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SRT10KLLR
10-10-2009, 09:32 PM
The Camaro was tuned with HP Tuners and the TM was removed. At the track it spins going into 2nd and 3rd. I want to fix that so it doesn't spin and make it safer at the track and maybe pick up a little time too. I have EFI Live and want to soften the shifts a little.

Any tuners out there that can help?

Here are some vids so you can see what I mean by spinning on the 1-2 shift and 2-3 shift.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_20090926205012.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=20090926205012.flv)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_20090926212742.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=20090926212742.flv)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_20090926200017.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=20090926200017.flv)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_20090926202833.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=20090926202833.flv)

Thanks, any help would be appreciated.

BTW, it is a 2010 Camaro L99 6spd Auto.

HaulinHawk
10-10-2009, 10:00 PM
Why wouldnt u just put a stickier set of tires on it at the track?Get a second set of rims with some mt drag radials.Check out OrangeChevyII setup .I believe he's runnin a 18' corvette rim with a dr on it.

SRT10KLLR
10-10-2009, 10:23 PM
Those runs were with Nitto 555R DR's on stock wheels. Also, I even tried lowering the PSI to 15 to no avail. I should be able to adjust the shifting in the TCM. Just need to know what parameters to change.

HaulinHawk
10-11-2009, 07:20 AM
:bang:Im assuming a 20' rim correct?Your gonna need to run a 18' rim and a mt dr to get everything out of the car.Nittos on a 20' rim arent gonna cut it,a 20' rim or bigger just isnt condusive to good track times.Programing more tm into the equation,is only covering up the problem and takin away the potential of the car.:nod:Put a really good tire on it,play with the shift points,an try diff launch rpms to see what it likes.

unit213
10-11-2009, 08:17 AM
You want to add the torque management back into the tune? :confused:

I have a buddy that run's 10.80's on a 20" Nitto drag radial. They are great tires
for a 20". I'm sure you know that you have to do a John Force style burnout to really
get some heat into those Nittos.

SRT10KLLR
10-11-2009, 12:03 PM
It dead hooks of the line but when going into 2nd it kicks to the side while spinning. The track was prepped good on the start but only for the first 60ft or so. I did not want to go any lower than 15 PSI in the tires. I heat the tires up by spinning until they grab and shoot the car forward then try a dry burnout. If it doesn't spin I know the tires are ready if not I do another burnout.

I can try 18" wheels with other DR's but it will not help me on the street. It would still shift very harsh. If I could just reduce the amount of TM taken out it would be perfect.

HaulinHawk
10-12-2009, 08:10 AM
You want to add the torque management back into the tune? :confused:

I have a buddy that run's 10.80's on a 20" Nitto drag radial. They are great tires
for a 20". I'm sure you know that you have to do a John Force style burnout to really
get some heat into those Nittos.

I never really had alot of success with nittos at the track.But u are correct,i think if u do a bigger/longer burnout at the track ;ala johforce style they will work better for u.:nod:You gotta really put alot of heat in these tires,for them to work.I was assumin u were talkin about a track setup,thats why i sugested that rim/tire setup.I still dont think u wanna add tm back in .You will be takin potential out of the car.Maybe check out bmr for there new susp parts.Prolly will help ya hook .

someday
10-12-2009, 02:27 PM
y did it show u going 13.0 @ 178??? they use kilometers/hr in Cali??
i'd love to have a car that chirped in 2nd and 3rd...

Larry
09-24-2010, 04:12 PM
Go back and enable all TM under transmission. Then try shortening your 1-2 and 2-3 upshift times. Then under Engine Spark there are new spark limiters tables in the latest beta. Adjust them to your liking. Might take some experimenting but I think with those new tables you can get there.

Fast 2010
09-25-2010, 08:26 AM
Im using those same 20'' Nittos putting them at 11psi running 11.0's . I gotta do the nastiest burnout you can think of to pull off a decent 60' . If i dont my 1/4 et is .5 slower. IMO those tires arent made for what we are trying to do with them. There just the closest thing avaliable right now. Junk IMO !! Go withe the smaller wheels and watch the times drop.... look @ OrangeChevy II 's set up.:nod:

Slowhawk
10-11-2010, 09:40 PM
I know the post is alittle old but I did some testing on my car. I ran 28lbs in them and dead hooked the bastards to a lame 1.93 60' and the shifts were harder than yours.Barely barked the tires. Ended up[ running 12.5 at 111mph 3 times.

I'm guessing your shift times are too low. These tranny's tune different than the older 4L60's.

foff667
10-13-2010, 03:56 PM
There are also alot of tables in our software to scale back tq management that unfortunately your software hasn't unlocked for you yet so it might not just been the shift times...things like shift tq facter for each shift really help.

SRTKLLR
10-13-2010, 07:18 PM
Can't believe it has been a year, lol.



Have and use both EFI Live and HP Tuners. Softened up the shifting and switched to the newer Nitto NT05R in a 315 for better grip.

Here are newer vids:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_20100319002945.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=20100319002945.flv)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_20100319004805.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=20100319004805.flv)

Ran back to back 11.3's that day.

The tranny is going away again though. The tuning will be finalized with HPT then switched to EFI so we can use a switch to run different tune for a 300 shot.:eek:

Ryne @ CMS
10-15-2010, 12:13 PM
Can't believe it has been a year, lol.



Have and use both EFI Live and HP Tuners. Softened up the shifting and switched to the newer Nitto NT05R in a 315 for better grip.

Here are newer vids:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_20100319002945.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=20100319002945.flv)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_20100319004805.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=20100319004805.flv)

Ran back to back 11.3's that day.

The tranny is going away again though. The tuning will be finalized with HPT then switched to EFI so we can use a switch to run different tune for a 300 shot.:eek:

with your power level your trans should not be going, diffently a tune issue, with the new beta software there is alot more control of the tq management with really allows the tuner to dial it in for both performance and trans longevity.

94 guy
10-16-2010, 09:15 PM
ryne, do you help people with hp to tune the transmission?

SRTKLLR
10-17-2010, 12:18 PM
with your power level your trans should not be going, diffently a tune issue, with the new beta software there is alot more control of the tq management with really allows the tuner to dial it in for both performance and trans longevity.On the dyno it made +640hp and 811tq and the tune was not yet finalized because a bad ground with the nitrous.

The tuner also tunes my cousins Camaro and it runs 10.3's consistently with a Maggie at 14 PSI.

I went to your shop to schedule some time to dyno tune it but you never called back. I was in a bit of a hurry so I ended up using RPM, Haddad and Adam@ST for some stuff.

Ryne @ CMS
10-17-2010, 12:50 PM
ryne, do you help people with hp to tune the transmission?

what do you mean? dont understand the question

Ryne @ CMS
10-17-2010, 12:52 PM
On the dyno it made +640hp and 811tq and the tune was not yet finalized because a bad ground with the nitrous.

The tuner also tunes my cousins Camaro and it runs 10.3's consistently with a Maggie at 14 PSI.

I went to your shop to schedule some time to dyno tune it but you never called back. I was in a bit of a hurry so I ended up using RPM, Haddad and Adam@ST for some stuff.

yeah the reason i didnt feel like tuning your ride was because you had gone to multiple other shops already, i am not the type to get involved in that... also you wanted me to drive to anahiem to get your camaro running at another shop, which i believe had another tuner there, didnt feel like dealing with that either.... sorry if this is offensive, not my intention

94 guy
10-17-2010, 12:56 PM
do you guys take TM out completely? i have a L99 that made 594hp-522tq i'm wondering if i should have all the TM taken out?

Ryne @ CMS
10-17-2010, 01:47 PM
do you guys take TM out completely? i have a L99 that made 594hp-522tq i'm wondering if i should have all the TM taken out?

i wouldnt take it all the way out, but rather limit the amount of timing it pulls on shifts, which the new beta software offers.

SRTKLLR
10-17-2010, 02:41 PM
yeah the reason i didnt feel like tuning your ride was because you had gone to multiple other shops already, i am not the type to get involved in that... also you wanted me to drive to anahiem to get your camaro running at another shop, which i believe had another tuner there, didnt feel like dealing with that either.... sorry if this is offensive, not my intentionAt the time I talked to you I had not taken it to the shops mentioned yet. The shop that did the install of the heads, cam etc. had an in house tuner but I did not want to use his services.

As you know almost all dyno shops have their own tuner and they try and have you use their services. I only used the dyno at Haddad and Church Auto with the car being tuned remotely by Tune Time. Adam just helped me tune for the 100 shot to try and make it to Fontana the next day. He was at his shop until like 11PM working on the Camaro and then jumped on to finish the tuning on his own. He did not even charge me for his time/services which is why when I need future services wheather it be installing a Kenne Bell on the Camaro or dyno tuning the turbo in the Silverado or turbo Hemi Ram I will be giving him a call.

Also, a lot of people from down south send me their rides to mod and tune so I need to be able to get them on the dyno quickly. Sometimes shops are busy so I go wherever I can get in. I like dealing with people like Adam@ST, Pete@WOT, Charlie@RPM the guys at Church and the guys at EFI Univ in Temecula where I took some classed. They have always been a great group of guys and very helpful.

BTW, I was going to drive to your location not have you meet me in Anaheim to use their dyno. Their dyno is not a load bearing unit plus I would not want to put two tuners in the same room, lol.

SRTKLLR
10-17-2010, 03:14 PM
Dyno time gets very expensive. When I went to RPM the knock sensor was going crazy so they had to tune around it. Sine we were going to run a max of 300 shot I did not want to sensors desensitized. The sensor was damaged when installing the engine so they put a new knock sensor in but RPM was busy so I used Haddad. Then we ran into the ground problem with the dedicated fuel system on the nitrous and ran out of nitrous and air in the NANO bottle. Haddad filled the juice but it was late and we couldn't fill the NANO.

I wanted to go to the track to do some testing since CA Speedway only opens about once a month so Adam helped me out on just a quick track tune using a 100 shot. It was more like a 50 shot though since the window switch was set for 3500/6000 and the shift were at about 7000 and the progressive started at 50% and ramped up to 100% in 1 second. Still managed a 12.1 all motor and 11.7 on the spray that day.

If the sensor was not damaged and we had found the ground wire problem sooner it would have been tuned in a day and saved a bunch of money and time. But stuff happens.:bang:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/DynoAfter.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/jaimenaandnos.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/DynoGraph3.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_MOV01180.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=MOV01180.mp4)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/CamaroAveOriginal.jpg

Now that the car is doing good it's time to bring it back and go FI. On the 200 shot the bottle is only good for about 4-5 runs and it costs $120 to fill in Mexico so going FI will actually save a little dough in the long run.

Ryne @ CMS
10-17-2010, 05:11 PM
Dyno time gets very expensive. When I went to RPM the knock sensor was going crazy so they had to tune around it. Sine we were going to run a max of 300 shot I did not want to sensors desensitized. The sensor was damaged when installing the engine so they put a new knock sensor in but RPM was busy so I used Haddad. Then we ran into the ground problem with the dedicated fuel system on the nitrous and ran out of nitrous and air in the NANO bottle. Haddad filled the juice but it was late and we couldn't fill the NANO.

I wanted to go to the track to do some testing since CA Speedway only opens about once a month so Adam helped me out on just a quick track tune using a 100 shot. It was more like a 50 shot though since the window switch was set for 3500/6000 and the shift were at about 7000 and the progressive started at 50% and ramped up to 100% in 1 second. Still managed a 12.1 all motor and 11.7 on the spray that day.

If the sensor was not damaged and we had found the ground wire problem sooner it would have been tuned in a day and saved a bunch of money and time. But stuff happens.:bang:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/DynoAfter.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/jaimenaandnos.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/DynoGraph3.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/th_MOV01180.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/Camaro%20Vids/?action=view&current=MOV01180.mp4)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/SRT10KLLR/CamaroAveOriginal.jpg

Now that the car is doing good it's time to bring it back and go FI. On the 200 shot the bottle is only good for about 4-5 runs and it costs $120 to fill in Mexico so going FI will actually save a little dough in the long run.

well it sounds like you have everything all sorted out with tuners then.... but you wont get a better tune or service from anyone else then me in the socal area.... and to just touch base me tuning your car, i told you when you came in i had customer ahead of you and i was busy, as much as i wanted to tune your car , i cant neglect my current customers, i am a small shop that performs high quality work, which takes time and needs proper scheduling.

SRTKLLR
10-17-2010, 07:02 PM
well it sounds like you have everything all sorted out with tuners then.... but you wont get a better tune or service from anyone else then me in the socal area.... and to just touch base me tuning your car, i told you when you came in i had customer ahead of you and i was busy, as much as i wanted to tune your car , i cant neglect my current customers, i am a small shop that performs high quality work, which takes time and needs proper scheduling.That wasn't it but regardless I would have appreciated it if you had taken the time from your busy schedule to return my call and let me know there were no spots open. I had to scrabble to find a place that could get me in with little notice.

Ryne @ CMS
10-17-2010, 08:49 PM
That wasn't it but regardless I would have appreciated it if you had taken the time from your busy schedule to return my call and let me know there were no spots open. I had to scrabble to find a place that could get me in with little notice.

you had actually stopped by my shop and i had told you then that i was busy, i actually just spoke to mike my tech who was there with me... you came in on a friday asking about tuning, you said the car is at superior automotive in anaheim, and they were finishing the car as we spoke, then wanted me to go out there and tow the car back to my shop for tuning on the following monday, you left in your white silverado truck and before you left you told me you were going to call me and let me know if car would be done on monday to pick up..... all that being said you A) never called me... B) you assumed i was going to pick your car up even though through the course of our conversation when you were at my shop i told i did not have time to go to anaheim to pick it up.... please dont say i didnt "call" you back, that simply wasnt the case, you never called us...

SRTKLLR
10-17-2010, 10:25 PM
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