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Old 01-30-2010, 04:07 PM
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ive been getting a lot worse gas mileage the last few weeks and im wondering if it is because of the spark plugs. i bought the car in september and i dont know how long these plugs have been in there.

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i would replace it. those delco plugs look like the orignals
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Considering that for $17.00 you can get a new set of NGK TR5's or TR55's........change them.

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Considering that for $17.00 you can get a new set of NGK TR5's or TR55's........change them.

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ok yeah cool thats $17 for 8 new ones?

should i go with TR5's or TR55 and whats the difference? why not just use stock plugs whats the benefeit to NGK over ac delco
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oh yeah by the way i have 96xxx miles. seems a little long for same plugs from the factory
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Originally Posted by 2000***camaro***ss
ok yeah cool thats $17 for 8 new ones?

should i go with TR5's or TR55 and whats the difference? why not just use stock plugs whats the benefeit to NGK over ac delco
NGK is just a great plug. Maybe better than AC Delco or just as good at least.

There is absolutely NOTHING at all different between those two plugs (TR55 and TR5). The reason they have different model numbers is because they come from the manufacturer gapped differently. Its just that sometimes you can't find one, so just ask for the other one.

Just make sure you gap them yourself........ .050 is the gap you want. Doesn't matter if you're bone stock or a 454ci 700 RWHP big fella.

Yes, $17.00 for all 8. Advance Auto is where I get mine.

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oh yeah by the way i have 96xxx miles. seems a little long for same plugs from the factory
There is no plug that can last 100,000 miles and perform opitimally, no way. Doesn't matter what the manufacturer says. I personally think auto manufacturers want people to try to go that long so when they feel/hear reduced performance or maybe a "check eng" light comes on because the engine isn't running optimally....most people will go into the dealership and then they can bend them over a desk and charge them for all kinds of ****.

I change my plugs every 20,000 miles. Its too cheap not to.

Thats me....

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NGK actuatly makes the plugs for delco. the last few trks i changed plugs in had NGK stamped on them
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Originally Posted by LS6427
There is no plug that can last 100,000 miles and perform opitimally, no way. Doesn't matter what the manufacturer says. I personally think auto manufacturers want people to try to go that long so when they feel/hear reduced performance or maybe a "check eng" light comes on because the engine isn't running optimally....most people will go into the dealership and then they can bend them over a desk and charge them for all kinds of ****.

I change my plugs every 20,000 miles. Its too cheap not to.

Thats me....

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I recently changed the plugs in my wife's car and they had 100,000 miles on them. Car ran perfectly fine and there was no loss at all in mpg before I changed them.

Perhaps you don't entirely know what you are talking about.
I have had many other cars with plugs that have gone over 50,000 miles with no loss of performance or mpg.
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Originally Posted by proporio
I recently changed the plugs in my wife's car and they had 100,000 miles on them. Car ran perfectly fine and there was no loss at all in mpg before I changed them.

Perhaps you don't entirely know what you are talking about.
I have had many other cars with plugs that have gone over 50,000 miles with no loss of performance or mpg.
Yeah, I guess next you'll tell us about your detailed logs you kept, tracking your gas mileage for those 100,000 miles.

And I'm talking about performance cars. Don't know what kind of car you wife your wife has. But we don;'t really want to hear about Mini vans and Camry's on this site. If she has a performance engine...good luck convincing anyone that 100K plugs perform as good (optimally) as 20,000 mile plugs.

I don't know anyone who would agree that spark plugs that are 50,000-100,000 miles old compared to a set that are only 20,000 miles old....would perform exactly the same. In a PERFORMANCE car. But there's always someones story that their engine does miraculous ****.

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are ac-delco stock? mine came with densol plugs stock. 108k miles and i replaced the #8 plug last year around 76k. i probly should change them all out. i wonder why mine came with densol plugs? i thought i remember some others here also coming stock with densol. which mind you are not cheap...
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Originally Posted by LS6427
Just make sure you gap them yourself........ .050 is the gap you want. Doesn't matter if you're bone stock or a 454ci 700 RWHP big fella.
Gap is not a one size fits all. If you have ignition boxes you can add a little gap to your plug where when you run nitrous or forced induction you will lower the gap on your plug, not to mention having to change heat ranges when using nitrous. I know plenty of fbody guys that run around .040 range and i know some running in the .050 and .060 range.
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I gap mine at .050. Ngk tr55s every 20k also, and I'm just a bolt on car.
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Originally Posted by transamws6_97
Gap is not a one size fits all. If you have ignition boxes you can add a little gap to your plug where when you run nitrous or forced induction you will lower the gap on your plug, not to mention having to change heat ranges when using nitrous. I know plenty of fbody guys that run around .040 range and i know some running in the .050 and .060 range.
Yes it is....for a basically stock engine...which is what he has. There is absolutely NO difference in performance going from .040 - .060 for a N/A engine. I've tried every different setting in my stock LS1 engine and in my built 427ci. No difference. S0o right in the middle is the best choice, unless someone has somne detailed testing that says differently. So .050 is just fine for a stock engine like the original poster has.

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I would agree to use stock gap with stock engine.
I run 0.035 with my FI application, but if you run FI you already know that they require a narrower gap.
AFA plug life, it will vary greatly. If you pull the plug and the electrode looks worn or the gap has increased, it needs to be changed.
I know someone with a stock Focus who pulled his plugs at 50k and the electrodes were gone. Literally. I (jokingly) told him it was b/c his engine spent all its time at 7k rpm, so it had twice the mileage of a normal Focus.
Point is, plug life will vary. It is something you must monitor. BTW, after I changed plugs in my DD fuel mileage increased by about 4 mpg on the highway. No other changes were made, YMMV.
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Originally Posted by LS6427
Yes it is....for a basically stock engine...which is what he has. There is absolutely NO difference in performance going from .040 - .060 for a N/A engine. I've tried every different setting in my stock LS1 engine and in my built 427ci. No difference. S0o right in the middle is the best choice, unless someone has somne detailed testing that says differently. So .050 is just fine for a stock engine like the original poster has.

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GM had so many poor idle warranty claims on the Gen III engines (Corvette in particular), that they released a new spark plug for it. They went to an iridium plug to increase wear resistance, and closed the gap to .040" to promote better idle characteristics.



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