Automotive News, Media & Press - Uh....2011 Mustang V6 goes 13.7@102....

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_1003_2011_ford_mustang_v_6_test/index.html#ixzz0jXbjcYA0

Damn. That's quick. Looks like the LS1 may have fallen from grace as head-honcho. Kinda bad when a V6 Mustang can keep up with a bone stock LS1 car. Granted, there's a 10+ year technology difference, but DAMN. Apparently, Ford's doing something right.

That's freakin crazy. I was expecting bottom 14's with a pretty good driver......at best. :eek2: 13 second V6 Mustangs. Guess the world really might end in 2012.:D

Wow i'll have to give it up to them for REALLY REALLY stepping it up this year. Now lets see if GM answers back with a TT-V6 and less weight for the LT and SS.

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Amazing numbers for the V6.. I had no idea they were that fast!! Good review on both the V6 and GT overall too.

That's wild. I would never have thought a few years ago that Ford would be doing what they are with the Mustang.

13.7 @ 102 isn't all that fast these days, but out of a V6 Mustang, that's pretty damn quick. There are going to be a lot of 16 year old girls getting these, and not knowing what to do with all that power.

I sure hope Ford started a war with this. Competition is what makes cars quicker.

Wow, who would have known that a bad economy and high gas prices has led to a horsepower race in the V6 pony car market!

I can't wait to see what Chevy brings to the fight. :D

There are going to be a lot of 16 year old girls getting these, and not knowing what to do with all that power.

:werd:

There's gonna be a lot of wrecked V6 Mustangs in the future...

Chevy is already talking about a TT V6 for the Camaro. :D

Wow that's fast. :eek: I expected a mid to low 14 from the car but a magazine time of 13s?! That's potentially a 13.5 in private hands in good air. :D
It's a good time to be a car guy in America. :usa: :cool:




Looks like the LS1 may have fallen from grace as head-honcho. Kinda bad when a V6 Mustang can keep up with a bone stock LS1 car.Well I might not go that far...depending on the air/track conditions a bone stock LS1 F-body will see the high 12s with plenty of them having gone 13.0s-13.3s at over 108+mph (Corvette LS1s have gone 12.6s bone stock). Of course under even more ideal conditions this V6 Mustang might beat that 13.7 as well, but on the same track on the same day with the same driver an LS1 F-body will still have a few tenths over it almost every time. :nod:

LT1 guys are gonna start gettin' all butt-hurt :lol:

LT1 guys are gonna start gettin' all butt-hurt :lol:

Thats why i rolled out of the opti crowd lol.

Chevy is already talking about a TT V6 for the Camaro. :D

They should not need a TT V6 to be faster then the Mustang V6, The Camaro is just to damn heavy and Ford just proves that a lighter car with the same HP performs THAT much better.

Camaro V6 has 1more hp then the Mustang V6 and yet the stang goes 13.7 while camaro is a 14.5.


Major props to Ford, Now lets wait and see what GM pulls out for the 2011 Camaro...to be fair the 2010 Camaro spanks 2010 Mustang..lol

LT1 guys are gonna start gettin' all butt-hurt :lol:
and almost all the GT owners for the last 15 years too lol

and almost all the GT owners for the last 15 years too lol

Oh definitely. But we will see a lot less of that on this site. That, and the fact that LT1 F-bodies have either been right around even with, or just behind Mustang GTs since '99. They've kinda gotten on their own little high-horse. This should humble quite a few people.

Oh definitely. But we will see a lot less of that on this site. That, and the fact that LT1 F-bodies have either been right around even with, or just behind Mustang GTs since '99. They've kinda gotten on their own little high-horse. This should humble quite a few people.
well thankfully i have a LS1 so feel free to rag on LT1's all you want lol every modded LT1 (headers/intake/stall/exhaust) i've run i put a hurting on even when all i had was just LT's and true duals. course in the fall i'd like to see if most cars can keep up lol

and almost all the GT owners for the last 15 years too lol

:werd:

Ford sure took their sweet time in getting around to making a fast Mustang again.

That being said, I'm loving the numbers this new Mustang is producing, from both the base V6 and the GT's 5.0. :cheers:

That is damn impressive for a V6, however...MT uses corrected numbers so 13.7 will not be an average time like the LS1 cars

Still a solid 13s car though. And I doubt the trapspeeds are corrected ;)

Thats why i rolled out of the opti crowd lol.

94 Z28 totaled

Literally speaking I suppose.


:jest:

Still a solid 13s car though. And I doubt the trapspeeds are corrected ;)

I say a potential 13 car... I wouldn't say solid 13 car yet.. Could be wrong though.

If Motor Trend can run a 13.7 @ 102mph in a 100% production car, I'd be ashamed if I owned the car and couldn't match it.

If Motor Trend can run a 13.7 @ 102mph in a 100% production car, I'd be ashamed if I owned the car and couldn't match it.

What does it weight? Gearing?

Literally speaking I suppose.


:jest:

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If Motor Trend can run a 13.7 @ 102mph in a 100% production car, I'd be ashamed if I owned the car and couldn't match it.

I totally agree, and I've given props. I was just pointing out that MT ran slower than 13.7 but printed/posted that number. I'll be at the track waiting...

What does it weight? Gearing?

3464lbs, with 3.31s.

3464lbs, with 3.31s.

I will say solid 13 car with a good driver and good DA... Either one of those not there it will be 14s all day long.

Literally speaking I suppose.


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Yeah lol. It was the best wreck of my life.

Wow that's fast. :eek: I expected a mid to low 14 from the car but a magazine time of 13s?! That's potentially a 13.5 in private hands in good air. :D
It's a good time to be a car guy in America. :usa: :cool:




Well I might not go that far...depending on the air/track conditions a bone stock LS1 F-body will see the high 12s with plenty of them having gone 13.0s-13.3s at over 108+mph (Corvette LS1s have gone 12.6s bone stock). Of course under even more ideal conditions this V6 Mustang might beat that 13.7 as well, but on the same track on the same day with the same driver an LS1 F-body will still have a few tenths over it almost every time. :nod:

I don't know man. How many people do you personally know that can drive a stock LS1 that fast? I know I probably couldn't, not without practice. It's a bit scary how quickly technology progresses. 10 years ago, the LS1 was top dog. 10 years before that we had the "wonderful" 350TPI cars and the 5.0L Now, modern V6 cars are getting damn close to the LS1's times. I'm a huge fan of the styling of 4th gen Trans Ams, but damn, it's gonna suck when I buy one in a few years and I'm getting outrun by factory V6 cars.

Granted, the LS1 will always sound better and have the insane modability factor. Oh well, at least it'll be cheaper to insure. :angel:

Ford has definitely struck a good note with these cars. I have a feeling this new 5.0L engine will be Ford's modern day equivalent of Chevy's LS1 back in 97/98.

I don't know man. How many people do you personally know that can drive a stock LS1 that fast? I know I probably couldn't, not without practice. It's a bit scary how quickly technology progresses. 10 years ago, the LS1 was top dog. 10 years before that we had the "wonderful" 350TPI cars and the 5.0L Now, modern V6 cars are getting damn close to the LS1's times. I'm a huge fan of the styling of 4th gen Trans Ams, but damn, it's gonna suck when I buy one in a few years and I'm getting outrun by factory V6 cars.True, 12.9s and 13.0s are not the norm (or the average) for stock LS1 F-bodies but then again we don't know if that Mustang V6's 13.7 is the average/norm for those cars either. A lot depends on the temps, barometer and traction of the surface that they're testing it on.
There were magazines that only got 13.5s - 13.8s out of stock LS1s as well so maybe this thing is as close as it appears.
Gotta love modern technology. :)

You guys got to think... These newer cars are tuned much better and come with much better parts from the factory.
This is why the ls1 widens the gap between it and "XXXX" car when the modding begins. Ls1 picks up 30Rwhp with headers, other platforms pick up 15Rwhp.

There is NO replacement for displacement. And technology/better parts from the factory aren't going to help. Will it be faster stock for stock? Sure.. But who keeps their car stock?

good-bye ls1.

everyone with the ls1 better upgrade to the ls2 and 3 before the 6 cyl mustang can out run'em :lol:

good-bye ls1.

everyone with the ls1 better upgrade to the ls2 and 3 before the 6 cyl mustang can out run'em :lol:

:nod: I was just thinking that too. Looks like i'll have to start prepping my 6.0 for my SS not my future project car. Hell i might even pick up a LS3 in the next couple years when the prices drop a little, just to keep up to these factory hot-rods :lol: Can't have a bone stock Mustang or Camaro out running my modded 4th gen. now can I?

Ls1 picks up 30Rwhp with headers, other platforms pick up 15Rwhp.


The 3.6 in the 2010 Camaro picked up 32rwhp from just headers as well...:angel:


Today's cars tend to love mods compared to the cars of yesterday. The new Mustang/Camaro V6 just make my 3.8 that much more of a dog..lol

I'n sure it was a ringer

~3450 weight. same 6 speed as the 5.0 and 3.31 rear gears.

good-bye ls1.

everyone with the ls1 better upgrade to the ls2 and 3 before the 6 cyl mustang can out run'em :lol:

x2 thats what I did ls2 with a few goodies, because anyone can win when your racing modded cars no big deal but I be a little hurt if I lost to a stock 2011 mustang gt or v6 bet thats gona sting alttle to any stock 4th gens out there.

According to the MotorTrend dyno the "11 V6 Mustang put 308rwhp down on the dyno so that means Ford underrated it. Thats a good 50rwhp above the '10 Camaro V6 not to mention the mustang is that much ligher so I can see how they got a 13.7 out of it vs a 14.4 in the V6 Camaro


GM better put the Camaro on a massive diet and up the HP or we will have Mustangs slapping them all over the place.....as far as V6 goes and the SS model needs a diet as well.

When is GM going to release 2011 Specs?

That'd be 308hp at the crank, not at the wheels. It'd run quite a bit faster with 308rwhp.

Shit. Looks like I got an LT1 at the wrong time. :D

unless there is a 2.73 LS-1 car out there, there is no way a V6 stang wins. even fully modded the V6 should still lose to a stock LS-1 with any gearing at all. LT-1's are in trouble with fully modded v6 cars these days. just look at a full bolt on 370Z.

3.73's should get another .2-.3 off the V6 times. 13.5-13.4 @ 102-103.

longtubes, x-pipe, CAI with good maf and tubing sizes. who knows how much they will make. how rediculous would it be for a bolt-on v6 to hit the 12.90's?

realistically 300rwhp would be a killer number for a v6. just barely 12.90's, and beat a stock 2011 premium GT with 3.31 stock gears and 235 tires.
they will kill a lot of 1972-2010 mustangs.

That'd be 308hp at the crank, not at the wheels. It'd run quite a bit faster with 308rwhp.

You are correct, The video I watched from MotorTrend after the dyno the say and show that it has 308hp but fail to say if its crank or to the wheels...but probably is just crank.

The 3.6 in the 2010 Camaro picked up 32rwhp from just headers as well...:angel:

Today's cars tend to love mods compared to the cars of yesterday. The new Mustang/Camaro V6 just make my 3.8 that much more of a dog..lol

So you are telling me something with half the displacement picks up the same RWHP with headers on average?

Could a handful on a very happy dyno (which is what they always use on shit like that anyway), sure. But that is surely not the norm.

I don't know of any newer platform that picks as much Rwhp/tq up as the LsX platform does mod for mod. That is why it is still "top dog".

I don't know of any newer platform that picks as much Rwhp/tq up as the LsX platform does mod for mod. That is why it is still "top dog".

uhhh... most factory boosted cars?

the gt500 probably picks up more from an axle-back than an ls1 gets from a header-back(midpipe, mufflers)

Fret not brethren. This just means there will be a lot of butthurt V6 owners who thought their shit was fast until they tried runnin' one of those "old" F-bodies. I ran 12.9s with a $379.99 set of Pacesetters, 245mm Kumhos and 2.73s.


Nothing to worry about... Remember that we drive LSXs, not 2v GTs.

You might be a full exhaust/tune/gears away from getting embarassed by a new V6 though ;)

But realistically, how many V6 Stang owners are going to do exhaust/gears/tune...especially when there is a new V8 available. Most teenage girls are not interested in this kind of thing, nor will they even pick the manual trans. Regardless what it's capable of, a modded V6 Stang will be the exception, not the norm.

I've been a member of a V6 Mustang forum since 2002... first people I ever went to the 1/4 mile dragstrip with, and MANY of them have 11/12s cars. People will jump all over this, trust me.

I've been a member of a V6 Mustang forum since 2002... first people I ever went to the 1/4 mile dragstrip with, and MANY of them have 11/12s cars. People will jump all over this, trust me.


A little Braveheart-esque sarcasm in my previous post, but really I don't feel we have anything to worry about. Maybe a box stock LS1 and a bolt-on V6, but not one that's had a little done to it. We are the new Foxbody and that, my friend, is not a bad thing. :engarde:

I also frequent 3.8 and I've got to say, a good many of those guys have some nasty six bangers. Many more have something respectable. I don't think the majority of people on this forum realize the cult like following the V6 Mustang has, nor the potential of one when done right.

Is your username on 3.8 the same as on here?

But realistically, how many V6 Stang owners are going to do exhaust/gears/tune...especially when there is a new V8 available. Most teenage girls are not interested in this kind of thing, nor will they even pick the manual trans. Regardless what it's capable of, a modded V6 Stang will be the exception, not the norm.

You would be surprised....the aftermarket for the V6 Mustangs has always been quite strong more so compared to V6 F-Bodys. Now with the V6 cars being this powerful you can expect it to grow.

Is your username on 3.8 the same as on here?

Yessir.

Shyte, time to save more money for more cubes.

Yessir.

Cool, me= GSRGuy94 :secret2:

So you are telling me something with half the displacement picks up the same RWHP with headers on average?

Could a handful on a very happy dyno (which is what they always use on shit like that anyway), sure. But that is surely not the norm.

I don't know of any newer platform that picks as much Rwhp/tq up as the LsX platform does mod for mod. That is why it is still "top dog".

Boosted cars do all day long. 6 year old E55's pick up 70RWHP from headers. Most of the enhancements from newer factory cars are from better head and cam designs, they'll all pick up equally well from exhaust mainfold upgrades like any LS1 would.

damn :/

The V6 mustang looks o.k....I would'nt buy one though.
Its not that i dont like mustangs, I owned a 03 Cobra for about 5 months until i could'nt afford the payments and insurance. That gunmetal color is nice..
But I'm not to worried about getting beat by a V6 anyways..All you need to do is buy 1 choice mod every 2 years and you should be ahead of the game..

According Car and Driver, a 1980 Trans Am, with the top of the line motor offered, the 301 Turbo, tested new October 1979 covered the 1/4 at a blistering 16.7@86MPH, 60MPH was reached in just a little over 8 seconds. Now compare that to a car that came 22 years later, the then new 2002 V6 is faster. The '02 Firebird V6 made more power, faster, handled better, better fuel economy and the list goes on. Whats the point lost to most dumb asses on car forums, this isn't new, cars get better with time.

So you are telling me something with half the displacement picks up the same RWHP with headers on average?

Could a handful on a very happy dyno (which is what they always use on shit like that anyway), sure. But that is surely not the norm.

I don't know of any newer platform that picks as much Rwhp/tq up as the LsX platform does mod for mod. That is why it is still "top dog".

Like 88blackgt and Trust said, factory FI cars (diesels especially) pick up huge numbers from very simple bolt-ons. Some that come to mind, BMW's 335i, '03-'04 Cobra, GT500, AMG, etc. Shit, even VW's TDI Jetta's pick up 100+lb-ft of torque from just a tune.

im sorry but msot bone stock fbodies arent all low 13 sec cars. ive seen amny only pull high 13's. not everyone is a great driver. is ee the v6 stang putting a hurtin on a lot of ls1 cars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXusbh5hb8U


in car of the 2010SS vs 2011

im sorry but msot bone stock fbodies arent all low 13 sec cars. ive seen amny only pull high 13's. not everyone is a great driver. is ee the v6 stang putting a hurtin on a lot of ls1 cars

I see the potential, but I don't see the new V6 mustang hurting A LOT of LS1 cars.

Sure there are plenty of Fbodies with shitty drivers, but you'll have the same average number of shitty drivers in the Mustang as well.

I'm impressed by the 2011 Mustangs. Give the Mustang 2 car lengths and it's a drivers race IMO.

I'm impressed by the 2011 Mustangs. Give the Mustang 2 car lengths and it's a drivers race IMO.

2 car lengths? They ran almost exactly the same time with the same trap speed according to MT you stupid twat.

Unless you are talking 2011 V6 vs LS1 Fbody.

im sorry but msot bone stock fbodies arent all low 13 sec cars. ive seen amny only pull high 13's. not everyone is a great driver. is ee the v6 stang putting a hurtin on a lot of ls1 cars


Just because they ran that time doesn't mean your average or newbie driver can do it...not to mention an auto is probably much slower. At most I can see a manual v6 stang giving a stock a4 ls1 a good run but that's about it.


In the end, its a driver race...just like it is with any car.

2 car lengths? They ran almost exactly the same time with the same trap speed according to MT you stupid twat.

Unless you are talking 2011 V6 vs LS1 Fbody.

why don't we just rewrite the laws of language because i'm getting tired of the lack of reading comprehension we get in this forum...then we could all just hurl ignorant obscenities at each other for lack of context....obviously this reading/thinking/rebuttal shit be too hard.

Of course I was talking about LS1 Fbodies, I did quote it in my original response.

doesnt it weigh a good bit less than the camaro too?

At most I can see a manual v6 stang giving a stock a4 ls1 a good run but that's about it.Again, that might be true with a stock A4 LS1 with 2.73 gears or maybe even any fully loaded convertible (heavier) model perhaps...but a stock A4 LS1 coupe with 3.23s is still a 12.9 to 13.3 second car in all but the worst/warmest air conditions.
Ask me how I know. ;)

doesnt it weigh a good bit less than the camaro too?Yes, a couple hundred pounds at least.
Though I'd still have to get the new 5.0L V8, I'm impressed with this thing. :nod:

Again, that might be true with a stock A4 LS1 with 2.73 gears or maybe even any fully loaded convertible (heavier) model perhaps...but a stock A4 LS1 coupe with 3.23s is still a 12.9 to 13.3 second car in all but the worst/warmest air conditions.
Ask me how I know. ;)

Well, I wouldn't know all this....my car is a 15second runner so I am behind on most things. :jest:

uhhh... most factory boosted cars?

the gt500 probably picks up more from an axle-back than an ls1 gets from a header-back(midpipe, mufflers)

Boosted cars do all day long. 6 year old E55's pick up 70RWHP from headers. Most of the enhancements from newer factory cars are from better head and cam designs, they'll all pick up equally well from exhaust mainfold upgrades like any LS1 would.

Like 88blackgt and Trust said, factory FI cars (diesels especially) pick up huge numbers from very simple bolt-ons. Some that come to mind, BMW's 335i, '03-'04 Cobra, GT500, AMG, etc. Shit, even VW's TDI Jetta's pick up 100+lb-ft of torque from just a tune.

Which one of those are platforms though? Unless we consider platforms different. A platform to me is an entire line.. Meaning ls1/2/3/6/7/etc... 03-04 Cobras are not in the mustang GT platform, nothing with them is the same.
Even at that, most boosted cars from the factory are usually a good run (at least the ls1 is holding its own) stock for stock. And even staying NA it can give most of the boosted cars (even V8s with almost as much displacement) a good run (if not in most cases beat) for their money.

Which one of those are platforms though? Unless we consider platforms different. A platform to me is an entire line.. Meaning ls1/2/3/6/7/etc... 03-04 Cobras are not in the mustang GT platform, nothing with them is the same.
Even at that, most boosted cars from the factory are usually a good run (at least the ls1 is holding its own) stock for stock. And even staying NA it can give most of the boosted cars (even V8s with almost as much displacement) a good run (if not in most cases beat) for their money.

lol let me know when you're done w/ the semantics lesson

there are a lot of cars out there that do better than LSXs mod for mod. period.

Ford sure took their sweet time in getting around to making a fast Mustang again.

What do you mean? We've been kicking ass on the streets for 7 years now. :D

13.70's out of a stock V6 is incredible. My A4 LS1 only went 13.67 @ 105mph in bone stock trim. Ouch. Nice job Ford.

03-04 Cobras are not in the mustang GT platform, nothing with them is the same.

You're going to have to quantify that statement considering both Cobras and GT's are SN95 vehicles. SN95 is the 'program' or 'platform' designation for those cars. They absolutely are the same platform.

What do you mean? We've been kicking ass on the streets for 7 years now. :D

13.70's out of a stock V6 is incredible. My A4 LS1 only went 13.67 @ 105mph in bone stock trim. Ouch. Nice job Ford.

yeah but what did a bone stock mustang gt run in stock trim with a auto 14.00 that really hurts

You're going to have to quantify that statement considering both Cobras and GT's are SN95 vehicles. SN95 is the 'program' or 'platform' designation for those cars. They absolutely are the same platform.

Ahhh.. I am talking the engine platforms.. As far as I know (which is honestly little) the GT and Cobra have very few similarities between the two. forged/blower/6 speed/irs/etc etc etc... I don't even really consider a Cobra a mustang, if that makes sense. :lol:

You would be surprised....the aftermarket for the V6 Mustangs has always been quite strong more so compared to V6 F-Bodys. Now with the V6 cars being this powerful you can expect it to grow.

I've never paid much attention to the V6 cars. I knew there was some aftermarket for them, but didn't realize it had much of a following. The new ones do seem to have much more potential than in past years. I still don't think it will be common to run across a decently modded one...though they may be out there.

I think you all should leave the sweating over this new sixxer Stang to the 5th gen V6 Camaro owners. Those of us with V8's are quite happy and should have nothing to prove. ;)

We are the new Foxbody and that, my friend, is not a bad thing.

I'm liking this quote...

Damn... 13.7 out of a freaking V6 Mustang. Times do change.

The whole Mustang line-up for 2011 looks really good. The 5.0 especially. I'll take mine in white with Brick Red interior.

It's strange how quickly this all came about. Granted the LS1 has been meandering about the streets since late 1996. We've held top level status ever since. I was impressed when the 3.6 Camaro started cutting mid 14s, but now this? No reason to be nervous or butthurt, but it's an eye opener. The LS1, like the old EFI 5.0s, is now a forefather to bigger and badder things. We've got to accept that something that has been out for nearly 14 years will eventually be caught up with.

Stock for stock, we have some steep competition, but we all know how little these things need to be breathed on to run 12s, 11s and 10s. We've got a mountains worth of aftermarket support and factory built options to up the game of our old F-bodies. That 3.7 isn't really anything to fret over; it's the 5.0 that'll getcha. Even then, I'm looking at this competition as one hell of a good thing. It's about fucking time.


Excuse me while I browse the classifieds for LQ/92 parts. :pimp:

hahaha the v6 mustang is faster than any GT they have ever made as of yet except for the 2011. About time ford...

13.70's out of a stock V6 is incredible.It truly is. :nod:




My A4 LS1 only went 13.67 @ 105mph in bone stock trim. Ouch.That may be so, but in those same conditions (I assume that they were pretty bad for the car to have gone that slow) that 13.7 second Mustang V6 might only go 14.2s or slower.
I only say this because I personally know of at least 8 LS1 F-bodies that ran between
12.9 and 13.2 in bone stock trim, both manuals and automatics.
Then again, :thinker: there is a chance that in the same conditions those LS1s ran that this 13.7 Mustang V6 might also go a 13.4/13.5 as well. ;)

I actually argued with a few ppl on my local forum that the V6 Mustang, at best, would about a 14 flat given its HP and TQ numbers... I was wrong apparently lol. I was also basing it off of the Camaros specs and times, just with less weight.

Now I do have to ask tho.. is the V6 Mustang underrated? Because a 2011, bone stock, Mustang GT dyno'd at 395rwhp.. and another around 370rwhp and is rated at 412hp. I mean our LS1s are rated between 305-325 and dyno at around 300rwhp, so it wouldnt surprise me.. but it would be nice to know.

Idk what people are worried about. To get into the V6 mustang game you gotta pay 24 grand. Imagine what you could get with that into an f-body.

Now imagine this, This V6 and the Camaro V6.....are already dam quick and to think GM and Ford are thinking about bringing out TTV6 models as well..:jest:


6-7 days we will get 2011 Camaro engine specs...hopefully they bumped the HP in the cars or shed some weight off them...or both :)

I dont think there are many places to shed weight on this car. At least to factory standards.

hahaha the v6 mustang is faster than any GT they have ever made as of yet except for the 2011. About time ford...
False.
Idk what people are worried about. To get into the V6 mustang game you gotta pay 24 grand. Imagine what you could get with that into an f-body.

Fuckin' ricer. :eyes:

False.


Fuckin' ricer. :eyes:

Its true. You can't compare car to car, you always have to compare $ to $. Stock for Stock a new Toyota Rav 4 is faster than a 80's 5.0, but which are you going to buy if you want to build a drag racing car. :nod:

Stock for Stock a new Toyota Rav 4 is faster than a 80's 5.0, but which are you going to buy if you want to build a drag racing car. :nod:

You might want to check into that a little bit more. Regarding the $$$ aspect, you're involved in the wrong hobby is money is tight for you.
Newsflash: $24K is NOTHING for a car these days.

And ya really can't compare a new car to an old one either and still claim that it's a true apples to apples comparison.
From a strictly bang for the buck performance only perspective yes that old modified 5.0 is the better choice but when one factors in things such as fuel economy, safety devices and warranty (not important to some but certainly important to many) then it can suddenly lose it's appeal.
New Mustang V6s should be compared to new Camaro V6s and Challenger V6s.
And old 5.0s should probably be matched up with old 3rg gen F-bodies or even turbo Regals. :nod:

Its true. You can't compare car to car, you always have to compare $ to $. Stock for Stock a new Toyota Rav 4 is faster than a 80's 5.0, but which are you going to buy if you want to build a drag racing car. :nod:

Ls1s went for 30K+ when they were new.

My bone stock LS1 ran 13.3 at 108mph with a 2.2 60ft on street tires. With a little more practice it could have gone high 12's I bet.

Its funny how some LS1's very so much in quarter mile times. I think the new v6 Mustang is impressive but I wouldnt say its on par with an LS1. Come on people...use your head.

Its funny how some LS1's very so much in quarter mile times.

They don't. There are a lot of variables that contribute to the difference in ET's....track prep, DA, driver ability, etc.

Its funny how some LS1's very so much in quarter mile times.They don't. There are a lot of variables that contribute to the difference in ET's....track prep, DA, driver ability, etc.I agree, they really don't vary all that much, it's all of the surrounding elements/factors that cause the disparity in ETs.
Other essential factors are which model, options and transmission choice...a fully loaded Trans Am convertible automatic with 2.73 gears wouldn't stand a chance against a well driven, low option, hardtop Z28 manual, up to a 200+ pound weight difference between the two cars yet they have the exact same motor. :nod:

Just playing a little devils advocate here. Don't other V6 cars run just as fast if not faster, yet get NO respect around here. First thing that comes to mind is the 350Z and 370Z. Why does a 13.7 from a Mustang strike fear into the hearts of LS1 owners everywhere, yet you get crucified for putting "350Z/370Z" and "quick" in the same sentence?

Idk what people are worried about. To get into the V6 mustang game you gotta pay 24 grand. Imagine what you could get with that into an f-body.

Yeah I agree. Use the spare $14k in your wallet for some headers and the mustang is not even a sweat anymore.

Also I don't get the big deal... v6's have been running 13's for many years... look at nissans v6 for instance.

Just playing a little devils advocate here. Don't other V6 cars run just as fast if not faster, yet get NO respect around here. First thing that comes to mind is the 350Z and 370Z. Why does a 13.7 from a Mustang strike fear into the hearts of LS1 owners everywhere, yet you get crucified for putting "350Z/370Z" and "quick" in the same sentence?

Because the 350/370 Z's are the tip of Nissan's affordable sports car spear. The V6 Mustang and Camaro, on the other hand......are just the cheap alternatives to their V8 powered big brothers. If the Z's had higher performance turbo models, for instance, then I could see going with your argument. But the fact is that those cars are designed to fight against the Mustang GT's and Camaro SS'........the sixxer ponies are just designed to make money off of the more expensive model's styling and character.

Besides, the Z's are 2 seaters. Different car segment altogether really from a base model pony car........not to mention much more expensive.

People give them shit on here because they are imports. If the 370Z had been the new Pontiac Solstice coupe, all the people here that hate them would magically love it cuz it has a Pontiac badge. Some people are that simple.

You might want to check into that a little bit more. Regarding the $$$ aspect, you're involved in the wrong hobby is money is tight for you.
Newsflash: $24K is NOTHING for a car these days.

What kind of response is that. When is money not a factor? especially when were talking about more than 10 grand. Ok, sorry, why even talk about these cars at all then, lets just all go out and buy Vipers or F430s, if you can't afford those you shouldn't be a car enthusiast. there are a lot of people, even on this forum that consider cost before purchasing a performance car or doing mods to their cars.

And you missed the point, I was saying that a V6 mustang can't compare to an LS1 F-body because of how much more it costs. If you want an affordable 13 second car, an F-body is a better choice still simply because of how much cheaper it is and its potential that it has proven to have. A C5 Z06 is $24k and could waste an F-body, that doesn't mean we f-body owners should all shit out pants.

Just playing a little devils advocate here. Don't other V6 cars run just as fast if not faster, yet get NO respect around here. First thing that comes to mind is the 350Z and 370Z. Why does a 13.7 from a Mustang strike fear into the hearts of LS1 owners everywhere, yet you get crucified for putting "350Z/370Z" and "quick" in the same sentence?Valid point but have you priced a 370Z lately?
Once the discounts and rebates kick in (and they very likely will eventually) on these base model Mustangs and Camaros they will be selling for under $21k in some cases. Even now you can get them for under $24k.
Mustangs/Camaros have back seats (albeit small ones) and 370Zs don't. Now, G37s have back seats can ya really compare nearly $40k+ car to a $24k one?
And as mentioned above yes, the 370Z is a top shelf flagship model sports car, Mustang/Camaro V6s are mere bread and butter grocery getter sport coupes yet are still making big power at a bargain price.
And among my personal reasons for going a little gaga over these two cars, I'm very proud that they're made by Ford and GM, iconic/legendary American car companies. :usa: :)
All that being said, I do happen to like the 370Z and consider it a decent sports/performance car value.

People give them shit on here because they are imports. If the 370Z had been the new Pontiac Solstice coupe, all the people here that hate them would magically love it cuz it has a Pontiac badge. Some people are that simple.Exactly.
And there's something wrong with that? :confused:
People hate certain politicians because they're either republicans or democrats.
When that same politician changes their platform and swings to the other side they might suddenly love them.
Same with baseball players, ya might hate a guy because he plays for the Red Sox.
Next year he gets traded to the Yankees and you're suddenly buying his jersey to wear to all of the games.
Same thing here. :)

hahaha the v6 mustang is faster than any GT they have ever made as of yet except for the 2011. About time ford...

The '05+ GT's have run as fast as 13.3 and consistently run mid 13's numbnuts.

Exactly.
And there's something wrong with that? :confused:
People hate certain politicians because they're either republicans or democrats.
When that same politician changes their platform and swings to the other side they might suddenly love them.
Same with baseball players, ya might hate a guy because he plays for the Red Sox.
Next year he gets traded to the Yankees and you're suddenly buying his jersey to wear to all of the games.
Same thing here. :)

Yes, but nothing you are saying makes any sense, and you are basically admitting that point of view is dumb. I am proud when good cars are made in this country, but I don't talk trash about great cars that are made in other countries.

The '05+ GT's have run as fast as 13.3 and consistently run mid 13's numbnuts.

im not talking car and driver numbers bs. I have two buddies with GT's both are dog shit slow. one is a 08 and the other a 07 and both barely break 14.5's and cant even trap over 101 mph. They are crap monsters. It takes 10lbs of boost for them to go 12.7's pathetic.

im not talking car and driver numbers bs. I have two buddies with GT's both are dog shit slow. one is a 08 and the other a 07 and both barely break 14.5's and cant even trap over 101 mph. They are crap monsters. It takes 10lbs of boost for them to go 12.7's pathetic.

So since your friends can't drive, that means that the cars are slow? Mustang GTs have been capable of running in the 13s since 1999, get with the program. Or reality, whichever you choose.

So since your friends can't drive, that means that the cars are slow? Mustang GTs have been capable of running in the 13s since 1999, get with the program. Or reality, whichever you choose.

A STOCK GT from 99 runs 13's???? You must be smoking crack. Why are you even on ls1tech??? Your name is irun11's but so far i see you have driven a 14 second mustang and a almost 14 second HONDA:eyes: You need to get in mommy's corvette and spray it so you can feel some REAL power under your ass. Until then i would request a name change to "I almost run 13's" I would love to see a 100% STOCK GT from 99-present run 13's. :wrongforu

So since your friends can't drive, that means that the cars are slow? Mustang GTs have been capable of running in the 13s since 1999.

They have? LOL


Sorry, thats just funny.

A STOCK GT from 99 runs 13's???? You must be smoking crack. Why are you even on ls1tech??? Your name is irun11's but so far i see you have driven a 14 second mustang and a almost 14 second HONDA:eyes: You need to get in mommy's corvette and spray it so you can feel some REAL power under your ass. Until then i would request a name change to "I almost run 13's" I would love to see a 100% STOCK GT from 99-present run 13's. :wrongforu

They have? LOL


Sorry, thats just funny.

If the two of you are both ignorant enough to not understand facts, then I'm sorry. Many people might not have been able to do it, but the FACT still remains that stock '99+ Mustang GT 5spds have run as low as 13.7 in the 1/4. You don't want to admit that, your problem not mine. :gtfo:

99 GTs are capable of running 13s in perfect circumstances.. Meaning a very good driver and a very good DA, both must be present. They are "capable" of it though. Just like Ls1s are "capable" of running 12s.

Uh oh, now Lemons is smoking crack too :eyes:

If the two of you are both ignorant enough to not understand facts, then I'm sorry. Many people might not have been able to do it, but the FACT still remains that stock '99+ Mustang GT 5spds have run as low as 13.7 in the 1/4. You don't want to admit that, your problem not mine. :gtfo:


You missed the point. I though it was funny that your trying to prove that Mustang GTs could run a whopping 13.7. Its not that I dont believe you its just funny because of what it is.

Im still not a believer..........the early GT's are crap. Show me a video or some time slips of a STOCK 99 running 13's. I wont even begin to make fun of the automatic GT's bc thats even worse.

All i am saying is that ford FINALLY did something right for a change. They stopped "Advertising" horsepower and finally made some cars with actual horsepower. I just find it funny that the new V6 is faster than all of the GT's in the past.

Start the celebration were almost running 13's with a pro driver!!!!!!!
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_9912_1999_ford_mustang_gt/index.html

im not talking car and driver numbers bs. I have two buddies with GT's both are dog shit slow. one is a 08 and the other a 07 and both barely break 14.5's and cant even trap over 101 mph. They are crap monsters. It takes 10lbs of boost for them to go 12.7's pathetic.

I don't give a flying fuck what your butt buddies can (or in this case can't) do. When the '05's first came out I drove a friends bone stock GT to a 13.68 at 104 on my first run in the Texas summer heat.

You missed the point. I though it was funny that your trying to prove that Mustang GTs could run a whopping 13.7. Its not that I dont believe you its just funny because of what it is.
I think it's funnier when people try to argue that it never happened.
Im still not a believer..........the early GT's are crap. Show me a video or some time slips of a STOCK 99 running 13's. I wont even begin to make fun of the automatic GT's bc thats even worse.

All i am saying is that ford FINALLY did something right for a change. They stopped "Advertising" horsepower and finally made some cars with actual horsepower. I just find it funny that the new V6 is faster than all of the GT's in the past.
Record for a '99-'04 automatic GT is 14.2, I believe. Google is your friend :google:
Start the celebration were almost running 13's with a pro driver!!!!!!!
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_9912_1999_ford_mustang_gt/index.html

Motor Trend also ran a 13.8 in an LS1 Firehawk ~12 years ago. When there are thousands of people that OWN the cars and have run them, don't use magazine times.

I think it's funnier when people try to argue that it never happened.

Record for a '99-'04 automatic GT is 14.2, I believe. Google is your friend :google:


Motor Trend also ran a 13.8 in an LS1 Firehawk ~12 years ago. When there are thousands of people that OWN the cars and have run them, don't use magazine times.

Meh don't worry, the stock 14 second GT was still as fast or faster than the stock LT1.

If you want to use magazine racing this article has a list of some 1/4 mile times from the car's they've tested over the years.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0112_camaro_ss_mustang_cobra_comparison/number_comparison.html

im not talking car and driver numbers bs. I have two buddies with GT's both are dog shit slow. one is a 08 and the other a 07 and both barely break 14.5's and cant even trap over 101 mph. They are crap monsters. It takes 10lbs of boost for them to go 12.7's pathetic.

This a high altitude track or something? If not, your two friends are completely inept drivers. That's their fault......not the cars'.

I'm not one to start shit around here, but you need to lay off the General's cock before you choke. 05+ GT's were solid mid to high 13 second cars stock, and one pushing 10 lbs of boost is easily an 11 second car with a half ass driver. Oh, and while it doesn't look that way from your perspective.......the world actually is round, not flat. ;)

Uh oh, now Lemons is smoking crack too :eyes:

Do explain man... The quickest ever for them is a 13.7.. So you are telling me the average run within 3 tenths of that?

If that is the case.. The quickest fbody, IIRC, is 12.6.. That would be the average fbody would run in the 12s and we know that is not the case.

You are telling me with a DA of 2500 and a good driver it will hit 13s... Or a DA of 500 and a crappy driver it will hit 13s.
I can believe with a DA of 500 and a good driver it is possible to hit 13s. But both of those must be present for that to happen.

How can you argue that?

Do explain man... The quickest ever for them is a 13.7.. So you are telling me the average run within 3 tenths of that?

If that is the case.. The quickest fbody, IIRC, is 12.6.. That would be the average fbody would run in the 12s and we know that is not the case.

You are telling me with a DA of 2500 and a good driver it will hit 13s... Or a DA of 500 and a crappy driver it will hit 13s.
I can believe with a DA of 500 and a good driver it is possible to hit 13s. But both of those must be present for that to happen.

How can you argue that?
What I said was in response to this...
A STOCK GT from 99 runs 13's???? You must be smoking crack. Why are you even on ls1tech??? Your name is irun11's but so far i see you have driven a 14 second mustang and a almost 14 second HONDA:eyes: You need to get in mommy's corvette and spray it so you can feel some REAL power under your ass. Until then i would request a name change to "I almost run 13's" I would love to see a 100% STOCK GT from 99-present run 13's. :wrongforu
When you then said this...
99 GTs are capable of running 13s in perfect circumstances.. Meaning a very good driver and a very good DA, both must be present. They are "capable" of it though. Just like Ls1s are "capable" of running 12s.

Which insinuated that since I had to be smoking crack, apparently you were too.

im not talking car and driver numbers bs. I have two buddies with GT's both are dog shit slow. one is a 08 and the other a 07 and both barely break 14.5's and cant even trap over 101 mph. They are crap monsters. It takes 10lbs of boost for them to go 12.7's pathetic.


10lbs of boost in a otherwise stock 2005 - 2009 in a turbo will yield 500-515 rwhp. in a whipple its around 475rwhp. thats 11 second territory.


im not going to defend mustangs on a LS site. but what you are saying is just not true.

your altitude in the chicago area is 669 feet above mean sea level.
on an average spring day with 70degrees,30.00 pressure, 40percent humidity a DA of 1556. the correction factor of .9829 and 1.018 mph correction.

a typical 05-09 automatic gt WILL run 1/8th 9.1-9.2 and 14.0-14.2 at bowling green.
a typical 05-09 manual GT WILL run 1/8th mile 8.7-8.8 and 13.6-13.7 again at bowling green


totally untouched cars. ive witnessed it too many times. ive raced against them too many times.


you are saying you see 300hp(269rwhp)3500lb manual transmission car(they are simply a car)14.5 at 101 mph.

how can a 4th gen LT-1 run 8.9 1/8th and 13.9 quarter miles BONE STOCK with 25hp and no variable cam timing less? i have also witness 93 6-speed Z28's destroy stangs but run 8.90's 1/8th mile every time. (automatics run 9.17 1/8th mile)

you are saying you see 05-09 mustang gt's with 207rwhp. thats the power they have to make to run that time.

101 mph is at least close to what they run bone stock(102-104). ill give you that.


not trying to start anything. but thats like saying a M6 2010 SS only runs 13.7@105mph.

Meh don't worry, the stock 14 second GT was still as fast or faster than the stock LT1.


Should be roughly in the same boat as a Mustang GT in terms of breaking into the 13s, with the edge going to the LT1 since is a bit underrated itself.

Do explain man... The quickest ever for them is a 13.7.. So you are telling me the average run within 3 tenths of that?

If that is the case.. The quickest fbody, IIRC, is 12.6.. That would be the average fbody would run in the 12s and we know that is not the case.


This is true. 99-04 Mustang GTs can break into the 13s with nearly perfect conditions, just like 98-02 Trans Ams/Formulas/Z28s can break into the 12s with near perfect conditions. But not one would say an LS1 F-body is a 12 second car, nor a Mustang GT is a 13 second car.

What I said was in response to this...
When you then said this...
Which insinuated that since I had to be smoking crack, apparently you were too.

:bang: My bad man! :chug:

I like this thread...it's just too bad it's not about the 2011 Mustang V6, cause that would be awesome.

Oh, fucking hell. Has this thread ever been shit on. Yay. Has this topic ever been beat to death.

Here's an idea -- and I'm not being a smart ass: the next time you think about engaging in any kind of dispute or disagreement or even a discussion about 99-04 Mustang GT's performance anywhere but in a shit-talking racing section, do the Internet a favor...


...Don't.

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