Gen 5 Camaro Internal Engine Tech - Camaro SS VS Shelby GT500 - 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C9zanLcpXY

the 2010 Camaro is still impressive. If GM ever produces the Z/28, it will take the GT500.

damn that is very impressive..
i see comments from mustang fanboys on there all happy that the supercharged gt500 was miliseconds ahead of the n/a camaro..
supercharged vs supercharged drag/track lets see who wins then :D

Camaro

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=151466

Hennessy vs Shelby

I think its impressive that its only a .1 difference. With the title of the video, I thought it was going to be more than a second difference. For the price difference Id rather pump up the LS3 than already have a motor thats been pushed close to its limits.

:engarde: I've watched this video and read the article in the magazine and IMHO the results are not going to be the norm. Before anyone takes offense let me explain my point. We all know by now that the GT500 has ran quicker times in worst conditions and the commentator was pissed @ Ford fans for unflattering responses on their forums. I agree that he made some valid points in the beginning of the video , but being a professional he should grow thicker skin. On this day at that moment maybe the GT500 as well as the SS ran that time , but after owners ( driver mod) have their experiences with the cars the times will improve.

I think that is a good representation of what to expect in a street race. On a track, the GT500 will be faster and probably pull ahead sooner. Then again we haven't seen the best times out of the camaro yet. For the price difference, it is defnitely closer than the Ford boys want it to be.

I think that is a good representation of what to expect in a street race. On a track, the GT500 will be faster and probably pull ahead sooner. Then again we haven't seen the best times out of the camaro yet. For the price difference, it is defnitely closer than the Ford boys want it to be.

No doubt the GT500 will be faster than the SS - it's 16 grand more expensive for a bast GT500 than a base SS! Heads, cam, and headers for about 4,500 (probably a lot less :p) and the SS is fighting with the GT500. As the presenter noted, the SS isn't positioned in terms of price to compete with the GT500. Ford fanboys were just angry that Ford couldn't pit the GT against the SS.

Give the 2010 SS camaro the same amount of boost and see who wins lol or just swap the cam lol. Even better drop the $16k in the SS Camaro and that would be funny.

whats funny is.. The 2010 SS with the intake and tune on camaro5 would beat the GT500 worse than the gt500 beat this SS..

I've always loved the arguement well let me put the price difference into my car and see who is faster. Hell take a gt500 and drop 20grand in it and see it walk all over a z06. Also drop top bird the gt500 motor is no where close to being maxed out.

Headers,Air intake and a tune and the SS is just as fast or faster than the GT500.

i love both cars, camaro definately looks meaner.. but the two cars are in two different leagues. the gt500 just needs a pulley/tune/drag radials and its a low 11sec sleeper. the camaro needs cam/fullexhaust/intake/dragradials/dynotune to stay up with that and people are going to hear you driving up from a mile away in the camaro.

i think they should make a yenko to compete with the GT500! it would be badass!

I've always loved the arguement well let me put the price difference into my car and see who is faster. Hell take a gt500 and drop 20grand in it and see it walk all over a z06. Also drop top bird the gt500 motor is no where close to being maxed out.

Stock for stock, the GT500 is a better car in every measurable way. I was just pointing out that it's a lot more expensive, and as such, it isn't a fair comparison.

a perfect race would be the gt500 vs the ctsv

Stock for stock, the GT500 is a better car in every measurable way. I was just pointing out that it's a lot more expensive, and as such, it isn't a fair comparison.

Except the engine. Small detail.

I have seen several 600+ RWHP GT500's around that seem almost stock. GM should have definitely planned on an LS9 Camaro. Hopefully some day because it will be difficult to compete with the purpose built forced induction engine in the Ford.

Stock for stock, the GT500 is a better car in every measurable way. I was just pointing out that it's a lot more expensive, and as such, it isn't a fair comparison.

I think a fair comparison will be the 2011 gt with the new 400hp motor. However it will still be a few grand less than the camaro.

I dont see how you think its still going to be less expensive than the camaro. A Premium GT with Track Pack lists at 35k. You think that a new 5.0 motor want push that price near 40k? Granted, its worth the price, but dont think the mustang is going to be less than the Camaro with the new engine.

I think a fair comparison will be the 2011 gt with the new 400hp motor. However it will still be a few grand less than the camaro.

You are dreaming!!

the funniest part is that ford motors need superchargers to make torque. ford sucks. fuck that.

Havent kept up with the new camaro to much, but from what ive heard the z28 will be faster than the SS and will most likely sport an ls7 since the vette has ls9 now. If the gt500 can barely beat 425hp lets throw another 80hp in the Z28 and see what happens. Dont harp on me if im wrong, thats just the last thing ive heard...

And i guess fords GT is the vettes challege? ZR1 vs. GT??? Poor Ford. LOL

Havent kept up with the new camaro to much, but from what ive heard the z28 will be faster than the SS and will most likely sport an ls7 since the vette has ls9 now. If the gt500 can barely beat 425hp lets throw another 80hp in the Z28 and see what happens. Dont harp on me if im wrong, thats just the last thing ive heard...

The Z28 is more likely to get the 556 hp LSA from the CTS-V or similar, not the LS7. The LS7 is on its way out of production.

The Z28 is more likely to get the 556 hp LSA from the CTS-V or similar, not the LS7. The LS7 is on its way out of production.

Dang! even better! lol

They debate never ends... Same debate since 2002...

The test guy should have pussed out in the GT500 even more than he did. Make all the GM guys feel really good about themselves.........especially the guy I saw at the track the other night who couldn't manage better than a 13.7 in his shiny new SS.:D

Except the engine. Small detail.

yeah right, keep telling yourself that...lol.

I love the new camaro so lets get that straigh BUT with camaros going for 40k + It puts in the ballpark with the gt500 price wise. A local dealer near me has a few brand new 09 gt500's that he will let go for 39k. Over time Iam sure the price of the camaro will die down a little as fas as the over sticker madness. But take a fully loaded 2ss which can easily go over 36k. I know I'll be flamed for saying this cuz its true but with all the deals on gt500's right now the camaro is not a very good deal. If your looking for balls out power then the gt500 is for you. The stock engine is fully forged and hand built and can take 24lbs of boost all day long. If gm does do a z28 hopfully they follow in fords footsteps and have a fully forged engine. If not the ford boys will still have the upper hand because they go buy a whipple blower for 3800 bucks and make 700+ whp. Oh and by the way they are several guys with the stock blower and minor bolt ons going low 11's @ 125+. IIRC we saw 5th gen not to long ago that had stal, cam, headers, exhaust, 200 shot and imo was a :turd: because it only went 11.50 @ 120. The camaro runs ok. They are only trapping 109-110 which is decent but my buddies ls3 vette is traping 120 bone stock. Point is we havent seen nothing all that impressive out the camaro yet. We all know that the ls3 can make over 500 whp with heads cam so Iam still waiting to see what the heads camaros run in the quarter before I buy one which hopefully is at least 123-125 mph. Theres no reason it shouldn't because the h/c ls3 vettes I have seen as fast 10.5 @ 132. Taking the weight of the camaro in consideration that car with h/c should go at least 123 if not than iam sorry to say that in my opinion its a :turd:

Havent kept up with the new camaro to much, but from what ive heard the z28 will be faster than the SS and will most likely sport an ls7 since the vette has ls9 now. If the gt500 can barely beat 425hp lets throw another 80hp in the Z28 and see what happens. Dont harp on me if im wrong, thats just the last thing ive heard...

I dunno if its decided already that it'll get an LS7 or an LSA. It's been purely guesswork.

Honestly, the mph here speaks volume. The camaro is consistently in the 109-110mph range while the GT500 is a 115mph car... so it was no surprise that it was two cars and a half ahead. We all know what a tune/intake/exhaust does to a ls3 (390rwhp stock to 430rwhp) so expect a MUCH, MUCH closer race however, these two cars are just not evenly matched. Still, impressive... both cars have a strong aftermarket so at the end of the day... it all boils down to who has the most into it.

Awesome comparison vid!!

Honestly, the mph here speaks volume. The camaro is consistently in the 109-110mph range while the GT500 is a 115mph car... so it was no surprise that it was two cars and a half ahead. We all know what a tune/intake/exhaust does to a ls3 (390rwhp stock to 430rwhp) so expect a MUCH, MUCH closer race however, these two cars are just not evenly matched. Still, impressive... both cars have a strong aftermarket so at the end of the day... it all boils down to who has the most into it.

i agree. If one throws a few parts at the camaro (cam, headers, exhaust, intake, tune) this race will be neck and neck, i bet.

Just a HEADS up to all the folks saying that a head\cam\header swap should be done on the LS3.... you dont need heads. Thats the beauty of the LS3 over the ls1,2,6. These heads are already bad assed, if you must, you can have a valve job and some port work done for about $1k and pick up another 20rwhp or so, but all that is needed is a cam and headers. no need to swap heads.

with cam\headers\intake\tune the LS3 puts down 500rwhp all day.

The GT500 is a sweet assed car though. I would take one in a heart beat, especially at $39k.

