UMI PHB Relocation kit interference
08-05-2009, 08:30 PM
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UMI PHB Relocation kit interference Hey guys, I just finished installing most of my suspension components on the car. I installed a UMI PHB relocation kit. The car is an 86 Camaro, worked great. Bolted in and holes lined up perfectly. When I installed my new rear end (MWC fabbed 9") and then put in the Panhard bar, I noticed that the bar was dangerously close to the brace.
At that moment, the car was jacked and the rear end was only held by the shocks. After putting the brakes and wheels together I dropped the car at ride height. Everything looked fine, but when I looked under the car to start adjusting everything I saw that the PHB was hitting the brace dead on. I dont understand whats up with this. The axle is a fabbed 9" built to the stock 10 bolts specs. The PHB bracket is at the same place.
I double checked the pinion angle and everything was fine there too.
Here are some pics, let me know what you guys think. I know they are kinda dark, just turn the brightness up!
Edit: The car is lowered on air springs, but its @ right height at the moment and not completely dropped. I have a good 1 1/2" from the tire to the fender.
At that moment, the car was jacked and the rear end was only held by the shocks. After putting the brakes and wheels together I dropped the car at ride height. Everything looked fine, but when I looked under the car to start adjusting everything I saw that the PHB was hitting the brace dead on. I dont understand whats up with this. The axle is a fabbed 9" built to the stock 10 bolts specs. The PHB bracket is at the same place.
I double checked the pinion angle and everything was fine there too.
Here are some pics, let me know what you guys think. I know they are kinda dark, just turn the brightness up!
Edit: The car is lowered on air springs, but its @ right height at the moment and not completely dropped. I have a good 1 1/2" from the tire to the fender.
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08-05-2009, 11:59 PM
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A good reason not to put one on any lowered car, it puts your PHB at to much of a angle!
Contact UMI, maybe they can fabricate, or recommend someone that can fabricate a mount bracket to lower the the PHB on the drivers side the same amount as the passenger side.
Otherwise ditch the PHB relocation, and put your PHB back in the stock location.
Contact UMI, maybe they can fabricate, or recommend someone that can fabricate a mount bracket to lower the the PHB on the drivers side the same amount as the passenger side.
Otherwise ditch the PHB relocation, and put your PHB back in the stock location.
08-06-2009, 04:46 AM
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A good reason not to put one on any lowered car, it puts your PHB at to much of a angle!
Contact UMI, maybe they can fabricate, or recommend someone that can fabricate a mount bracket to lower the the PHB on the drivers side the same amount as the passenger side.
Otherwise ditch the PHB relocation, and put your PHB back in the stock location.
Contact UMI, maybe they can fabricate, or recommend someone that can fabricate a mount bracket to lower the the PHB on the drivers side the same amount as the passenger side.
Otherwise ditch the PHB relocation, and put your PHB back in the stock location.
08-06-2009, 07:23 AM
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I am going to have to say that quite a bit of the issues are because it is being used with a fabricated rear end. We have never tried it with that type of rear end before... if the panhard bar mounts on the rear end are changed at all it will change the height as well. In the pictures it looks like the panhard bar is going in a pretty steep angle upward towards the drivers side. I would recommend getting a bracket that lowers the panhard bar on the drivers side, Jegs sales one that works well.
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I am going to have to say that quite a bit of the issues are because it is being used with a fabricated rear end. We have never tried it with that type of rear end before... if the panhard bar mounts on the rear end are changed at all it will change the height as well. In the pictures it looks like the panhard bar is going in a pretty steep angle upward towards the drivers side. I would recommend getting a bracket that lowers the panhard bar on the drivers side, Jegs sales one that works well.
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I am going to have to say that quite a bit of the issues are because it is being used with a fabricated rear end. We have never tried it with that type of rear end before... if the panhard bar mounts on the rear end are changed at all it will change the height as well. In the pictures it looks like the panhard bar is going in a pretty steep angle upward towards the drivers side. I would recommend getting a bracket that lowers the panhard bar on the drivers side, Jegs sales one that works well.
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08-06-2009, 04:00 PM
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This brace will work on a lowered car, however they may hit slightly over heavy bumps. When designing this brace we removed the rear springs and compressed the car to the bump stops with no hitting, however a heavy jerk on a lowered car could touch them together.
Lowering the drivers side of the panhard bar will give you optimal clearance. The relocation bracket lowers the passenger side only leaving the panhard bar at a slight angle. Lowering the drivers side will level the panhard bar out, improve clearance and even improve handling by correcting the angle.
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08-06-2009, 08:31 PM
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We do need to build one, it is so simple, just haven't had the time. Its only needed in this situation and possible lowered cars. I will get on it asap.
This brace will work on a lowered car, however they may hit slightly over heavy bumps. When designing this brace we removed the rear springs and compressed the car to the bump stops with no hitting, however a heavy jerk on a lowered car could touch them together.
Lowering the drivers side of the panhard bar will give you optimal clearance. The relocation bracket lowers the passenger side only leaving the panhard bar at a slight angle. Lowering the drivers side will level the panhard bar out, improve clearance and even improve handling by correcting the angle.
This brace will work on a lowered car, however they may hit slightly over heavy bumps. When designing this brace we removed the rear springs and compressed the car to the bump stops with no hitting, however a heavy jerk on a lowered car could touch them together.
Lowering the drivers side of the panhard bar will give you optimal clearance. The relocation bracket lowers the passenger side only leaving the panhard bar at a slight angle. Lowering the drivers side will level the panhard bar out, improve clearance and even improve handling by correcting the angle.
08-06-2009, 09:41 PM
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Very nice looking underneath and those Konis caught my eye as well as what look to be C6 Z06 calipers. Any pictures of them in the wheels? Sorry for the hijack.
EDIT: NM, saw them on cardomain. Very nice!
as well as what look to be C6 Z06 calipers. Any pictures of them in the wheels? Sorry for the hijack.EDIT: NM, saw them on cardomain. Very nice!
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08-06-2009, 11:24 PM
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Hey:
I agree as well, you do need to build one, a 2 bolt on one, a 3 position one at least, 5 position would be perfect. It needs to be adjustable with settings for stock and 2 lowered positions - 1", and - 2" and 2 in between. It should have been included with the bar from the begining when this kit was first offered, as it seems the Jegs kit was made to correct this geometry problem with all aftermarket phb relocation kits and really needs to be welded on to keep that flat parallel adjustment.
How many lowered cars have decided to go this route, to correct or allow them a way to run duals on their ride only to find they now have a new problem created by the very item they purchased to fix another. I am glad you watch the threads on this, as it does show you guys really do want to improve your products and offer the best item you can. I commend you for that and admitting that it needs to be fixed. Now I am waiting for the new and improved model to be offered by you, so I can purchase one in the future, when I go to duals on my lowered car.
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I agree as well, you do need to build one, a 2 bolt on one, a 3 position one at least, 5 position would be perfect. It needs to be adjustable with settings for stock and 2 lowered positions - 1", and - 2" and 2 in between. It should have been included with the bar from the begining when this kit was first offered, as it seems the Jegs kit was made to correct this geometry problem with all aftermarket phb relocation kits and really needs to be welded on to keep that flat parallel adjustment.
How many lowered cars have decided to go this route, to correct or allow them a way to run duals on their ride only to find they now have a new problem created by the very item they purchased to fix another. I am glad you watch the threads on this, as it does show you guys really do want to improve your products and offer the best item you can. I commend you for that and admitting that it needs to be fixed. Now I am waiting for the new and improved model to be offered by you, so I can purchase one in the future, when I go to duals on my lowered car.
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08-09-2009, 11:45 AM
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Ok, so I made a test bracket with 3/16 thick masonite. Fits perfect and is adjustable to my needs. Now I just have to reproduce them in steel and weld everything together.
08-24-2009, 03:03 PM
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Is it possible someone could put up that part number or description mentioned. I put this on my car also and havent put it down on its on weight and didnt notice im glad you said something... I love your products ( their on both of my camaros) UMI but i am suprised this hasnt come up before.
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Jegs already makes one for our cars, I made a post about it since I was having the same issues. It would be nice for umi to make one of these and include it in the kit or offer it so I could pick one up. I still havent gotten one but need to bad it's not as bad as the OP but I'm sure it's worse when there is some weight in the car.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Jegster/550/41055/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Jegster/550/41055/10002/-1
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Jegs already makes one for our cars, I made a post about it since I was having the same issues. It would be nice for umi to make one of these and include it in the kit or offer it so I could pick one up. I still havent gotten one but need to bad it's not as bad as the OP but I'm sure it's worse when there is some weight in the car.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Jegster/550/41055/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Jegster/550/41055/10002/-1
08-25-2009, 07:49 PM
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Jegs already makes one for our cars, I made a post about it since I was having the same issues. It would be nice for umi to make one of these and include it in the kit or offer it so I could pick one up. I still havent gotten one but need to bad it's not as bad as the OP but I'm sure it's worse when there is some weight in the car.
Jeg's bracket doesn't work with MWC rear ends tho. Youll have to go custom like I did.
08-26-2009, 07:46 AM
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Is it possible someone could put up that part number or description mentioned. I put this on my car also and havent put it down on its on weight and didnt notice im glad you said something... I love your products ( their on both of my camaros) UMI but i am suprised this hasnt come up before.
Great to hear that you are satisfied with the quality and performance of your parts. The Part # that they are inquiring about is #2024. We usually don't have any issues but once again we design all of our suspension parts to work with stock ride height cars and vehicles with factory rear ends. But it will also work on the Moser Rear ends and the Strange Dana 60. If you have any other questions feel free to ask and I will be more than glad to help!
Thanks
Brad
