Gen 5 Camaro Racing Tech, Results - 12.6s Stock!

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Great times. Kind of strange but I think those times are around what most of us expected with the LS3. I think it's kind of like why the hell aren't more running these times stock? IMO. Congrats on getting yours to go faster stock than anyone elses. I ran 13.49 @102+ in my TBSS stock and backed it up at least 5 more times that day, so i know the feeling. You should share your tips with the rest so you have some competition lol.

Great times. Kind of strange but I think those times are around what most of us expected with the LS3. I think it's kind of like why the hell aren't more running these times stock? IMO. Congrats on getting yours to go faster stock than anyone elses. I ran 13.49 @102+ in my TBSS stock and backed it up at least 5 more times that day, so i know the feeling. You should share your tips with the rest so you have some competition lol.

I wish it was my car, mines a L99, just sharing the post with ls1tech, and your right that is how these cars should run! :cool:

Not to nitpick, but he had a K&N drop in filter. If you were going for a "bone stock" record, why not keep the paper filter so there's no question about it?

Not to nitpick, but he had a K&N drop in filter. If you were going for a "bone stock" record, why not keep the paper filter so there's no question about it?

word. fail on bone stock.

Anyone know the DA? I'm guessing it was negative something.

damn. i wish he hadnt have changed his air filter. :(

"Im not going to lie ive put royal purple in the whole car and a K@N oil and air filter thats it"

"Running a K&N in the factory airbox doesn't count as a mod."


Yeah..........


They should change it to FACTORY BONE STOCK.

I don’t see how changing an air filter is a mod. Its a regular maintenance item just as putting synthetic oil would not be consider a mod. If you had a bone stock car and took the air filter out at the track would that be consider a mod?

The DA was in the 1200-1300s if I remember right.

If you want to be a nazi and call his times BS then you drastically reduce the amount of people who can compete for the bone stock record. If royal purple oil is a mod then almost no one who races will be "bone stock" and all of the bone stock times won't be that great due to less competition.

Car ran a 12.6 at over 110 with MAYBE 10 flywheel hp over stock, still great times if you ask me.

Great times.........but it is still not stock

Those are good times for sure, I have been waiting to see some deeper 12's from a 2010.

With a set of Dr's he would be in the low low 12's. 1.9 60 ft is crap.

The DA was in the 1200-1300s if I remember right.

If you want to be a nazi and call his times BS then you drastically reduce the amount of people who can compete for the bone stock record. If royal purple oil is a mod then almost no one who races will be "bone stock" and all of the bone stock times won't be that great due to less competition.

Car ran a 12.6 at over 110 with MAYBE 10 flywheel hp over stock, still great times if you ask me.

I could see people arguing it not being stock if someone put non factory oil in the tranny and rear....... engine oil who cares... that gets changed often, tranny and rear fluid do not.... but then many would not care.... a filter is still a mod........ like they say though....... give someone and inch and they will take a mile.


It seems this happens a lot... someone says they broke the stock record or ran a time stock then after some questions you find out it has some weight pulled or a different filter..... when the LS1 cars first came out it was hard to find guys racing their cars as they came from the dealer..... nothing changed or removed.

Anyone know the DA? I'm guessing it was negative something.

heres the DA and the correction-

Density Altitude:1395 feet above sea level

1/4 mile ET:12.621 seconds

1/4 mile trap speed:110.30 MPH

Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.43 @ 112.024 MPH

Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.526 @ 111.287 MPH

Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines
12.565 @ 110.804 MPH

A K&N Filter is not a gain.

I ran my LS1 at East Side Performance's dyno with a dirty ass K&N filter, made 408whp (Basic heads/cams) and made 411 with NO air filter. I could dig out the dyno sheets somewhere..

Its not a mod, its a filter. In stock class competition in all venues of the SCCA, which allows NO modifications to the engine, allows any filter because it doesn't make a difference.

His car is still 100% stock.

A K&N Filter is not a gain.

I ran my LS1 at East Side Performance's dyno with a dirty ass K&N filter, made 408whp (Basic heads/cams) and made 411 with NO air filter. I could dig out the dyno sheets somewhere..

Its not a mod, its a filter. In stock class competition in all venues of the SCCA, which allows NO modifications to the engine, allows any filter because it doesn't make a difference.

His car is still 100% stock.

Agreed. Several tests have been done on K&N filters and they don't make a difference.

I thought most stock 2010's have been trapping 110 :confused:.

It shouldnt count as stock.

Just think about it this way.

The year is 2011 and the new 400hp Mustang GT is running some good times. Someone has just ran a 12.5 with their 2011 GT beating out the 2011 camaros best time of 12.6. The car was stock...it had a K&N filter and he also changed his fluids to royal purple.

What do you think the camaro fan base would have to say about this?

It wouldnt stand for even one second.

Cmon now guys. It is a solid impressive run. But regardless of the variables it can not be considered stock.

It shouldnt count as stock.

Just think about it this way.

The year is 2011 and the new 400hp Mustang GT is running some good times. Someone has just ran a 12.5 with their 2011 GT beating out the 2011 camaros best time of 12.6. The car was stock...it had a K&N filter and he also changed his fluids to royal purple.

What do you think the camaro fan base would have to say about this?

It wouldnt stand for even one second.

Cmon now guys. It is a solid impressive run. But regardless of the variables it can not be considered stock.


Agreed. I can't count all the "stock" threads on here that have been posted and it was pages of people saying a mustang OR Camaro should not be counted becasuse of the filter........... when the LS1 first came out it seemed like there was a thread on this every day......


By definition a mod is something done to a car that is aftermarket.... in other words not a factory installed part or option. GM is NOT putting K&N and RP into cars from the factory...............


If this was on a Mustang though this thread would have exploded.


Yeah most stock allow them but with everyone saying they don't do anything then why run them at all or even allow them? Stock classes are there to keep costs down.......... a $50 or whatever filter is just an added cost if it does not work or do much.........

With the 98 cars when they came out everyone on this site did not count their stock times unless they were as stock as they were off the show room floor................... things change I guess.......

Agreed. I can't count all the "stock" threads on here that have been posted and it was pages of people saying a mustang OR Camaro should not be counted becasuse of the filter........... when the LS1 first came out it seemed like there was a thread on this every day......


By definition a mod is something done to a car that is aftermarket.... in other words not a factory installed part or option. GM is NOT putting K&N and RP into cars from the factory...............


If this was on a Mustang though this thread would have exploded.


Yeah most stock allow them but with everyone saying they don't do anything then why run them at all or even allow them? Stock classes are there to keep costs down.......... a $50 or whatever filter is just an added cost if it does not work or do much.........

With the 98 cars when they came out everyone on this site did not count their stock times unless they were as stock as they were off the show room floor................... things change I guess.......

I guess it boils down to the definition of 'stock'. The 'filter' rule in stock SCCA classing acknowledges that there is 'no useable gain' from switching filter media. Its a pretty lame debate (that I'm contributing to lol).


Still, if I put RP and a filter in my car and it no longer is called 'stock', to me personally, that's ridiculous. its 'enhanced'.. or something, but its definitely stock. I ran a 13.181@107.9 in my Z28 when it was 'stock'. ironically, it had a Napa Gold filter.. not a K&N.. but its not an AC Delco. Does that mean it wasn't stock?

If I had a 2010 Camaro that ran a 12.6 and I was beat by a 2011 Mustang that ran a 12.5 and he had a K&N filter, I would never complain about the fact that he had a filter..

...annnnndd back on topic... (sorry OP)

Congrats on the time. You have a sweet new ride! As soon as my Evo is paid for (SOO CLOSE) I may just go get myself another Camaro. I miss my 02 Z28!

The DA was in the 1200-1300s if I remember right.

If you want to be a nazi and call his times BS then you drastically reduce the amount of people who can compete for the bone stock record. If royal purple oil is a mod then almost no one who races will be "bone stock" and all of the bone stock times won't be that great due to less competition.

Car ran a 12.6 at over 110 with MAYBE 10 flywheel hp over stock, still great times if you ask me.

Exactly. It seems people who compete in their cars understand the real definition of stock.. or at least the more current/updated definition.

Calling a K&N filter a "modification" is like calling a "drug dealer" an "unlicensed pharmacist", B.S. It's just an air filter, nothing more. I saw one of the new Camaros run a couple of weeks ago and it's major problem was wheel hop. It ran 13.6 @ 107.9, going through the traps in third gear. The owner said he got 22.5 mpg on the trip down to Tulsa into a 20 mph headwind and would probably get around 25 mpgs, with the tail wind on the way home.

Wow, the "STOCK" nazis really know how to strut their stuff around here!

First, congrats on the best stock time I have seen so far :)

Second, it is stock by every definition except your own stock nazi definition....no one would argue if the intake piping had been changed, etc that is wasn't stock...but just a filter swap....GOOD GRIEF!!

Congrats again on your STOCK time :D

Wow, the "STOCK" nazis really know how to strut their stuff around here!

First, congrats on the best stock time I have seen so far :)

Second, it is stock by every definition except your own stock nazi definition....no one would argue if the intake piping had been changed, etc that is wasn't stock...but just a filter swap....GOOD GRIEF!!

Congrats again on your STOCK time :D

I'm going to have to agree. That car is stock. I'm sure the air pressure in the tires aren't the same now as it was when it came off the line, So you going to consider it not stock?
Its a filter not a CAI. I doubt it gain 1hp and probably only helped by .01 in times.

Congrats on a great time.

For the people caslling it stock.. RP and other synthetics's are proven to make power (small amounts but still power) and allow the engine to go threw the RPM's faster...... can't agure that as a mod but I am sure people will......

I went from dyno oil to synthetic in the engine and rear in my old 96 and the difference was impressive.

I guess it would then be ok to run a 160 t stat..... it is nothing big.... just lowers the engine temps making power......then might as well pull the emmisions stuff and the cats..... alls those do is clean the exhaust.... they don't make power or anything......


The people that compete comment is just funny....... just people there is nothing special past or present in someone's sig does not mean anything........


I guess this site has just changed a lot in the last few years..... like I said, a few years ago a filter was not stock and the guys trying to break into the 12's stock in the 98 cars had the filter and oil that the car came with from GM and the people with filters were brushed aside....... all well.


Congrats though on the time...... impressive for how heavy those cars are...

Doesn’t the 5th Gen come with mobile 1 synthetic oil already? If so changing brands wouldn't be a mod IMO.

I have seen tests showing that K&N filters hinder performance, not improve it..

:lol:!!!!! At you people saying royal purple makes it not stock. :eyes:

Doesn’t the 5th Gen come with mobile 1 synthetic oil already? If so changing brands wouldn't be a mod IMO.

Doubt the tranny fluid and rear end fluid are synthetic.

If it is then the arguments are mute.

Anybody saying that the car is not stock is retarded. I agree with the one guy that said he had a different oil filter and the other guy with the air difference in the tires would it be considered stock. And to the guy that said he had a 96 that changed to synthetics and seen impressive gains, well that is lame and apparently you have never had a fast ass car to start telling gains from changing your oil to synthetic.

Doubt the tranny fluid and rear end fluid are synthetic.

If it is then the arguments are mute.

I believe all the new gm autos use dexron vi which is synthetic.The rear end fluid is synthetic also. Here is a link to the fluid and the camaro's owners manual.

http://origin-chevrolet-prod-iad.pnangis.gm.com/assets/pdf/owners/manuals/2010/2010_chevrolet_camaro_owners.pdf

http://paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=21329

So once again the car is bone stock!

Anybody saying that the car is not stock is retarded. I agree with the one guy that said he had a different oil filter and the other guy with the air difference in the tires would it be considered stock. And to the guy that said he had a 96 that changed to synthetics and seen impressive gains, well that is lame and apparently you have never had a fast ass car to start telling gains from changing your oil to synthetic.

My last car went 10.4@136 (notice the high 9 sec MPH) spinning hard on 7 cylinders, a stall acting up, and a 150 shot......... second stage had a 300 shot in it....... never got times with it (300) but it took it just fine and never ran it with it hooking.... but I am sure your past rides were a lot lot lot faster the way your talking............

To bad I never took it to the track hooking on 8 cylinders and the 300 out of the hole.

Yeah never had anything fast................ the 96 was fairly quick for what it was also.............

NOT stock & warranty voided! :naughty:

Funny how when someone new comes along and asks about a drop-in K&N the consensus is always it's a complete waste, you'll be lucky to see 1-2hp gain. In cases like this they add 10+. If someone puts on 3 coats of wax and goes to the track and runs great times, is that considered non-stock? Does everyone need to wash vigorously with Dawn first to keep things stock?

What if you were about to race someone:

Guy1: Are you stock?
Guy2: No.
Guy1: What is it? Intake, tune, exhaust? Cam & headers? Spraying?
Guy2: K&N drop-in and RP fluids.

Would you keep a straight face?

My last car went 10.4@136 (notice the high 9 sec MPH) spinning hard on 7 cylinders, a stall acting up, and a 150 shot......... second stage had a 300 shot in it....... never got times with it (300) but it took it just fine and never ran it with it hooking.... but I am sure your past rides were a lot lot lot faster the way your talking............

To bad I never took it to the track hooking on 8 cylinders and the 300 out of the hole.

Yeah never had anything fast................ the 96 was fairly quick for what it was also.............


I am not saying I have had the fastest cars but my last mustang was my dd and has been 9.4 on 17s still with the a/c and all the dd goodies. All I am saying is that I have never heard anybody say they have had impressive gains from changing to synthetics. Sounds like something the guy with the buick at the local track running 10.80 in the 1/8th would say. Fluids and filters are not mods, just maintenance.

"Im not going to lie ive put royal purple in the whole car and a K@N oil and air filter thats it"

"Running a K&N in the factory airbox doesn't count as a mod."


Yeah..........


They should change it to FACTORY BONE STOCK.

SHouldnt matter one bit. a drop in filter is nothing but a more expensive filter. if there was no change to the physical intake than i see NO reason to argue that it isnt stock.

NOT stock & warranty voided! :naughty:

Funny how when someone new comes along and asks about a drop-in K&N the consensus is always it's a complete waste, you'll be lucky to see 1-2hp gain. In cases like this they add 10+. If someone puts on 3 coats of wax and goes to the track and runs great times, is that considered non-stock? Does everyone need to wash vigorously with Dawn first to keep things stock?

What if you were about to race someone:

Guy1: Are you stock?
Guy2: No.
Guy1: What is it? Intake, tune, exhaust? Cam & headers? Spraying?
Guy2: K&N drop-in and RP fluids.

Would you keep a straight face?

Nope... i would die laughing.... thats like when you ask for a mod list and a ricer replies... "yea... i got the jvc head unit with the sony xplod speakers. oh and some vinyl... yea its pretty quick....." Wait huH? lol! i swear i had that happen atleast 2 times.

You cant base mods like oil... CAI's hell even a catback at the track... Too many variables.... Who ran before you... what temp your tires were at... how much you slipped the clutch... i could go on and on... i hate when people do that... the only real way to see an improvement is if you do a couple mods... or single mods like supercharger.... nitrous... i dunno... i've always been annoyed by "you'll drop 2 tenths" how bout "you'll gain x amount of hp"

Not to downplay this but Ive heard of a few LS1's running 12.70's stock lol...One being a 98 Formula 6spd @ englishtown.:corn:

Wow, people should go and slap themselves after trying to argue it's not stock. OP, that's badass

I really dont see the point in all this bs internet racing to see who has the fastest with xx setup. There is always someone faster so why can't people just be happy with running good times for their set up?

I don't think the owner of this car was trying to say he is the fastest stock, but instead just stating his times in a relatively stock car. If you read the OP he never claims to be the fastest anything.

All this whining and crying about what is stock and what isn't really gets old fast, lets not ruin this thread like all the others.

To get back on topic... Dont most 2010's trap 110? 110 is easily 12 second territory with a decent short time, I dont see why everyone is so surprised.

I really dont see the point in all this bs internet racing to see who has the fastest with xx setup. There is always someone faster so why can't people just be happy with running good times for their set up?

I don't think the owner of this car was trying to say he is the fastest stock, but instead just stating his times in a relatively stock car. If you read the OP he never claims to be the fastest anything.

All this whining and crying about what is stock and what isn't really gets old fast, lets not ruin this thread like all the others.

To get back on topic... Dont most 2010's trap 110? 110 is easily 12 second territory with a decent short time, I dont see why everyone is so surprised.
Think your the only one whining...all that to say absolutely nothing lol.

Anyone who says this car isnt stock is a non racing tool

I thought most stock 2010's have been trapping 110 :confused:.

Ditto...

I think its a great run but I dont consider it "stock" my self. To me stock is the way it rolled off the showroom floor. Dont hate,

I am not saying I have had the fastest cars but my last mustang was my dd and has been 9.4 on 17s still with the a/c and all the dd goodies. All I am saying is that I have never heard anybody say they have had impressive gains from changing to synthetics. Sounds like something the guy with the buick at the local track running 10.80 in the 1/8th would say. Fluids and filters are not mods, just maintenance.

Never ever said there was impressive gains....... said the change was impressive......... maybe next time I should go more into detail and say it was impressive because the car reved quite a bit faster and blew the tires off a bit easier........ meaning more power.....


My car that I mentioned above was an 83Z with 26k original miles and was full power down to rear whiper and did not even have ported heads or intake and everything was early 90's technology on a ported 850 carb......... It was built to be super streetable and only had a 4000 stall. But from the way you were talking it was like I was some idiot who has driven Hoda Fits all his life... and you and I know that the A/C really does not weigh much so no point in mentioning it and the power stuff really does not weight much... trust me. I have pulled it all before and the weight was not even worth pulling when I was done.......... so when people say they have A/C and all that crap I just laugh.... the last A/C compressor that weighed anything was like in the 80's. The only thing impressive is the 17's.......


Like I said, it is a mute point since it seems the car came from the factory with synthics (yeah pie in my face all well) but to me and man a mod is changing anything that does not come from the factory (who cares if they just change brand oil)........... give someone an inch and they will take a mile.... soon there will be people that say they are stock even with a factory filter but will have the cats gone, no emmisions, weight pulled that you can or can't see (spare and stuff) and soon stock will be not including weight reduction, cats, emmisons... ect ect..... Ive seen guys around here local go yeah the car is stock.......... then come to find out they gutted it........ one guy had a hatch Honda with a GSR swap that he said was stock and a DD....... it had two seats, and a dash and the shifter......... thats it....... no whipers, door pannels everything................


I can remember not long ago when stock was factory stock.... even way back in the say it was like that.... then you know it was as it was from the dealer....... I think there was a class even called show room stock...... all well, have a good one guys and to the non racing tool comment..... I love internet tuff guys.........


Now if this guy really wanted to shut people up he could put the factory filter back in and the same fluids from the factory just to be safe and run it at the same track with roughly the same temps and DA and then run the same time or better.......

Will he or others do it? I seriously doubt it.

If only GM would offer a high flow filter as a factory option, that would close this stupid debate. As for oil, I wouldnt believe putting different oil in the engine could give me any hp...cant count as mod seriously.

If my memory serves me well, sometimes you see good gain from an air filter, seen it often in the dyno section.

If only GM would offer a high flow filter as a factory option, that would close this stupid debate. As for oil, I wouldnt believe putting different oil in the engine could give me any hp...cant count as mod seriously.

If my memory serves me well, sometimes you see good gain from an air filter, seen it often in the dyno section.

The oil debate was comparing dino oil to synthetic... you do gain HP going to synthetic........ it was then later found that the 2010 car comes with synthetic fron to back and that was the end of it.

I know the show Trucks or whatevver on Spike a few years ago and took a truck with dino oil front to back and swaped in synthetic and they picked up at least 5 hp... I want to say it was 8. Keep in mind if you go from heavier oil to a lighter weight oil this will also affect it.

A K&N Filter is not a gain.

I ran my LS1 at East Side Performance's dyno with a dirty ass K&N filter, made 408whp (Basic heads/cams) and made 411 with NO air filter. I could dig out the dyno sheets somewhere..

Its not a mod, its a filter. In stock class competition in all venues of the SCCA, which allows NO modifications to the engine, allows any filter because it doesn't make a difference.

His car is still 100% stock.

This.

An air filter? Seriously?

Some major asshatery going on here and over there...

If only GM would offer a high flow filter as a factory option, that would close this stupid debate. As for oil, I wouldnt believe putting different oil in the engine could give me any hp...cant count as mod seriously.

If my memory serves me well, sometimes you see good gain from an air filter, seen it often in the dyno section.

Are you fucking kidding me? And air intake system, not a filter, changed maybe 5hp on the dyno, AFTER tuning.

I LOST hp after swapping to the lame K&N filter vs paper. Its just cheaper to maintain considering it will last the life of the car with proper maintenance.

I'm baffled by how many people are seriously split here. That fucking car is stock.

Either way 12.6 with just a KN filter is good.


Where did he run at? Venus?

Royal purple gives it like 30 extra horsepowers. Well, it better for what it sells for!

What a JOKE of an oil.

wow. If any of you didn't noticed the OP said this car wasn't his. So quit congratulating him on the times. Geez. And the car is STOCK. If I bought one and put 100k miles on it, but never did any upgrades other than oil changes and fikter changes, and ran a record time. Would someone really say it isn't stock? Come on!!! Changing fluids and filters is not a mod, it's just part of necessary maintenance.

Those are still impressive times for such a heavy car. Like all LS motors, the LS3 seems to really wake up with breakin miles but it's such a great motor anyway. I would be curious to some dyno numbers on that car.

FWIW -I'm the original owner of my TA and back in '99 I ran 13.2 @ 105 mph stock in my TA with about 15k miles on the clock in cool weather. Only changes were oil (dino) and a Fram air filter. Otherwise it was bone stock down to the plugs, etc.

car is stock...

air filter mod? I should add that to my sig...

I think the oem filter should be put back in. Go back to the track and try to beat the 12.6.

there was a white ss auto running 12.7s @106-108ish at atco this past weekend with temp tags still in the window and looked bone stock to me.

He should have ran NO air filter so these retards would stop this page-after-page debate. The fuckin car is stock. Don't bash him cuz your jealous :)

I guess it would then be ok to run a 160 t stat..... it is nothing big.... just lowers the engine temps making power...

Off topic, but I have to disagree with this statement. Cold engine temps don't make power, it's the cold air charge that you want.

Air intake temps being equal, and with proper octane for the timing curve/compression, you'll make more power with the heads nice and warm. 190-200 would be great. Some engine builders might even argue hotter.

I don't like 160 stats in anything, especially LSx motors. I wouldn't even use one in an SBC. 180 stat works best (with proper fan settings), IMO, and keeps the heads right around 190-200.

Most LS1s run their best times (in N/A form) when hot lapping. My WS6 used to as well.

Stock or not, what it shows me is the 10 SS has the gusto to step to some nice bolt on shit out there in the race world. If its knocking down 12.6s in +1,300 DA lets just say it would hold its own against most bolt on LSx cars that see +1,500ft DA. Where I'm at, thats the lowest it will get before you cant hook to the cold ground anymore. Last time I checked, there is plenty of places across the US where the ASL is at least 1,000ft or more. So if your altitude is say, 1,500 ft ASL it needs to be down to like 58 some odd degrees, with decent barometric pressure and humidity below 60% to see that. Most of the US is going to be higher than that as far as DA, so imagine a normal fall/winter day in the afternoon and sitting at a stoplight when that car rolls up. Do you run faster than 12.6? If your anywhere near or below but still close to that time its going to be a long race into big jail time speeds. Thats a solid time for a filter/oil only car, especially an M6 from a dig.

Just wait for the bolt-on, no TM, stalled L99s to get going. Some headers/mids, torque converter/cooler, a nice HPTuners write and some DRs will start to make some other bolt on cars real sad if they dont hurry up an mod more.

I love how someone always gets offended and pulls out their "it woulda ran 9s" card, then gives said reasons it didnt.

Anyways congrats to whoever the owner is on the STOCK car. I think mid 12s is hauling the mail in a heavy car.

FWIW I think when owners put about 20k on their new SS they will run even faster. you know they are gonna run faster the more they drive them..more seat time, more time for the parts to properly break in.

LOL all this complaining about stock oem factory with that stock chip!

It could have n20, flows, and a 9" and it's still mustang stock.

Amazing times... and great driving!

Stock or not, what it shows me is the 10 SS has the gusto to step to some nice bolt on shit out there in the race world. If its knocking down 12.6s in +1,300 DA lets just say it would hold its own against most bolt on LSx cars that see +1,500ft DA. Where I'm at, thats the lowest it will get before you cant hook to the cold ground anymore. Last time I checked, there is plenty of places across the US where the ASL is at least 1,000ft or more. So if your altitude is say, 1,500 ft ASL it needs to be down to like 58 some odd degrees, with decent barometric pressure and humidity below 60% to see that. Most of the US is going to be higher than that as far as DA, so imagine a normal fall/winter day in the afternoon and sitting at a stoplight when that car rolls up. Do you run faster than 12.6? If your anywhere near or below but still close to that time its going to be a long race into big jail time speeds. Thats a solid time for a filter/oil only car, especially an M6 from a dig.

Just wait for the bolt-on, no TM, stalled L99s to get going. Some headers/mids, torque converter/cooler, a nice HPTuners write and some DRs will start to make some other bolt on cars real sad if they dont hurry up an mod more.


:usa: damn skippy.

I just drove a new SS today and they definitely have a set of hairy ones :)

Car isnt stock. STOCK IS OFF OF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR. I know that a K&N filter is a very small mod, but it still breaths better than a stock paper filter. So therefore its not stock. And as for the RP fluids....RP helps the motor/tranny/rear end better than stock fluid. So hes not stock...sorry...no need to get all butthurt about it.

Car isnt stock. STOCK IS OFF OF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR. I know that a K&N filter is a very small mod, but it still breaths better than a stock paper filter. So therefore its not stock. And as for the RP fluids....RP helps the motor/tranny/rear end better than stock fluid. So hes not stock...sorry...no need to get all butthurt about it.

All the fluids are synthetic from the factory and so is RP. So tell me where the dyno sheets are between the stock syn fluids and RP fluids. I guess no one in the world will have a stock car once they do an oil change and a air filter change.:eyes:

I put STP Fuel Treatment in mine and changed the tire pressure from GM recommended sticker. Is my car mildly modified? GTFO!

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The car must be have been lightened as well

My 03 Z06 is rated at 12.5 sec in the quarter bone stock

and it's a whole lot lighter car at 3118lbs Bone Stock

and running the ponies through an M-12 transmission

Something don't Jive here

Bon

:suspiciou

The car must be have been lightened as well

My 03 Z06 is rated at 12.5 sec in the quarter bone stock

and it's a whole lot lighter car at 3118lbs Bone Stock

and running the ponies through an M-12 transmission

Something don't Jive here

Bon

I think this is terrible logic to apply here....

If everyone were to use that then:
1. Stock 4th gen LS1s running high 12s would be incorrect as they were typically rated for 13.5s by most magazines.
2. Stock C5 Z06s running low 12s (one in GMHTP magazine ran 11.97 bone stock) would also be garbage as you stated they are only good for 12.5s.

One look at the Torque curve of your LS6 vs that of the LS3 and you will also better understand how it can move these heavy cars so well.:D

I think this is terrible logic to apply here....

If everyone were to use that then:
1. Stock 4th gen LS1s running high 12s would be incorrect as they were typically rated for 13.5s by most magazines.
2. Stock C5 Z06s running low 12s (one in GMHTP magazine ran 11.97 bone stock) would also be garbage as you stated they are only good for 12.5s.

One look at the Torque curve of your LS6 vs that of the LS3 and you will also better understand how it can move these heavy cars so well.:D


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On SS models, the new Tremec TR 6060 six-speed manual is paired with the LS3. It is designed to handle the high torque characteristics of the engine, while providing shorter throws, smoother gear synchronization and greater overall shift feel with little or no vibration. Its specs include a solid 290 mm flywheel and single-plate clutch. The final drive ratio for LS3 vehicles is 3.45:1.
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Geez, LS3 + gears = 110 mph trap? :eyes:

Good thing it's at least using 3 forward gears in the 1/4 and not 2, doubt it could get 105 mph using only 2 forward gears. Good thing it didn't get 2:73's like mine.:D All that fancy shifting sounds like work. :secret2:

Good ET OP non the less with a 1.90 60ft? I'd kill for that 60 compared to mine.:ripped:


Maybe I need some 3:45 gears, so I can get into 3rd gear too.:D

Maybe the words you guys are looking for is "off the show room floor, STOCK."



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On SS models, the new Tremec TR 6060 six-speed manual is paired with the LS3. It is designed to handle the high torque characteristics of the engine, while providing shorter throws, smoother gear synchronization and greater overall shift feel with little or no vibration. Its specs include a solid 290 mm flywheel and single-plate clutch. The final drive ratio for LS3 vehicles is 3.45:1.
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Geez, LS3 + gears = 110 mph trap? :eyes:

Good thing it's at least using 3 forward gears in the 1/4 and not 2, doubt it could get 105 mph using only 2 forward gears. Good thing it didn't get 2:73's like mine.:D All that fancy shifting sounds like work. :secret2:

Good ET OP non the less with a 1.90 60ft? I'd kill for that 60 compared to mine.:ripped:


Maybe I need some 3:45 gears, so I can get into 3rd gear too.:D

Maybe the words you guys are looking for is "off the show room floor, STOCK."



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eww! 2.73's in an auto... jesus christ.... my ss came w/ 3.23's and that STILL wasnt enough gear. Man up and do a 6spd swap w/ some 3.73's. :)

Or do 3.73's, shift kit, and a stall and rape ass... but hate yourself if its a DD

Car isnt stock. STOCK IS OFF OF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR. I know that a K&N filter is a very small mod, but it still breaths better than a stock paper filter.

Thats odd, I have seen multiple tests that prove a factory clean air filter out flows a K&N.

Maybe not try to buy into marketing so much and get the facts for yourself?

Maybe not try to buy into marketing so much and get the facts for yourself?

What? Autozone told me I would gain 20 HP those bastards!

What? Autozone told me I would gain 20 HP those bastards!

O shit.. I thought it was just on Tv... I'm on my way to autozone to buy one right now, it must be true!

The amount of Jealous people in the thread is amazing. Sounds like a bunch of 4th gens upset with the 5th gens. What a shame

Hey, I bet if you put crappy oil in it I guess that would be a de-mod? LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHA

heres another one turning 12.6s with no mods, no BS-

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60300

A drop in filter is a mod? The only benefit from a K&N filter is the ability to re use it. 5th gens come with synthetic fluids stock. Weight reduction + full bolt ons in these cars would generate a beast of an automobile.

I read this entire thread.


I want my time back.

I would call that.. stockish.

My stock gto that has a tune and cai just went 12.82 @ 109 :D

heres another one turning 12.6s with no mods, no BS-

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60300

There. Does that quell the oil/filter nazis?


Moral of the story is:

1) Shit goes real fast in -1600 DA.
2) Who keeps anything stock besides the dork at the light who isnt going to race you anyway?
3)The LS3/L99 is a beast. Add a cam and bolt ons and you wont give a shit about no weak ass 12s.


However, to the career bench racers out there that live off of what other people do I say this: Most of the stuff you will compare this time to doesnt race in -1,600DA, just keep that in mind before you climb aboard the pube for a swing.

so lets say i buy a 2011 stang.

remove the spare and jack. 22psi in the tire. high flow k&n, remove the silencer, get a 150lb buddy who can really race to drive it. and it runs 12.3. you guys gonna congratulate me for a "BONE STOCK 12.3"?

1. break it in.
2. put factory fluids in it.
3. take nothing out.
4. adjust tires.
5. run it.


THAT is bone stock. if a man got 12.61 with such a heavy car good for him. there are drag heros out there who get times nobody else can.

not calling BS.

so lets say i buy a 2011 stang you guys gonna congratulate me?
No, I wouldn't

so lets say i buy a 2011 stang.

remove the spare and jack. 22psi in the tire. high flow k&n, remove the silencer, get a 150lb buddy who can really race to drive it. and it runs 12.3. you guys gonna congratulate me for a "BONE STOCK 12.3"?

1. break it in.
2. put factory fluids in it.
3. take nothing out.
4. adjust tires.
5. run it.


THAT is bone stock. if a man got 12.61 with such a heavy car good for him. there are drag heros out there who get times nobody else can.

not calling BS.

The guy didn’t remove weight and drove the car himself. If you tire pressure goes low over time is that considered a mod? All the factory fluid is synthetic so how can using a different brand be a mod? If you had conventional oil in your car from the factory and change to conventional pennzoil would you consider that a mod? NO

The only thing that could really be consider a mod what be the filter. Though there has been claims of losses from switching so you dont even know if it helped.

No, I wouldn't


just kidding...

im not jealous of the 2010 at all. bone stock is what it is. otherwise it isnt.


im saying congrats on the great time.


what was the corrected DA time?

Tire adjustment doesn't count at all in the "is it stock" debate. If the tires are stock, then its stock. Either way, 22psi is gonna create rolling resistance more than anything on a street tire.

im not jealous of the 2010 at all. bone stock is what it is. otherwise it isnt.


im saying congrats on the great time.


what was the corrected DA time?

says the guy who proudly lists a 96 Mustang GT in his sig


GTFO

says the guy who proudly lists a 96 Mustang GT in his sig


GTFO

GTFO?

i dont think so. im on this site because i was considering buying a GTO or CTS-v. neither one meet my requirements.

the GTO is just plain and uninspiring, and the CTS-v has a failty rear end that has failed for thousands of GM owners. never considered an f-body. too low quality and terrible ride quality. no thanks you can have it.


and yes i am proud of my 2973lb, 500rwhp turbo 4v forged stang. its just too much of a race car now. im sure your proud of your 2010 and 98 thingy.

if your ever in the nashville area pm me. we'll do a u-tube run of your 2010 and my sorry 96 gt.

GTFO?

i dont think so. im on this site because i was considering buying a GTO or CTS-v. neither one meet my requirements.

the GTO is just plain and uninspiring, and the CTS-v has a failty rear end that has failed for thousands of GM owners. never considered an f-body. too low quality and terrible ride quality. no thanks you can have it.


and yes i am proud of my 2973lb, 500rwhp turbo 4v forged stang. its just too much of a race car now. im sure your proud of your 2010 and 98 thingy.

if your ever in the nashville area pm me. we'll do a u-tube run of your 2010 and my sorry 96 gt.
You pretty much explained why you should GTFO. Just saying.

You pretty much explained why you should GTFO. Just saying.

+1 your just one of those dudes who isnt respected or welcomed by your own car community so you come over to ours to attept to rile people up :eyes:

get a life :nod:


oh and since your realized the GTO and CTS-v arent up to your obviously high standards you can take your crappy Mustang and GTFO

never considered an f-body. too low quality and terrible ride quality. no thanks you can have it.

Yeah, I was with you up until this point. Come on man. I will be the first to admit that f-body quality is far from great, but compared to a 1996 GT? You can't be serious. And ride quality? For someone who has turned their car into "too much of a race car" why did you start with a 1970's Fairmont based chassis, talk about a wet noodle. I have to agree, GTFO.

not here to rile up anyone.

if your ever in the nashville area pm me. we'll do a u-tube run of your 2010 and my sorry 96 gt.

Nashville area? :devil:

You on Tnfbody? I'm in the area and would be cool to meet up sometime, at the track of course. :nod:

Nashville area? :devil:

You on Tnfbody? I'm in the area and would be cool to meet up sometime, at the track of course. :nod:


absolutely i race at the hill regularly. my car will be ready by spring. the motor it will have will only have 450-480 rwhp. but hey it should be fun. ill pm you.

-bill

absolutely i race at the hill regularly. my car will be ready by spring. the motor it will have will only have 450-480 rwhp. but hey it should be fun. ill pm you.

-bill

Sounds good man, I don't go to the hill very often (all the guys on tnfbody.com do on the regular).. But I'm sure I could make a trip up there on day to meet a fellow member! Just hit me up man!

wow that was alot of reading lol. i have a hard time believing its as stock as that guy says. but i hardly consider oil and a filter a mod and lowering tire pressure. i'm also on this site because i like cars, any and all that are fast.

i give fellows out there crap about their choice of brand. and the ones who take it personal i kinda rub wrong.


my woman has had a vette, z28, rs vert and several caddy's. sis is a camaro girl all the way. like the fast cars and respect them all except ricers. i would not have considered buying an LS car if i didnt respect the motor. i stand by the bone stock thing.

look... DA correction matters, or there wouldnt be one. you peeps along the coast just wait for a high pressure day with better than standard conditions and you WILL run killer times. i have plenty of times. just to have the car disappoint on 104 degree BAD condition days where i just cant get the car to perform without adding a lot of boost.



i know saying to a guy, "man that doesnt count" isnt cool exactly. and if i was there when he did it id tell him nice run. a record is a record. but

stock is stock. nothing else is. doesnt mean it wasnt a killer run. DA correction factor matters. if its for the record books. im leaving it alone. cheers.

It's fukin stock. A filter has never changed my et's or hp on dyno runs. Cai is a mod, filter...no.

GTFO?

i dont think so. im on this site because i was considering buying a GTO or CTS-v. neither one meet my requirements.

the GTO is just plain and uninspiring, and the CTS-v has a failty rear end that has failed for thousands of GM owners. never considered an f-body. too low quality and terrible ride quality. no thanks you can have it.


and yes i am proud of my 2973lb, 500rwhp turbo 4v forged stang. its just too much of a race car now. im sure your proud of your 2010 and 98 thingy.

if your ever in the nashville area pm me. we'll do a u-tube run of your 2010 and my sorry 96 gt.
Lmao at e-thuggin. And you basically stated why you shouldn't be here. Ps. A 96 mustang owner telling us about low quality and bland? Ugh look at your car bud.

I dont think the K&N did anything for the car but they wouldnt put my 12.86 run on the official list because I red lighted and thats what the rules are and thats fine. But if rules are rules then he should not be on the bone stock class. Why make exseptions for one person.

says the guy who proudly lists a 96 Mustang GT in his sig


What does this have to do with anything? :confused:
You pretty much explained why you should GTFO. Just saying.

Because he isn't a GM fanboy? I like GMs and hang here. I don't own one however.

It shouldnt count as stock.

Just think about it this way.

The year is 2011 and the new 400hp Mustang GT is running some good times. Someone has just ran a 12.5 with their 2011 GT beating out the 2011 camaros best time of 12.6. The car was stock...it had a K&N filter and he also changed his fluids to royal purple.

What do you think the camaro fan base would have to say about this?

It wouldnt stand for even one second.

Cmon now guys. It is a solid impressive run. But regardless of the variables it can not be considered stock.


You guys are retarded...he let air out of his tires so it did not have the recommended amount so it should not be considered 'stock'. What about the tread that has worn off the tires...that makes it less than factory weight so it should not be considered 'stock'.:devil:

By your definition it can't be stock unless it has a AC Delco/GM air filter...retarted. Even if he takes the filter out but leaves the intake box and tube it's still stock in my book.

What about the plastic covers on the seats and floor matts...it came with those stock but I'm sure he removed them.:D