Gen 5 Camaro Power-Adder Tech - Check this out. Turbo V6 Camaro to go up against Nissan GT-R at the nurburgring!

http://www.camaro5.com/?p=1789

ETMC putting together a 500hp turbo V6 camaro to try to match GTR's nurburging time!

I dunno if they're gonna be able to do it but it's gonna a crazy accomplishment if they do.

Not going to happen. Camaro SS's would even have a serious problem doing that. They're going STS at that...:thumbsdow

Hopefully that picture isn't from a race lap

[QUOTE]Not going to happen. Camaro SS's would even have a serious problem doing that. They're going STS at that... [/QUOTE

Nothing is impossible, they thought the Sledgehammer Lingenfelter Corvette would hardly go 200 mph in 1988...........it went over 254 mph! Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8dI-47Z2hI

The GTR time at the Ring is 7.38 the Z06 time is 7.42. The Z06, even with a 665 lb weight advantage, cannot compete with the AWD system of the GTR in the curves. How in the world can a RWD 5th gen Camaro compete with a GTR with approximatelty the same weight and HP?

The GTR time at the Ring is 7.38 the Z06 time is 7.42. The Z06, even with a 665 lb weight advantage, cannot compete with the AWD system of the GTR in the curves. How in the world can a RWD 5th gen Camaro compete with a GTR with approximatelty the same weight and HP?

:google:

GTR was on race tires with a race driver. Corvette was on stock tires w/an engineer driving. I'm sure if they're going to try to match the GTR's time in a Camaro, they'll have race tires and a professional driver as well.

Not going to happen. Camaro SS's would even have a serious problem doing that. They're going STS at that... [/QUOTE

Nothing is impossible, they thought the Sledgehammer Lingenfelter Corvette would hardly go 200 mph in 1988...........it went over 254 mph! Here is the link:


I'm familiar with the Sledgehammer Corvette.

Going fast in a straight line is just a matter of power and aerodynamics.

Going fast around the Nurburgring is a matter of power, powerband, overall weight, weight distribution, suspension setup, transmission type, the number of gears, gear ratio, chassis rigidity, tire compound, tire width, sidewall height, sidewall stiffness, driver competency, driver familiarity, aerodynamics, and about a million other variables.

Come back when the two are actually related in any way.

:google:

GTR was on race tires with a race driver. Corvette was on stock tires w/an engineer driving. I'm sure if they're going to try to match the GTR's time in a Camaro, they'll have race tires and a professional driver as well.

I thought Jan Mangussen was a professional driver. That Camaro better have some special race tires.

the gt-r's time was either fake or not a stock car--- it wa sproven by porshe, and when they called out nissan they had nothing to say

the gt-r's time was either fake or not a stock car--- it wa sproven by porshe, and when they called out nissan they had nothing to say

The PORSCHE engineers disclosed the GTR turned a 7:54 compared to their same day testing time of the 911 Turbo @ 7:38 and the GT2 @ 7:34. There are no "official times" at the Nurbugring anyway. But my point remains valid, a RWD 5th gen supercharged Camaro cannot be expected to compete with an AWD GTR with similar weight and power.

Aint gonna happen. Ever.

:google:

GTR was on race tires with a race driver. Corvette was on stock tires w/an engineer driving. I'm sure if they're going to try to match the GTR's time in a Camaro, they'll have race tires and a professional driver as well.

GTR was on oem tires, I think I still have the car magazine that talks about the run. If I still have it I will post the type tires, but they were oem.

:google:

GTR was on race tires with a race driver. Corvette was on stock tires w/an engineer driving. I'm sure if they're going to try to match the GTR's time in a Camaro, they'll have race tires and a professional driver as well.

GTR used these tires I believe during its run.
http://www.2009gtr.com/2008/10/nissan-gt-r-nurburgring-test-procedures.html

Dunlop SP SPORT 600 DSST CTT

it could happen... the question is will it even be close to worth the cost it would take to make it possible, and the answer is of course, NO.

probably not but a cobalt ss with 500hp might get it done!!

500hp is a joke with the di motor with a turbo. I bet they squeeze more out of it than that.

Lets not forget the camaro is now IRS, not a tail happy solid axle like our cars.

even if they cant outrun it, at least we can say we came close with a hellofa lot cheaper car! GM knows the ring pretty good, they know what they can get away with

the gt-r's time was either fake or not a stock car--- it wa sproven by porshe, and when they called out nissan they had nothing to say

wrong----------

It wasn't proven by "Porsche".
They just said that they didn't believe it.

http://www.2009gtr.com/2008/10/nissan-gt-r-nurburgring-test-procedures.html

this is what Nissan had to say.

Aint gonna happen. Ever.

But it'll be fun seeing someone try!

Chadder, no need to tell me where to go. Simply stating my point... Never say Never!

Not that I really care anyway, I have no appreciation for the GTR in any form at all.

probably not but a cobalt ss with 500hp might get it done!!
No, a 500hp FWD car would understeer/torque steer right off the track...


500hp is a joke with the di motor with a turbo. I bet they squeeze more out of it than that.

Lets not forget the camaro is now IRS, not a tail happy solid axle like our cars.

The stock Fbodies are tail happy because of shitty shock valving, not because of the solid axle. With proper shocks on otherwise stock suspension these cars stick like glue around turns.

wrong----------

It wasn't proven by "Porsche".
They just said that they didn't believe it.

http://www.2009gtr.com/2008/10/nissan-gt-r-nurburgring-test-procedures.html

this is what Nissan had to say.

whatever little fella--- everyone knows nissan is full of shit anyway

whatever little fella--- everyone knows nissan is full of shit anyway

ok little guy, why don't you elaborate and tell us why Nissan is "full of shit anyway".

you're a cute little fella,
are you just trying to make up for the "shortcomings" that you were born with by being rude?


Bob's your uncle
:thumb::cheers:

[QUOTE=JD_AMG;12050604]No, a 500hp FWD car would understeer/torque steer right off the track...QUOTE]


maybe but i believe it was only 2 seconds behind the camaro ss around the ring...........:drive:
my guess it wouldnt even need 500hp

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/22/chevrolet-camaro-ss-laps-the-ring-in-8-20/

the "stock" gtr always gets faster when the corvette goes faster. Z06 went 7:42 so the gtr went 7:38.

Then came the zr1 at 7:26 and magically the same gtr that originally ran a 7:38 now ran a 7:29 and then a 7:26... lol....

Gimmie a break. A 3800 pound 480 horsepower WILL NOT run with a ZR1. For some reason the nurburgring is now all marketing bull shit hype. I mean Porsche took the GTR to a very respectable and more importantly a believable 7:54 for a car of that weight and horsepower no matter how advanced the awd is.

A 3800 pound car with "480" horsepower.. common sense here people.... Im not saying the AWD wont make the GTR a little better on a small tight track, but with all that extra weight and less horsepower, you do the math. How easy is it for nissan to turn up the boost. Whos going to verify they are running stock boost. Who is going to verify, other then nissan, that the tires were infact stock road tires. There really are no ruling bodies at the ring, no one the monitor verify whatever.. companies rent the track and go for it. Can we believe the zr1 and z06 times from GM? Maybe, maybe not but i have an easier time believing a zr1 with nearly 200 more horsepower and 500 pounds less will run a 7:26 before a gtr will...

Geesh, obviously some people seem to think that the GTR is the fastest car ever to run at Nurburging. It was the fastest production car to run until the ZR1. We're now talking about a purpose built Camaro. I'm sure it will have no problem besting the GTRs time. It's what it's being made to do.

Leaving the GT-R out of this.........do you really think a 500hp sixxer 5th gen is gonna out do a C6 Z06? I'm hoping they plan to gut the car to hell and back if they plan to accomplish this.

A 500hp Camaro with IRS and a purpose built race suspension with a full coil overs, big race brakes, racing wheels and tires? Absolutely.

check out the other camaro they just finished....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UTZMbCSEN0

the "stock" gtr always gets faster when the corvette goes faster. Z06 went 7:42 so the gtr went 7:38.

Then came the zr1 at 7:26 and magically the same gtr that originally ran a 7:38 now ran a 7:29 and then a 7:26... lol....

Gimmie a break. A 3800 pound 480 horsepower WILL NOT run with a ZR1. For some reason the nurburgring is now all marketing bull shit hype. I mean Porsche took the GTR to a very respectable and more importantly a believable 7:54 for a car of that weight and horsepower no matter how advanced the awd is.

A 3800 pound car with "480" horsepower.. common sense here people.... Im not saying the AWD wont make the GTR a little better on a small tight track, but with all that extra weight and less horsepower, you do the math. How easy is it for nissan to turn up the boost. Whos going to verify they are running stock boost. Who is going to verify, other then nissan, that the tires were infact stock road tires. There really are no ruling bodies at the ring, no one the monitor verify whatever.. companies rent the track and go for it. Can we believe the zr1 and z06 times from GM? Maybe, maybe not but i have an easier time believing a zr1 with nearly 200 more horsepower and 500 pounds less will run a 7:26 before a gtr will...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSjCGfvWlXk

Should you care, Here is Motor Trend video of GTR which answers some of your questions and disbeliefs about the GTR and how and why the numbers are what they are.

Man the GTR guys on blogs and forums are so pompous I can't stand it. I hope these guys pull it off just to shut some of their traps up :)

^^ Agreed, and still no answers to the $20 000 question.....where can I buy a transmission that won't :doublepuk

^^ Agreed, and still no answers to the $20 000 question.....where can I buy a transmission that won't :doublepuk

you probably could check here--
http://wot.motortrend.com/6295256/recalls/gm-settles-class-action-suit-over-transmission-failures-in-saturn-vue-and-ion/index.html

or here--
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/07/gm-says-camaro-ss-transmission-problem-fixed.html

Man the GTR guys on blogs and forums are so pompous I can't stand it. I hope these guys pull it off just to shut some of their traps up :)

sorry, but I am not a "GTR guy", I'm just trying to explain and clarify, which seems that most people don't care to know. I don't really have any interest in owning a GTR at this point in time, I am looking to buy a Vette or 03/04 Cobra though. Would that make me a "pompous Vette guy" or a "pompous Cobra guy" or both?


Bob's your uncle
:cheers:

you probably could check here--
http://wot.motortrend.com/6295256/recalls/gm-settles-class-action-suit-over-transmission-failures-in-saturn-vue-and-ion/index.html

or here--
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/07/gm-says-camaro-ss-transmission-problem-fixed.html

So a $5000 transmission on a $25,000 car or a complete and free recall on a $30,000 performance car is the same as Nissan NOT recalling their $80,000 GTR for a weak $20,000 transmission, or even bother replacing the broken ones???
Stop being a fanboy.

So a $5000 transmission on a $25,000 car or a complete and free recall on a $30,000 performance car is the same as Nissan NOT recalling their $80,000 GTR for a weak $20,000 transmission, or even bother replacing the broken ones???
Stop being a fanboy.

sorry I don't know what you are talking about. I looked up those websites because you were talking about something about broken transmissions and I thought you were talking about those gm recalls.
my confusion I guess.
can you let me know what you are talking about with the "$80,000 GTR for a weak $20,000 transmission, or even bother replacing the broken ones???
I'm not quite following you about what I am a "fanboy" of, could you also let me in on that one.
thanks

sorry I don't know what you are talking about. I looked up those websites because you were talking about something about broken transmissions and I thought you were talking about those gm recalls.
my confusion I guess.
can you let me know what you are talking about with the "$80,000 GTR for a weak $20,000 transmission, or even bother replacing the broken ones???
I'm not quite following you about what I am a "fanboy" of, could you also let me in on that one.
thanks

Please reread the thread, I didn't say anything about any transmission before I quoted you.
The $20,000 transmission failure NW-99SS is talking about is the GTR's. GTR owners are breaking their transmissions and Nissan is turning the other cheek to them, while the dealership is charging them $20,000 to replace/fix them, google it.

^^ Agreed, and still no answers to the $20 000 question.....where can I buy a transmission that won't :doublepuk

Please reread the thread, I didn't say anything about any transmission before I quoted you.
The $20,000 transmission failure NW-99SS is talking about is the GTR's. GTR owners are breaking their transmissions and Nissan is turning the other cheek to them, while the dealership is charging them $20,000 to replace/fix them, google it.

thanks for clearing it up for me.
:)

Some top gear comparisons. Wonder what Porsche would say about the times Stig layed down? Yeah I understand this is a short track but still it's worth pointing out.

1:19.0 - Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SuperVeloce
1:19.0 - Ferrari Enzo
1:19.5 - Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4
1:19.5 - Porsche 997 GT2
1:19.5 - Ariel Atom 2 300 [7]
1:19.7 - Nissan GT-R
1:19.7 - Ferrari 430 Scuderia
1:19.8 - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
1:19.8 - Porsche Carrera GT
1:20.4 - Koenigsegg CCX (without Spoiler)[8][9]
1:20.7 - Ascari KZ1 (damp)
1:20.9 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
1:21.2 - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
1:21.9 - Ford GT
1:22.3 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
1:22.3 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996 mk.II)
1:22.4 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
1:22.5 - Noble M15
1:22.9 - Ferrari F430 F1[10]
1:23.0 - Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series
1:23.1 - KTM X-Bow (Not shown on TV)
1:23.1 - Porsche 911 GT3

Of course it possible. The bigger question would be would it be financially feasible. You would have to have an amazing suspension, weight reduction, great tires, and lots of power. It probably would be extremely expensive and not particularly streetable either.

Of course it possible. The bigger question would be would it be financially feasible. You would have to have an amazing suspension, weight reduction, great tires, and lots of power. It probably would be extremely expensive and not particularly streetable either.

Why not? If the GTR is streetable, why couldn't a beefed up V6 5th gen be streetable?

If Nissan can do it, why can't a custom builder do it?

So a $5000 transmission on a $25,000 car or a complete and free recall on a $30,000 performance car is the same as Nissan NOT recalling their $80,000 GTR for a weak $20,000 transmission, or even bother replacing the broken ones???
Stop being a fanboy.

you better not have respect for a jap car or else they will call you a ricer!!!!!

you better not have respect for a jap car or else they will call you a ricer!!!!!

You can have respect for a japanese car, (or any car for that matter) on here and not be called a ricer. They call you a ricer because you act like a douche bag.

The GTR time at the Ring is 7.38 the Z06 time is 7.42. The Z06, even with a 665 lb weight advantage, cannot compete with the AWD system of the GTR in the curves. How in the world can a RWD 5th gen Camaro compete with a GTR with approximatelty the same weight and HP?

Hmm, I recall the Vette being faster than the GTR. ???

It's not very likely the Camaro has stock suspensio or tires. Have you seen what kits like Pedders have done? I think it will be done...guess we'll have to wait to see. When is the V6 racing?

Hmm, I recall the Vette being faster than the GTR. ???

ZR1, not Z06.