Throw a KB or Whipple on the GT500 and its a 10 second car @ 129-135. Build Shortblock, 8.8 with 31 spline axles, twin disc cutch from the factory, hardened parts in the transmission from the factory is very hard to beat. Besides, you can buy a whole complete whipple kit for under $6,000 and then you are in the 700HP range, awesome.

a perfect race would be the gt500 vs the ctsv

the CTS V beats it in just about every aspect!

No doubt the GT500 will be faster than the SS - it's 16 grand more expensive for a bast GT500 than a base SS! Heads, cam, and headers for about 4,500 (probably a lot less :p) and the SS is fighting with the GT500. As the presenter noted, the SS isn't positioned in terms of price to compete with the GT500. Ford fanboys were just angry that Ford couldn't pit the GT against the SS.

actually if you read on camaro5.com aka gt500sarethebestcarever.com, you will find that you aren't allowed to mention the price difference between the two cars because some people paid over MSRP for a camaro. you also are not allowed to compare the gt500 to a z06 because of the price difference and the z06 only has 2 seats. it's perfect logic.

well theres alot of variables here that have to be taken into account. Yes the GT500 is alot more expensive car. Some here are saying that they have seen them new for 39k?? If thats the case then yes i would say the SS is in trouble. However, ive heard the SS has some wheel hope issues. If that can be taken care of along with throwing some money at it to put down some more power yeah it has he GT500 beat no doubt people say its dumb to make a comment on the price difference and use that for mods then race.. i dont think so is just basic math. the more you pay for a car the more you should be getting.

Also i think the more proper comparison will be when the GT gets its new motor its been slacking with 325 hp (what the Camaro had years ago) so once its up at 400+ and at an obviously comparable price to the SS we will see how two evenly priced cars that have been in competition for many years run.

blades11b comment...( i dont think so is just basic math. the more you pay for a car the more you should be getting.)

:huh: I mean this in a respectful way . The GT500 has a factory handbuilt forged internals engine / supercharger / intercooler /upgraded fuel system / etc. Never mind the "Limited Production" and niche production line required to produce the car. All these thing add to the cost and of course the licensing for the Shelby name.

the cts v beats it in just about every aspect!

+1 :)

I am looking forward to the 2011 Camaro SS vs 2011 Mustang GT comparison. SS to GT500, wrong comparison as GM is not building a Camaro in that market range quite yet. Already said, but IF GM makes a Z28, that would probably be the best competitor to the GT500.

Just my $0.02.

I think a fair comparison will be the 2011 gt with the new 400hp motor. However it will still be a few grand less than the camaro.

It will be a fair comparison when it is released. But right now the fair thing to do is to compare it to its current options. Comaparing it to a car that cost 16k more is just not right. Because its not an option for someone who can only afford a 30k dollar car. So its stupid to compare it. They only compared it to that car to shut up a few whiney cry baby mustang fans. To be fair, Lets compare it to the hennesee Camaro.

Whenthe new Mustang is released with 400+ ponies, that will make it a fair comparison.But without it being a currnt option it does not make sense to compare the 2. Your sig makes it obvious you are completely partial.

With that being said, That Mustang is one sweet ass car! Looks great and has gobs of power.

Is it worth the price? Thats subjective. for that kind of money its not really all that impressive but the car itself is awesome, imo.

The test guy should have pussed out in the GT500 even more than he did. Make all the GM guys feel really good about themselves.........especially the guy I saw at the track the other night who couldn't manage better than a 13.7 in his shiny new SS.:D
I have seen guys who could not get a 13.9 out of a Dodge Viper. What was this guys new ss trapping?

Give the 2010 SS camaro the same amount of boost and see who wins lol or just swap the cam lol. Even better drop the $16k in the SS Camaro and that would be funny.

16k in a Camaro SS would make put it WAY ahead of the Cobra. The Mustang is making due with a aging mill.

the funniest part is that ford motors need superchargers to make torque. ford sucks. fuck that.

Ford is making due with what they have. They are obviusly doing well with that otherwise they would have been asking for money to stay afloat.

They dont " Need" a supercharger to make as much power. They have the potential to build engines with as much potential/power. They are doing what is financially pheasable. Its not that they lack the talent to build such an engine. Its just doing what makes the most sense from their standpoint. They dont have a corvette to share the cost of building the same engines as Chevy.They dont build near as many cars using the same technical designs. They have less to divide their research from so they do what they feel is most responsible with the money. And while I prefer F-body cars I love Mustangs and think that Ford has done an exceptional Job in keeping the competitive in a market where the competition has more power,goes faster and gets better MPG. Kudos to Ford!

The thing I hate the most about the Mustang is not the engine. It is the fact that they still use 5 speed Manuals. WTF? It's 2009 Ford!

Ford Actually makes great cars. I own 2 Fords. :)