Paint & Body Work - anyone had a crack head paintjob

im just wondering if im the only dumbass thats had a crackhead paint job? i had an incodent last winter, and had to have the front bumber repainted a new fender and my driver door sprayed...im a poor kid, and and stoped at his little building and asked him how much he would charge..he said 400 and if i wasnt happy i dont pay...i picked up the car at dawn and it looked good...he said he had some more buffing to do bring it back on monday(it was friday) i got to the shop and got it inside and it looked like shit! orange peel and dry spray from hell. i call him as soon as it hit the lights..no answer saterday drove buy and he wasnt there. did this for a while and then gave up...now the paint is flaking off and im pissed....LESSON IS....YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR....DONT GO THE CHEAP WAY OUT!!!!!sorry just felt like a good rant

i've seen some bad paint jobs. sad thing is the people who payed for them don't really notice or care most of the time so the shops get away with it.

my car will need paint soon. i'll either pay a reputable shop to do it or teach myself. if i do it and it turns out crappy, i know it's my fault, and at least know i didn't pay someone else who didn't know what they were doing.

Yea man I feel your pain.
I bought my car over 2 years ago for $2500 and the passenger fender was broken at the bottom and the rear bumper had paint chipping off of it from the previous owner backing into something.
I bought an Ebay fender and a friend told me about a friend of a friend who painted at a shop on the side, I took the fender and bumper to him and he said $300 for both.
1 day later I went and picked it up and since it was late at night they looked awesome but the next day when I went to put them on the fender looked like shit. Pits in the paint, fish eye and I am not sure if he even used clear. The bumper was better but you could see where he didnt sand very well over the cracks so now the paint is chipping in those spots.
You definitely get what you pay for and lesson learned to never go pick up the parts at night lol.
I didnt take them back to him because supposedly he quit 3 days later from the shop lol. Now I am either going to paint my own shit or take it to a local I met who is very professional and does show quality work.

yeah man i know a guy that got laid off from a local bodyshop and he does it in his garage on the side and he does good word he painted the candy red camaro on here not to long ago and does it for a good price im going to drop it of and have him do everything he sees is wrong

thats gay, sounds like he didn't sand the car that well, i don't know why body/paint shops charge so much!! paint/clear and all the other shit you need is around $350 and thats good GM paint... they charge like $1200 to paint the whole car they pocket $900!!!

My buddy's 94 TA was litterally painted by a crack head (the previous owner)...he's in jail now on coaine/meth charges.

the car looks awful, the clearcoat is peeling, and he put metallic flake IN the clearcoat...it looks like someone spilled metallic fish food all over the car-the flakes are huge-60's bowling ball style.

that and he repainted the rear filler panel bird/trans am logo with yellow touchup paint. Making a red/yellow accented car :gay:

he got the car for $2200 tho...so he puts up with the awful paint. Lmao he gets soo much shit.

eww lol yeah i dont know what i was thinking...i could have done a much better job just hadnt painted anything at the time

I got my last truck painted by some crackhead on the not so good side of town. I was actually surprised and they did a pretty good job. I must one of the lucky ones lol.

I got my last truck painted by some crackhead on the not so good side of town. I was actually surprised and they did a pretty good job. I must one of the lucky ones lol.

No, you got one who just scored. Everyone else made the mistake of not bringing some crack with them. Withdrawing is a bitch.

No, you got one who just scored. Everyone else made the mistake of not bringing some crack with them. Withdrawing is a bitch.

haha.thats where i fucked up.lol if i would have dropped him a rock im sure it would have been done the next day and been great but i just payed with cash lol

thats gay, sounds like he didn't sand the car that well, i don't know why body/paint shops charge so much!! paint/clear and all the other shit you need is around $350 and thats good GM paint... they charge like $1200 to paint the whole car they pocket $900!!!

Uhm....no. The GM red paint code for my 98 Trans Am is $175 a pint for a decent/slightly above avg quality. Decent clear is easily over $150 a pint. Your prices might be correct for 10 years ago, but are not current.

To repaint an entire car? Everything? 4-5k at most shops to do it properly.

