Rebuilding the 10 (updated 5-15-10) Pattern recheck
02-21-2010, 04:45 PM
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Rebuilding the 10 (updated 5-15-10) Pattern recheck I know and don't want to hear it. But previous owner put 3:73's and its had a whine and some grinding ever since, and awhile back I was hot ******* it 
and hitting 2nd stripped 3 teeth off the ring gear. The axles are in fine shape aswell as the torsen posi. So I plan on doing a mild rebuild, new R&P, bearings, weld my tubes (I weld and got it right here) and if I get enough suggestions a girdle cover. However I noticed on JAWSGEARS.com for the motive gears performance R&P it has them for 179.99 then a "Thick Gear fits 2 Series Carrier Case" for $198.... Is that what I need?
Thanks guys...
and hitting 2nd stripped 3 teeth off the ring gear. The axles are in fine shape aswell as the torsen posi. So I plan on doing a mild rebuild, new R&P, bearings, weld my tubes (I weld and got it right here) and if I get enough suggestions a girdle cover. However I noticed on JAWSGEARS.com for the motive gears performance R&P it has them for 179.99 then a "Thick Gear fits 2 Series Carrier Case" for $198.... Is that what I need?Thanks guys...
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02-21-2010, 07:08 PM
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It depends on what carrier you have. Auto cars had either the 2.73 or 3.23 gear so you either need to figure out what came in the car, or take some measurements to see how far away the ring gear flange is from the pinion. The bigger space would mean it originally had 2.73s, sorry I don't know the specs, hopefully someone else can help explain this. If you have a carrier for 2.73s you would need the thicker gears.
02-22-2010, 04:29 PM
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I've read alot of negative things towards Motive, and I've heard richmonds are noisey but strong... Although I wonder if its just people not setting them up properly... Anyhow I am leaning towards SLP (AAM)... Any suggestions where to pick them up at? Summits on backorder til 3/11. I believe my car had 2:73's according to the RPO's.
02-22-2010, 04:51 PM
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Wanted to let you know that if you decide to rebuild and will be looking for a aluminum rear cover drop me a line. I have a jegs one in great shape that I am looking at getting rid of. 75.00 thats with shipping.. Good luck with your project!
02-22-2010, 08:00 PM
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Very good info thanks man!
Send me pics n stuff of the cover... Does it have the bearing cap presses?
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Send me pics n stuff of the cover... Does it have the bearing cap presses?
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I like AAM gears paid about 200.00 for 3.73.
Jason is great to deal with.
Jason Bailey, owner of Texas Drivetrain Performance. Located in Haslet/Keller area 817.300.6840
Jason is great to deal with.
Jason Bailey, owner of Texas Drivetrain Performance. Located in Haslet/Keller area 817.300.6840
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If its questionable, then replace it. I recently swapped a very low mile torsen out that didnt live but about 2 weeks behind a very aggressive clutch and light street driving.
02-24-2010, 09:02 AM
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It's difficult for any brand carrier to hold up in our little 7.5/7.625 10 bolts.You have an A4 so that'll help longevity.
Of the 3 'conventional' carriers that we use,Torsen,Auburn,and some Eatons,
-the Torsens have been around for about 10 years now and more frequently now there are threads about breakage than there used to be.There is a 'heavy duty' torsen listed on the Torsen site,but I haven't seen any results/threads about that one.
-the Auburns go back to the 60s'(maybe earlier) and spider breakage occasionally occurs but typically the cone clutches wear out,the spiral cut grooves on the cone diminish down to non-existent.As the cones wear they separate further from each other which reduces spring pressure and the 'positraction effect' get weaker.
-the Eatons,also an 'old' one,seem to hold up better,in the breakage department,because they're an aftermarket unit and not restricted to the OEM cost saving factor. But they also wear out in the clutches/plates.
Of the 3 'conventional' carriers that we use,Torsen,Auburn,and some Eatons,
-the Torsens have been around for about 10 years now and more frequently now there are threads about breakage than there used to be.There is a 'heavy duty' torsen listed on the Torsen site,but I haven't seen any results/threads about that one.
-the Auburns go back to the 60s'(maybe earlier) and spider breakage occasionally occurs but typically the cone clutches wear out,the spiral cut grooves on the cone diminish down to non-existent.As the cones wear they separate further from each other which reduces spring pressure and the 'positraction effect' get weaker.
-the Eatons,also an 'old' one,seem to hold up better,in the breakage department,because they're an aftermarket unit and not restricted to the OEM cost saving factor. But they also wear out in the clutches/plates.
02-24-2010, 09:32 AM
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It's difficult for any brand carrier to hold up in our little 7.5/7.625 10 bolts.You have an A4 so that'll help longevity.
Of the 3 'conventional' carriers that we use,Torsen,Auburn,and some Eatons,
-the Torsens have been around for about 10 years now and more frequently now there are threads about breakage than there used to be.There is a 'heavy duty' torsen listed on the Torsen site,but I haven't seen any results/threads about that one.
-the Auburns go back to the 60s'(maybe earlier) and spider breakage occasionally occurs but typically the cone clutches wear out,the spiral cut grooves on the cone diminish down to non-existent.As the cones wear they separate further from each other which reduces spring pressure and the 'positraction effect' get weaker.
-the Eatons,also an 'old' one,seem to hold up better,in the breakage department,because they're an aftermarket unit and not restricted to the OEM cost saving factor. But they also wear out in the clutches/plates.
Of the 3 'conventional' carriers that we use,Torsen,Auburn,and some Eatons,
-the Torsens have been around for about 10 years now and more frequently now there are threads about breakage than there used to be.There is a 'heavy duty' torsen listed on the Torsen site,but I haven't seen any results/threads about that one.
-the Auburns go back to the 60s'(maybe earlier) and spider breakage occasionally occurs but typically the cone clutches wear out,the spiral cut grooves on the cone diminish down to non-existent.As the cones wear they separate further from each other which reduces spring pressure and the 'positraction effect' get weaker.
-the Eatons,also an 'old' one,seem to hold up better,in the breakage department,because they're an aftermarket unit and not restricted to the OEM cost saving factor. But they also wear out in the clutches/plates.
so theoretically then the Eaton would be the best choice since it is rebuildable....
02-24-2010, 10:04 AM
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Of the 3 that I discussed,in the past 9 years on various car forums discussing the cars that we drive,Eaton is the one that appears the least with problems. BUT,you could put an Eaton in it and break it immediately,you never know !
AND there are also many other different varieties on the market NOW,you can't exclude them.
We have too much power/torque for the little 10 bolts.
AND there are also many other different varieties on the market NOW,you can't exclude them.
We have too much power/torque for the little 10 bolts.
02-24-2010, 11:59 AM
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I've read alot of negative things towards Motive, and I've heard richmonds are noisey but strong... Although I wonder if its just people not setting them up properly... Anyhow I am leaning towards SLP (AAM)... Any suggestions where to pick them up at? Summits on backorder til 3/11. I believe my car had 2:73's according to the RPO's.
I have always used Richmonds (3.23 to 4.56). Never had a whiny rearend. Usually the exgirlfriend/wife whines that I don't spend enough time with them. I always measure the pinion depth and backlash before I check the wear pattern and it is always spot on. That's why manufactures give you the spec's, so you dont' have to tear it apart and put back together more than once.