem on the front grill. :confused:

That's the designers logo....Mike Vanderbrink.

f50 gt > *

Not in my eyes, sick car....but it's no F40 LM. Different strokes for different folks.:D

badassssss

Reminds me of an Audi/Lambo. Not bad but I'd rather have the 430 Scuderia. I didn't read the article in the link but I think MT said they were dropping the F1 trans for a double clutch setup. Not a good idea IMO. They need to do something nobody else does.

Reminds me of an Audi/Lambo. Not bad but I'd rather have the 430 Scuderia. I didn't read the article in the link but I think MT said they were dropping the F1 trans for a double clutch setup. Not a good idea IMO. They need to do something nobody else does.

Like what? The F1 is an automated manual. Many companies doing that now.

I for one, would prefer a regular manual with a clutch pedal....

It's a render. And not a Maserati as far as I know....They are going to make them, but VERY limited. Can't remember exactly but it was only double digits.


Also I would like an automatic I could shift manually :P.. A combo would be sweet, do they make one? Like a manual that also has drive?

i think they are only going to be available to 430 scuderia owners...so better you better get in line. :D

That's the designers logo....Mike Vanderbrink.

Didn't know that! Kool!
:cool:

Hideous.

Looks like the older Gallardo and an F430 fucked and the resultant baby has down syndrome. I hope the production version looks 10x better than that abortion.

This is what I was thinking and one of them had an affair with the 360 so it got thrown in there just a little too, lol.

They are going to make them, but VERY limited. Can't remember exactly but it was only double digits.


Also I would like an automatic I could shift manually :P.. A combo would be sweet, do they make one? Like a manual that also has drive?

The F1 tranny in most Ferrari's has an "auto" mode.

i think they are only going to be available to 430 scuderia owners...so better you better get in line. :D

Never heard that. As far as I know the Vanderbrink car MIGHT be made, and it will be on a one by one basis. Vanderbrink's not gonna care if you have a 430 Scuderia, as long as you have money. Last I heard he was having issues getting permission from Ferrari on the look of the car.

Most do a double clutch manual not the F1 shift so the F1 shift was unique. The double clutch setup is supposed to be better around town but the F1 would be faster on a track. I'd love to test that 40ms shift time and then see if I wanted a stick and clutch again.

i heard it was the F450 also, so im guessing 4.5L V8 but its all speculation. thats a "rendering" so i dont trust it THAT much. besides, its hideous.

as for the F40/F50 debate, the F40 LM is well, insane. if youd like a clip, ignore the french F1 driver, and listen to the roar of that thing. :drool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YPabCzxMXM

and idk if anyones checked autotrader for the F40s lately but uhh, lol....$619,000 with 2,871 miles. god i wish i had the money.

100% agree. It looks like a chinese Company said "Hey, we need a company like Ferrari, too!" And this is the result...


But this Maserati looks cool:
http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2007/10/vandenbrink-to-produce-599-gto-and-new-630-gto-ferrari-based-supercars.jpg
Is it coming or just a render?


that car looks alot like a TVR or maybe even a newe alfa romeo style??? i cant tell

:headbang:

http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/f450-1.jpg

Most do a double clutch manual not the F1 shift so the F1 shift was unique. The double clutch setup is supposed to be better around town but the F1 would be faster on a track. I'd love to test that 40ms shift time and then see if I wanted a stick and clutch again.

Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Marton, Toyota and others have used a automated manual. Ferrari just calls it "F1". They both (F1/DSG) have there advantages/disadvantages. I still prefer a regular 3-pedal manual. It still offers more fun and driver involvement....

that car looks alot like a TVR or maybe even a newe alfa romeo style??? i cant tell

If you really wanna see what it's "based" on Google Ferrari 250 GTO....

:headbang:

http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/f450-1.jpg



I think theirs finally a Ferrari that I could dream about.:secret2:

Hopefully thats what it looks like.

Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Marton, Toyota and others have used a automated manual. Ferrari just calls it "F1". They both (F1/DSG) have there advantages/disadvantages. I still prefer a regular 3-pedal manual. It still offers more fun and driver involvement....

x2 :thumb:

Looks like a gallardo to me.

http://hunternuttall.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/lamborghini-gallardo.jpg

:headbang:

http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/f450-1.jpg

this is a beautiful render... this would be the first supercar i'd fall in love with... its sexy i want a model NOW mmmmmm :drool: i want to have sex with it :D THAT is the epitome of class... it looks like a sculpture or a fine painting.


for that picture in the OP... i'd be severely disappointed... :barf: it looks so unclassy, no more finesse. Just another modern car trying to look like something else....

Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Marton, Toyota and others have used a automated manual. Ferrari just calls it "F1". They both (F1/DSG) have there advantages/disadvantages. I still prefer a regular 3-pedal manual. It still offers more fun and driver involvement....

Ferrari's F1 and BMW's trannsmission (name slips right now sorry) are both based on manual transmissions, they are truly manual.Ferrar's have no auto mode you simple shift or done go right? At least the 360. The dual clutch trannys are based an automatics right?

Ferrari's F1 and BMW's trannsmission (name slips right now sorry) are both based on manual transmissions, they are truly manual.Ferrar's have no auto mode you simple shift or done go right? At least the 360. The dual clutch trannys are based an automatics right?

Ferraris F1 and BMWs DSG are similar yes, but very different in nature. Most Ferrari F1 trannies, 360 included DO have an auto mode. But it's kinda sucky. They really need to be shifted manually. A DSG is NOT based on a automatic. They are automated dual clutch manuals.

Like all ferraris its gonna have a ton of hp but a hair of torque. I aint going to lie tho it looks bad ass!!!!

Like all ferraris its gonna have a ton of hp but a hair of torque. I aint going to lie tho it looks bad ass!!!!

Umm, the F430 makes about 350 pound feet, our LS1 makes about 340. Yet it makes about 490 HP, our LS1 makes 310. And they only have 4.3 litres. So they have 1.4 litres less, they make MORE Torque, and they make about 175 more horespower, yet you say they only have a hair? Maybe it just seems like a hair compared to 500 horses but they make more torque than our 5.7's do. I know they cost a lot more, but cash has nothing to do with cold hard facts lined up next to each other LOL!!! Plus i think they MIGHT weigh less!

Umm, the F430 makes about 350 pound feet, our LS1 makes about 340. Yet it makes about 490 HP, our LS1 makes 310. And they only have 4.3 litres. So they have 1.4 litres less, they make MORE Torque, and they make about 175 more horespower, yet you say they only have a hair? Maybe it just seems like a hair compared to 500 horses but they make more torque than our 5.7's do. I know they cost a lot more, but cash has nothing to do with cold hard facts lined up next to each other LOL!!! Plus i think they MIGHT weigh less!
This could get ugly. HP/L is worthless.

Look at how the engines are being used and what the design goals were. In Europe, vehicles are taxed based on engine displacement, so naturally Ferrari wants to keep displacement as low as possible while keeping HP high to keep customers in showrooms. This means that they have to rev the shit out of the engines and don't have much to offer at lower revs. They spend a lot of time and money (yes, cash DOES matter, engineers don't work for free) to make the engine strong at high revs. Everything, the heads, cams, intake manifold, exhaust, all that is tuned until they're at or past the point of diminishing returns.

Now look at how the American 5.7L is made. It's made on a shoestring budget, compared to Ferrari, only revs to 6200rpm, is physically smaller, weighs less, and has a powerband the size of Texas. Also, look at the modding potential. The design of the LS1 leaves plenty of room to grow, whereas the Italians have prettymuch maxed out their engine. Not much to gain from your basic I/H/E bolt ons. I'd say the American engineers did just as good a job as the Italians when you consider the application, budget, and design constraints. How many people do you see dropping F430 engines into random cars? How many people do you see dropping LS1s into random cars?

This could get ugly. HP/L is worthless.

Look at how the engines are being used and what the design goals were. In Europe, vehicles are taxed based on engine displacement, so naturally Ferrari wants to keep displacement as low as possible while keeping HP high to keep customers in showrooms. This means that they have to rev the shit out of the engines and don't have much to offer at lower revs. They spend a lot of time and money (yes, cash DOES matter, engineers don't work for free) to make the engine strong at high revs. Everything, the heads, cams, intake manifold, exhaust, all that is tuned until they're at or past the point of diminishing returns.