You may also want to look into the new EPA regulations. They're shutting down nearly every small body shop here in Western Ky. Intense regulations regarding disposal of materials, all body shops must have separate paint booth, ventilation systems must be installed to remove bondo dust automatically. I know the first time offense fee for non-compliance is $35k. Many must seriously consider closing up shop for good.

where are you at in western ky?

Just repainted my entire car in my garage.

Materials would have been about $350 but I decided to double the clear to get a nice shiny finish (2 gallons ~8 coats). Ended up costing around $500. I think clear coat was about $50 a can (about a half gallon???)

That's sand paper and everything...All PPG materials I believe

Paint is like anything else. Go cheap and you get shit. I've used BASF/Diamont products for over a decade now. PPG, Sikkens, and some others make top notch stuff too but you do get what you pay for. A gallon of clear and activator is over $180. Then there's color and primer. Having said that, those materials wont do you a bit of good if the prep work isnt there. On a used bumper cover, I insist on totally stripping it or I wont paint it. Think about it, its been beat to shit by rocks and pebbles, paint fractured by every instance of bumping into something, and the bottom is usually scrapped all to hell. Fisheyes almost always come from in line contaminants and/or not using a good quality pre cleaner (also not cheep) before spraying. I've also noticed SOME cheaper paints will be more prone to fisheyes. An air filter at the spray gun will do wonders.

^^^also come from recent armorall...i know around here if you know some one in auto body at the trade school they get paint for the cost of the additives and i think clear.. what ever it is they can get it for around 175 for all of it

I lay it soo smooth i dont need to buff...

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eventually i want to have my own garage where ic an do my own work and will want to know what kind of sandpaper/ tapes/ air guns/paint guns to get...figured if i start on something kinda shatty until i get pretty good at it i am only out the cost of the materials..

The amount of prep work that goes into a full paint job is worth what the painter pockets in profit, if it is done correctly. There is usually hours of sanding and primer and drying and sanding....then paint. So yes you get what you pay for :nod:

If you have a nice clean garage or shop you can make a decent paint booth. With a little research you can learn fairly fast how to properly prep a car and what steps to take to paint it. A basic paint job is easy to do and easy to make look good. Just have to take your time. You can save alot of money by doing it your self but its going to take longer and you may have to redo a few things during the learning process. The prep work sucks but once you get to spraying that is my favorite part :) but then again I have always been pretty good at spraying and some people cant spray an even coat to save there life... just have to practice getting the right distance and spray. Fun to do if you have the time.

Yeah there are some pretty shitty shops out there and like some of the other guys said most people don't notice so they get away with it. I do some part time buffing and see some really bad paint work. Some shops just get it slapped on and get it out the shop. Bad part is it makes that much more work to do it right. Sucks about your car though. good luck with it.

thats gay, sounds like he didn't sand the car that well, i don't know why body/paint shops charge so much!! paint/clear and all the other shit you need is around $350 and thats good GM paint... they charge like $1200 to paint the whole car they pocket $900!!!

Wow.

They should pocket much more than a measely $900. And paint for an entire complete job doesn't cost $350, unless its crap.

And autobody shops hardly charge much, it seems like a lot to you, but thier labor rates are usually HALF of a mechanics rate.

What do you think is more difficult, turning a wrench and installing bolt on parts, OR pulling dents, flattening them out to perfection, followed by priming and blocking, matching the color, and applying multiple layers of paint.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

It takes 30+ hours of book time just to spray a car, not to mention the time to strip it, usually 20+ hrs, so if you can get a complete for $1300, by all means....do it!

