View Full Version : So they can run fast at the track afterall :) Bone stock LS3 SS runs 12.87 quarter


BalzOnYer4Head
07-19-2009, 09:18 AM
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33047

Supposedly that guy's first time at the track with his 2010 camaro and car only has 500 miles on it so far.

Looks like a lot of the others who ran a quarter mile and posted crappy times earlier were newbs to the track or didnt know how to properly launch this car. :confused:

DaveX
07-19-2009, 10:02 AM
That is a great time but I am suspicious. Not all the times posted so far have been from inexperienced drivers and this is substantially better.

Nine Ball
07-19-2009, 10:06 AM
I believe the times. Mine went 13.0 in much worse weather. I could have gotten a 12.9 with any sub 2.0 60' time. It is all about practice, and getting a feel for the car. They will go 12.6s in cold weather bone stock, count on it. Even my pass corrects down to a 12.71 in better weather.

Pro Stock John
07-19-2009, 10:09 AM
I believe it, Robin L. went 13.doh at the same track stock too. And it's been unsually cool on some days up here, heck yesterday morning it was 59F at 8AM!

BalzOnYer4Head
07-20-2009, 04:29 PM
I think the only other time I've seen a sub 13 second run reported on a stock car was motortrend's results. But I think that might have been with a gtech and not at the track?

silplu83
07-20-2009, 05:00 PM
I think the only other time I've seen a sub 13 second run reported on a stock car was motortrend's results. But I think that might have been with a gtech and not at the track?

Yea that was a Gtech.

UltraZLS1
07-20-2009, 06:01 PM
Bah...still not good enough. It wont be good enough until someone runs a 12.6 maybe 12.7.....remember 4th gen cars ran 12's all day.

ULTIMATEORANGESS
07-20-2009, 07:52 PM
Bah...still not good enough. It wont be good enough until someone runs a 12.6 maybe 12.7.....remember 4th gen cars ran 12's all day.

i wouldnt say all day but they ran it enough.



i think 5th gens are capable of a 12.6 based on their trap speed.

navyblueSS
07-20-2009, 11:43 PM
i wouldnt say all day but they ran it enough.



i think 5th gens are capable of a 12.6 based on their trap speed.

I agree, we will be seeing 12.60s popping up out of these cars when the cooler temps arrive.

gap4annie
07-21-2009, 01:32 PM
i wouldnt say all day but they ran it enough.



i think 5th gens are capable of a 12.6 based on their trap speed.

That'll be fun to see. Think the car is capable of 11's with just a tune?

liqidvenom
07-21-2009, 04:07 PM
Bah...still not good enough. It wont be good enough until someone runs a 12.6 maybe 12.7.....remember 4th gen cars ran 12's all day.

are the 4th gens running 12's bone stock down to the tire and at show room weight?

if so thats news to me

ULTIMATEORANGESS
07-21-2009, 07:01 PM
That'll be fun to see. Think the car is capable of 11's with just a tune?


no, but i think a catback and CAI with a tune and tires itll hit 11s. with a great driver of course.

woodsls1
07-21-2009, 07:07 PM
can anyone help me it seems my track time is slower than i expected

1GXP4ME
07-21-2009, 07:48 PM
That is the best M6 pass Ive seen but still slower than me w/ more power, less weight and better weather.

Nine Ball
07-21-2009, 08:24 PM
are the 4th gens running 12's bone stock down to the tire and at show room weight?

if so thats news to me

Most of them don't. Most M6 drivers can barely run 13s due to no skill. I put two bone stock LS1 f-bodies into the 12.8s with zero mods and zero weight removal. That was almost a decade ago, in cold weather on a great track. The same cars in the summer were 13.2 cars.

The 2010 Camaro is quicker than the 4th gen, sorry that some of you guys are in denial. My 2010 went 13.0 in HOT weather, with a crappy 2.05 60' time. None of my dozen or so LS1 f-bodies ran 13.doh in the heat.

OrangeChevyII
07-21-2009, 09:29 PM
My 2010 went a 12.77 in 86 degree heat and a near 2700 DA. Tuned and a muffler, stock rubber with a 1.89 short time. Stock weight at 3985.

ex-SS-ve
07-21-2009, 09:58 PM
Most of them don't. Most M6 drivers can barely run 13s due to no skill. I put two bone stock LS1 f-bodies into the 12.8s with zero mods and zero weight removal. That was almost a decade ago, in cold weather on a great track. The same cars in the summer were 13.2 cars.

The 2010 Camaro is quicker than the 4th gen, sorry that some of you guys are in denial. My 2010 went 13.0 in HOT weather, with a crappy 2.05 60' time. None of my dozen or so LS1 f-bodies ran 13.doh in the heat.
cant tell them that. because to them their 4th gen is better than the 2010 in every way. kind of like how a 3rd gen is better than a 4th to the 3rd gen owner!:barf:

liqidvenom
07-21-2009, 10:43 PM
Most of them don't. Most M6 drivers can barely run 13s due to no skill. I put two bone stock LS1 f-bodies into the 12.8s with zero mods and zero weight removal. That was almost a decade ago, in cold weather on a great track. The same cars in the summer were 13.2 cars.

The 2010 Camaro is quicker than the 4th gen, sorry that some of you guys are in denial. My 2010 went 13.0 in HOT weather, with a crappy 2.05 60' time. None of my dozen or so LS1 f-bodies ran 13.doh in the heat.

this is what i thought...


i'm sure gm put the 5th gen up against every benchmark set by the 4th gen and made sure they could beat it in every way possible

lemons12
07-21-2009, 11:04 PM
:hijack:

hey Tony.. i met someone you "might" know...

name is John Lamb.. bought a black 2000 trans am brand new... he was going stock internals and got real close to be up on the top of the list.. he is from TN..

he was a moderator he said when tech.com first started up.. but then phased out of it..

he was showing me some video of when the shootout was up at beech bend.. your car and colonels? car along with a few more quick cars..

just wondering, you probably dont.. but..

lemons12
07-21-2009, 11:07 PM
i'm sure gm put the 5th gen up against every benchmark set by the 4th gen and made sure they could beat it in every way possible

why in the hell would they do this? or why would they care..

the 4th gen isnt even in the same class... nor is it in production anymore..

it was going up against the challengers/mustang/etc..


ls1s dont run 12s all day long.. nor is it anywhere close to the norm... its more like a needly in the hay stack..

ls1s are low-mid 13 cars.. some bad drivers are slower, some good drivers are faster.. but that is the "norm"..

the 5th gen is running low 13s with bad drivers and hitting high 12s with good drivers.. times will only get better..

some of you boys with stockish cars talking shit on the 5th gen are going to be mad when you line up against one.

obZidian
07-22-2009, 07:08 PM
Not bad but that was still with a 2.0 60ft.. if that guy could of hit a 1.8-1.7 60ft. then we would of all been like:

DAMN! I KNEW! 12.6 is right around the corner... we just need a guy with more practice to click it off.

At 109-111 mph, this car is a definite mid 12's car... you can count on it.

robb4964
07-26-2009, 09:29 PM
are the 4th gens running 12's bone stock down to the tire and at show room weight?

if so thats news to me

Stock 99 TA with HORRIBLE 60's , I ran a 13.0@109.(Best eta stock,4 times in the same night)This is with street tires and a 2.2 60. I could not get the thing to stick for crap so I nursed it off the line. The track prep sucks at my local track for test and tune night.

If I would have been able to practice the launch I would have pulled a 12.9 with no Problem on reg tires. I managed a 12.8 on drag radials. Stock.

Saw Multiple SS Camaros hit 12's stock. Most of them where 02's.

However , The 5th gen is a better car. Period.

lemons12
07-26-2009, 09:37 PM
Stock 99 TA with HORRIBLE 60's , I ran a 13.0@109.(Best eta stock,4 times in the same night)This is with street tires and a 2.2 60. I could not get the thing to stick for crap so I nursed it off the line. The track prep sucks at my local track for test and tune night.

If I would have been able to practice the launch I would have pulled a 12.9 with no Problem on reg tires. I managed a 12.8 on drag radials. Stock.

Saw Multiple SS Camaros hit 12's stock. Most of them where 02's.


i call BS..

no way you ran a 13.0@109 with a 2.2 short... with what these cars should 60 with a good driver (1.9s) that would put you at a 12.70 pass... not going to happen..

unless your definition of a truly "stock" car is not stock.. as in you cant say with drag radials i would have hit a XX.XX @ XXX.XX. Stock.

EPP
07-27-2009, 05:20 AM
I'll bet that just as soon as some of these 2010 Camaros rack up 5-10 K miles on them, their 1/4 mile times will get even faster. Bob

jamnut
07-27-2009, 10:05 AM
My Formula ran 12's stock, but it took a long time for me to get the hang of racing an M6 car after so many years of racing auto's. It takes a lot of finesse to get a bone stock 4th gen into the 12's. The first time I ran a 12 in my formula when it was stock I ended up bending the shift forks with only 6k miles on the car. I'm not going to lie, until I got the hang of launching the car I was running 13.5-13.6. If I remember the first documented 12.8 in a stock 4th gen was Evan from MM&FF way back in 98, but he can drive the wheels off of a car. It got much easier in 01&02 to hit the 12's, but it was still only maybe 1 in 15 people that would go to the track with a stock 4th gen that could dip into the 12's.

deelong4002
07-27-2009, 10:11 AM
I dont know why everyone is so supprised when a 5th gen is faster than a 4th gen. It's almost 100hp more. Sure it weigh more, but 100hp is alot.

Nine Ball
07-27-2009, 12:10 PM
If I remember the first documented 12.8 in a stock 4th gen was Evan from MM&FF way back in 98, but he can drive the wheels off of a car.

A small hand full of us ran 12s stock before Evan Smith did. The first one was Dave Tittermary during the LS1.com days. Evan's passes were highly popular, because he published the article in his Mustang magazine and praised the LS1 engine and bashed on Ford for producing the shitbox 4.6L cars at the same time.

:)

427C5
07-27-2009, 02:32 PM
A small hand full of us ran 12s stock before Evan Smith did. The first one was Dave Tittermary during the LS1.com days. Evan's passes were highly popular, because he published the article in his Mustang magazine and praised the LS1 engine and bashed on Ford for producing the shitbox 4.6L cars at the same time.

:)
I remember those guys, and those days.:)
Shit. I was one of those Mustang guys before I drove a stroked LT1. :)

lemons12
07-27-2009, 06:26 PM
A small hand full of us ran 12s stock before Evan Smith did. The first one was Dave Tittermary during the LS1.com days. Evan's passes were highly popular, because he published the article in his Mustang magazine and praised the LS1 engine and bashed on Ford for producing the shitbox 4.6L cars at the same time.

:)

so is his the fastest, or the fastest documented?

just curious..

im not calling BS that anybody runs 12s in a bone stock ls1... but with a 2.2 shor ttime......... :huh:

Nine Ball
07-27-2009, 10:26 PM
Evan's was the quickest published in a magazine, but it wasn't the quickest across the nation. His was just the quickest "magazine test" time.

Tony

lemons12
07-27-2009, 11:59 PM
Evan's was the quickest published in a magazine, but it wasn't the quickest across the nation. His was just the quickest "magazine test" time.

Tony

hmmmmmm...

what is the fastest "truly" stock ls1 time you have witnessed?

i mean down to the filter, tires, everything... STOCK.

kind of interesting.. :nod:

LOHRTBT
11-06-2009, 05:59 PM
Man....I know plenty of guys in 4th gens stock to the paper filter that ran 12's. I knew a guy with a stock 98 Formula that ran 12.80's@112 with nothing done to it at all, oh yeah..on Pep boys Futura tires as well!!

UltraZLS1
11-07-2009, 08:02 AM
112 trap? was the track pointing downhill? was the wind pushing him?
Ive never seen higher than a 109 trap for a stock fourth gen. And the norm is usually 105-107.

That 12.8 could have been a 12.5-12.6 or so with a good launch if he is trapping 112 jesus christ that is fast.

I cant believe the 112 trap speed.

CoolAid
11-07-2009, 01:21 PM
Keep in mind only 1% of people on the net when posting their times ever mention Density Altitude.

Its not just about temperature and humidity, track altitude and pressure have way more to do with a good run than just the difference between 60'F-70'F.

Example: If the DA is -1,200ft in Tulsa Oklahoma or ATCO or somewhere the bone stock Camaro with good driver could very well see 12.8s (Just like the LS2 GTOs do). Now take that same car and same driver and put him in Texas on a low pressure day at a higher altitude and all of a sudden that 12.8 starts looking more like 13.2-13.5s.

Take peoples times with a grain of salt if you plan on comparing them to others without first investigating ALL the variables and conditions. Just because Camaro A runs 12.8s in -1,000DA mineshaft air and Camaro B runs 13.3s in 2,500+DA doesnt always mean that Camaro A must be a "freak"/suspicious/lying compared to Camaro B.

Tricked-Out-Toy
11-07-2009, 01:32 PM
I knew a guy with a stock 98 Formula that ran 12.80's@112

haha Ok

98LS1Formula
11-07-2009, 05:12 PM
Man....I know plenty of guys in 4th gens stock to the paper filter that ran 12's. I knew a guy with a stock 98 Formula that ran 12.80's@112 with nothing done to it at all, oh yeah..on Pep boys Futura tires as well!!

bone stock automatic convertable with 2.73s?

dont forget a full tank of 87 octane and a heavy tool box in the back!

I remember him! He made the run in July in florida right??!

Silver99tA
11-07-2009, 06:32 PM
my fastest bone stock 1/4 mile run was 13.1 @ 105 with a 2.0 60 ft...that was on poop ass bfg's....now when i got my cam and everything else that was a dif story...

1998Z28LOADED
11-07-2009, 09:28 PM
Bah...still not good enough. It wont be good enough until someone runs a 12.6 maybe 12.7.....remember 4th gen cars ran 12's all day.

My 98 bone stock ran 14.0 on street tires

chrisdacarnut
11-07-2009, 09:29 PM
I watched a bone stock LS3 SS run 12.88 last night here in Oklahoma

JAMcreations
11-08-2009, 04:12 PM
It took 3.73 gears, CAI, and cat back with a tune for my a4 Formy to hit 12s. After all that I sat at high 12s consistantly. My first run was a 13.1 @ 107mph. Not to far from 12s but after the mods The Best I got was 12.71 @110mph on street tires(never ran DRs). It's hard for me to believe that a stock LS1 trapped 109mph with a 2.2 60ft. like earlier posted. I think I was only getting 1.9 and 2.0 60fts and I was only trapping 107-109mph.

Pro Stock John
11-08-2009, 05:45 PM
Best totally stock I ever witnessed was 13.07@107 for a strippo 1999 SS MN6.

Tony, when you went 12.8x stock, was that with an SLP lid?

Evan went one if not the fastest time stock, he slipped the clutch out at 4500-5000 and drove it like a rental. He had some nice air but he said he slipped the clutch out real high. I talked to him about this a few years ago at an NMCA race.

I drove a 2000 Formula, A4, cutout, !jack/spare, ftra, lid, stock chrome wheels... 12.84@110 very impressive. The light owner was able to eventually run a 12.81 later that day with my coaching. Was 2000 DA air.

brians91formula
11-10-2009, 12:10 PM
I have seen a Brand new 10ss with 800 miles on it and no mods run a 12.9 at the track with a 2.0 60 foot. this was an auto car.

I have also seen a 2000 SS 6 speed run a 12.9 at 108mph with a 2.0 60 foot.

I personally witnessed both of these cars. I dont doubt the 10SS can go 12.7 in cold weather with a good driver.

getcha 01
09-24-2010, 01:34 AM
i call BS..

no way you ran a 13.0@109 with a 2.2 short... with what these cars should 60 with a good driver (1.9s) that would put you at a 12.70 pass... not going to happen..

unless your definition of a truly "stock" car is not stock.. as in you cant say with drag radials i would have hit a XX.XX @ XXX.XX. Stock.

Im for sure with you on this one. My 01 WS6 went 13.18@101mph bouncing off limiter last 200ft or so and 13.25@105mph if I shifted to 4th and both with 2.0 60ft. That was quite a bit faster than I thought it would go and other were skeptical too. I did have a LID and hooker muffler, but EVERYTHING else untouched. I've heard stock F bodies going 12.90's, never seen it or known ne1 to see it. I do believe it has happened, but not with 2.2 60ft or 109mph no way. The 2 documented 12.9X stock F body times ive seen were a 99 Z28 and a 01 WS6, and both had drag radials on to see what the fastest a STOCK F body would run.Still it was around 102-103mph with 1.8-9 60 ft. I seen in person a 01 WS6 A4 untouched(not even lid or filter) run 12.82@106mph, but it was owned by a dyno tuner that installed a 2800 stall and tuned it.

Fast 2010
09-25-2010, 11:02 AM
why in the hell would they do this? or why would they care..

the 4th gen isnt even in the same class... nor is it in production anymore..

it was going up against the challengers/mustang/etc..


ls1s dont run 12s all day long.. nor is it anywhere close to the norm... its more like a needly in the hay stack..

ls1s are low-mid 13 cars.. some bad drivers are slower, some good drivers are faster.. but that is the "norm"..

the 5th gen is running low 13s with bad drivers and hitting high 12s with good drivers.. times will only get better..

some of you boys with stockish cars talking shit on the 5th gen are going to be mad when you line up against one.

Agreed.....

xx_ED_xx
09-28-2010, 09:15 AM
Wonder what one will run at 3800 da and with an auto will do...

Black FormulaLs1
09-28-2010, 09:58 AM
i will stick w/ my 4th gens ... not a huge fan of the 5th gen... if you read my sig carefully my 60 ft and times are there .. so not really impressed w/ this 30-40K F body..

and if i can find the video i would be happy to post a link for it.

Dark SS
09-28-2010, 11:46 AM
i will stick w/ my 4th gens ... not a huge fan of the 5th gen... if you read my sig carefully my 60 ft and times are there .. so not really impressed w/ this 30-40K F body..

and if i can find the video i would be happy to post a link for it.

This is a really blank statement. You need a modified 4th gen to run stock 5th gen times, the 4th gens when new cost 30-40K but your not impressed. :sack:

liqidvenom
09-28-2010, 11:47 AM
i will stick w/ my 4th gens ... not a huge fan of the 5th gen... if you read my sig carefully my 60 ft and times are there .. so not really impressed w/ this 30-40K F body..

and if i can find the video i would be happy to post a link for it.

1) when your car was brand new i am sure it was near if not a 30k car.
2) your time was on dr's i am sure a bone stock 5th gen on dr's could run that time and prob trap higher.

UltraZLS1
09-28-2010, 11:53 PM
1) when your car was brand new i am sure it was near if not a 30k car.
2) your time was on dr's i am sure a bone stock 5th gen on dr's could run that time and prob trap higher.

BONE STOCK/STOCK TIRES
Best time so far is 12.58

A few 12.6's and a lot of sub 13's.

Highest trap so far is 113.

Black FormulaLs1
09-30-2010, 08:12 PM
DARK SS : i apologise i didnt know a 99 Formula M6 car was a 30K car new. yes i had an SLP exhaust and barrowed DR's. I didnt NOT own my car new, i bought it used from a dealership in GA. w/ 77K on her. But if you take the price of a 4th gen F BODY M6 car and can drive worth a shit, add your exhaust and dr's.. and run mid 12's.. take your total cost involved and see if it adds up to the cost of a 5th gen SS.. if it does then that's on you. And NO i am NOT impressed when a 11 yr old car w/ exhaust and tires can run w/ a 40K car thats stock.. sorry
heres KBB link in excellent condition. http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/pontiac/firebird/1999/retail-value/pricing-report?id=5949&equipment=227110%7ctrue%7c227160%7ctrue%7c227219%7 ctrue%7c227195%7ctrue%7c227183%7ctrue&condition=excellent&mileage=10 so take your nut swingin elsewhere.. :mad:
here is a link to what it cost new MSRP less than 24K.. http://autos.yahoo.com/1999_pontiac_firebird_formula_coupe/ :nod:

so no i am not impressed w/ a 40K car that runs a shade better than my formula did w/ exhaust and dr's... i would gladly buy another 4th gen add the same tires etc and run w/ a 40K car.. just makes more sense. :D

LIQUID VENOM you said:
1) when your car was brand new i am sure it was near if not a 30k car.
** I bought mine used w/ 77K on the clock.v:D
2) your time was on dr's i am sure a bone stock 5th gen on dr's could run that time and prob trap higher.

i think you may be right.. but i am not spending the 30K-40K :eyes:to run those times.. lotta great deal in the FS threads and with a FEW bolt ons..you can take a 4th gen Maro'/ TA and run w/ a BRAND NEW 5th GEN Camaro SS.. I think i would rather do that and keep the extra 15K. :punch:

liqidvenom
09-30-2010, 10:02 PM
DARK SS : i apologise i didnt know a 99 Formula M6 car was a 30K car new. yes i had an SLP exhaust and barrowed DR's. I didnt NOT own my car new, i bought it used from a dealership in GA. w/ 77K on her. But if you take the price of a 4th gen F BODY M6 car and can drive worth a shit, add your exhaust and dr's.. and run mid 12's.. take your total cost involved and see if it adds up to the cost of a 5th gen SS.. if it does then that's on you. And NO i am NOT impressed when a 11 yr old car w/ exhaust and tires can run w/ a 40K car thats stock.. sorry
heres KBB link in excellent condition. http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/pontiac/firebird/1999/retail-value/pricing-report?id=5949&equipment=227110%7ctrue%7c227160%7ctrue%7c227219%7 ctrue%7c227195%7ctrue%7c227183%7ctrue&condition=excellent&mileage=10 so take your nut swingin elsewhere.. :mad:
here is a link to what it cost new MSRP less than 24K.. http://autos.yahoo.com/1999_pontiac_firebird_formula_coupe/ :nod:

so no i am not impressed w/ a 40K car that runs a shade better than my formula did w/ exhaust and dr's... i would gladly buy another 4th gen add the same tires etc and run w/ a 40K car.. just makes more sense. :D

LIQUID VENOM you said:
1) when your car was brand new i am sure it was near if not a 30k car.
** I bought mine used w/ 77K on the clock.v:D
2) your time was on dr's i am sure a bone stock 5th gen on dr's could run that time and prob trap higher.

i think you may be right.. but i am not spending the 30K-40K :eyes:to run those times.. lotta great deal in the FS threads and with a FEW bolt ons..you can take a 4th gen Maro'/ TA and run w/ a BRAND NEW 5th GEN Camaro SS.. I think i would rather do that and keep the extra 15K. :punch:
you could also go out and buy any old car and be as fast as a 4th gen after a few mods

Dark SS
09-30-2010, 11:38 PM
DARK SS : i apologise i didnt know a 99 Formula M6 car was a 30K car new. yes i had an SLP exhaust and barrowed DR's. I didnt NOT own my car new, i bought it used from a dealership in GA. w/ 77K on her. But if you take the price of a 4th gen F BODY M6 car and can drive worth a shit, add your exhaust and dr's.. and run mid 12's.. take your total cost involved and see if it adds up to the cost of a 5th gen SS.. if it does then that's on you. And NO i am NOT impressed when a 11 yr old car w/ exhaust and tires can run w/ a 40K car thats stock.. sorry
heres KBB link in excellent condition. http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/pontiac/firebird/1999/retail-value/pricing-report?id=5949&equipment=227110%7ctrue%7c227160%7ctrue%7c227219%7 ctrue%7c227195%7ctrue%7c227183%7ctrue&condition=excellent&mileage=10 so take your nut swingin elsewhere.. :mad:
here is a link to what it cost new MSRP less than 24K.. http://autos.yahoo.com/1999_pontiac_firebird_formula_coupe/ :nod:

so no i am not impressed w/ a 40K car that runs a shade better than my formula did w/ exhaust and dr's... i would gladly buy another 4th gen add the same tires etc and run w/ a 40K car.. just makes more sense. :D

LIQUID VENOM you said:
1) when your car was brand new i am sure it was near if not a 30k car.
** I bought mine used w/ 77K on the clock.v:D
2) your time was on dr's i am sure a bone stock 5th gen on dr's could run that time and prob trap higher.

i think you may be right.. but i am not spending the 30K-40K :eyes:to run those times.. lotta great deal in the FS threads and with a FEW bolt ons..you can take a 4th gen Maro'/ TA and run w/ a BRAND NEW 5th GEN Camaro SS.. I think i would rather do that and keep the extra 15K. :punch:

Maybe you'll be impressed when you can find a 77K mile used 5th gen :eyes:

That fact of the matter is you comparing apples to oranges. Sure you can take a modified car that's older and run with a bone stock car. Give me exhaust and tires and watch me put lengths on you. The initial cost of a car means nothing other than how much of a loan someone decides to take out. Compare mods, not MSRP. Eventually you will be able to find a cheap 5th gen. I didn't pay 40K for mine either. I have a car with 12K miles that I out on, heated seats and a comfortable interior. All that and I can run down modified LS1's. Sounds like a deal to me. :chug:

Black FormulaLs1
10-01-2010, 09:30 AM
How can the initial cost of the car mean nothing? A used 4th gen is $15k or so LESS than a new 5th gen. But that means nothing? i see that as mod money left over and then some.
Comparing mods isnt hard to do either. everybody wants to go as fast as possible and as cheap as possible. Neither of those go hand in hand. However by spending maby 12K-15K on a 4th gen and having 15K or so LEFT OVER for mods makes lotta sense to me :D, as oppose to spending 30K+ for a new 5th gen to run the same times..even tho the 5th gen is bone stock.:engarde:
The only reason I commented on the MSRP is because a few people were saying that the formula was a 30K car brand new...it wasn't. Not to say that deals are not available for the people who want a 5th gen. But this hobby/ lifestyle is get as much as you can for as little coin as possible, just have to make smart decisions. :punch:
Thats why I think getting a 4th gen and adding a few tastefull mods to keep up/ and or beat a 5th gen is a smarter choice. And there are PLENTY of clean one's on this site for sale. Yes you may pay more for them ie: low miles, options, total condition etc.. but its still cheaper than a 30K+ 5th gen and will run just as hard/fast, and the extra 15K in the bank/ pocket is always a good thing.:D
On the last note.. the 77K 5th gen..lol yeah those days are comming also..If i wanted a 5th gen, which i don't..i would wait and look for exactly what i want to become available and for MY PRICE..not some stealerships * car on premesis deal*..and by that time.. there would be more proven aftermarket goodies available. :chug:

UltraZLS1
10-01-2010, 01:33 PM
1SS starts at 31k. 2SS at 34k (which is pretty much loaded). Where is 40k coming from?

A loaded camaro SS in 2002 was around the 30k range. A loaded new SS is around 36-37k (not counting the 4k rim option that everyone throws out their lol).

If you look at inflation the 5th gen is the better deal period. The car is cheaper now than it was in 2002 when comparing option to option and considering inflation (which I guess no one thinks of)

Why are we comparing money spent on new cars vs modding an old one?

Than why even buy a 4th gen if thats all you want? Find an old 87 mustang for 2k and then mod the heck out of it...that would whoop on a 4th gen you bought for 10k when comparing costs. who gives a damn...

and then in that case...a new 70k plus new zo6 is the biggest waste of money ever...you could custom build a car to beat the piss out of a zo6 for far less than 70k. That is an old an worthless argument that is mostly used by people who are suffering from something called...JEALOUSY.

I agree it is a smarter choice to buy an older car if all your looking for is a drag car. I guess if thats all you want thats great....but dont dog a 5th gen or down play its performance because it costs more because it is new....how can that be helped?

MYSTIC-1SC
10-01-2010, 10:11 PM
definetly glad to see some good times outta these cars stock.

kinglt-1
10-02-2010, 10:54 AM
1SS starts at 31k. 2SS at 34k (which is pretty much loaded). Where is 40k coming from?

A loaded camaro SS in 2002 was around the 30k range. A loaded new SS is around 36-37k (not counting the 4k rim option that everyone throws out their lol).

If you look at inflation the 5th gen is the better deal period. The car is cheaper now than it was in 2002 when comparing option to option and considering inflation (which I guess no one thinks of)

Why are we comparing money spent on new cars vs modding an old one?

Than why even buy a 4th gen if thats all you want? Find an old 87 mustang for 2k and then mod the heck out of it...that would whoop on a 4th gen you bought for 10k when comparing costs. who gives a damn...

and then in that case...a new 70k plus new zo6 is the biggest waste of money ever...you could custom build a car to beat the piss out of a zo6 for far less than 70k. That is an old an worthless argument that is mostly used by people who are suffering from something called...JEALOUSY.

I agree it is a smarter choice to buy an older car if all your looking for is a drag car. I guess if thats all you want thats great....but dont dog a 5th gen or down play its performance because it costs more because it is new....how can that be helped?

I agree! I thought ls1 4th gens were expensive when they first come out... in 2002 a new fully optioned SS was 32k. imo the 5th gen is not much more being 8yrs later and the american dollar not worth shit compared to 8yrs ago. Bang 4 the buck were LT1 cars! in 1996 you could get a new z28 for around 17-18k

JHL88
10-07-2010, 04:29 PM
I agree! I thought ls1 4th gens were expensive when they first come out... in 2002 a new fully optioned SS was 32k. imo the 5th gen is not much more being 8yrs later and the american dollar not worth shit compared to 8yrs ago. Bang 4 the buck were LT1 cars! in 1996 you could get a new z28 for around 17-18k

you're right. my 98 sticker price for a z28 with leather seats was 30k and some change so an ss would be even more expensive.

JHL88
10-07-2010, 04:33 PM
How can the initial cost of the car mean nothing? A used 4th gen is $15k or so LESS than a new 5th gen. But that means nothing? i see that as mod money left over and then some.
Comparing mods isnt hard to do either. everybody wants to go as fast as possible and as cheap as possible. Neither of those go hand in hand. However by spending maby 12K-15K on a 4th gen and having 15K or so LEFT OVER for mods makes lotta sense to me :D, as oppose to spending 30K+ for a new 5th gen to run the same times..even tho the 5th gen is bone stock.:engarde:
The only reason I commented on the MSRP is because a few people were saying that the formula was a 30K car brand new...it wasn't. Not to say that deals are not available for the people who want a 5th gen. But this hobby/ lifestyle is get as much as you can for as little coin as possible, just have to make smart decisions. :punch:
Thats why I think getting a 4th gen and adding a few tastefull mods to keep up/ and or beat a 5th gen is a smarter choice. And there are PLENTY of clean one's on this site for sale. Yes you may pay more for them ie: low miles, options, total condition etc.. but its still cheaper than a 30K+ 5th gen and will run just as hard/fast, and the extra 15K in the bank/ pocket is always a good thing.:D
On the last note.. the 77K 5th gen..lol yeah those days are comming also..If i wanted a 5th gen, which i don't..i would wait and look for exactly what i want to become available and for MY PRICE..not some stealerships * car on premesis deal*..and by that time.. there would be more proven aftermarket goodies available. :chug:

you're also right about making a 4th gen faster than a 5th gen. on another note you're paying more money for a newer car. but also i see it as you're paying more money for the ls3 and its potential, compared to the ls1's potential. regardless of weight disadvantage the ls3's potential surpasses that depending on how far you go

FASTFATBOY
05-11-2011, 06:56 PM
are the 4th gens running 12's bone stock down to the tire and at show room weight?

if so thats news to me

A buddies six speed did, showroom stock it ran 12's, lid only 12.79@110.

Yes it was cold, yes he can drive. Low 1.80 60 ft on that pass.

s346k
05-11-2011, 08:58 PM
i watched one of my buddies go 13.07 @ 107 in a 2000 a4 b4c car. bone stock with 136k miles on it. he made 14 passes that night, that being the fastest. he put drag radials on it and went slower haha.

it's funny how a 13 year old car is still "the bar". will it outrun an LS1 car? if so, you're golden haha funny.

comparing apples to oranges. i am not impressed with the 5th gen cars, either, but i will not compare them to an ls1 car. i will compare them to the new challengers and mustangs. i believe it falls in the middle. the stangs have this sewn up. the challengers...well, they look good hahaha.

JohnFrazee02SS
05-13-2011, 08:02 AM
I keep seeing the 5th gen and getting excited.

Pro Stock John
06-05-2011, 01:09 PM
My old '98 SS MN6 with leather and no SLP options was $27K new. A low option 1SS or 2SS 5th gen is not overly priced in my opinion, figure $31-33K. But spending say 37-38K for a hardtop model is crazy.

Aries
06-05-2011, 01:31 PM
The new SS definitely has it in it with the right driver to go 12's stock.
Mine went 13.1 @ 109 with a 2.1 60' on the first pass. (M6 car)
After the suspension was tightened up and we killed the wheel hop it goes 12.7 @ 113 with a 1.8 60' on motor and stock 20s.

I need to get out to the track now with the nitrous and see the improvement there, but I'm still running stock everything but the Hotchkis track pack underneath.

Brdlvr
06-06-2011, 01:22 PM
12's are definitly in the 5th gen. July 2011 motortrend has the 5th gen at a 12.9 at 110.8 mph. Definitly can run a little faster with better tires. Their claimed curb weight was 4260 lbs.

Pro Stock John
06-09-2011, 12:20 PM
Yup, but I don't go by mags like Motor Trend. I trust GMHTP and other mags where the staff really do run the cars down the track. I remember one of the big mainstream mags was using a G-Tech which I don't think is 100% accurate.

sweetC5
06-09-2011, 12:58 PM
I just ran mine, 90 degree's out/ no track prep/ short shifting at 5800/ and my first time in a manual in 10 YEARS!! I pulled 13.0 at 111 -112 with 2.1-2.2 60s, not that I feel they were good times but considering my conditions I feel they were good. I had to short shift beacuse of the trany not going into gear past 6 grand ( working on a fix now ) I think my car has mid 12s as is for sure...

I am working on a cheap drag setup, 17" stock GTO wheels and 28" slicks are the plan! I am going to get my hands a wheel and start working on it and hopfully have an setup we can run without killing the bank, we need more people pushing these car's with tires on! So my plan is basic, gonna get a cold air, and figure out the tire deal! Low 12s maybe high 11s with alot of seat time would be awsome with a basicly stock car. Its all gonna be in the launch, and slicks are the way to go on a manual car.

Dark SS
06-13-2011, 08:22 AM
I'll be heading back to the track soon on 20" DR's, I figure to be deeper into the 12's on motor. 11's are possible with an 18" set up IMO.