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Red99TA
06-16-2009, 06:45 AM
Just thought I'd start a progress thread since this might take me a while. I officially started last night and worked on it for about an hour. I'll post more as I move along. I've got some AFR 205's, custom cam, Halltech CAI, and UD pulley going in.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/carpics001.jpg
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Some easy stuff out of the way
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/carpics005.jpg

Fans and radiator out
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/carpics006.jpg

Z06-Dave
06-16-2009, 07:13 PM
Remember, you don't have to take the rack out, just move it out of the way...The whole swap is fairly easy, just take your time and you'll have no issues. If you get stuck let us know..
Make sure that little fridge has some beer in it...

Dave

JJ 86
06-16-2009, 07:23 PM
Looks good! Should make for some nice gains when finished.

Red99TA
06-16-2009, 08:45 PM
Not much to show tonight: waterpump and alternator are out plus it's jacked up ready to pull the steering rack. And yes the giant dark spot is from letting coolant dump out everywhere.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/009.jpg
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Red99TA
06-16-2009, 08:47 PM
Remember, you don't have to take the rack out, just move it out of the way...The whole swap is fairly easy, just take your time and you'll have no issues. If you get stuck let us know..
Make sure that little fridge has some beer in it...

Dave

I was thinking I had to pull it out completely but I'll look into just moving it, and yes there's plenty of beer stocked up :chug:

03_r6
06-17-2009, 11:33 AM
makes me miss my 02 EB coupe SOOO much, if you need a hand with anything I'd be happy to help, especially since we both live in manhattan, just shoot me a p.m.

Kurtomac
06-17-2009, 12:12 PM
lookin good...what size cam did you go with? I changed out my VRX5 for a custom PatG grind also 235 243 620 623 111+3 but im using TFS 215 heads...your combo should make good power...you doin a fast also? Lets see some pics of all the shiny new parts :)

Red99TA
06-17-2009, 06:19 PM
Cam is a Patrick G grind - spec'd at 231 235 .617"/.624" 113+4 but cam doctor shows more like 232 237 .615" .619". After today I think I would rather do a cam swap on an F-bod...that steering rack sucks a fat one but at least it's out now along with the power steering stuff and swaybar.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/008.jpg
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Z06-Dave
06-17-2009, 07:57 PM
I think I would rather do a cam swap on an F-bod...that steering rack sucks a fat one but at least it's out now along with the power steering stuff and swaybar.

If you think you might do the swap again, now it the time to install a 2-piece timing cover

Kurtomac
06-17-2009, 09:59 PM
lookin good...i remember my first cam swap in my Z...thought the rack sucked big time...second time is way faster...still though...i couldn knock out a Fbody cam swap in 1/3 the time as i had that down to 4hours for cam and springs start to finish!

Spectre86
06-17-2009, 11:48 PM
looking forward for progress pics:)

Red99TA
06-18-2009, 06:49 AM
makes me miss my 02 EB coupe SOOO much, if you need a hand with anything I'd be happy to help, especially since we both live in manhattan, just shoot me a p.m.

Thanks for the offer. My little brother is in town painting our house so he gets voluntold to help me every now and then :D There won't be any progress tonight as Thursday night is when I play in a softball league each week. Will update Fri evening!

QUIKSILVERZ
06-18-2009, 06:45 PM
looks to be a nice setup.

Red99TA
06-19-2009, 08:21 PM
Thanks guys, not much to show tonight. Got the headers off the heads and pulley too along with a nice set of bloody knuckles!

milleniumvette
06-19-2009, 09:13 PM
I'll be interested in the updates, too. Sounds like a good set-up.

Red99TA
06-19-2009, 10:26 PM
Tonight's progress:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/011.jpg

Red99TA
06-20-2009, 03:28 PM
After 3 more sliced fingers (I've officially learned my lesson to keep my gloves on) - here's today's progress. Cam and heads are out. Still need to pull the oil pump to port it and then all the new stuff can go in.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/001.jpg
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Z06-Dave
06-20-2009, 05:41 PM
Make sure you get all of the coolant and dirt out of the head bolt holes, when yorur sure you did, do it once more to be sure...
Looks like all is going as planned :nod:

Larry
06-21-2009, 09:22 AM
Making some real progress! Want to come do mine next? LOL! Guess I'll keep mine stock.

In addition to what Dave mentioned be sure each cylinder is clean too before strapping on those heads.

JayplaySS2
06-21-2009, 09:35 AM
Looking good man. Be extra sure to get all the water out of the head bolt holes as mentioned above. Triple check it. I would install ARP head bolts for the hell of it.

mchdg86
06-21-2009, 03:14 PM
Looks like you are coming along nicely there. I am in the process of a H/C swap on my 00 FRC and I am sure you feel the same way when I say FUCK that steering rack lol.

Red99TA
06-21-2009, 08:29 PM
Looking good man. Be extra sure to get all the water out of the head bolt holes as mentioned above. Triple check it. I would install ARP head bolts for the hell of it.

Yeah, I've got some ARP bolts already and I'm definitely paranoid about water in the bolt holes. I've got access to free cans of pressurized electronics cleaner at work which I intend to use to blow everything I can out of the holes and may try the rolled up paper towel trick too.

I am sure you feel the same way when I say FUCK that steering rack lol.

You're god damn right about that one! :guns: guy who designed steering rack in front of pulley

Red99TA
06-22-2009, 09:07 PM
New cam is in dot to dot - will degree it tomorrow:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/016.jpg

bad_408_vert
06-22-2009, 09:40 PM
Nice, what kind of #s and times are you planing to get?

Red99TA
06-22-2009, 09:56 PM
Nice, what kind of #s and times are you planing to get?

Not sure what times I'll put down (really hoping to break into the 11's at least) but shooting for 440+ RWHP and 400+ RWTQ on the LS6 intake/TB.

mchdg86
06-22-2009, 11:34 PM
Man with your head and cam choice I would be expecting around 460rwhp and 420rwtq.

JayplaySS2
06-23-2009, 09:56 AM
Your car is gonna rock man. :D

Z06-Dave
06-23-2009, 05:06 PM
Not sure what times I'll put down (really hoping to break into the 11's at least) but shooting for 440+ RWHP and 400+ RWTQ on the LS6 intake/TB.

If you have 440 RWHP, and you can drive, you may get into the 10's. I ran a couple of 10.90's with 428RWHP.

Kurtomac
06-23-2009, 06:29 PM
sounds like CYAVETTEDAVE no?

Z06-Dave
06-23-2009, 07:08 PM
sounds like CYAVETTEDAVE no?

Yeah, I have messed up name on the Corvette forum, I'm Z06-Dave everywhere else..

How's your setup doing?

~JOSHUA
06-23-2009, 07:47 PM
Nice job!

If you haven't put the new heads on yet it would a good idea to remove the carbon built up on the piston top.

Red99TA
06-23-2009, 09:09 PM
Nice job!

If you haven't put the new heads on yet it would a good idea to remove the carbon built up on the piston top.

Thanks, I definitely plan to before bolting the heads on but I just spent 2 hours trying to degree my cam to no avail. I posted a thread in internal engine but for some reason I keep getting either 105 or 112.5 deg ICL (goal is 109) and I tried 4 different cam dowel pin bushings in my adj. cam gear :bang:

Zac_Speed
06-24-2009, 12:11 PM
Might as well throw on a double timing chain while you're at it as well... Looks good, need anyone to ride with you and shoot some race footage let me know!

Red99TA
06-24-2009, 06:12 PM
Well I finally got it after probably a combined total of 4 hrs screwing with the timing. I put in the stock cam gear dot to dot and found it to be at 112 (needs to be 109). Put the adjustable cam gear back on with one of my comp bushings and had my dial indicator on piston #1 and it moved to 105 deg ICL. Pulled the gear off and rotated the bushing upside down and it came out to 109.5 - CLOSE ENOUGH! :chug: To check it I verified I still had TDC set correctly and measured again and was still at 109.5. Below are pics of the setup. I had to make an adapter plate to get the comp base to mount to my block since it wouldn't thread into any of the holes in the block. Also didn't have a dial indicator extension so I had to mount the dial indicator as close to the lifter as possible which would only make contact with about the last 0.200" of lift but all you really need is max lift +/- about 0.100" lift so it worked out. Now on to cleaning block and pistons.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/001-1.jpg
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Z06-Dave
06-24-2009, 06:46 PM
I'm not sure I'd mess with the timing...Dot to dot with the keyway lined up correctly is the way to go.
It's your car, but if your dyno readings are way low, you will have to pull it apart. Of course, on the plus side, they might skyrocket now too! Lets hope they do...

Now clean off those pistons and lets see some heads!

BTW are you going to check PV clearance? Just in case?

Red99TA
06-24-2009, 08:48 PM
More progress...thought I'd put up a before and after of the deck/piston cleaning:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/004-1.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/005.jpg

Red99TA
06-24-2009, 08:51 PM
I'm not sure I'd mess with the timing...Dot to dot with the keyway lined up correctly is the way to go.
It's your car, but if your dyno readings are way low, you will have to pull it apart. Of course, on the plus side, they might skyrocket now too! Lets hope they do...

Now clean off those pistons and lets see some heads!

BTW are you going to check PV clearance? Just in case?

I degreed the cam to ensure I'm getting the max potential out of it. Like I said I found it to be 112 deg ICL when installed dot to dot which wasn't optimum for that cam...supposed to be 109 ICL. This just proves that cams aren't always ground as spec'd out and it's always a good idea to degree a cam to ensure it's installed on the right ICL.

I'm definitely going to check PTV clearance as I expect to need to flycut on the intake side at least 0.020"-0.030" so I want to know what it is prior to cutting.

GMmuscle86
06-24-2009, 09:13 PM
Very nice Red99TA!
Do you know where I can find the decals on your center caps on your wheels? I can find the standard Corvette flags wheel decal but not the double checkered flag ones.

Z06-Dave
06-24-2009, 09:34 PM
WOW, you cleaned up the block nice :nod:

Red99TA
06-24-2009, 10:47 PM
Very nice Red99TA!
Do you know where I can find the decals on your center caps on your wheels? I can find the standard Corvette flags wheel decal but not the double checkered flag ones.

Thanks, are you looking for these? My stockers had this embossed and painted red but the chromed ones are just chromed over so it's harder to see...not sure where to get the C5 decals.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/prear4-1.jpg

collier341
06-25-2009, 08:50 AM
looking real nice OP.. what'd you use to clean up the block and pistons so nice?

Red99TA
06-25-2009, 09:59 AM
looking real nice OP.. what'd you use to clean up the block and pistons so nice?

Thanks,
Actually used a razor blade being VERY slow and gentle to not screw up the aluminum. After that I smoothed the stuff that wouldn't come off with some 800 grit sandpaper.

QUIKSILVERZ
06-25-2009, 01:28 PM
nice write up. looking forward to your results. i am thinking about getting pat g to spec me out a cam.

Red99TA
06-25-2009, 10:56 PM
Tonight's update: In the middle of checking PTV - can I use my new cometics and not damage the gasket before bolting the heads down for good? I also got the oil pump ported tonight.

callys
06-26-2009, 11:57 AM
When I check PTV clearance I get one extra gasket from the dealer or kragens and swap it side-to-side

Do you have the arp head bolts? When I did it I didn't torque the heads, as the stock bolts are stretch-to-fit....just snugged them

Also, Ive been using a melling ls1 oil pump for 10k miles now....is there a write-up or proven process behind porting the ls6 pump? I don't think I have as much oil pressure with the melling as the stock ls6, but its still more oil pressure than any other engine Ive ever built

Red99TA
06-26-2009, 01:08 PM
When I check PTV clearance I get one extra gasket from the dealer or kragens and swap it side-to-side

Do you have the arp head bolts? When I did it I didn't torque the heads, as the stock bolts are stretch-to-fit....just snugged them

Also, Ive been using a melling ls1 oil pump for 10k miles now....is there a write-up or proven process behind porting the ls6 pump? I don't think I have as much oil pressure with the melling as the stock ls6, but its still more oil pressure than any other engine Ive ever built

I don't have an extra cometic head gasket nor do I want one since they're so expensive. I've got my old ones that I pulled out along with some new GM MLS ones too but haven't opened those. I do have ARP head bolts as well but am using the stockers for checking PTV and taking them to about 50 ft-lbs. As for the pump there are a couple writeups floating around and I can't speak for measured flow improvements but I figured I would at least try it while I had the pump out.

Red99TA
06-26-2009, 10:58 PM
Tonight's progress: 1/2 of the flycutting done (cut .025" which should bring me up to around 0.095" on the intake).
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/010-1.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/013-1.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/011-1.jpg

Red99TA
06-27-2009, 05:39 PM
Saturday progress: all flycutting done and actually started reassembly!!! Timing cover and UD pulley are on, tomorrow heads go on. Crappy pic but it's from right before flycutting the passenger's side plus you can see the pulley on now. I was using an old 1/2" drive torque wrench to torque down the pulley and it busted at around 175-200 ft-lbs. I thought the head of the crank bolt had snapped off (scared the crap out of me). I've got a 4' long old boiler tube to use for leverage on the wrench so I was worried I put too much torque on it.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/001-2.jpg

2002 SS
06-27-2009, 06:23 PM
did you have to use a longer crank bolt to seat the pulley?

Red99TA
06-27-2009, 07:41 PM
did you have to use a longer crank bolt to seat the pulley?

Yeah, I pulled it on with a longer bolt and then I was putting the final torque on the new ARP bolt when my torque wrench busted.

Larry
06-27-2009, 08:14 PM
If the threads are clean and you used Loctite 242 you have it tight enough. I used a 1/2" drive for installing my pulley more than 5 times on my 98 Camaro and never a problem. Never did get it torqued down to the 220 or 240 recommended torque value.

Red99TA
06-28-2009, 04:41 PM
Finally some good pics! :D
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/004-2.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/005-1.jpg

JayplaySS2
06-28-2009, 11:28 PM
Did AFR supply you a flow sheet with the heads? I know Doug just switched to TFS and I am just curious. Any plans for N20?

Red99TA
06-29-2009, 06:47 AM
Did AFR supply you a flow sheet with the heads? I know Doug just switched to TFS and I am just curious. Any plans for N20?

No, I bought the heads used from a guy locally. I don't plan on N2O but if I ever do I might go for a 75 or 100 shot.

Red99TA
06-29-2009, 09:32 PM
Coming together now. Still need radiator, fans, alternator, waterpump, and hooking up my orx plus waiting for pushrods that should be here wednesday to finally fire it up!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/001-3.jpg

Red99TA
06-30-2009, 07:30 PM
Almost done...still waiting for the pushrods to get here tomorrow! All that's left is the pushrods, swaybar, and bolting the x-pipe back up to the collectors. Oh and filling the radiator and power steering fluid. The new CAI looks good but I hope it's not too much red under there with my red FRC's.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/008-1.jpg

Chris06GT
07-01-2009, 08:36 PM
Red, this is a great write up man....I am looking for a C5 and was curious to doing this swap.....Great info!!

Nice car too!!

Red99TA
07-01-2009, 09:34 PM
Red, this is a great write up man....I am looking for a C5 and was curious to doing this swap.....Great info!!

Nice car too!!

Thanks...Finally DONE! Fired right up and oil pressure came up after about 2 seconds. Stock tune even stayed alive on it's own while it warmed up. Through the stock Ti mufflers and ORX plus FLP LT's it sounds pretty tame but with a definite lope and it seems to wanna rock the car a little more than before. I have a feeling it's going to sound much better at WOT. Looks pretty stock unless you actually look at the front of the passenger's side head. I'm keeping it under 2K rpms until Jeff tunes it Fri morning then I can really let it rip!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/007-3.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ggsz28/008-2.jpg

Larry
07-01-2009, 11:03 PM
Red, this is a great write up man....I am looking for a C5 and was curious to doing this swap.....Great info!!

Nice car too!!I'll second that. Will be a big help for anyone else wanting to do the job on their engine. Thanks for sharing!

Chris06GT
07-05-2009, 01:39 PM
Red, what tool did you use to fly cut the pistons and where did you find it?

Thanks,
Chris...

Post video's when you can, I would like to hear it!!

Red99TA
07-05-2009, 05:31 PM
Red, what tool did you use to fly cut the pistons and where did you find it?

Thanks,
Chris...

Post video's when you can, I would like to hear it!!

It's the in-head piston cutter from Lindy Tool - just do a search on here for "lindy tool flycut pistons" and you'll find it real quick.

Z06-Dave
07-05-2009, 07:58 PM
Good Job! And nice to save about a grand too!
Keep it under 2,000 rpm's...C'mon, you can have a more fun than that. You'll be a little low on power but you wont break it.
Believe it or not, when I did one of my swaps, I went to the track before a tune...I don't recommend it, but you can certainly drive over 2k...
Get yourself a copy of EFI-Live so you're not married to a tuner in the future. When I think of the money I used to spend on tunes, it makes me sick. I even have a tune or two that will be pretty close if you have any software?

Again, great job! :chug:

Red99TA
07-05-2009, 08:58 PM
Keep it under 2,000 rpm's...C'mon, you can have a more fun than that. You'll be a little low on power but you wont break it.
Believe it or not, when I did one of my swaps, I went to the track before a tune...I don't recommend it, but you can certainly drive over 2k...
Get yourself a copy of EFI-Live so you're not married to a tuner in the future. When I think of the money I used to spend on tunes, it makes me sick. I even have a tune or two that will be pretty close if you have any software?

Again, great job! :chug:

Thanks but it was only untuned for 2 days...got it tuned locally on the street with a wideband and it just plain rips up to redline :devil: You can really feel the torque peak down around 4500 as well. I hear you about the tuning. I used to own HPTuners but I was stupid and sold it with my T/A. I was no pro by any means and was amazed how fast and well the local tuner did it. It's a side job he does for fun and he's pretty damn good at it as far as I can tell. He's a very cool guy and will refine the tune I paid him for whenever it's needed for free.

Chris06GT
07-06-2009, 06:15 PM
Thanks for the info Red!!

Again, awesome car and write up!!

camvette91
07-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Congrats!
Any videos are welcomed... :)