U don't get perfection for pennys on the dollar, u wouldnt go the cheapest route on building a performance motor to save some money and expect it to run and last like the guys motor he spent 3 times more on. I did an overall on a 92 Camaro last month and had over $1000 in materials alone plus 70 hours in labor at 50 dollars an hour, which is cheaper because I have low overhead cost. You want to pay for a macco paint Jon that's what u get, the money you spend having it redone will cost you more when they have to strip off the shitty paint and start over

Good paint is expensive! Good labor is more expensive! I have painted a few things and learned from an old guy that retired after 20yrs of paint and body had won some impressive awards. The guy is very meticulous, prep work is 90% of the job and it takes time....lots of it. Stripping parts, masking, priming, blocking, cleaning, priming, blocking, cleaning, priming, blocking, cleaning, sealing, color, color, color, clear, clear, clear and that is if you have a very straight car to start with. This doesn't even take into account jam work, trying to keep dust down, mixing the paints, cleaning the guns, and not F--ing it up on the final heavy clear coat. Then if something bad hapens you are sanding/buffing or starting over. The guys that do quality work earn every penny they charge.

ya ive seen some at maco

Wow.

They should pocket much more than a measely $900. And paint for an entire complete job doesn't cost $350, unless its crap.

And autobody shops hardly charge much, it seems like a lot to you, but thier labor rates are usually HALF of a mechanics rate.

What do you think is more difficult, turning a wrench and installing bolt on parts, OR pulling dents, flattening them out to perfection, followed by priming and blocking, matching the color, and applying multiple layers of paint.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

It takes 30+ hours of book time just to spray a car, not to mention the time to strip it, usually 20+ hrs, so if you can get a complete for $1300, by all means....do it!





i agree my dads a painter and does great jobs .. ive got pictures of before and afters , and you do git what u pay for . but most shops do wanna just spot on cars so they dont waist to much material and that pisses my dad off cuz you need to blend and they dont allow em to so sometime the door dont match with the fender if the door only got painted !

an macco sucks lol i went to be the painter helper once there and just the messy shit they do made me leave ... left during lunch and never went back cuz i wasnt gonna learn to do things right after seeing the jobs they do !

You guys say you get what you pay for. I don't always agree. I'm in college now taking a body class and business management classes so i can start my own body shop. I am a fantastic painter, I can lay glass first spray. Its easy and i charge 1200 for a complete job. Around here the standard is 3000$ and i think its ridicules. But even though im a great painter if lost work by trying to help people out. Charging a low price people go "it must be crappy. What do i do charge way to much to get costumers back?

You guys say you get what you pay for. I don't always agree. I'm in college now taking a body class and business management classes so i can start my own body shop. I am a fantastic painter, I can lay glass first spray. Its easy and i charge 1200 for a complete job. Around here the standard is 3000$ and i think its ridicules. But even though im a great painter if lost work by trying to help people out. Charging a low price people go "it must be crappy. What do i do charge way to much to get costumers back?




yea my dad charges around 1500 with body work ,an material is expensive unless u use cheap paint like autozones duplicolor !!!
just buying a good spray run (sata) is like 700 sum bucks !! da (sander)an stud gun or welder (whatevr its called ) blocks for body work , hammer and dollies and then u need sanding paper , bumper plastic to repair bumper cuz bondo dont stick to plastic,bondo,hardner,tape,prep paper,razor blades,fine line tape (blue),Silicone Remover,primer,paint,thinner,hardner,clear coat,compound,polisher,wax, time consuming!!
etc.

You must not do it at a real shop for $1200. Try paying all your bills on materials, electric, rent, any employees you have, etc... And you won't have anything left for yourself

Crack head paint jobs huh? Well my first car was a 1994 Honda Civic Ex Coupe, the previous owner painted it a "custom 3 stage candy orange" (rice, i know...but the car did have a turbo kit..just never got put on lol) Turns out the 3 stage orange paint was more like a home mixed garage special. The paint was poorly done. For starters the car wasent even sanded of its original color, just sprayed over. 2nd the guys didnt even have enough paint to paint the entire car. Some spots were clearly faded and had alot less paint then other areas of the car. And once he finally ran out of paint he used black paint to finish off the side skirts and very bottom portion of the car so it was an orange paint fading down into black paint at the bottom. Oh and the door sills and under the hood was still red, the cars original color.

^ you dont need to sand all the old paint away. Its a good practice to put some sort of urethane over scuffed up old paint but isnt entirely necessary its mainly to give you an better idea of how coverage is. As long as their is no metal spots, base coat should have no issues sticking to a properly prepped surface.