Now look at how the American 5.7L is made. It's made on a shoestring budget, compared to Ferrari, only revs to 6200rpm, is physically smaller, weighs less, and has a powerband the size of Texas. Also, look at the modding potential. The design of the LS1 leaves plenty of room to grow, whereas the Italians have prettymuch maxed out their engine. Not much to gain from your basic I/H/E bolt ons. I'd say the American engineers did just as good a job as the Italians when you consider the application, budget, and design constraints. How many people do you see dropping F430 engines into random cars? How many people do you see dropping LS1s into random cars?

:eyes:
That is PURE favoritism right there. If your gonna compare those two power plants you got to get your facts straight and your head out of your ass in order to make a decent argument.

F50 for me plzzzz!!!!


Eye candy for the rest of yall! Greensboro NC foreign cars italia, I always stop by when we are commnig home to indy from fayetteville. This time they ahd the F40 F50 and the enzo and the 430 scuderia :D


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This could get ugly. HP/L is worthless.

Look at how the engines are being used and what the design goals were. In Europe, vehicles are taxed based on engine displacement, so naturally Ferrari wants to keep displacement as low as possible while keeping HP high to keep customers in showrooms. This means that they have to rev the shit out of the engines and don't have much to offer at lower revs. They spend a lot of time and money (yes, cash DOES matter, engineers don't work for free) to make the engine strong at high revs. Everything, the heads, cams, intake manifold, exhaust, all that is tuned until they're at or past the point of diminishing returns.

Now look at how the American 5.7L is made. It's made on a shoestring budget, compared to Ferrari, only revs to 6200rpm, is physically smaller, weighs less, and has a powerband the size of Texas. Also, look at the modding potential. The design of the LS1 leaves plenty of room to grow, whereas the Italians have prettymuch maxed out their engine. Not much to gain from your basic I/H/E bolt ons. I'd say the American engineers did just as good a job as the Italians when you consider the application, budget, and design constraints. How many people do you see dropping F430 engines into random cars? How many people do you see dropping LS1s into random cars?

Nothing you said makes it any LESS true that the Ferrari f430 makes 350 pounds of torque. And all i was saying is thats more than we have, which is plenty so i was merely pointing out that the term "a hair of torque" is an understatement.

F50 for me plzzzz!!!!


Eye candy for the rest of yall! Greensboro NC foreign cars italia, I always stop by when we are commnig home to indy from fayetteville. This time they ahd the F40 F50 and the enzo and the 430 scuderia :D....



Its true. I love stopping in there. Hell I drive by it everyday. ;)

God dont those Ferraris look sexy in black? Rare color on a car like any of those, especially the F40 (my favorite ferrari). When i buy my first ferrari, i think it will be a flat black or titanium 360. Or if i can track down a red 98 f355 gt targa

Nothing you said makes it any LESS true that the Ferrari f430 makes 350 pounds of torque. And all i was saying is thats more than we have, which is plenty so i was merely pointing out that the term "a hair of torque" is an understatement.

350 pounds of torque is not a lot and the f430 has 343 lbft (at 5250rpms no less)...
Also, the LS1 makes more than 340 lbft, it was rated at 375 in the C5 and 365 in the GTO and most of us know the f-bodies were underrated.

I think with the new F430 (possible f450) Ferrari is trying to make there car stand out more like the lamborghini to try and attract more "look at me" customers. I don't mind it, but I think I prefer the f430's look.

I do not claim these to be accurate or representational. These are simply the first graphs I found on dragtimes. So take them for what you will.

2006 Ferrari F430 Dyno Dynamometer Results Graph
http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno/11110-2006-Ferrari-F430-Dyno.jpg

2001 Trans Am
http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno/9212-2001-Pontiac-Trans-Am-Dyno.jpg


That ls1 torque curve is sexy.

That ls1 torque curve is sexy.
I agree. I wish we could see a throttle position graph to go with the Ferrari's chart. Also I wish they'd leave the scales for both HP and torque the same. It's easier to figure out what you're looking at.

I dig it. Ferrari has been getting its butt kicked, sales and public eye wise, by Lamborghini, its good they are upgrading from the 430 IMO.

I dig it. Ferrari has been getting its butt kicked, sales and public eye wise, by Lamborghini, its good they are upgrading from the 430 IMO.

Well Lambo has the gallardo which makes the company more attainable to so many buyers, the cheapest ferrari is the F430 and its near the murcielago new. What ever happened to that Dino they were supposed to be coming out with to compete in the Gallardo's price range?