General LSX Automobile Discussion - Small cam or stall untuned?

I'm thinking about getting a 3k-3600 stall or a 224/224 cam but I don't want to have it dyno tuned until I get both installed. Which one would be better to run on the stock tune? I'm leaning toward the stall/tranny cooler first and then the cam early next year. Any input is welcome.

Stall stall stall, cams suck without a stall! I would get yank ss3600

I'm leaning towards a 3200 but as long as it's tight around town, it shouldn't matter, right?

STALL...Best mod for fun factor IMO. I picked up .7 and 3mph

the yank ss3600 drving around town isnt bad at all almost like stock and on the hwy it will feel stock. When you put your foot in it wow :)

im getting a performabuilt 3600 installed right now and from what ive heard its really tight and feels stock until you give it some gas same with the yank ss converters. Go with the stall first

I'm leaning towards a 3200 but as long as it's tight around town, it shouldn't matter, right?

I run a Vigalante 32-3400. It is excellent around town. I sent it back once after I fried the stock 4L60E for a free cleanout and restall and I had them to set the stall speed back to the same specs. You don't really know its in there till you nail the throttle. I would do gears before I did cam. a set of 3.73s will really make a difference over the 2.73 stock gears.

There's a Yank SS3600 in the classifieds right now for $550.

Will a stock replacement fuel pump be good for the cam I'm looking at with full exhaust or should I just step up to a Walbro 255? My pump is holding 55-60 psi running but drops to nothing within a few secs. Is this normal or is my pump going out? I was told it was supposed to hold pressure for around 15 mins but don't know if the guy knew what he was talking about.

Will a stock replacement fuel pump be good for the cam I'm looking at with full exhaust or should I just step up to a Walbro 255? My pump is holding 55-60 psi running but drops to nothing within a few secs. Is this normal or is my pump going out? I was told it was supposed to hold pressure for around 15 mins but don't know if the guy knew what he was talking about.

Drops to nothing while the engine is running? Or just with the switch on/engine off? If you're going to change the pump I would at least get a better one, that said a decent stock one would be enough for that cam, the injectors may be very close to the limit.

No it drops as soon as I turn the key off.....drops from ~60 to ~2 psi within 10 secs. Mine's a 98 which if I'm not mistaken has bigger injectors so would they be ok?

No it drops as soon as I turn the key off.....drops from ~60 to ~2 psi within 10 secs. Mine's a 98 which if I'm not mistaken has bigger injectors so would they be ok?

I don't think it will hold pressure when it's off.

You'll be over the 80% duty cycle that people strive for, but you should be alright assuming yours are ok.

Get a stall first, as a lot of others have said already get a yank SS3600. Evryone who has them seems to rave about them.

No it drops as soon as I turn the key off.....drops from ~60 to ~2 psi within 10 secs. Mine's a 98 which if I'm not mistaken has bigger injectors so would they be ok?

I've also got a 98 and the 98s fuel returns to the gas tank. So I would say thats normal. I'm also running the 98 stock 28.5 FIs and I'm not stock.

Thanks nc98z. I knew somebody on here would know for sure. What duty cycle percentage are you with those mods?

Will a stall from a GTO work on an f-body? I looked at that stall and it's off an 04 GTO.

Get a Yank SS3600

Yeh bro, def go with the Yank ss360^^^

there's a good chance you're gonna need a tune with the stall too to get your shifts setup correct

there's a good chance you're gonna need a tune with the stall too to get your shifts setup correct

Truth..




If you can't afford the tune right away, you'll be straight. I've driven mine months now untuned, but there are problems with it occaisionally hitting the rev limiter and not wanting to lock up. If you want the most out of a stall, you'll probably need a tune.


That said, stall that bitch. I bought an old Yank 3500 for $200 off of this website and it's been great for almost 10k miles. This one in particular is pretty loose, but it is an older model. I assume you're running stock gears? 2.73 or 3.23s will give it more of a loose feeling then 3.73s, which are what I got. With the hills around here, I can't imagine this thing with highway gears.


Stall it.. Get as much out of your car as you can BEFORE adding power. That's why people do gears, stalls and bolt-ons first. A higher torque converter completely changes the experience. I'd suggest a Yank SS3600 or atleast a 3500.

It's got 2.73s. I do a lot of highway driving with no hills so they're fine. I've definately been thinking that I should do the stall first. I'm hoping to get into the 12s with the stall, LTs, ORY, and Nitto DRs.

I've also got a 98 and the 98s fuel returns to the gas tank. So I would say thats normal. I'm also running the 98 stock 28.5 FIs and I'm not stock.

I have a CTSV with the same 28.8 injectors as you and they're in the 90% DC range with only a 224 cam. My 01 T/A with the same injectors is in the 80s with just bolt ons. Just because you are doing it doesn't mean that it should be done.

What kind of power does your car make?

your fuel pump should hold pressure after the key is turned off. there are diaphrams in the fuel system that are supposed to keep fuel from running back in to the tank. do you have to crank on your car for a while before it will start?

Sometimes it takes it a second to start but nothing major. It's always started so far.

one of the tell tale signs of the diaphrams going bad is after the car sets for a while (over night), you will have to crank on the car a couple more seconds because the fuel has to be pushed through the feed line again.

I have a CTSV with the same 28.8 injectors as you and they're in the 90% DC range with only a 224 cam. My 01 T/A with the same injectors is in the 80s with just bolt ons. Just because you are doing it doesn't mean that it should be done.

What kind of power does your car make?

Yes that may be true. But you have to realize that you Fast 90/90 combo sucks more air in than my stock LS6 with a stock TB. If I were to buy a 90/90 setup I would have to run bigger injectors. The wideband in the exaust pipe on the dyno tells no lies. If your still running the correct AF all the way across your powerband then your fine. Come on down to Fayetteville Motorsports Park one Sunday and we make a believer out of you.

Yes that may be true. But you have to realize that you Fast 90/90 combo sucks more air in than my stock LS6 with a stock TB. If I were to buy a 90/90 setup I would have to run bigger injectors. The wideband in the exaust pipe on the dyno tells no lies. If your still running the correct AF all the way across your powerband then your fine. Come on down to Fayetteville Motorsports Park one Sunday and we make a believer out of you.

Well, I don't have a FAST on my CTSV and the FAST on the T/A doesn't do much of anything and my injectors were at 80% on 13:1 AFR before the FAST. And a wideband in place of the stock ones that I run all the time doesn't lie either.

Not saying it can't be done, it's done all the time.

And I'm always at Fayetteville. What is it you have that is so impressive?

(sniff sniff sniff)

Do I smell a race?

Well, I don't have a FAST on my CTSV and the FAST on the T/A doesn't do much of anything and my injectors were at 80% on 13:1 AFR before the FAST. And a wideband in place of the stock ones that I run all the time doesn't lie either.

Not saying it can't be done, it's done all the time.

And I'm always at Fayetteville. What is it you have that is so impressive?

Oh just something the crew at RPM in Garner threw together for me. I never ask Ryan what % my injectors were running at but he said it was fine unless I went the 90/90 route. The car runs in the 11s so I'm happy with it. It you make it out to Braggin Rights this year I'll be there. Looks like its gonna rain out T & T tonite. Hope you find a cable for the LM1.

It's got 2.73s. I do a lot of highway driving with no hills so they're fine. I've definately been thinking that I should do the stall first. I'm hoping to get into the 12s with the stall, LTs, ORY, and Nitto DRs.

What've you run so far? I went from 13.4s at 104 to 12.9s at 106 with nothing but my Pacesetters and droping my 60ft from a 2.0 to a 1.9. With tires and stall, you ought to be looking at bottom 12s.

Oh just something the crew at RPM in Garner threw together for me. I never ask Ryan what % my injectors were running at but he said it was fine unless I went the 90/90 route. The car runs in the 11s so I'm happy with it. It you make it out to Braggin Rights this year I'll be there. Looks like its gonna rain out T & T tonite. Hope you find a cable for the LM1.

That comes off kind of condescending, but I've never seen anything come out of that shop that really blew me away with impressiveness. People act like there shit is gold if it goes to RPM (espcially on HPJ), but they're just a shop that does what the customer asks and doesn't fuck cars up like other shops.

I plan on being at Draggin Rights. Maybe it will be some good weather so I can move up a few more places on the SI list.

My cars over 100k miles, anything i should do to the tranny before i add a stall?? Im thinking of going with a yank 3600, ill add a tranny cooler too. I may also put a performabuit level 2 trans on layaway here soon, should i just wait till then to add a 3600 stall?

My cars over 100k miles, anything i should do to the tranny before i add a stall?? Im thinking of going with a yank 3600, ill add a tranny cooler too. I may also put a performabuit level 2 trans on layaway here soon, should i just wait till then to add a 3600 stall?

Always get a cooler and maybe a bigger trans pan. A stall is actually easier on the trans during part throttle driving, but puts a lot more stress on it during WOT. Some last a while some don't.

If you do a stall start putting money aside just in case. Downside is that if the trans comes apart then you may need a new stall as well, but that's the worst case. It could just need a cut a clean. Or maybe you're clutches just wear out and a fluid flush will do.

I would try to find a good used converter for a good deal. Then when you switch transmission you can upgrade or just replace if need be. Or if nothing is wrong with it just resell it.

I haven't been to the track in 2 years so I have no idea what it has ran.

Count one more in for converter...

I would go VIG 3600 or higher.. Depends on cam selection down the road on how big you go. STR plays a roll as well in how good a converter helps..

O and Jon you know you are just a slow bolt on car, quit trying to complete with those big dogs............ :jest:

Count one more in for converter...

I would go VIG 3600 or higher.. Depends on cam selection down the road on how big you go. STR plays a roll as well in how good a converter helps..

O and Jon you know you are just a slow bolt on car, quit trying to complete with those big dogs............ :jest:

He's only got an MS4, that's nothing for my stock cam.

He's only got an MS4, that's nothing for my stock cam.

You got to have a donkey dick cam to go fast, we all know that.. :judge:


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i vote stall, thats my next big mod. i think i am gonna have to wait till the car is payed off next august though.

sorry for the hijack but do you guys think i should have the trans reuilt/built while im doing it with 120k currently and proly more when i finally get the money for the stall?

Sorry for the hijack, but do you guys think I should have the trans rebuilt/built while I'm doing it. I have 120k miles currently and will probably have more when I finally get the money for the stall?

Thanks in advance for your advice, guys.

Love,
JRob

You'll need a rebuild at some point, stall or not. Might as well do it at the same time, for a couple of reasons.

A lot of times saving for a big purchase means that you buy other small stuff along the way because you don't want to wait to go faster, but a stall is so good of a mod I would recommend not buying anything before it. If you had a stock car, don't waste money on a lid or a catback, just go straight for the stall.

You'll need a rebuild at some point, stall or not. Might as well do it at the same time, for a couple of reasons.

A lot of times saving for a big purchase means that you buy other small stuff along the way because you don't want to wait to go faster, but a stall is so good of a mod I would recommend not buying anything before it. If you had a stock car, don't waste money on a lid or a catback, just go straight for the stall.

ya thats what i keep hearing and once the car is paid off in aug im tearing into big stuff that needs done. id like to just build the trans and throw the stall in at the same time, then a rear end and suspension. then when the engine lets go or needs rebuilt the rest of the car will be able to handle what comes next:devil:

That comes off kind of condescending, but I've never seen anything come out of that shop that really blew me away with impressiveness. People act like there shit is gold if it goes to RPM (espcially on HPJ), but they're just a shop that does what the customer asks and doesn't fuck cars up like other shops.

Thanks for the compliments :thumb:

That comes off kind of condescending, but I've never seen anything come out of that shop that really blew me away with impressiveness. People act like there shit is gold if it goes to RPM (espcially on HPJ), but they're just a shop that does what the customer asks and doesn't fuck cars up like other shops.

I plan on being at Draggin Rights. Maybe it will be some good weather so I can move up a few more places on the SI list.


Yea JC, I guess you see 8.11 170mph f-bodys and full weight TBSS's running 9.0's everyday:zzz:

SEE BELOW.......






Virgina Motorsports Park 8-08-09

275 Drag Radial Class
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1ST RD Eliminations

Jon Rittenhouse had first rd bye but broke and was unable to make it for the call to the lanes.

Wayne Gopshes 5.47/129 over Bobby Flippen 5.81/130 - Bobby cuts a good light but is unable to stay out front when the tires broke loose and Wayne runs a solid pass.

Martin Cox 5.28/134 over Craig Bunn 5.82/119 - Craig goes .068 on the tree but the LS Powered RPM Motorsports Camaro runs hard and takes the win

Dale Handy 5.50/133 over Dan Whetstine 5.59/125 - Dan really steps up from his qualifying numbers but it's not enough to keep "The Moneypit" from taking the win.

Keith McLaughlin 5.46/131 over Jon Oliver 6.00/117 - Jon almost catches a break when Keith is a little sleepy on the tree but can't hold on as Keith run him down for the win.

Shelly Smith 5.36/134 over Clinton Smith 6.84/104 - In a battle of Smiths it's Shelly's Nitrous Powered Mustang taking the win over the Turbo Mustang of Clinton.

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2nd RD Eliminations

Shelly Smith 5.37/135 over Kieth Mclaughlin 5.47/132

Martin Cox 5.27/134 over Dale Handy *broke*

Wayne Gopshes 5.44/129 BYE RUN


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Semi-Final Rd

Shelly Smith 5.37/135 vs Wayne Gopshes 5.52/127 - Shelly turns in another 5.3X pass to take the win over Wayne when he slows after a tuning change doesn't work out.

Martin Cox 5.26/133 BYE RUN - Martin runs it out the back taking lane choice going into the finals.

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Final Rd

Martin Cox run the quickest pass of the day with a 5.23/134 over Shelly Smith 5.30/136
Congrats to Martin and RPM Motorsports on the win and Shelly on the r/u!
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Yea not really impressive:rolleyes: LMAO On 429ci and NO2

Yea JC, I guess you see 8.11 170mph f-bodys and full weight TBSS's running 9.0's everyday:zzz:

SEE BELOW.......

I know what those cars are doing. I was at Rockingham when they went 8.11. And I'm pretty sure that's not a full weight TBSS.

I won't argue that those aren't fast, but I'm talking about the everyday stuff. Not all out drag shit with tons of money in it.

They do good work and have a loyal following, but that's no reason to talk down to me because I do my own stuff. The faster cars are guys who run shops or do their own work, not ones who pay someone else to work on their shit. Not saying that everyone who works on their own cars is going to run better, that's not he case at all.

RPM keeps the customer happy and that's good business sense. It's their nutting hugging fan boys that irritate me. You act like one yourself and you're not even from around here.

First off sorry if I came off as talking down to you:)

Second I am nobodys:swing: But I like a badass car whether it be Ford, Mopar, Honda and I could give a rats ass who built it etc....

According to their website (I just checked it out) the TBSS is a 4650lb 1200hp LSX block All Pro head car. I have not seen it since the LS2 came out of it when it ran low 10's IIRC so all I know is what is on the website... BUT STILL DAMN IMPRESSIVE FOR 4650LB CAR YOU MUST ADMIT

Your original post NEVER SAID "NOT ALL OUT SHIT WITH TONS OF MONEY INTO IT" and THATS WHAT I WAS CLARIFYING. They are quite capable of putting out IMPRESSIVE STUFF IF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ASKED TO DO.....


This quote "RPM keeps the customer happy and that's good business sense" and this quote "but they're just a shop that does what the customer asks and doesn't fuck cars up like other shops." kinda sounds like an endorsement for them and I am sure they appreciate it:)

BTW you have a DAMN good running car:) Congrats:D

First off sorry if I came off as talking down to you:)

Second I am nobodys:swing: But I like a badass car whether it be Ford, Mopar, Honda and I could give a rats ass who built it etc....

According to their website (I just checked it out) the TBSS is a 4650lb 1200hp LSX block All Pro head car. I have not seen it since the LS2 came out of it when it ran low 10's IIRC so all I know is what is on the website... BUT STILL DAMN IMPRESSIVE FOR 4650LB CAR YOU MUST ADMIT

Your original post NEVER SAID "NOT ALL OUT SHIT WITH TONS OF MONEY INTO IT" and THATS WHAT I WAS CLARIFYING. They are quite capable of putting out IMPRESSIVE STUFF IF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ASKED TO DO.....


This quote "RPM keeps the customer happy and that's good business sense" and this quote "but they're just a shop that does what the customer asks and doesn't fuck cars up like other shops." kinda sounds like an endorsement for them and I am sure they appreciate it:)

BTW you have a DAMN good running car:) Congrats:D
I was referring to NC98Z and the nut huggers from horsepowerjunkies.com. That believe they are invincible because they go to RPM. I mean RPM has the fastest nitrous car, so everything that goes there will also be the fastest something, right?

They do what the customer asks. Most of the time the customer doesn't know. Believe me I know one of the biggest RPM groupies there is. He doesn't know anything, but has a fast car (not full potential, but fast enough to make everyone that doesn't know think it is).

I'm not gonna talk too much shit because I only know what I know and that might not be anything. And the fact that I'll have all kind of heads, cam, and/or nitrous cars trying to race me to prove that there RPM-worked-on is faster. Which is dumb.

I was referring to NC98Z and the nut huggers from horsepowerjunkies.com. That believe they are invincible because they go to RPM. I mean RPM has the fastest nitrous car, so everything that goes there will also be the fastest something, right?

They do what the customer asks. Most of the time the customer doesn't know. Believe me I know one of the biggest RPM groupies there is. He doesn't know anything, but has a fast car (not full potential, but fast enough to make everyone that doesn't know think it is).

I'm not gonna talk too much shit because I only know what I know and that might not be anything. And the fact that I'll have all kind of heads, cam, and/or nitrous cars trying to race me to prove that there RPM-worked-on is faster. Which is dumb.


It's all good man and I wasn't trying to start anything. I just know they can put together an IMPRESSIVE car when asked and that was my ONLY POINT...And nutswingers get on my nerves too (there are some big ones on this board I won't name) so I know how you feel. Maybe our paths will cross sometime I am sure we would enjoy a good BS session!!