You must not do it at a real shop for $1200. Try paying all your bills on materials, electric, rent, any employees you have, etc... And you won't have anything left for yourself

yea my dad charges that 1500 with bodywork sometimes depending how much is need but for side job cuz he works for a company !! an i agree cuz my dad struggles with bills at time ..specially around oct-march then it picks up !!

Never had a crackhead paint job, but a few years ago, I was getting some suspension work done on my car. They were painting a car right next to mine and didn't bother covering my car. I didn't think much of it. Came home and decided to clay bar my car, and what did I find? Red over spray coming off my car:mad:

ya I alot of guys get screwed on paint jobs. Especially when the panel isn't prepped correctly. A guy I was talking to a while ago was actually telling me how some model f-body's plastic body panels had the release agent integrated into the plastic itself and need to be sealed before be painted again. If you dont' know that, the paint will peel crazy

I had a buddy with a Cobra take is car to get a two tone. He wanted the bottom the stock dark red and the top silver.. Car looked great for all of three weeks till the paint started to just peel off and he found over spray every where.. Same guy that did that did my other buddies hood for his black T/A, the paint looked good for about a month and started doing the same thing..

real recognizes real !! look at the cars painted like after two weeks when paints cured n ask em where they got their paint job!

You must not do it at a real shop for $1200. Try paying all your bills on materials, electric, rent, any employees you have, etc... And you won't have anything left for yourself


best quote in the entire thread.

Unless you can do this job in about 4 hours you're losing money.

Bumper repairs are between $400-$1000 these days. Thats to remove a bumper cover, repair it, repaint it, and install it. Not much too it.

Hey I only paid $400 plus materials for mine does mine qualify as a crackhead paintjob.

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best quote in the entire thread.

Unless you can do this job in about 4 hours you're losing money.

Bumper repairs are between $400-$1000 these days. Thats to remove a bumper cover, repair it, repaint it, and install it. Not much too it.


Thanks, I know what I'm talking about, we are in some tuff times and no one wants to spend good money for paint and body right now. Hopefully it starts to pick up soon.

For the other recent topic the best paint job in the world is worthless without proper prep work, that's what make a good paint job

my 97gt was painted a dark silver metallic before i bought it. there was places where they didnt sand the bondo down smooth..and alot of fisheye on the front bumper.. wasnt no big deal to me cuz i was gonna change the color anyway.

my opinion is to learn how to paint yourself...save alot of money. its not that hard to hold a gun and pull the trigger. best way is to just fill the gun up and practice on a piece of metal that aint aint no good or something.

You must not do it at a real shop for $1200. Try paying all your bills on materials, electric, rent, any employees you have, etc... And you won't have anything left for yourself

I have my own shop I live well, I paint about 17 cars a month by myself No employees. I have 6 different dealers I paint for. My sales rep gives me his cost on everything I buy. Its costs me about 150$ for a gallon of dupont base and a gallon of dupont clear. I can paint a hole car with house of kolor candy for about 400$ including Gallon ckear, 2k primer, 2k sealer and the candy how many of you have actually Painted a car? I have a feeling someone told you it is hard to do. so your believing them. I put about 3000$ into my shop rent elec. gas, and supplies a month using all dupont or ppgs stuff. and bring in about 20k a month. So you tell me If i have anything left for my self lol

I have been in the body shop business for over 28 years & most of you don"t know SHIT!! The last show car I painted was $2,300 just for materials & over 200 hours !! Don't give up your day JOB !!

I have my own shop I live well, I paint about 17 cars a month by myself No employees. I have 6 different dealers I paint for. My sales rep gives me his cost on everything I buy. Its costs me about 150$ for a gallon of dupont base and a gallon of dupont clear. I can paint a hole car with house of kolor candy for about 400$ including Gallon ckear, 2k primer, 2k sealer and the candy how many of you have actually Painted a car? I have a feeling someone told you it is hard to do. so your believing them. I put about 3000$ into my shop rent elec. gas, and supplies a month using all dupont or ppgs stuff. and bring in about 20k a month. So you tell me If i have anything left for my self lol



does that include bodywork ??? buffing an waxing too !?? cuz its all time consuming!!!and for just one person to do ?? arent you busy with other stuff ?

I have my own shop I live well, I paint about 17 cars a month by myself No employees. I have 6 different dealers I paint for. My sales rep gives me his cost on everything I buy. Its costs me about 150$ for a gallon of dupont base and a gallon of dupont clear. I can paint a hole car with house of kolor candy for about 400$ including Gallon ckear, 2k primer, 2k sealer and the candy how many of you have actually Painted a car? I have a feeling someone told you it is hard to do. so your believing them. I put about 3000$ into my shop rent elec. gas, and supplies a month using all dupont or ppgs stuff. and bring in about 20k a month. So you tell me If i have anything left for my self lol


Well you my friend are the exception to the rule. I have my own shop and it's just me, no employees. Sounds like you have a good hook up on paint and clear, but are all these just scuff and shoot jobs, what about sand paper, tape, primer, masking paper and plastic, scuff pads, razor blades, etc... If you do 17 cars a month spend 3000 on bills and clear 20k a month your a millionaire, and that I DONT BELIEVE AT ALL!

its called MACCO lol "AMERICAS BODYSHOP"

its called MACCO lol "AMERICAS BODYSHOP"

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I have my own shop I live well, I paint about 17 cars a month by myself No employees. I have 6 different dealers I paint for. My sales rep gives me his cost on everything I buy. Its costs me about 150$ for a gallon of dupont base and a gallon of dupont clear. I can paint a hole car with house of kolor candy for about 400$ including Gallon ckear, 2k primer, 2k sealer and the candy how many of you have actually Painted a car? I have a feeling someone told you it is hard to do. so your believing them. I put about 3000$ into my shop rent elec. gas, and supplies a month using all dupont or ppgs stuff. and bring in about 20k a month. So you tell me If i have anything left for my self lol


lol im being sarcastic lol :D

I have been in the body shop business for over 28 years & most of you don"t know SHIT!! The last show car I painted was $2,300 just for materials & over 200 hours !! Don't give up your day JOB !!

Yet another good post.

I would say an average cost of materials these days for a full complete is between $1500-$3500. Depending on brand,color, quantity,etc.

Even the cheap stuff isnt cheap anymore.

Well you my friend are the exception to the rule. I have my own shop and it's just me, no employees. Sounds like you have a good hook up on paint and clear, but are all these just scuff and shoot jobs, what about sand paper, tape, primer, masking paper and plastic, scuff pads, razor blades, etc... If you do 17 cars a month spend 3000 on bills and clear 20k a month your a millionaire, and that I DONT BELIEVE AT ALL!


x2, There is no way you are painting 17 completes a month by yourself. Thats 1.7 cars a day.

x2, There is no way you are painting 17 completes a month by yourself. Thats 1.7 cars a day.

That's actually about 1 car every two days. Unless you go by a 10 day in a month type of calendar.

Yet another good post.

I would say an average cost of materials these days for a full complete is between $1500-$3500. Depending on brand,color, quantity,etc.

Even the cheap stuff isnt cheap anymore.



i agree ... brand like mirka is cheap compared to 3m !

Even the cheap stuff isnt cheap anymore.

so true, we use speis hecker, which is very expensive.

That's actually about 1 car every two days. Unless you go by a 10 day in a month type of calendar.

I don't see 1 car evey 2 days working out either, might as well say you do 5 a day

I don't see 1 car evey 2 days working out either, might as well say you do 5 a day

lol hahaha

Had a local crack head paint my truck. He said he has a connection with metalic paint. He told me to front him 20 bucks. So I did. I went to work and he called me 2 hrs later and said he was done :lol: I went on my lunch break and It look like shit. My 8 yr old brother could have done better. He ended going another route. More like 10 bottles of spray can. He used 9 for the truck and 1 for him. And bought a little rock with the change :D hell it was worth the laught. Never saw him again :secret2:

lol he must of drived a 4cylinder lol

On my Malibu, it's been wrecked in the front and the body shop "which was professional" did a horrible paint job. The hood and bumper match, but the driver side fender is a little off. You can only tell when the car is in the sun, but it still pisses me off. :bang: