Dyno Guesses & Bench Racing Forum - Calling all knowledgable 4v guys

A buddy of mine has a white 2001 GT with an aviator motor swapped in it with "just bolt-ons". His Dyno on motor put down 350/340. He recently raced a local Z06 with a forged bottom end stock displacement stock heads and intake with a cam and a vortech that dyno'd "580" to the ground at Futral motorsports.

The outcome of their race on the highway was that they would be locked down until right at the top of the gear and the vette would slightly edge away and by 130 or so the vette had won by only a car length.

I call bs on all the mods to the GT but all the ford guys keep saying is that that happens when you know what to do with a 4v. I'm not an idiot and I do understand how good mod motors are but a car with more weight alot less power and short gears should be nowhere near that vette on the highway.

What do you guys think?

What do you guys think?

I think I want to go dyno my car near you! How did they get their cars on the Moon? I'm excited! I will be the first stock block 331 to reach 600rwhp N/A!!! :D Please PM me so I can figure out what I need to do to get my car there.




Seriously though, way too little information here. Get more information and we can help you more. 350/340 is possible. Not with just bolt ons but by the way you say it there might be more than just bolt ons.

I think I want to go dyno my car near you! How did they get their cars on the Moon? I'm excited! I will be the first stock block 331 to reach 600rwhp N/A!!! :D Please PM me so I can figure out what I need to do to get my car there.




Seriously though, way too little information here. Get more information and we can help you more. 350/340 is possible. Not with just bolt ons but by the way you say it there might be more than just bolt ons.
What more information do you need?

The only way that combo would touch a Z06 with those mods would be with a 150+ shot and a lot of luck.

350rwhp is a bit high for stock compression, heads and cams.

What more information do you need?

A start would be what exactly is done to this 4v

A start would be what exactly is done to this 4v

The owner and mechanic never give full details.. just that it is a 4.6 out of an aviator and that it has nothing but stock ford parts on it except for the full exhaust

What does it matter what is done to the car anyways?

What does it matter what is done to the car anyways?

:confused:

Because I think they are full of shit.

:confused:

Because I think they are full of shit.

Unless its fully gutted and on bigs and littles you are correct. A stock 4v with bolt ons will not hang with a bolt on Z06 up to 130mph.

Unless its fully gutted and on bigs and littles you are correct. A stock 4v with bolt ons will not hang with a bolt on Z06 up to 130mph.
it has the trunk gutted and it is on bigs and littles with street tires..but again something just doesn't add up

So what all is done to the Z06 that you know (without a doubt) of?

A buddy of mine has a white 2001 GT with an aviator motor swapped in it with "just bolt-ons". His Dyno on motor put down 350/340. He recently raced a local Z06 with a forged bottom end stock displacement stock heads and intake with a cam and a vortech that dyno'd "580" to the ground at Futral motorsports.

The outcome of their race on the highway was that they would be locked down until right at the top of the gear and the vette would slightly edge away and by 130 or so the vette had won by only a car length.

I call bs on all the mods to the GT but all the ford guys keep saying is that that happens when you know what to do with a 4v. I'm not an idiot and I do understand how good mod motors are but a car with more weight alot less power and short gears should be nowhere near that vette on the highway.

What do you guys think?

That mustang is making more than that to keep up with a 3100# 580hp vette. A guy on M1R made 343rwhp w/ his mach motor (same as aviator) and with a raceweight of 3000lbs w/ driver he trapped 120 in race trim. That still won't hang with that vetter. He is hiding something.

The owner and mechanic never give full details.. just that it is a 4.6 out of an aviator and that it has nothing but stock ford parts on it except for the full exhaust


Stock Ford parts...


Whipple
aluminator
80lb injectors
9"
Etc

We're all stock 'round here. ;)

So what all is done to the Z06 that you know (without a doubt) of?

Forged bottom end, cam, vortech on 9#

Forged bottom end, cam, vortech on 9#

sorry a 350hp car will not keep up with a cam'd z06, let alone a vortech one.

BS he must have some spray. unless vette had a horrible driver, and mustang had a bad ass driver!

Forged bottom end, cam, vortech on 9#

:jest: And a bolt on 4v is going to keep up with that? Come on now.

:confused: i believe he must have had nitrous of some sort. theres no way full bolt on 4v could take a vette with cam and vortech

That's what I believe as well.. but they just continue with the "Oh well not many people know how to make 4v fast.. mod motor > blown ls motor"

Was the belt for the Vortech missing?:eyes:

That's what I believe as well.. but they just continue with the "Oh well not many people know how to make 4v fast.. mod motor > blown ls motor"

Tell him to log on and say hi. :jest: I'd love to see him do that.:secret:

BTW - he won't be hitting 350rwhp without H, Cs, or I work. "Ford parts" could include a FR500 setup.

LOL at the idea that a heavier car with 230 less rwhp could keep up.

LOL at the idea that a heavier car with 230 less rwhp could keep up.

it makes pefect since doesnt it haha:bs:

Stock Ford parts...


Whipple
aluminator
80lb injectors
9"
Etc

We're all stock 'round here. ;)
LOL! Them's stock Ford bolt-ons alright! LOL!

Smells like bullshit in here. The Mustang isn't being honest or he is got the blower off of a GT or Gt500 on top of that 4v. Even then it isn't completely stock.

Smells like bullshit in here. The Mustang isn't being honest or he is got the blower off of a GT or Gt500 on top of that 4v. Even then it isn't completely stock.

There's no blower on it.. they say it's na and either they put a kit on it or they lied about racing the vette.

LOL! Them's stock Ford bolt-ons alright! LOL!

They're all in the Ford Racing parts catalog. :)

Smells like bullshit in here. The Mustang isn't being honest or he is got the blower off of a GT or Gt500 on top of that 4v. Even then it isn't completely stock.

Agreed, but neither a blower from a GT500 or a Ford GT would fit on a 4.6 4V...not without spending some serious coin.

There's no blower on it.. they say it's na and either they put a kit on it or they lied about racing the vette.

Either way, someone is full of shit. :nod:

I've seen the hood popped. No blower. Now I havent seen it in a while, so he might have a kit on it. I Had a thought this morning, what if he did a 5.4 swap and told everyone it was a 4.6

I've seen the hood popped. No blower. Now I havent seen it in a while, so he might have a kit on it. I Had a thought this morning, what if he did a 5.4 swap and told everyone it was a 4.6

He still wouldn't be putting down enough power N/A to beat a blown vette...or even a cammed Z06 at that.

5.4L with bolt ons will net that power though.

He still wouldn't be putting down enough power N/A to beat a blown vette...or even a cammed Z06 at that.

5.4L with bolt ons will net that power though.

A bolt on 5.4 will net ~580 to the ground?

I claim ignorance, so that's why I ask :angel:

A bolt on 5.4 will net ~580 to the ground?

I claim ignorance, so that's why I ask :angel:

350rwhp you goof.



(I know you're being sarcastic, just clarifying those that don't know how you post :) )

Dude, if you want to know what I have done to the car just ask. I'm not lying about shit.

It's a '99 GT with a 4V swap
Stock 2005 Aviator long block - stock compression, untouched heads, stock rotating assembly, heads have never been off of the short block
Stock 2001 Cobra intake cams, stock 2005 Aviator exhaust cams
Ported Mach 1 intake
Untouched long block
Bolt ons

No nitrous, all motor.

The car made 354/353 2 years with several minor issues and 29* of timing up top. I have since got a new tune with a spot on MAF curve and timing curve (with less timing, BTW), made some minor additions/changes and it runs a hell of a lot stronger than it did back then.

The car has a little weight reduction, it is in the 3050 range without me in the car. Jacob and Cory have looked the car over, there is no big secret.

All you had to do is PM me, thick.

Forged bottom end, cam, vortech on 9#

Correction: Forged bottom end, cam, Vortech T-trim on 12#. :D

Tell him to log on and say hi. :jest: I'd love to see him do that.:secret:

Hi :smokin2:

Hi Ben, glad you could join us. You're people seem to disagree with the feats you have performed in that little car of yours.

I see this thread turning into 5 or more pages now. Gotta run to the engine builder but I plan on giving my .02 on this later.

Hopefully Pony will clear all this up. He should have fun with this one lol

Dude, if you want to know what I have done to the car just ask. I'm not lying about shit.

It's a '99 GT with a 4V swap
Stock 2005 Aviator long block - stock compression, untouched heads, stock rotating assembly, heads have never been off of the short block
Stock 2001 Cobra intake cams, stock 2005 Aviator exhaust cams
Ported Mach 1 intake
Untouched long block
Bolt ons

No nitrous, all motor.

The car made 354/353 2 years with several minor issues and 29* of timing up top. I have since got a new tune with a spot on MAF curve and timing curve (with less timing, BTW), made some minor additions/changes and it runs a hell of a lot stronger than it did back then.

The car has a little weight reduction, it is in the 3050 range without me in the car. Jacob and Cory have looked the car over, there is no big secret.

All you had to do is PM me, thick.

Put on the boots gents, its getting deep in here!

Hi :smokin2:

Hey Ben...how have you been? I was wondered at some point if it could have been you, but i recalled you having a P/P intake.....counted that out when I read the OP stated stock HCI.

IIRC, your numbers were STD no?...regardless; I'll say two things:

A) ben has a very nice and stout setup. I won't doubt he's running 340+RWHP.

BUT...........

B) Bullshit on killing a Cammed FI'd Vette unless he had some MAJOR MAJOR fucked up situation goin' on.


BTW - no one mentioned WR....not that 300 less pounds than the vette would make up 200+RWHP.



EDIT: not to mention OP stated 'just bolt ons'. A tad misleading with a Ported intake and Cobra cams.

Hi Ben, glad you could join us. You're people seem to disagree with the feats you have performed in that little car of yours.

Am I supposed to care?

B) Bullshit on killing a Cammed FI'd Vette unless he had some MAJOR MAJOR fucked up situation goin' on.

Who said I killed it? The car beat me everytime, they just don't think it was bad enough.

The Vette is fast.

Who said I killed it? The car beat me everytime, they just don't think it was bad enough.

The Vette is fast.

you're right...I shouldn't have said 'killed'....but to hang with until 130...nope. (according to OP)

Not only did it happen, but it happened a good 7 times with similar results and was verified by the owner. This isn't the first car with similar power numbers that I have raced with similar results. Lightweight and a strong mid-range shouldn't be underestimated, horsepower does not always win the race.

This Vette is actually fast, one of the faster local cars I have tangled with.

To each his own, I have no desire to enter into a bench racing competition. What happened, happened, I do not care whether I convince this board or anyone else, it just doesn't matter that much to me.

Not only did it happen, but it happened a good 7 times with similar results and was verified by the owner. This isn't the first car with similar power numbers that I have raced with similar results. Lightweight and a strong mid-range shouldn't be underestimated, horsepower does not always win the race.

This Vette is actually fast, one of the faster local cars I have tangled with.

To each his own, I have no desire to enter into a bench racing competition. What happened, happened, I do not care whether I convince this board or anyone else, it just doesn't matter that much to me.

It looks like the OP was misunderstanding of your setup or left some things out. Regarding the race though...IDT anyone can conceive of that happening. There are plenty of people that know what a good midrange lightweight car can do and HP isn't everything.

Some people care, some don't, but my two cents is yes your car is strong and not something to take lightly even by comparison of typical 4V setups, however I keep to my opinion of BS on you hanging with him assuming that vette was running right. Even with a shitty driver. YOu also have ot understand that that Z with a proper cam and blower will have a nice midrange as well.

Not only did it happen, but it happened a good 7 times with similar results and was verified by the owner. This isn't the first car with similar power numbers that I have raced with similar results. Lightweight and a strong mid-range shouldn't be underestimated, horsepower does not always win the race.

This Vette is actually fast, one of the faster local cars I have tangled with.

To each his own, I have no desire to enter into a bench racing competition. What happened, happened, I do not care whether I convince this board or anyone else, it just doesn't matter that much to me.

There are a few possibilities here the way I see it:


Someone is full of shit.
Something is seriously wrong with the 'vette.
'Vette owner is a stooge and can't drive to save his life.

I'd have to go with dot #2 and the first part of dot#3

Am I supposed to care?

:cheers:

Am I supposed to care?

It seems that you are upset with the fact that I came somewhere else to find other people's opinions on the race between you and Cory. It's nothing personal against you or Matt but you can see from the replies in here from not only Chevy but Ford people as well that it is hard to perceive the outcome between you and the Z16.

Agreed, but neither a blower from a GT500 or a Ford GT would fit on a 4.6 4V...not without spending some serious coin.



Either way, someone is full of shit. :nod:

Yea I know that but it would allow the "all stock Ford parts" to be thrown around that's why I threw it out there.

Not only did it happen, but it happened a good 7 times with similar results and was verified by the owner. This isn't the first car with similar power numbers that I have raced with similar results. Lightweight and a strong mid-range shouldn't be underestimated, horsepower does not always win the race.

This Vette is actually fast, one of the faster local cars I have tangled with.

To each his own, I have no desire to enter into a bench racing competition. What happened, happened, I do not care whether I convince this board or anyone else, it just doesn't matter that much to me.

You are full of shit. Lightweight to your GT is stock weight to a z06.

So your telling me with equal weight, your less aerodynamic vehicle with 200 less rwhp hung?

PLEASE take that story to svtp or corral.

Built motor/cammed/12 PSI Z06 > NA 4 valve GT mustang

You are full of shit. Lightweight to your GT is stock weight to a z06.

So your telling me with equal weight, your less aerodynamic vehicle with 200 less rwhp hung?

PLEASE take that story to svtp or corral.

Built motor/cammed/12 PSI Z06 > NA 4 valve GT mustang

Come on Jimmy......you been drinkin'? ROFL. An FI'd vette won't really be at stock weight. :lol: You know that.:chug:

There are a few possibilities here the way I see it:


Someone is full of shit.
Something is seriously wrong with the 'vette.
'Vette owner is a stooge and can't drive to save his life.


Ding ding ding! Nothing is special about this Mustang and it doesn't matter if Pluto was lined up with our moon...this Mustang isn't going to hang within a 2 mile radius of a forged, cammed, blown C5 Z06 unless one of the things Unit said was true. If I had to guess and I've met them plenty of times and used to be one...I'd be willing to bet Ben99GT is one of those sneaky little street racers. Everywhere you go will have one or more of them. Nothing is ever special about the cars, its all in how the race is setup, and the driving skills.

I'm surprised that the Mustang would even line up against a Vette with that many mods.

The only way I would do it with a N/A 4.6 4V would be if I had a hidden kit.


Not saying that he is hiding a kit...just saying what I would do.

Maybe the vette was just a :turd: