Gen 5 Camaro Internal Engine Tech - 500rwhp 2010 SS For Less Than $4,000!!!

Several guys were talking like heads/cam packages cost as much as the maggie supercharger kits so I figured I'd make a post showing how much I have in my 500rwhp heads/cam package.

Here's the mods my car has currently:
Header & Exhaust (TSP Complete System) w/cats
TSP Air Induction
TSP Pulley Kit
TSP Ported LS3 Int & TB
231/236 Camshaft Kit
PRC CNC Port Exchange LS3 Heads

All total your under $4,000 for a 500rwhp package!!

http://www.precisionracecomponents.com/2010hcheaders.jpg
http://www.precisionracecomponents.com/2010exhaust.wmv

Checkout www.texas-speed.com for more info!

Do you see any gains with OR pipes over catted pipes? I live in a no emissions testing zone.

thats $4000 in parts? what would it cost installed?

What is the installed price???:secret2:

might as well just throw a maggie on top of that and go for 700+

might as well just throw a maggie on top of that and go for 700+

You're not gonna get anywhere near 700+whp out of a maggie for this price.

I'd also like to hear the installed price.

I could get 500hp out a 03/04 Termi for less than that. Not trying to be a jerk or anything. Seriously. But I don't see how 4k is that cheap for just a 100hp gain?

I know of 2v Mustangs gaining almost 160+ HP from just 2k worth in (used) parts (SS 2010 still would beat it, I know.. but that's not the point)

I am sure the 2010 V8 can be made to gain 100hp for a lot less money? Maybe I am not getting the point here.

Please be gentle..

Well this is referring to REAR WHEEL HP, and the gains are more than 100hp... The LS3 puts out 426 at the FLYWHEEL, and the L99 is 400 so that equates to roughly 370 and 350 to the wheels, respectively. It sounds like a hell of a deal to me, and as soon as I scrape up the extra cash I will be ordering the whole kit. As long as you have the means to get the car 2 feet off the ground almost anyone can install headers and exhaust, and I plan to do the heads and cam myself too and just take it to the tuner. Should be around $500 for a full dyno tune...

Install all depends on what mods are already installed on the car. The exhaust install is $450, the heads,cam,intake,pulley,induction install is $1400.

:) :) :)

I could get 500hp out a 03/04 Termi for less than that. Not trying to be a jerk or anything. Seriously. But I don't see how 4k is that cheap for just a 100hp gain?

I know of 2v Mustangs gaining almost 160+ HP from just 2k worth in (used) parts (SS 2010 still would beat it, I know.. but that's not the point)

I am sure the 2010 V8 can be made to gain 100hp for a lot less money? Maybe I am not getting the point here.

Please be gentle..

Wow you're dumb, stick to fords son.

Nice gains TSP, the 2010 camaro shit is more expensive in general, 4k isn't bad for 500 @ the wheels.

I could get 500hp out a 03/04 Termi for less than that. Not trying to be a jerk or anything. Seriously. But I don't see how 4k is that cheap for just a 100hp gain?

I know of 2v Mustangs gaining almost 160+ HP from just 2k worth in (used) parts (SS 2010 still would beat it, I know.. but that's not the point)

I am sure the 2010 V8 can be made to gain 100hp for a lot less money? Maybe I am not getting the point here.

Please be gentle..

the op is talking about REAR wheel hp you nutsack or don't you know the difference.

So the op is talking about going from 426 Flywheel hp to over 500 Rear wheel hp. Get it!

Maybe you should stick to the newbie forum.

Install all depends on what mods are already installed on the car. The exhaust install is $450, the heads,cam,intake,pulley,induction install is $1400.

:) :) :)

Man that sounds very reasonable....I wish I had a shop like you guys around here:bang::bang:

If you want bang for the buck, put a nitrous kit on it and hit it with 200. That's gonna get you WAY more then the maggie will or a h/c will for sure.

But you have the bottle filling, maintenance with the nitrous stuff etc. so it's probably a wash. You could however, for about 2 grand add at least 200 rwhp to the car fwiw.

Put a Kenne Bell in it and call it a day.

Put a Kenne Bell in it and call it a day.

Did you miss the $4k part or what? :gtfo:

That's very cool Jason, I'm very interested in doing your h/c/i/exhaust package for when I get a 2010 Camaro SS.

I could get 500hp out a 03/04 Termi for less than that. Not trying to be a jerk or anything. Seriously. But I don't see how 4k is that cheap for just a 100hp gain?

I know of 2v Mustangs gaining almost 160+ HP from just 2k worth in (used) parts (SS 2010 still would beat it, I know.. but that's not the point)

I am sure the 2010 V8 can be made to gain 100hp for a lot less money? Maybe I am not getting the point here.

Please be gentle..

Great For your 2v!! Its gots what 308 RWHP FINALLY!!!!

I could get 500hp out a 03/04 Termi for less than that. Not trying to be a jerk or anything. Seriously. But I don't see how 4k is that cheap for just a 100hp gain?

I know of 2v Mustangs gaining almost 160+ HP from just 2k worth in (used) parts (SS 2010 still would beat it, I know.. but that's not the point)

I am sure the 2010 V8 can be made to gain 100hp for a lot less money? Maybe I am not getting the point here.

Please be gentle..

I bought a $50 88 Rx7 and could build a small block with a nitrous system for $4000 total and beat your cobra. whats your point?

And this is NA. And any retard can get 500hp out of an 03/04 Cobra. Show me where a 2v gained 160hp NA.

And the SS beaing faster than a 2v is the point. Last time I went to a 1/4 track there was a nice 04 Cobra that dyno 460 wheel and couldnt break a 12.3, yet there was a cam only ls1 running 11s. Did the LS1 not beat the Cobra since it took less money and parts?

Did you miss the $4k part or what? :gtfo:

4k for doing what he's talking about vs doing a KB for maybe a few extra K. KB is the answer buddy... i look at cost/benifit ratio. Obviously you dont...:punch:

4k for doing what he's talking about vs doing a KB for maybe a few extra K. KB is the answer buddy... i look at cost/benifit ratio. Obviously you dont...:punch:

Im curious what your cost/benefit criteria are?

$4k for a 500rwhp engine that will not suffer from heat soak and added weight (especially when the weight is up front and high) looks like one HELL of a good cost/benefit performance option to me.

Sure the KB can make more power, but it comes with more weight and cooling/heat soak issues.

What are most considering the "safe limit" of the LS3 these days?

Don't forget that the KB would require the induction and exhaust as well to get the most performance out of it. There's a grand on top of the blower as well if you were still going with our exhaust components. You could spend more than that depending if you went with another brand.

Jon

4k for doing what he's talking about vs doing a KB for maybe a few extra K. KB is the answer buddy... i look at cost/benifit ratio. Obviously you dont...:punch:

In that case you would calculate the hp/$... So if a total H/C/I/pulley/exhaust/labor combo like this cost X, then you'd calc the same deal for a blower setup.

A) Let's say that this combo, at 500rwhp, installed and tuned, out the door was $6000.

B) Let's say that a blower setup, hit 575rwhp, installed and tuned, out the door for $8000.

Would it be silly for me to say that A = $12 per rwhp, vs $14 for B?

I don't think it's always that simple.

In fact the best bang for the buck would be a cam only setup, you'd get to 470-475rwhp most likely.

Blower setups are very cool, but when factor in the cost of the blower, the labor, and some of the work you'd need to do with the fuel system, I think I've seen stuff like this routinely quoted in the $8500. Oops, and you'd probably need to add headers to hit bigger numbers.

Don't forget that the KB would require the induction and exhaust as well to get the most performance out of it. There's a grand on top of the blower as well if you were still going with our exhaust components. You could spend more than that depending if you went with another brand.

Jon

Not to mention that if you really want to get the MOST out of a KB or F/I you'll be installing lower compression forged pistons/forged rods/new rings/rod bolts/fuel system....etc


500RWHP for $4k is NOT expensive. Last time I checked LS1s were putting on massaged 243s, big cams, full boltons, & injectors and hitting 420-440RWHP if they were lucky.

500RWHP for $4K in parts is pretty outstanding actually (given that the car in question starts out at 370rwhp or so).

Wow you're dumb, stick to fords son.


Well you're a poo poo head.

:judge:
the op is talking about REAR wheel hp

No shit?

i think thats reasonable.


lets compare new cars to new cars and NA cars to NA cars as fair comparisons. so, what car for what a camaro costs will make 500rwhp NA?

A used 2008 C6. :)

Not to mention that if you really want to get the MOST out of a KB or F/I you'll be installing lower compression forged pistons/forged rods/new rings/rod bolts/fuel system....etc


500RWHP for $4k is NOT expensive. Last time I checked LS1s were putting on massaged 243s, big cams, full boltons, & injectors and hitting 420-440RWHP if they were lucky.

Very true about the other upgrades that are needed to get the most out of it. But, point is, if you EVER go this route (with the bolt ons/cams/exhaust((which you could prolly keep) would have to be yanked for a blower cam. Just more crap you gotta take out to have something else put back in. In the long run, a blower setup is worth it.

I know i must have upset some of you GM guys (no intention to do it). I use to own a camaro for a long ass time. But, this is probably one of the more promising camaro's to do this with and I think we have seen the birth of a bad ass machine. You guys just need to take it down a notch with the insults. Were all racing fans here no need to throw dirt.

Very true about the other upgrades that are needed to get the most out of it. But, point is, if you EVER go this route (with the bolt ons/cams/exhaust((which you could prolly keep) would have to be yanked for a blower cam. Just more crap you gotta take out to have something else put back in. In the long run, a blower setup is worth it.

It depends on what you are going to do with the car. A blower setup brings a lot inherent problems and detrements for those who take their car to the track. Like I said before, it adds weight up front (and high) and it suffers from heat soak. Similarly, for those who live in very hot climates, a blower setup will experience heat soak on the road and rob power.

There are some good afermarket intercoolers out there, but they are expensive and only improve, but do not cure heat soak issues.

On the other hand, a blower setup cane make insane power, more than the LS3 can handle for that matter. If the "safe limit" of the rods and pistons in the LS3 is around 575rwhp?, then a blower doesn't give you too much more power than the heads/cam when you factor in the extra weight and the heat soak. Now if you are tearing down the engine and changing internals, that is a different story and you are talking big money.

What is the "safe limit" of the LS3 with a blower setup? Is it around 575rwhp or do we not really know yet? Surely some of those Corvette guys have experimented with this by now.

I would half to guess its far more the 575 RWHP. Steel Chicken on the LS1GTO forum is making 655 RWHP through a STOCK LS1 (Which is Touched by GOD) on E85 w/ a Maggie 122H!!!!

I think thats a lot of $$$ for 500rwhp taking into account into account it takes more to get that big ass car rollin....

If you price the same components from other manufacturers you will see that price is actually pretty good. Remember this is a full stainless exhaust system, not a mild steel setup. I don't know when 500 RWHP was so terrible out of a heads/cam bolt on car either. I know the LS1 guys would kill for those kinds of numbers...:confused:

Thats a fairly mild cam for the LS3 as well is it not? I could see picking up another 25 at the wheels with a bigger cam.

That's about as aggressive as you can go on the LS3 motors without having to flycut pistons. Remember with the big intake valve you give up a lot of PTV compared to your standard LS1 cathedral headed motor. However, since that is the limit on the cam, the car drives extremely well.

Jon

If you price the same components from other manufacturers you will see that price is actually pretty good. Remember this is a full stainless exhaust system, not a mild steel setup. I don't know when 500 RWHP was so terrible out of a heads/cam bolt on car either. I know the LS1 guys would kill for those kinds of numbers...:confused:

LOL I would kill for it, my heads/cam bolt on LT1 only makes 360rwhp. :bang: I do all my own labor and have spent well over $4k in parts. I'm down to spend $4k to jump a car up 125rwhp, have it sound nasty, and still be able to say it's N/A with the stock bottom end.

Ha...I remember when 300 flywheel hp was amazing...My 09 vette is about to hit the 500 rwhp with heads cam and boltons @ near 6k...Quite amazing to me....

This sounds like a pretty sweet deal for someone who is into NA setups (like myself). I like my odds with 500 true rwhp NA vs the same with a bolt on supercharger.

i wish you guys could get that kinda power out of a ls6 for that price.

nice work.

That's about as aggressive as you can go on the LS3 motors without having to flycut pistons. Remember with the big intake valve you give up a lot of PTV compared to your standard LS1 cathedral headed motor. However, since that is the limit on the cam, the car drives extremely well.

Jon


Ahhh yea, didnt think about that, good info though!!! I'd imagine its street manners are very good then:D

Constructive criticism, i like it. :rock:

It depends on what you are going to do with the car. A blower setup brings a lot inherent problems and detrements for those who take their car to the track. Like I said before, it adds weight up front (and high) and it suffers from heat soak. Similarly, for those who live in very hot climates, a blower setup will experience heat soak on the road and rob power.

There are some good afermarket intercoolers out there, but they are expensive and only improve, but do not cure heat soak issues.

On the other hand, a blower setup cane make insane power, more than the LS3 can handle for that matter. If the "safe limit" of the rods and pistons in the LS3 is around 575rwhp?, then a blower doesn't give you too much more power than the heads/cam when you factor in the extra weight and the heat soak. Now if you are tearing down the engine and changing internals, that is a different story and you are talking big money.

What is the "safe limit" of the LS3 with a blower setup? Is it around 575rwhp or do we not really know yet? Surely some of those Corvette guys have experimented with this by now.

Ahhh yea, didnt think about that, good info though!!! I'd imagine its street manners are very good then:D

Yeah the car drives very well considering how much power it makes. I was very impressed with it's street manners. You could drive it daily without any issues.

Jon

How much is the ported IM/TB? Couldn't find pricing on your site

any way you look at this 500 whp n/a is great! i can only hope to have this someday, because i plan on staying all motor with this car. Keep up the good work guys.

I could get 500hp out a 03/04 Termi for less than that. Not trying to be a jerk or anything. Seriously. But I don't see how 4k is that cheap for just a 100hp gain?

I know of 2v Mustangs gaining almost 160+ HP from just 2k worth in (used) parts (SS 2010 still would beat it, I know.. but that's not the point)

I am sure the 2010 V8 can be made to gain 100hp for a lot less money? Maybe I am not getting the point here.

Please be gentle..

you're a douche, nobody here was remotely talking about used parts.