Automotive News, Media & Press - Toyota recall number SIX for 2009...

Wow Toyota's really rackin' em up this year!

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2009/09/toyota_issues_urgent_recall_of.html#more

Toyota is issuing its largest recall in the automaker's history due to an issue with floormats.

The Federal Department of Transportation has issued an "urgent" warning to owners of several Toyota and Lexus models advising owners to remove the driver's side front floor mats to keep them from getting in the way of the accelerator and brake pedals.

This notice has come out after a fatal crash in late August that involved a 2009 Lexus ES350 that crashed after the front floor mat caused the accelerator and brake pedals to stick.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is urging owners of the affected vehicles to remove the floormats and to not replace them with anything else.

Affected vehicles:

* 2007-2010 Toyota Camry
* 2005-2010 Toyota Avalon
* 2004-2009 Toyota Prius
* 2005-2010 Toyota Tacoma
* 2007-2010 Toyota Tundra
* 2007-2010 Lexus ES350
* 2006-2010 Lexus IS250 and IS350


PRESS RELEASES:

NHTSA

TOYOTA OWNERS ARE CAUTIONED ABOUT FLOOR MATS AND ACCELERATOR PEDAL INTERFERENCE

Toyota to Launch a Safety Recall on Specific Toyota and Lexus Vehicles

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration today alerted Lexus and Toyota owners about conditions that could cause the accelerator to get stuck open under certain conditions. The agency strongly recommends taking out removable floor mats on the driver's side in certain models and not to replace them with any other mat, either from Toyota or any other brand.

"This is an urgent matter," said U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. "For everyone's sake, we strongly urge owners of these vehicles to remove mats or other obstacles that could lead to unintended acceleration."

NHTSA notes that there continue to be reports of accelerator pedal clearance issues which provide the potential for an accelerator pedal to get stuck in the full open position. A stuck accelerator may result in very high vehicle speeds and a crash, which could cause serious injury or death.

NHTSA said that Toyota has announced that it will soon launch a safety recall of various model year vehicles to redress the problem. However the safety agency warned owners to remove all driver-side floor mats from the models listed below immediately as an interim safety measure in advance of the recall.

Toyota and Lexus vehicles affected by this consumer alert are:

* 2007-2010 Camry
* 2005-2010 Avalon
* 2004-2009 Prius
* 2005-2010 Tacoma
* 2007-2010 Tundra
* 2007-2010 ES 350
* 2006-2010 IS 250 and IS350


In September 2007, Toyota recalled an accessory all-weather floor mat sold for use in some 2007 and 2008 model year Lexus ES 350 and Toyota Camry vehicles because of similar problems.

Today's advisory was precipitated by continued reports of vehicles accelerating rapidly after release of the accelerator pedal. The incidents appear to be related to factors including the use of a variety of unsecured mats, the particular configuration of the accelerator pedals in these vehicles, and the unique steps needed to shut off the engines in some of these vehicles with keyless ignition.

For more information, consumers can contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's Hotline at 888-327-4236 or the Toyota Experience Center at 1-800-331-4331 or the Lexus Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-255-3987. Information from Toyota is also posted at http://www.toyota.com and http://www.lexus.com.


TOYOTA

Toyota/Lexus Consumer Safety Advisory Potential Floor Mat Interference with Accelerator Pedal

Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc. takes public safety very seriously. It believes its vehicles to be among the safest on the road today.

Recent events have prompted Toyota to take a closer look at the potential for an accelerator pedal to get stuck in the full open position due to an unsecured or incompatible driver's floor mat. A stuck open accelerator pedal may result in very high vehicle speeds and make it difficult to stop the vehicle, which could cause a crash, serious injury or death.
Toyota considers this a critical matter and will soon launch a safety campaign on specific Toyota and Lexus vehicles. Throughout the process of developing the details of the action plan, it will advise the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

Until Toyota develops a remedy, it is asking owners of specific Toyota and Lexus models to take out any removable driver's floor mat and NOT replace it with any other floor mat. The following models are affected:

• 2007 - 2010 Camry
• 2005 - 2010 Avalon
• 2004 - 2009 Prius
• 2005 - 2010 Tacoma
• 2007 - 2010 Tundra
• 2007 - 2010 ES350
• 2006 - 2010 IS250 and IS350
Should the vehicle continue to accelerate rapidly after releasing the accelerator pedal, this could be an indication of floor mat interference. If this occurs, Toyota recommends the driver take the following actions:

First, if it is possible and safe to do so, pull back the floor mat and dislodge it from the accelerator pedal; then pull over and stop the vehicle.

If the floor mat cannot be dislodged, then firmly and steadily step on the brake pedal with both feet. Do NOT pump the brake pedal repeatedly as this will increase the effort required to slow the vehicle.

Shift the transmission gear selector to the Neutral (N) position and use the brakes to make a controlled stop at the side of the road and turn off the engine.
If unable to put the vehicle in Neutral, turn the engine OFF, or to ACC. This will not cause loss of steering or braking control, but the power assist to these systems will be lost.

-If the vehicle is equipped with an Engine Start/Stop button, firmly and steadily push the button for at least three seconds to turn off the engine. Do NOT tap the Engine Start/Stop button.

-If the vehicle is equipped with a conventional key-ignition, turn the ignition key to the ACC position to turn off the engine. Do NOT remove the key from the ignition as this will lock the steering wheel.

In the event owners choose not to remove their floor mat, Toyota strongly recommends that they ensure that the correct floor mat is being used, that it is properly installed and secured, that it is not flipped over with bottom-side up, and that one floor mat is not stacked over another. Information on proper floor mat installation can be found on http://www.toyota.com and http://www.lexus.com.

Owners with questions or concerns, are asked to please contact the Toyota Customer Experience Center (1 800 331-4331) or Lexus Customer Assistance Center (1 800 255¬3987), or consult the information posted at http://www.toyota.com and http://www.lexus.com.

Aaaa, no big deal, god buys cars from them, they never do anything wrong... perfect cars:bang:

You lie. Toyota is the only car company that can do no wrong. They make the most efficient and reliable cars EVERRR.




Thank God they are finally getting the press they deserve.

Im probably gonna get my head bashed in but I work for a Toyota dealer in the service dept. The only thing at this point that Toyota has told us to do is to either make sure that the floor mats are secured on the hooks or to remove them. We recieved an article from Toyota stating that there was an accident that was a direct result from a floor mat but it was a Lexus "Loaner" vehicle. But all you need to do is look on the web and you can find other Toyota vehicles that where in accidents from this.

I personally think its pretty dumb. Heres why, All of the mentiond vehicles in the above post come from the factory with hooks to secure the floor mats to the ground. People are either not aware of these or just not using them. They are secured just as any other car company does. For example my bro's 03 mustang, I drove it 2 years ago and went wot and the gas pedal stuck to the "unsecured" floor mat. My point to this is that I have seen this happen to other cars out there but none of them got any attention to it. I assure you that if the floor mat is properly secured its not gonna get wedged in the gas pedal. And almost most of the Toyota driver side floor mats have an opening where the gas pedal would touch.

My advice to any Toyota owner is that I would make sure that your mats are properly secured. If they dont secure properly REMOVE THEM. Toyota is putting together a service campagne. When it is together you will recieve a letter if your car qualifies for it.

Please dont bash me for any of my comments, these are just the true facts.

Im probably gonna get my head bashed in but I work for a Toyota dealer in the service dept. The only thing at this point that Toyota has told us to do is to either make sure that the floor mats are secured on the hooks or to remove them. We recieved an article from Toyota stating that there was an accident that was a direct result from a floor mat but it was a Lexus "Loaner" vehicle. But all you need to do is look on the web and you can find other Toyota vehicles that where in accidents from this.

I personally think its pretty dumb. Heres why, All of the mentiond vehicles in the above post come from the factory with hooks to secure the floor mats to the ground. People are either not aware of these or just not using them. They are secured just as any other car company does. For example my bro's 03 mustang, I drove it 2 years ago and went wot and the gas pedal stuck to the "unsecured" floor mat. My point to this is that I have seen this happen to other cars out there but none of them got any attention to it. I assure you that if the floor mat is properly secured its not gonna get wedged in the gas pedal. And almost most of the Toyota driver side floor mats have an opening where the gas pedal would touch.

My advice to any Toyota owner is that I would make sure that your mats are properly secured. If they dont secure properly REMOVE THEM. Toyota is putting together a service campagne. When it is together you will recieve a letter if your car qualifies for it.

Please dont bash me for any of my comments, these are just the true facts.

That's fine...I should note though that the floor mat issue is just one possible cause of the problem. There are many reports of Toyotas with stuck accelerators and either NO floormats in place at the time, or floormats nowhere near the pedals. The NHTSA is still investigating this because it is not known for sure at this time that the problem is caused by the floormats. They just want to have some kind of solution to throw out there in the meantime. Knowing what I know about import car owners, it's likely that 80% of these incidents were caused by floormats, and I agree that Toyota should not be held over the coals because idiots can't take the 3 seconds necessary to make sure their mat is secured in the proper location before they drive off. However, there are several incidents that could not have been caused by the mats, and THAT is what is most troubling, and why the investigation continues.

That's fine...I should note though that the floor mat issue is just one possible cause of the problem. There are many reports of Toyotas with stuck accelerators and either NO floormats in place at the time, or floormats nowhere near the pedals. The NHTSA is still investigating this because it is not known for sure at this time that the problem is caused by the floormats. They just want to have some kind of solution to throw out there in the meantime. Knowing what I know about import car owners, it's likely that 80% of these incidents were caused by floormats, and I agree that Toyota should not be held over the coals because idiots can't take the 3 seconds necessary to make sure their mat is secured in the proper location before they drive off. However, there are several incidents that could not have been caused by the mats, and THAT is what is most troubling, and why the investigation continues.

Yup, I've read articles about prius's going out of control and just taking off. Most of them where linked to "double staking" floor mats.

jesus, I've been an accident waiting to happen... I've never had floor mats that were locked down to the floor....

Knowing what I know about import car owners

And what would that be?

I think they've had it coming for a while. But that's my opinion. They sure aren't perfect, regardless of what the general populous wants to believe.

Some of you sound... Happy, about this... :confused:

I think they've had it coming for a while. But that's my opinion. They sure aren't perfect, regardless of what the general populous wants to believe.

My parents Toyota has been a lot better than any of the other GM stuff they have had and I have had. Im not saying I like their Toyota(06 Corolla, way to small imo) but it is a lot more reliable than the GM and Ford stuff they have owned.

Some of you sound... Happy, about this... :confused:

Largely the sentiment is more along the lines of: "glad we are actually hearing about this". Because it's not like Toyota has never had to do recalls before...they just put alot of effort into keeping them quiet. Now that they are numero uno, the media is all over them just like they used to be all over GM.

Hate to say I told you so...but...well...I did.

Some of you sound... Happy, about this... :confused:

Happy about recalls, about people dying because of this problem? Hardly. Never a good thing. The only thing I'd be "happy" about is that we are actually hearing of it instead of stuff being kept hush-hush. Toyota got an inflated image, it is only a matter of time before that inflated image pops.

Even with recalls out in the open, it's still gonna be a pretty good image. It might get deflated a bit, but it won't "pop" anytime soon.

Hmmm... My mistake...

I misinterpreted some of the "happy vibe" as stemming from the pleasure of celebrating an automaker make a mistake.

You guys were just concerned for people's lives, and Blakbird was just glad that they did not try some type of cover-up like he feels Toyota has done in the past with their recalls...

Fascinating...


Anywho, my bad! :emb:

You guys were just concerned for people's lives, and Blakbird was just glad that they did not try some type of cover-up like he feels Toyota has done in the past with their recalls...

You can't honestly tell me i'm crazy for making that claim.

I've got alot of high profile support. Just look at what their own former staff is saying:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/automotive-news-media-press/1171152-toyota-some-big-trouble.html

If you know much about Japanese culture, you should realize that this is by no means whatsoever a stretch of any kind. To me, it's downright obvious.

So toyota's fix for this is to ziptie your floormats down.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/08/toyotas-solution-for-troublesome-floormats-tie-them-down/

So toyota's fix for this is to ziptie your floormats down.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/08/toyotas-solution-for-troublesome-floormats-tie-them-down/

I wonder how true that really is. My Toyota has only instructed the dealership I work at to remove the floor mats from the cars and send them to Toyota. This is only for all weather mats by the way not carpeted ones. They have not told us what to replace them with at this time. As far as customer cars they told us to check them and make sure there secure and if they are the all weather mats make sure there not stacked on top of carpeted ones, and we have been just removing the customers mats and putting them in there trunks untill Toyota has a recall prosceader in place.

I'm with bboyferal on this. Toyota is where it is because of hard work in their design, engineering and advertising department. They build solid cars, and that's a fact. GM slacked in that department IN THE PAST which is why they have slipped in recent years. I know GM will/has/is rebounding but being happy about recalls a company is having to make is just lame! :rolleyes:
Never seen a thread on here saying "GM recall number # for year xxxx" Give me a break.

Knowing what I know about import car owners...

Let's all make sure and respect what you have to say then...:eyes:

Let's all make sure and respect what you have to say then...:eyes:

Are you going for the all-time most ironic life award? You deserve it. Hell i'll be there to vote you into the irony hall of fame.

90% of what you post on this board is blantantly import-biased...yet you continue to point the bias finger at me. This is epic.

Are you going for the all-time most ironic life award? You deserve it. Hell i'll be there to vote you into the irony hall of fame.

I forgot to laugh the first time I read it, maybe you can post it again and the second time around it will be funnier...:zzz:

90% of what you post on this board is blantantly import-biased...yet you continue to point the bias finger at me. This is epic.

No, we just differ in opinions. If GM vehicles came equipped with dicks you'd be sucking them off at the dealership. You judge a car/company based on where it's from and the people that make it, not on what it can do and how it was made. That doesn't make me import-biased, it makes you a fan-boy.

You judge a car/company based on where it's from and the people that make it, not on what it can do and how it was made.

Yes, let's all praise Toyota's flawless build quality.

http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2009/10/07/nhtsa-tundra-frame-rust/
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/toyota-extends-rust-warranty-on-older-tacoma-pickups-to-15-years/
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/prius_acceleration.html
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/problems-dealer-service/33440-engine-bay-body-rips.html
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/05/toyota_tundra.html
http://www.productliabilitylawblog.com/2009/09/toyota_rollover_lawsuits_forme.html
http://www.yotarepair.com/Sludge_Zone.html

So what you're saying is that I hate Toyota because it's Japanese, and not because they make crappy cars? Thank you for your brilliant insight.

I'm with bboyferal on this. Toyota is where it is because of hard work in their design, engineering and advertising department. They build solid cars, and that's a fact. GM slacked in that department IN THE PAST which is why they have slipped in recent years. I know GM will/has/is rebounding but being happy about recalls a company is having to make is just lame! :rolleyes:
Never seen a thread on here saying "GM recall number # for year xxxx" Give me a break.



Let's all make sure and respect what you have to say then...:eyes:


Toyota is at because they hide their recalls from the media, here is a fun one:

http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/toyota/toyota_sequoia.htm

and because of things like this:

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/

Interesting numbers there....

Toyota is at because they hide their recalls from the media, here is a fun one:

http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/toyota/toyota_sequoia.htm

and because of things like this:

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/

Interesting numbers there....


I never understood how someone can hide recall information from the media. :confused: IMO it's more like the media made their token gesture to mention the recall and moved on with their program because that news doesn't sell. People want sensationalism when they turn on the news and GM going bankrupt always sells more than Toyota recalling x vehicles. Honestly, when it comes to recall news I hear the same amount of press on recalls regarding imports as I do domestics. I haven't noticed any prejudice towards one manufacture or another.
Also local news always out-sells world news, what's more interesting to you, a fire in your neighborhood that burned down a supermarket half a mile away or the same incident that happened on the Southern tip of Tierra del Feugo? GM/Ford/Dodge are American companies so of course our media is gonna be more in tune and interested with what happens with them, because in turn we are more interested in them.

Also Blackbird24 has also claimed that all Japanese businessmen are crooked and shady liars and that Nissan lies about it's cars and their power production. :rolleyes:

I never understood how someone can hide recall information from the media. :confused: IMO it's more like the media made their token gesture to mention the recall and moved on with their program because that news doesn't sell. People want sensationalism when they turn on the news and GM going bankrupt always sells more than Toyota recalling x vehicles. Honestly, when it comes to recall news I hear the same amount of press on recalls regarding imports as I do domestics. I haven't noticed a biased regarding press associated with recall matters.

But then again I'm not looking for a story that isn't there either. Also Blackbird24 has also claimed that Nissan lies about it's cars and their power production, and that all Japanese businessmen are crooked and shady liars.


If you can comprehend that members of congress and the government in general lie and intentionally do things to provide support for their own careers and wallets, I'm sure you can come up with why someone would want Toyotas recalls to be less of an announcement compared to GMs recalls.

Nissan has been caught lying about their cars and power production. No I don't think all Japanese businessmen are crooked and shady, but those type of people exist everywhere.

Hondas are well built economy cars. Toyotas? Not so much. Not in my opinion anyway, but that's my opinion.

Yes, let's all praise Toyota's flawless build quality.

http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2009/10/07/nhtsa-tundra-frame-rust/
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/toyota-extends-rust-warranty-on-older-tacoma-pickups-to-15-years/
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/prius_acceleration.html
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/problems-dealer-service/33440-engine-bay-body-rips.html
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/05/toyota_tundra.html
http://www.productliabilitylawblog.com/2009/09/toyota_rollover_lawsuits_forme.html
http://www.yotarepair.com/Sludge_Zone.html

So what you're saying is that I hate Toyota because it's Japanese, and not because they make crappy cars? Thank you for your brilliant insight.

When did I say they made flawless cars? Oh that's right I didn't! :thinker:

If you need to mis-interpret what I write to create an argument then I'm at a loss for words. :emb:

If you can comprehend that members of congress and the government in general lie and intentionally do things to provide support for their own careers and wallets, I'm sure you can come up with why someone would want Toyotas recalls to be less of an announcement compared to GMs recalls.

I can, I can comprehend someone doing that but not "The Whole Media". Your talking about countless magazines, newspapers, major networks (that are usually corporate I understand) but also independent networks, as well as foreign publications and news outlets. News leaks and if people take interest in it than the word spreads, if there is no interest in it, then it dies. Right?


Nissan has been caught lying about their cars and power production. No I don't think all Japanese businessmen are crooked and shady, but those type of people exist everywhere.

So has GM, so has many other car companies I agree 100%, I'm addressing the way Blackbird lynches them (in old threads long dead) and labels their culture as such. Never seen anyone lynch GM when the power numbers for the LS1 or the Sy/Ty's first came out. It was the opposite, people praised the "hidden" power.

I can, I can comprehend someone doing that but not "The Whole Media". Your talking about countless magazines, newspapers, major networks (that are usually corporate I understand) but also independent networks, as well as foreign publications and news outlets. News leaks and if people take interest in it than the word spreads, if there is no interest in it, then it dies. Right?



So has GM, so has many other car companies I agree 100%, I'm addressing the way Blackbird lynches them (in old threads long dead) and labels their culture as such. Never seen anyone lynch GM when the power numbers for the LS1 or the Sy/Ty's first came out. It was the opposite, people praised the "hidden" power.



Countless news outlets or is it really just 2?

That is in a production car. Not in a car that is being raced for bragging rights at the "Ring".

When did I say they made flawless cars? Oh that's right I didn't! :thinker:

If you need to mis-interpret what I write to create an argument then I'm at a loss for words. :emb:
When did we say we hated Toyota because they were Japanese and not because they make shitty cars? Oh, that's right, we didn't! :thinker:

And that "The Whole Media" that you're talking about is controlled by a grand total of 6 corporations (that number may jump up to as many as 10 depending on your source's criteria for "major media outlet"). But more than half of the "media" is controlled by a whopping 2 corporations, and neither one of them has a significantly different outlook/agenda. I'll leave it up to you to come to your own conclusions.

I forgot to laugh the first time I read it, maybe you can post it again and the second time around it will be funnier...:zzz:

1 - I don't give a shit whether you think it's funny or not. I didn't do it for laughs (at least not from you). Besides, there's no need for me to make any jokes...your very existence on this site is a bigger joke than I could ever muster.

No, we just differ in opinions. If GM vehicles came equipped with dicks you'd be sucking them off at the dealership. You judge a car/company based on where it's from and the people that make it, not on what it can do and how it was made. That doesn't make me import-biased, it makes you a fan-boy.

2 - Once again...and this is like the 20th time I find myself saying this...YOU ARE THE LAST, AND I MEAN ABSOLUTE LAST, PERSON ON THIS SITE QUALIFIED TO CALL ANYONE A FANBOY OF ANYTHING. YOU ARE SO BLANTANTLY IMPORT-BIASED THAT THERE MUST BE A JAPANESE BLACK HOLE FORMING AROUND YOU RIGHT NOW.

Until you realize that you are on a GM based website and as such, you will find GM fanatics, you are going to continue looking like the fool you look like right now.

If you really, seriously, believe that you can trust what ANY media outlet tells you, then you'd probably be best served by not posting in this section anymore. I would have never thought that anyone in this country over the age of 20 would feel like they could really trust the media these days. In fact, I know of several high school students that have a more mature view of the world than you do. I'm not going to go through the high school economics lecture that you apparent weren't paying attention to back in the day, but the gist of it all is that everything is money. MONEY MONEY MONEY. How do you think the media continues to exist? Money. How do they get that money? Reporting the news. Bad news is worth more than good news, and SOME news is worth alot more if it's not reported (if you get my drift). I'm not here to tell you that Toyota always does this and GM doesn't. But I am here to tell you that if you think Toyota hasn't done this then you better wake your ass up.

Well my only comment is this, I work at a Toyota plant in southern Indiana where we build the Sienna, Highlander, & Sequoia. Anyway While other companies that are "American cars" are moving out of the country to build in other countries where Toyota is building plants in America. I have seen first hand the quality they build into each and every vehicle. Hell many of the Management that works there came from the other BIG 3 and will admit that half the stuff we offline to repair would have just gone out the doors where they use to work. Quality is very important to everyone that works there and I feel good that at least they are trying to make the issues right. No car company is perfect but at least I can say that the vehicles we make here are American made.

Well my only comment is this, I work at a Toyota plant in southern Indiana where we build the Sienna, Highlander, & Sequoia. Anyway While other companies that are "American cars" are moving out of the country to build in other countries where Toyota is building plants in America. I have seen first hand the quality they build into each and every vehicle. Hell many of the Management that works there came from the other BIG 3 and will admit that half the stuff we offline to repair would have just gone out the doors where they use to work. Quality is very important to everyone that works there and I feel good that at least they are trying to make the issues right. No car company is perfect but at least I can say that the vehicles we make here are American made.

And where do all the profits from those vehicles being made here go? What about all the money the US government is HANDING your company to produce vehicles here...what are they doing with it to help us?

I can answer both those questions...those profits go to Japan, to strengthen an economy that we are locked out of. So we see NO BENEFIT at all. Also, all that tax money that WE give Toyota? Well that's helping to put American automakers out of business, costing us exponentially more tax money.

All the Americans employed in this country by Toyota, Honda and Nissan COMBINED don't equal HALF of what the NEW GM (let alone the much larger former GM) employs here. That's not even considering the workforce that Ford and Chrysler have here.

Don't try to act like Toyota is out to help this country. They are here to make money at the expense of the consumer. Just like every single corporation on earth.

LOL ya your right you know all. If you could see all the jobs that they have produced in this area you'd think different. When GM was laying off thousands Toyota didn't. They were actually paying us to do nothing because they don't over staff like GM did for years! I will agree that Toyota is not here to help the country out and don't remember saying that but they are here and will remain here but it doen't look all that good for GM. I really think all you know is what you read on the internet and I guess the internet is all knowing. I am done with this thread. You can think what you think and I can think what I think have a good one.

LOL ya your right you know all. If you could see all the jobs that they have produced in this area you'd think different. When GM was laying off thousands Toyota didn't. They were actually paying us to do nothing because they don't over staff like GM did for years! I will agree that Toyota is not here to help the country out and don't remember saying that but they are here and will remain here but it doen't look all that good for GM. I really think all you know is what you read on the internet and I guess the internet is all knowing. I am done with this thread. You can think what you think and I can think what I think have a good one.

Yeah that's a smart plan, let's keep it that way. You don't know the first thing about me and I don't really care to know the first thing about you.

I wish SOME OTHER participants in this thread would be so smart.

LOL ya your right you know all. If you could see all the jobs that they have produced in this area you'd think different. When GM was laying off thousands Toyota didn't. They were actually paying us to do nothing because they don't over staff like GM did for years! I will agree that Toyota is not here to help the country out and don't remember saying that but they are here and will remain here but it doen't look all that good for GM. I really think all you know is what you read on the internet and I guess the internet is all knowing. I am done with this thread. You can think what you think and I can think what I think have a good one.

See what I have to deal with!! :jest:
Don't let him drive you out of this thread, he bullies people out of threads with his persistence and stupidity, I'm just too stubborn to ever leave the threads he makes an idiot of himself on.
And just so you know, most of the stuff he pulls out of thin air, watching him talk about the gearing ratio's of supercars is hilarious!! :jest:

And that "The Whole Media" that you're talking about is controlled by a grand total of 6 corporations (that number may jump up to as many as 10 depending on your source's criteria for "major media outlet"). But more than half of the "media" is controlled by a whopping 2 corporations, and neither one of them has a significantly different outlook/agenda. I'll leave it up to you to come to your own conclusions.

...(that are usually corporate I understand)...

I guess the way you say things and the way I say things must be in different languages? :confused:
I get it you just want to bitch about something. We say the same thing yet you decide to just reiterate it as if we were arguing... :mullet:


When did we say we hated Toyota because they were Japanese and not because they make shitty cars? Oh, that's right, we didn't! :thinker:

What's with the "We"? Did I quote you at all when I made that post. Hold on let me check...(elevator music)...yeah, No I didn't quote you so I didn't mention you when I posted that. Your very good at linking articles and stories that support your stance on things and very good at ignoring articles and stories that go in the opposite direction.

1 - I don't give a shit whether you think it's funny or not. I didn't do it for laughs (at least not from you). Besides, there's no need for me to make any jokes...your very existence on this site is a bigger joke than I could ever muster.

Whew!!! Thank Goodness that wasn't a joke! You had me worried that it was for a second. :chug:


2 - Once again...and this is like the 20th time I find myself saying this...YOU ARE THE LAST, AND I MEAN ABSOLUTE LAST, PERSON ON THIS SITE QUALIFIED TO CALL ANYONE A FANBOY OF ANYTHING. YOU ARE SO BLANTANTLY IMPORT-BIASED THAT THERE MUST BE A JAPANESE BLACK HOLE FORMING AROUND YOU RIGHT NOW.
Until you realize that you are on a GM based website and as such, you will find GM fanatics, you are going to continue looking like the fool you look like right now.


Since your memory retention is obviously Piss-poor and I hate retyping things, I decided to just link it from a previous thread...

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/10265677-post40.html

And you can add to that a 2001 chevy Silverado to that list, and hopefully a chevy volt here in the future. You can talk the talk you do, but I walk the walk you fruit cake. :gtfo:



If you really, seriously, believe that you can trust what ANY media outlet tells you, then you'd probably be best served by not posting in this section anymore. I would have never thought that anyone in this country over the age of 20 would feel like they could really trust the media these days.

Yet here you are posting thread after thread, link after link of bad reviews about Toyota recalls that you find distributed by the media. And you say I rely too heavily on the media, then tell me the media is pure BS and bias against GM and they never ... blah blah blah. Which is it? Media is good or bad? Is it good when it supports your point of view and piss poor when it goes against your views? Yeah that must be it. :eyes:


In fact, I know of several high school students that have a more mature view of the world than you do. I'm not going to go through the high school economics lecture that you apparent weren't paying attention to back in the day, but the gist of it all is that everything is money. MONEY MONEY MONEY. How do you think the media continues to exist? Money. How do they get that money? Reporting the news. Bad news is worth more than good news, and SOME news is worth alot more if it's not reported (if you get my drift). I'm not here to tell you that Toyota always does this and GM doesn't. But I am here to tell you that if you think Toyota hasn't done this then you better wake your ass up.

There you have it, you hang out with High School students! Makes sense now... :bang:
Your just as bad as XxxGarglexxX when if comes to reading comprehension aren't you? Or maybe you just don't bother reading and just decide to post stupid crap? I already said this you dumb-ass, are you typing things just to see yourself post a combination of letters and words (because monkeys can do that too ya know) or are you trying to make a point that I'VE ALREADY MADE?? Here it is again...read slowly this time, maybe it will help. :eyes:

... because that news doesn't sell. People want sensationalism when they turn on the news and GM going bankrupt always sells more than Toyota recalling x vehicles.
Also local news always out-sells world news, ...GM/Ford/Dodge are American companies so of course our media is gonna be more in tune and interested with what happens with them, because in turn we are more interested in them.

You just want to argue...at least give me something to discuss, I don't like arguing about points I've already made. :zzz:

well this was a waste of my time reading this but ill add to it anyways i personally know a guy i went to auto school with who worked down at the yota plant in evansville and absolutely will not buy a yota because of seeing how they are made

Whew!!! Thank Goodness that wasn't a joke! You had me worried that it was for a second. :chug:



Since your memory retention is obviously Piss-poor and I hate retyping things, I decided to just link it from a previous thread...

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/10265677-post40.html

And you can add to that a 2001 chevy Silverado to that list, and hopefully a chevy volt here in the future. You can talk the talk you do, but I walk the walk you fruit cake. :gtfo:




Yet here you are posting thread after thread, link after link of bad reviews about Toyota recalls that you find distributed by the media. And you say I rely too heavily on the media, then tell me the media is pure BS and bias against GM and they never ... blah blah blah. Which is it? Media is good or bad? Is it good when it supports your point of view and piss poor when it goes against your views? Yeah that must be it. :eyes:




There you have it, you hang out with High School students! Makes sense now... :bang:
Your just as bad as XxxGarglexxX when if comes to reading comprehension aren't you? Or maybe you just don't bother reading and just decide to post stupid crap? I already said this you dumb-ass, are you typing things just to see yourself post a combination of letters and words (because monkeys can do that too ya know) or are you trying to make a point that I'VE ALREADY MADE?? Here it is again...read slowly this time, maybe it will help. :eyes:



You just want to argue...at least give me something to discuss, I don't like arguing about points I've already made. :zzz:

Are you serious?!

You argue like you're in high school!! Maybe your regressing? Are you going to call me a big poopoo head and go crying to your mom next?

You try to deflect criticism of yourself by projecting your own image onto those who challenge you. This is nothing new, and ONCE AGAIN you are accomplishing nothing more than moving ANOTHER thread towards lockdown.

I'm out. I'll see you in the next thread you decide to destroy.

So toyota's fix for this is to ziptie your floormats down.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/08/toyotas-solution-for-troublesome-floormats-tie-them-down/

yes this is true...we have done this to our new vehicles we have on the lot. This is temporarly untill they come up with a proper fix.

as for customer's vehicles they get the option of either:
a. giving us permission to remove their driver's side floormat & placing it in the trunk.
b. acknowlede the possible safety issue with the floormat and sign a "waiver" to keep their current floormat in place.

the picture in this article is wrong though. that is an all-weather floormat, which yes, that has be re-called since you can clearly see that the floormat interfers with the gas pedal since the mat is not of proper size/shape. That is not the issue this time around. if you look at the new floormats toyota uses there is no way under normal circumstances would the floormat interfere with the gas pedal. the issue arises when the floormat moves up from all the getting in/out of your vehicle,stepping on it, kicking it around (thats the best way i can explain it).

the all-weather floormat recall...they took care of it already, but yes, they do deserve all the "heat" for providing an unsafe product.

this time around however, i believe that people/media are placing to much blame on toyota for this. i think its more of the owners responsibilty IMO. toyota provides hooks to secure your floormat, and the floormat is the correct size/shape. if you can not make sure the floormat is secured on the hooks or you have multiple mats ( i have seen many situations where customers have multiple floormats, towels, even househould carpet) then i feel the responsabilty should be yours not toyota's.

im not saying toyota is the best or better than any other manufacturer, or that they are perfect. im just stating my opion on THIS issue only.

Are you serious?!

You argue like you're in high school!! Maybe your regressing? Are you going to call me a big poopoo head and go crying to your mom next?

You try to deflect criticism of yourself by projecting your own image onto those who challenge you. This is nothing new, and ONCE AGAIN you are accomplishing nothing more than moving ANOTHER thread towards lockdown.

I'm out. I'll see you in the next thread you decide to destroy.


:( sniff sniff

this time around however, i believe that people/media are placing to much blame on toyota for this. i think its more of the owners responsibilty IMO. toyota provides hooks to secure your floormat, and the floormat is the correct size/shape. if you can not make sure the floormat is secured on the hooks or you have multiple mats ( i have seen many situations where customers have multiple floormats, towels, even househould carpet) then i feel the responsabilty should be yours not toyota's.

im not saying toyota is the best or better than any other manufacturer, or that they are perfect. im just stating my opion on THIS issue only.

I agree completely. I do think Toyota SHOULD put some emphasis in the future on designing vehicles and floormats so this can't ever be a problem, however this is hardly a big horrible mistake by Toyota. I do however want this stuff to be known since for years American automakers have been towed through the mud over issues just like this, while Toyota, Honda, and Nissan have done worse and managed to stay out of the spotlight...thus creating the very unfortunate image problems that we have now with Domestic vs. import.

I agree completely. I do think Toyota SHOULD put some emphasis in the future on designing vehicles and floormats so this can't ever be a problem, however this is hardly a big horrible mistake by Toyota. I do however want this stuff to be known since for years American automakers have been towed through the mud over issues just like this, while Toyota, Honda, and Nissan have done worse and managed to stay out of the spotlight...thus creating the very unfortunate image problems that we have now with Domestic vs. import.


You two should meet, ya'll have alot in common...

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/moogle2/wrench.jpg


I thought you were out of this thread Mr. "Image problems that we have now with Domestic vs. Import" :rolleyes:

don't say toyotas are made in the usa because they aren't. they are only assembled here. Japanese are also horribly racist people and hate foreigners. I have to go there for business all the time and they regularly refuse service to you if you are not japanese

I thought you were out of this thread Mr. "Image problems that we have now with Domestic vs. Import" :rolleyes:

I didn't say that, I said I was out of the argument with you. Most members of this site have learned to just ignore you. I'm doing the same, at least in this thread.

don't say toyotas are made in the usa because they aren't. they are only assembled here. Japanese are also horribly racist people and hate foreigners. I have to go there for business all the time and they regularly refuse service to you if you are not japanese


Wrong, I got there for business as well and that is not the case.

don't say toyotas are made in the usa because they aren't. they are only assembled here. Japanese are also horribly racist people and hate foreigners. I have to go there for business all the time and they regularly refuse service to you if you are not japanese

Japanese are brought up as protectionists. They have a very strong sense of pride and as such are very very competitive. My experience with urban areas in the southern part of the country is about the same as yours. They are definitely less inclined to service those from outside their country. In fact, in largely populated areas, it goes even further to include those from Japan, but outside of that particular area.

I just can't believe its their SECOND floor mat recall, how fucking hard is it to make sure this doesn't happen?

Toyota Owners: So stupid and weak even a floor mat can kill them hahaha

Wrong, I got there for business as well and that is not the case.

No actually I'm right you are wrong. I can't count the number of times I have been denied entry to places because I was not Japanese. There are also no laws in Japan against racism. Get your facts straight

No actually I'm right you are wrong. I can't count the number of times I have been denied entry to places because I was not Japanese. There are also no laws in Japan against racism. Get your facts straight

With Respect you earn respect...you should learn it and maybe you'll do fine over there...:eyes:

With Respect you earn respect...you should learn it and maybe you'll do fine over there...:eyes:

How do you know I was disrespectful of anyone or anything? When you can't even get in the door of an establish as a well dressed educated individual how do you earn respect? You are saying this to someone you don't even know in a country I doubt you have ever been to. YOU SHOULD LEARN SOME RESPECT. There is no maybe about anything when you are refused entry to places because of your race. The only time I can get in to nice restaraunts or night clubs is with my Japanese business associates presence. Alone I am completely discriminated against. Did you think Jim Crow laws were OK because they were "seperate but equal" when they denied entry to others based on their race? What century do you live in?

How do you know I was disrespectful of anyone or anything? When you can't even get in the door of an establish as a well dressed educated individual how do you earn respect? You are saying this to someone you don't even know in a country I doubt you have ever been to. YOU SHOULD LEARN SOME RESPECT. There is no maybe about anything when you are refused entry to places because of your race. The only time I can get in to nice restaraunts or night clubs is with my Japanese business associates presence. Alone I am completely discriminated against. Did you think Jim Crow laws were OK because they were "seperate but equal" when they denied entry to others based on their race? What century do you live in?

Don't waste your time dude, it's a dead end street.

I HAVE actually been to the country (even dated two girls while there) and I can attest to what you are saying. Nuff said. Point made.

How do you know I was disrespectful of anyone or anything? When you can't even get in the door of an establish as a well dressed educated individual how do you earn respect? You are saying this to someone you don't even know in a country I doubt you have ever been to. YOU SHOULD LEARN SOME RESPECT. There is no maybe about anything when you are refused entry to places because of your race. The only time I can get in to nice restaraunts or night clubs is with my Japanese business associates presence. Alone I am completely discriminated against. Did you think Jim Crow laws were OK because they were "seperate but equal" when they denied entry to others based on their race? What century do you live in?

Your right, I haven't met you yet the fact that you generalize a culture as horribly racist people and hate foreigners leads me to believe you judge a people a little too freely based on your experiences and seem carry that resentment with you. If you said "I've had a terrible time there and do not enjoy the people or the culture" it would not of sounded like such an ignorant statement IMO.

I've been going there 6 times a year for the past 10 years for business, and their culture is an honor based culture that bleeds respect. In my experience if you snub your nose at them or look down upon them you'll be treated as such.


Don't waste your time dude, it's a dead end street.

I HAVE actually been to the country (even dated two girls while there) and I can attest to what you are saying. Nuff said. Point made.

I'm right here sugar cakes... :kiss:
There's no need keep crying for attention and friends because your still a douche who lies and manipulates facts to support your bigotry.

Your right, I haven't met you yet the fact that you generalize a culture as leads me to believe you judge a people a little too freely based on your experiences and seem carry that resentment with you. If you said "I've had a terrible time there and do not enjoy the people or the culture" it would not of sounded like such an ignorant statement IMO.

I've been going there 6 times a year for the past 10 years for business, and their culture is an honor based culture that bleeds respect. In my experience if you snub your nose at them or look down upon them you'll be treated as such.




I'm right here sugar cakes... :kiss:
There's no need keep crying for attention and friends because your still a douche who lies and manipulates facts to support your bigotry.

I am not generalizing a culture I am stating facts. If they are so honorable why do they put class a war criminals from ww2 in yasakuni shrine and worship them? why do they believe it is ok to tell people what they want to hear and not what the truth? Why do they regularly print racist remarks in their paper about other countries? Why do they refuse to formally apologize for ww2 and compensate the victims? Why do they lie to their children about their history? Why do their elected officials say racist things about other countries? Why do they not allow everyone to go everywhere in their country and treat everyone equally? So now you tell me they are honorable and bleed respect, well you have a very warped sense of honor and respect. And these are not fringe elements, they are elected officials and official policy. So you defend bigots and hate, because the aforementioned things are facts going on today. Maybe you should pull your head out of the sand and look at what goes on there. I am in Yokohama, Toyohashi, Kobe, Nagoya and Shimizu all the time, and see these things all the time.

You work on RoRo's don't you?

I did for a while. Now I work container ships. Done several shipyards in Japan too. Also the navy bases. And you?

Military Sea-lift Command and Pre-Po ships. Also spent a couple seasons working at the APL offices in Yokohama and Honk Kong and Singapore.

I'm right here sugar cakes... :kiss:
There's no need keep crying for attention and friends because your still a douche who lies and manipulates facts to support your bigotry.

I manipulate facts? Well at least you're recognizing that I use facts and not just useless bullshit to support my opinions. I guess we are making progress here.

How many people have to realize you're an idiot before you do? Just wondering because if I got called out on bullshit as much as you do, I think i'd be getting the hint by now.

Oh and i'll try to let you down easy here, but i'm not gay. So you can stop winking and blowing kisses at me. Besides I don't think i'm your type anyway.

Ummm....when you manipulate something...it loses it's value. :emb: Therefore it's no longer a fact. :(
And I don't lose any sleep at night thinking about how many people on here think I'm an idiot, I've made lots of good relationships/friendships via this forum and could care less about what your opinions on what the rest of the membership group thinks of me "ohh all wise and powerful all-seeing super-member"... :rolleyes:

Hint: You have a hard enough time speaking for yourself without sounding like an idiot...try not to speak for other people. :)

And I don't lose any sleep at night thinking about how many people on here think I'm an idiot, I've made lots of good relationships/friendships via this forum and could care less about what your opinions on what the rest of the membership group thinks of me "ohh all wise and powerful all-seeing super-member"... :rolleyes:

Good for you!! That's great man, it really is!!

Hint: You have a hard enough time speaking for yourself without sounding like an idiot...try not to speak for other people. :)

It's quite obvious here who's the idiot. Mine and your opinions don't really matter on this subject...anyone can look through all of our posts and find me being called out by you and chris, and you and chris being called out by me and EVERYONE ELSE IN THAT THREAD.

No manipulation of facts is needed to see that.

It's quite obvious here who's the idiot. Mine and your opinions don't really matter on this subject...anyone can look through all of our posts and find me being called out by you and chris, and you and chris being called out by me and EVERYONE ELSE IN THAT THREAD.

No manipulation of facts is needed to see that.

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Dude...Nobody likes you. Stop trying to associate yourself with anyone else that I have discussions with. :jest:
Your a tool and can't carry a discussion without inventing facts, nobody else does that in here but you... :jest:

:jest:
Dude...Nobody likes you. Stop trying to associate yourself with anyone else that I have discussions with. :jest:
Your a tool and can't carry a discussion without inventing facts, nobody else does that in here but you... :jest:

Seriously?!

Are you 14 years old?!

What a joke.

I dont like toyotas because none of there cars have SOUL, Im a gearhead go figure

Seriously?!

Are you 14 years old?!

What a joke.

Yup, I'm 14...glad you got the joke.

:eyes: