Gen 5 Camaro Power-Adder Tech - Speed Inc. 2010 is in for the TVS2300

We just got the car in after lunch for cool down and tear down. We plan to be on the dyno tomorrow. The blower will be the only addition over stock at this time.

some pics :)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/2010shopcar001.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/2010shopcar002.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/2010shopcar003.jpg

more pics and dyno results to come

It will be interesting to see what a EATON 2300 will do on a 100% stock Camaro through stock exhaust manifolds, cats, and cat-back.

Why aren't you doing 1 7/8 long tubes?
How many PSI will you be running?


Looking forward to dynos and track videos. :)

doing it in steps

6 rib and 6 psi

doing it in steps

6 rib and 6 psi

That's awesome.
I like your style.
Please keep us all informed. This is going to be great.

What stages and mods are you thinking about implementing?

Very cool. Any chance you guys would consider dropping the mufflers for a pull to see how restrictive they might be?

I am excited to see how this turns out.

:corn:

blower
headers
axle back


tune and track the car for each mod done

blower
catback
headers

tune and track the car for each mod done

That's awesome.
Looking forward to it.


Do you guys really think catbacks are worth it?
I was under the impression that catbacke don't make much, if any, more power once you are running proper 1 7/8 headers.

Best bang for the buck is headers, connection pipes and removing the resonators. There are some minimal gains to be had with cat backs (if you've seen how many mufflers are under this thing, you'll understand) but most of the benefit is in front of the cat back. GM finally put out a decent f-body cat back, aftermarket is more for sound...and they DO sound badass. Hard to f--- up true duals. :)

I do not feel they are worth much these days. We are just looking at the most for the customer walking in the door. I have had so many just want catbacks and no plans to do further mods.

I do not feel they are worth much these days. We are just looking at the most for the customer walking in the door. I have had so many just want catbacks and no plans to do further mods.

I was hoping you would do the catback last then.
I think that would prove my theory that you can get all the sound and performance you need from headers alone.:)

I was hoping you would do the catback last then.
I think that would prove my theory that you can get all the sound and performance you need from headers alone.:)

yes..sorry I listed it wrong:) axle back will be last

yes..sorry I listed it wrong:) axle back will be last
Thanks man.:)

I gotta tell ya. It's nice to be having a positive conversation with someone on here for a change.; especially a vendor.:)
I feel like every time I've logged on the last few weeks I'm stepping back into the boxing ring.

Thanks man.:)

I gotta tell ya. It's nice to be having a positive conversation with someone on here for a change.; especially a vendor.:)
I feel like every time I've logged on the last few weeks I'm stepping back into the boxing ring.

glad I could make your day :)

Larry, I have the shiny version of that blower sitting in my garage. Probably start installing it next week, going out of town this week.

427C5, LMR did a cam/headers/offroad setup on a 2010 with the stock catback. It actually sounded better than a few others they made with aftermarket catbacks. The aftermarket ones were too loud for me without cats, but maybe thats because I'm getting old. lol

cool Tony

I think the old comment about the exhaust fits us. I was all about loud before, but now like a mellow sounding terror.

Larry, I have the shiny version of that blower sitting in my garage. Probably start installing it next week, going out of town this week.

427C5, LMR did a cam/headers/offroad setup on a 2010 with the stock catback. It actually sounded better than a few others they made with aftermarket catbacks. The aftermarket ones were too loud for me without cats, but maybe thats because I'm getting old. lol
We're ALL getting old Tony. :)
At this stage, I'd rather have the most performance with the least "bark".

It's funny, a few years ago we had to completely rebuild a car to achieve the same performance level that anyone can just walk into a dealership and buy today.
With stock engines becoming so efficient, and tuning becoming so high tech and easily accessible, I'm at the point where I believe the best bet is just adding a blower, fuel, and headers to stock cars and just ENJOY them.

I know you wanted more low RPM grunt after putting a centri on your Viper.
Maybe the new 2300 on the LS3 will give you the power band we've both come to love.
We all know twin screws are more efficient and the better option than the 2300. But, until a company can provide a proven solution, the 2300 is it.

I hope Speed Inc can get do a Techco build soon so they can compare that system to the 2300. Vortech's twin screw looks promising as well.

:thumb:

I like the satin black look of the blower.

It give the car an "all bussiness" feel to it.

Uht Oooo

We love the black as well...all business.

it's done, but we will not be on the dyno until Thur due to normal business

We will also have a CAI to test Thur as well. This will be based off a RotoFab which we will fabricate the intake tube to blower.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/2010shopcar.jpg

I hope you post up numbers today!

soon :)

In for the results...

note: The car is stock other then Magnuson blower.

stock induction :

484 rwhp
471 rwhp

added Roto CAI combined with Magnuson tube ...graph compares stock w/tune only v's current Magnuson/RotoFab CAI combo.

518 rwhp
486 rwtq

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/dyno-17.jpg

IATs 95 at the start of the run and 120 at the end

The car will be going to the track tomorrow on a drag radial for testing:devil:

Nice :)

Is the Camaro's harmonic balancer the same as the c6 Corvette??

thanks.. all stock exhaust at this time.

balancer is the same as a truck

is that Roto CAI the same one that fits the G8?

Seems like that factory airbox was really holding it back!

Roto was 2010 SS specific

The CAI took some tweaking to get the A/F in line, but it did well.

Impressive numbers, it's hard to believe that it picked up 34 rwhp by just getting of the stock air box & adding a CAI.

thanks

The intake doesn't really surprise me...stock cars are seeing 20+ rwhp and with a blower I would only think more would be expected.

Good number for the mods. :angel:
I'm looking forward to the track times and video.
Thanks for posting.

thanks..

do something about that avatar

Apparently whoever added, it removed it.

Apparently whoever added, it removed it.

No, I removed it. It was am immature action. . . And please do not make me regret it . . .

Why in the world is your username pink? hahahaha oh and larry, nice numbers dude..

Do you have a price yet for that Rotofab CAI?

I was planning on getting a TVS2300 soon and would hate to be missing out on all that easy hp...

Thanks Mike

as far as the RotoFab kit it was almost a bolt on except we used a longer piece of silicone between the Magnuson elbow and RotoFab MAF housing. They do plan to build a tube as a direct fit soon.

let me know if we can help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LURYFaAUFi4&feature=channel_page

enjoy:)

Impressive numbers for stock exhaust and very nice gains from the CAI.

Looking foward to the track times. Nice work

Badass! :hump: I wonder how much HP the stock fuel system will support? I would throw in a cam and put on headers and call it quits.

thanks

no cam is planned for this setup at least not yet

Impressive!

I'm surprised how much of a difference the CAI made...and I like the increased blower noise with the CAI. :devil:

^^^ Yeah, went from "is that a blower in there?", to "WTF WAS THAT!!!!"

it even sounds different with the CAI, more whine..

so... bad day to go to the track and try and get a feel for the new setup. The ride was over 2 hrs in traffic and then over 1 hr in tech. We gave the car about a 15 minute cool down and went for it.

car just turned 1000 miles on the trip up to the track
1/2 tank of 93 BP
race weight..I would say 4K

tires were M&H 345/35/18 : http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?crn=70&rn=380&action=show_detail

2 runs is what I got...Jim got one off and Dan had a clutch pedal on the floor issue.

#1 tried a 3800ish launch with a smooth, but quick clutch release which resulted in a little spin and hop which I quickly pedaled through. I power shifted at approx 6500 ( stock tach ), but it did not seem to like the power shift at times...slight hesitation since I think the flare would hit the limiter. I tried to run out 3rd gear, but just short of the stripe the car nosed over from the limiter.

2.1 60ft
91 1/8
12.38
119.5

#2 was about 1 hr after the above mentioned clutch pedal stuck on the floor for Dan I decided to try it again. The hood stayed shut for the time it was sitting and the clutch still had a horrible smell. I worked the car through staging for about an hr and then finally got the second run. I came out at approx 3200 ( worried about clutch ) with a quick, but smooth clutch release again and had just a touch of spin/hop and stayed in it. The run felt good here...did not power shift 1-2 and shifted about 6200 on all gears + pulled 4th this time.


1.84 60ft
93 1/8
11.87
118.4

We really feel a gear or shorter tire would really help the car work well both on the front and back of the track

so we are very happy with the car considering lack of time last night to get a feel for the car. We will get back out and work the ET some very soon.

Nice work LS1 Speed, thanks for sharing the info

Wow, nice numbers. Was this at GLD?

thanks guys

GLD was where it went down last night

I plan to go to Byron tomorrow and see if I can better the ET.

What kind of wheel did you use for the 18" tire?

I'm also very interested in the RF CAI, any idea when they'll be available?

C6Z replica 18x9 I believe.. note Ebrake cable needs to be moved

I'm pretty sure we can get the RF now per my conversation with Mike last week.

Cool, thanks for the info Larry. I was just about to try and fit some C6 wheels on the back.

I'll probably give you guys a call next week about the CAI.

no problem..We will be glad to set you up with a CAI and tune:)

Larry, any idea when the Maggie-specific version of the Roto-fab CAI is going to be available?

sorry, but there is not an ETA yet

Oh thank god!....I was definetly the black T/A that u freight trained on the highway on the way home from GLD last night!....car looked great and too everyone wondering I can vouch first hand the car moves as Larry pulled my cam only T/A and friends srt4 extremely easy! Glad to know this was the supercharged one you guys were working on, was affraid it was stock!

Oh thank god!....I was definetly the black T/A that u freight trained on the highway on the way home from GLD last night!....car looked great and too everyone wondering I can vouch first hand the car moves as Larry pulled my cam only T/A and friends srt4 extremely easy! Glad to know this was the supercharged one you guys were working on, was affraid it was stock!

LOL...I would have went earlier, but wanted to wait until we crossed the Mexican border :) I hate the damn 45mph 90% of the ride home and seen 3 people get pinched last night.

I kinda figured you both thought it was your typical crawling new SS since it sounds stock.:drive:

see you around

It sounds amazing. I bet it'd scare anyone it came right up behind.

Sunday results

I got the 60ft figured out pretty well at least for yesterday.

4100ish rpm with a smooth quick release

1.71
1.72

We got another new best ET with the car as well.

11.80@117

The above run was after about a 1/2 hr cool down after a 1+ hr. drive.

race weight 4070 with a 1/4 tank of fuel :eek2:

We need some weight reduction and more power a.s.a.p :)

Nice!! Was the clutch still giving you fits this time out?

The clutch stuck to the floor once friday night on an aggressive launch, but I have had no further issues.

so far it seems to work well for the power and weight of this car

The Innovators West 10% overdriven crank pulley is on and 3.8 blower pulley will be swapped for a 3.6 tomorrow. We hope to see around 10 psi.

still stock exhaust

We have to get some injectors before we retune since the ones supplied were at 96%.

We have some BFG's to try which a customer so nicely donated as well.

275/35/18 and these will be almost 2" shorter and look goofy, but should get the job done

hope to hit the track again next week if we can get injectors and on the dyno Friday
__________________

I see you went with an overdrive crank pulley...is the stock crank pulley limiting boost potential?

A lot of times people go with a bigger crank pulley so they don't have to downsize the blower pulley too much so you get less belt slip. But I can't read their minds to know why they did it.;) Maybe for once my reply will be correct. :)

OIC...didn't think of belt slippage.

A lot of times people go with a bigger crank pulley so they don't have to downsize the blower pulley too much so you get less belt slip. But I can't read their minds to know why they did it.;) Maybe for once my reply will be correct. :)

correct..we want more boost and limit the chance of belt slip with a small upper.

The pulley is also an 8 rib which we will need at some point as well, but will just use a 6 rib belt for now.

What size injectors??

don't know yet :)

-3.6 6 rib upper ( was 3.8 )

-Innovators 10% overdrive 8 rib truck crank pulley
( we will be going 8 rib at some point )

We also took and modified an 03/04 Cobra HE reservoir for some added cooling capacity. We think it looks good and should help out some.

We are waiting on some LS9 injectors to get us by for now.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/2010shopcar004.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/2010shopcar007.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/2010shopcar008.jpg

This is good stuff... :corn: :cheers:

injectors will be here tomorrow and we should have new #'s later afternoon:)

Are there any negative effects from the overdrive pulley on the other accessories?

There have been no known issues with this modification.

I just talked to Brian over at Magnacharger and he said the TVS2300 kit comes with 59lb LS9 injectors. Just wanted to let you know as a heads up.

I just talked to Brian over at Magnacharger and he said the TVS2300 kit comes with 59lb LS9 injectors. Just wanted to let you know as a heads up.


I'm on the phone now because we were told differently and had a set sent over night.

Magnuson is now claiming Ls9, but it makes no sense when we are almost out of inj. at 6 psi / 96%

You would think you would be able to make 600-650 HP before running out of injector but who knows.

We do agree, but it is most likely due to pump delivery after speaking to Magnuson being the ZR1 increases pressure.

We will try larger injectors and keep an eye on pressure...so small delay on the re-tune