Negative Trader Feedback - Beware of smok'nZ!

Andrew (smok’nz) completely scammed me!!! STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY

Let me preface this by saying I have been on the forums for years and have never tried to screw anyone over or scam anyone. I have 100% trader feedback on every forum I am on as well as eBay and have many transactions that can attest to my honesty.

I agreed to give him a great deal on my c5 z06 wheels are tires because he seemed like a really cool guy at the time ($700 SHIPPED). I spoke with him on the phone on (3/24/10) and specifically explained that the wheels were in great shape and that there was no curb rash, pitting, or chipping. I told him that the rear tires were completely done, one front tire was in good shape, and the other front was drive-able but was unevenly worn because of a misalignment. Andrew agreed to the quality of the wheels and saw detailed pics of the wheels and tires within my classified thread.

He asked me to ship the wheels via FedEx because he has had good experiences with them in his area. Even though I did not want to do so because I knew that the cost was significantly higher than going with UPS, I did so and it cost me $217 to ship with insurance. (The wheels were shipped the same day payment was sent)

I then received a PM yesterday (3/30/10) from Andrew stating that there were scratches on one of the wheels. I told him that I was very surprised to hear this because I inspected the wheels before shipping and advised him to file a claim with FedEx because I insured the wheels for shipping. I asked him to send me pictures of the wheels also and he sent me some blurry cell phone pics. Even though I was 99.999999% sure I did not ship the wheels with scratches or rash, I told him that I was sorry that he was not completely satisfied with the wheels and that I was willing to work with him.

Andrew asked me for a $50 refund and I told him that I had already taken a huge hit on the wheels with the shipping costs but that I would give him $50 out of good faith because I felt bad. About 20 minutes later, I then received an email from PayPal stating that Andrew had opened a dispute against me and that he wants $100 refund (although we had previously agreed to $50). I immediately contacted Andrew and he said that he had changed his mind and that I should meet him in the middle at $75. I was completely outraged but told him that all of this bullshit wasn’t worth my time and that I would refund him the $75 if he closed the dispute and we could be done with this. He agreed to leave positive feedback and close the dispute on PayPal if I refunded him the $75. Within the details of the $75 PayPal payment I sent to Andrew, I even specified this…

“Here is the $75 refund you requested. Per our previous conversation, in accepting this payment, you agree to leave positive feedback on ls1tech and you also agree to not open any further disputes or claims via PayPal or LS1tech.”

Today, I receive a text message from Andrew saying that one of the tires had the cords showing and to enjoy the negative feedback he was going to leave me. He completely went against his word and even though he accepted the $75 refund, went against the terms of the refund that we agreed to.

I am absolutely livid right now. Andrew is downright dishonest and a scammer! Do NOT trust this guy or do business with him.

WTF is with people on tech recently. There is an abnormal amount of scammers. I would be pissed too bro.

This guy has a ton of postive feedback and I thought it would be an easy transaction. I WAS WRONG. HE seemed to be really cool when I talked to him on the phone and I told him that I would hook him up with a deal because I had just recieved a raise at work, got a good deal on my new wheels, and was having a great day. I got completely screwed. At the end of the day, I got $408 for my great condition c5 z06 wheels :(

Times are hard, people are more desperate these days? Thats about all I can guess.

Times are hard, people are more desperate these days? Thats about all I can guess.

i know man its just unfortunate that it came to this. i have never had a bad expereince buying and or selling on any of the forums i have been on (tech, pro-touring, lateral-g, cf, tahoeyukon, mtbr, norcal-lsx, e46fanatics, ect) .

its really not the money that i am concerned about and that is why i didnt mind "paying it foward" or giving this guy a deal. instead, what really pisses me off is the fact that this guy tried to screw me and is absolutely dishonest.

i dont want to let this guys' 100% trader feedback fool anyone else on here.

i dont know if he is just young an immature (using his mom's paypal) or what the deal is.

Wow you paid all the shipping costs AND gave him a break on the rims price wise? That blows man sorry to hear about dealing w/ D bags... Least you have the raise at work to look forward to :secret2: Karma's a B his motor probably blows this time next week if were lucky lol... no but serious... kaboom...

You don't have any negative feedback, yet anyway. Sounds like you did the right thing with him, you can't make everyone happy.

Wow you paid all the shipping costs AND gave him a break on the rims price wise? That blows man sorry to hear about dealing w/ D bags... Least you have the raise at work to look forward to :secret2: Karma's a B his motor probably blows this time next week if were lucky lol... no but serious... kaboom...

thanks man. i would never wish harm or misfortune upon someone but i know that karma will come back around.

well the wheels acording to him had no curb rash and one rear did and one front has 2 dents he said rear tires needed replaced i knew that one fronts was showing the chords and was cracking and the other tires on the dented front doesnt even match he didnt mention this at all

You don't have any negative feedback, yet anyway. Sounds like you did the right thing with him, you can't make everyone happy.

i got some now...lol

well the wheels acording to him had no curb rash and one rear did and one front has 2 dents he said rear tires needed replaced i knew that one fronts was showing the chords and was cracking and the other tires on the dented front doesnt even match he didnt mention this at all

You told me one rear wheel had some scratches on it and sent me some shitty cell phone pics. I asked you to open a claim through fedex because the wheels were in great shape before I shipped them out. You said that it looked like the "rash" or "dent" couldn't have been caused by shipping and i told you that even though I found it very hard to believe, I was willing to work with you.

How do I know you didn't damage them yourself??? But I took you word and out of good faith, I gave you a refund. You then go against our agreed terms and tell me to "enjoy the negative feedback"

well the wheels acording to him had no curb rash and one rear did and one front has 2 dents he said rear tires needed replaced i knew that one fronts was showing the chords and was cracking and the other tires on the dented front doesnt even match he didnt mention this at all

Now there are dents too? What's next???? Are you going to open a dispute with Paypal stating you never recieved any wheels?

You have got to be kidding me....:bang:

i requested 100 via paypal an hour before he said anything about 50$ i told him i would meet in the middle with 75 and i had only seen 3 wheels at that time today fedex delivered the 4th with a missmatching tire and dented in 2 spots on the rim he decribed the wheels as mint no dents scratches etc i still have all the pm's and about the 75$ he filed a clam about it so i still paid 700+3% fee for scratched wheels with no tires all are junk except one which im not gonna buy 3 to match it so might as well throw it away you lied about the wheels end of story

Now there are dents too? What's next???? Are you going to open a dispute with Paypal stating you never recieved any wheels?

You have got to be kidding me....:bang:

i told you i only had 3 wheels you can call fed ex and ask them but ya the other 17" wheel came today with the missmatching tire and has 2 dents in it and i just text my friend to see if he can bring the digi camera today

no im going to reopen my claim on paypal and state wheels where not as described

i requested 100 via paypal an hour before he said anything about 50$ i told him i would meet in the middle with 75 and i had only seen 3 wheels at that time today fedex delivered the 4th with a missmatching tire and dented in 2 spots on the rim he decribed the wheels as mint no dents scratches etc i still have all the pm's and about the 75$ he filed a clam about it so i still paid 700+3% fee for scratched wheels with no tires all are junk except one which im not gonna buy 3 to match it so might as well throw it away you lied about the wheels end of story

NO it is not the end of the story. First off, please use some grammar and puntuation so I can understand what you are trying to say.

I sent the wheels out in great condition and have people that can attest to that. I never specified that the tires matched and when I spoke to you on the phone, I described the condition of the tires accurately.

Even though you accepeted the $75 refund and terms of the refund we agreed to, you deliberately went against that.

Now you are saying that another wheel has imperfections and that you had not previously looked at all of the wheels when you accepted the money I returned out of good faith.

So that is my fault? Once again, I sent the wheels in great shape without these "DENTS or RASH" you speak of. How do I know you didn't damage these wheels on your own? I even offered to file a claim via FedEx since I paid $217 to ship these wheels with insurance.

dont worry ill have pics of them soon, and i can i put dents and rashes in the wheels when my car doesnt even have the tranny hooked up? why would i want cur rashed wheels just to get some money back i bought them from you bc you said mint condishion no curb rash etc

i told you i only had 3 wheels you can call fed ex and ask them but ya the other 17" wheel came today with the missmatching tire and has 2 dents in it and i just text my friend to see if he can bring the digi camera today

no im going to reopen my claim on paypal and state wheels where not as described

Once again, I understand that you think the wheels are not as described. Even though I don't agree with you, I told you that I was willing to work with you and make things right (i.e. opening a claim with FedEx).

You then go and backstab me after I issued you an agreed to refund based on your subjective opinion regrading the condition of the wheels.

So it is my fault you did not thoroughly inspect all of the wheels before accepting the refund money?

Now you are reporting dents...You are ridiculous

dont worry ill have pics of them soon, and i can i put dents and rashes in the wheels when my car doesnt even have the tranny hooked up? why would i want cur rashed wheels just to get some money back i bought them from you bc you said mint condishion no curb rash etc


If they were really fucked up like you said they were why did you accept shipment? I issued you a refund solely based on your word (which obviously doesn't mean much) and then you screw me over.

Let's see some pictures, let the truth be told!

Dents on rims don't happen very easily but they DO happen in the shipping process. When I had my supercharger rebuilt and sent back to me it had dropped at some point in the shipping process and bent the unit that hooks up with the motor. I'm just saying it "could" be the shipping co. fault not necessarily a he said she said thing.... Just saying... .02

I am looking forward to seeing some good pics as well. I inspected the wheels before shipping and they did not have curb rash or dents. Because I thought maybe I overlooked some small scratches or something I took his word and agreed to pay a refund. Here is the response I sent him:
"Hey man, I was really suprised to get this PM from you. Let me first explain that I pride myself in being upfront and honest about stuff and have never set out to screw anyone over.

I am 99% certain that there was no curb rash on the wheels before I sent them out. I washed the car a few days before and took pictures of each wheel individually because I was trying to sell them locally as well and a few people asked for individual pics. Were the boxes damaged at all? Is it possible the wheels were compromised during shipping? If so, I did insure the wheels through Fedex so you may want to file a claim.

When we spoke on the phone I stated the rear tires were done, one front was worn because of alignment but okay for another couple k, and the other front was in pretty good shape. When I described the condition, I was talking to the tread. To be perfectly honest, I was not aware that any of the tires were cracking. They never leaked air on me since I have had them...

Once again, I am sorry to hear that you are disappointed with the condition. Can you please send me pics of the curb rash you are describing? I don't know how I could of overlooked that...

Thanks."

If they were really fucked up like you said they were why did you accept shipment? I issued you a refund solely based on your word (which obviously doesn't mean much) and then you screw me over.

Unless the box is really fucked up like seeing a wheel through it or something you cant open a package and then deny shipment.

I used to work customer service and customers would recieve boxes like this all the time. You can only refuse it before you open it. Ie the damaged part. They would open the package and then tell the guy to take it back and they cant.


Though through the paypal thing it sounds to me like your getting shafted. Shoulda have filed a claim with fed ex with the pictures you had of the wheels if it was a legit claim.

Unless the box is really fucked up like seeing a wheel through it or something you cant open a package and then deny shipment.

I used to work customer service and customers would recieve boxes like this all the time. You can only refuse it before you open it. Ie the damaged part. They would open the package and then tell the guy to take it back and they cant.


Though through the paypal thing it sounds to me like your getting shafted. Shoulda have filed a claim with fed ex with the pictures you had of the wheels if it was a legit claim.

Thanks for the info man. He said the boxes were not damaged so out of his defense, it doesnt sound like he could have refused.

I was able to expand and clarify the pics he sent. Here they are:
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss61/FadedSS/damage3.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss61/FadedSS/damage2.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss61/FadedSS/damage1.jpg

Those are the pics he sent me and said that those were all from the same wheel. It doesn't look like anything I saw before I shipped them and that is why I thought the damage could have occurred during shipment. It is also very difficult to tell how deep or serious the scratches are. Regardless, I refunded the money because I felt really bad about it and so that he could repair the wheel. Then this buyer backstabbed me and deliberately violated our agreement because he supposedly had not inspected all of the wheels.

Andrew- if you were a man of your word, you would have called me to discuss instead of cowardly sending me a text message saying "enjoy the negative feedback"

wow he actually posted the pics what a surprise i hope bigmike2005 a member on here can get the camera and bring it by on lunch tomorrow and we can get pics of the other front wheels dents and about accepting the fed ex packages you made it to where no signature required so i got home and 3 boxes were on my front porch

fadedss can i send you pics of the dents on the other front wheels to host on here?

wow he actually posted the pics what a surprise i hope bigmike2005 a member on here can get the camera and bring it by on lunch tomorrow and we can get pics of the other front wheels dents and about accepting the fed ex packages you made it to where no signature required so i got home and 3 boxes were on my front porch

fadedss can i send you pics of the dents on the other front wheels to host on here?

Why wouldn't I post the pics? I have repeatedly stated that I am not trying to hide anything and was willing to work with you when you said there was damage. You are the one that went behind my back.

fadedss can i send you pics of the dents on the other front wheels to host on here?

Email them to me and I'll put them on here.

mpdoyle1@gmail.com

-Mike

I am leaving for the airport and will be out of town until next week.

With that said, I have nothing more to say aside from the fact that you are a coward, dishonest, and screwed me over. When you told me there was damage on the wheels it was very hard for me to believe but I was willing to work with you. We agreed to a 75$ refund and to leave eachother postive trader feedback. You then decide that there is more damage and tell me to "enjoy the negative feedback"...real classy buddy.

Just got another email from paypal. Now this guy is requesting another $200!!! Once again, not communicating with me but instead going behind my back...

So I guess my chrome c5z06 wheels were worth $208...:rolleyes:

Just got another email from paypal. Now this guy is requesting another $200!!! Once again, not communicating with me but instead going behind my back...

So I guess my chrome c5z06 wheels were worth $208...:rolleyes:

Seriously? Dude wtf?

ya when u buy a set of wheels with 2 good tires and no curb rash and u get them with curb rash and 1 ok tire you would want 200 out of your 725 back as well

Dude despite what you think, I am not trying to fuck you over nore have I tried to fuck anyone over like this. I don't need the money and wouldn't go through all this shit for a couple hundred bucks..In fact, the wheels on my z06 are probably worth more than you entire car.

I was willing to work with you and you went behind my back. We had an agreement, you violated that, threatened me, and now I have to waste my time with a Paypal dispute.

so bc i dont own a C6 Z06 your wheels are worth more than my car lmao

paypal should handle this anyways there will be a bad mark on your paypal and as a seller you should not be able to leave me a bad trader rating so im waiting for a mod to clear this up i would love for you to give me a full refund and pay for shipping back to you but u might as well dismount those junk tires and save shipping costs

so bc i dont own a C6 Z06 your wheels are worth more than my car lmao

paypal should handle this anyways there will be a bad mark on your paypal and as a seller you should not be able to leave me a bad trader rating so im waiting for a mod to clear this up i would love for you to give me a full refund and pay for shipping back to you but u might as well dismount those junk tires and save shipping costs



There are 3 sides to every story, but your the one sounding like a dick head. FYI.

wow im sorry dude, but this is pathetic. he not only paid shipping, then refunded you money, and now you want more money? thats about a dick move if ive ever seen one. grow up, and quit trying to con money out of this guy. he was up front with you, and even gave you more money out of his pocket which even most decent people wouldnt do, and yet you still are being a D-bag about it! i think its time you trade in your fbody for a mustang and call it a day.

first off he did not pay me shit he filed a claim about it so its pending not refunded and he said the wheels were mint they were far from it

The wheels are insured through FedEx righ? If so just file the claim see what they give you and call it a day. I understand its $750, but these are not some one of a kind 3-piece forged wheels. Even if FedEx gives you 75% of what the wheels are worth, you can replace the badones and call it a day.

But I would still like to see GOOD pictures of the wheels from both sides. Just my .02

He opened the dispute not me...

sorry to hear that, u r pretty much giving him the fucking wheels. i think u need to give him a good ol country ass whoopin imo... i just skimmed through this thread, but how much after all said and done did he actually get the wheels for?

sorry to hear that, u r pretty much giving him the fucking wheels. i think u need to give him a good ol country ass whoopin imo... i just skimmed through this thread, but how much after all said and done did he actually get the wheels for?

Im with this guy you can only work with someone so much you tried everthing. GL bro

Link to for sale ad?

he deleted the pics from his sale ad

btw i paid 725 shipped for the wheels which i knew needed 2 rear tires front tires were in good shape and had no curb rash dents etc thats not what i got

he did send me 75 back but then he filed a claim about it so i still have paid 725 for some wheels not as described

first off he did not pay me shit he filed a claim about it so its pending not refunded and he said the wheels were mint they were far from it

yes, i filed a claim because you violated our agreement and told me to "enjoy the negative feedback" after we agreed to leave postive feedback for eachother. in the end, you still recieved the refund and screwed me over. now i have to deal with the paypal dispute you opened and my paypal rep has suffered...

sorry to hear that, u r pretty much giving him the fucking wheels. i think u need to give him a good ol country ass whoopin imo... i just skimmed through this thread, but how much after all said and done did he actually get the wheels for?

haha... please believe that if he was local i would have showed up at his door step to settle this "dispute". I recieved $411 for the wheels and tires when it was all said and done.


from the pm's and emails i have recieved from others, this is not the first time smok'nZ has pulled this shit...hopefully a mod see's this thread, can reference the feedback from other members in the past about him, and can act accordingly...

This is why i always package my items at fed ex or ups, and take vid of them being boxed, so that exact condition of the product can be seen at the time of shipping when it leaves my hands. in the event of a dispute, then the blame can be accurately placed.

This is why i always package my items at fed ex or ups, and take vid of them being boxed, so that exact condition of the product can be seen at the time of shipping when it leaves my hands. in the event of a dispute, then the blame can be accurately placed.

thats a good idea man. i am hesitant to buy/sell on the forums now but if i do sell something i will be taking that advice

****Don't refund this guy a penny. Tell him you will refund his money completely once you get the wheels back. He ships them back ON HIS DIME. Paypal is very clear on the fact that the buyer has to pay to ship items back if they want a refund. Ask me how I know.:eyes: He's taking advantage of you.

he deleted the pics from his sale ad

btw i paid 725 shipped for the wheels which i knew needed 2 rear tires front tires were in good shape and had no curb rash dents etc thats not what i got

he did send me 75 back but then he filed a claim about it so i still have paid 725 for some wheels not as described

You're being a major d-bag. Send the rims back and get a full refund would be the best bet. You're sitting here trying to get free rims from this guy, and its fked up. "Give me $200 back blah blah" suck it up, if its not what you asked for send the rims back and buy a set from someone else ffs. He tried working with you on every front there is possible..

I usually dont get involved in the disputes, but I do cruise through here to see the names, that way if I ever do have a "deal" come up, the name will ring a bell.....
Anyways, reading through this post, I got fucked like this on another board about 6 months ago. Almost the SAME scenario, instead of wheels it was a transmission. Long and short of it is, its fucking bullshit!!!! If your not happy, send them back, and go buy a different set of wheels. Your TRYING to nit-pick and whine/complain about something that is nothing to try and SCAM some of your money back, and in the long run get a BETTER deal for YOU- Its fuckin BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Just this morning, I was going through the classifieds, and came across this post:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1250117-my-build-sale.html
While I was reading through it, I saw that you got all PISSY because you felt that he was asking to much for HIS motor. "well at 3500 for the shortblock it will never sell you can dam near get new 408's from sponcers" Post #18 in the thread above. It gets better though........ after the OP says, well thats the price, YOU get really whiney, and decide to show us your AWESOME math skills!!!!! Here is the quote "you wanted 4500 so minus the 1100 for the heads and 800 for the intake thats 2600 why not sell it for 2500? that makes no sence to me unless your really not trying to part it out and if thats the case just tell people your not gonna part it out PERIOD" That would be post #20 in the same ad. The best post of the whole thread though is #25, here it is "lol sounds like a real (honest) seller someone should jump on this deal asap"

Here's an idea- maybe he saw this thread and DIDNT WANNA FUCKIN DEAL WITH YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know I wouldnt- just for the simple fact that you are fucking this guy around on wheels, I could just imagine if you bought a used motor from someone............. Ive havent been screwed by anyone on here, and after about $8,000 in buyin/sellin from here, I think for the most part, the guys/gals on here are good, legit, stand up people. You sir, are the reason why though, everytime I buy/sell on a board I have that worry in the back of my mind............. and its fuckin sad that it has to be that way.

thanks for the support guys. unfortunately, this guy did get my refund even though i tried to stop the payment after i found out he screwed me over.

hopefully this thread gives people a heads up about him and can at the least, warn people of what they may be getting into if they decide to do business with this guy.

Wow Faded that is REALLY Stand up of you... Is he going to ship the wheels back at his expense now?

no that would be retarded why would i spend 100-150 shipping the wheels back when he described them as mint no rash etc next time check the wheels before you ship them take pics of them close up so you have proof

and ya this is the second time i bought a set of perfect wheels with curbrash so it will be the last set of used wheels i ever buy

[QUOTE=FadedSS;13139822]yes, i filed a claim because you violated our agreement and told me to "enjoy the negative feedback" after we agreed to leave postive feedback for eachother. in the end, you still recieved the refund and screwed me over. now i have to deal with the paypal dispute you opened and my paypal rep has suffered...



haha... please believe that if he was local i would have showed up at his door step to settle this "dispute". I recieved $411 for the wheels and tires when it was all said and done.


LOL if this was local the sale never would have happened i would have seen the rash and the flat spot on the front tire with chords showing and said ill give you 500 for them

All i'm saying Bro is have some class. I know you can be anyone you want to be on the internet but do you really want to be perceived as a Douche Bag on here? I'm not retarded thanks for asking and neither are the other forum members who concur what you did was childish, negative, and unfair. I guess you "won" in the end cause you managed to tarnish a tech members trader raiting and paypal account raiting as well as have him foot the bill to send you a full set of wheels cross country both ways no less (standing ovation) :barf:

It's disgusting... Good fortune in the near future Kid....

i dont care what people on the internet think and you buy some wheels that are described as mint no damage what so ever and get some curbrashed wheels and bald tires

and about "him footing the bill for shipping" we agreed to 700 shipped so i dont see what that has to do with anything

"and ya this is the second time i bought a set of perfect wheels with curbrash so it will be the last set of used wheels i ever buy"

So let me guess, its the second set of wheels that you got "almost free", huh????? :eyes:

"no that would be retarded why would i spend 100-150 shipping the wheels back when there's nothing wrong with the wheels, I can just manipulate the system and file a dispute and get most of my money back and keep the wheels........ Fixed for ya-

Really kinda surprised that there was no response to my post in here this morning................seeing how he has excuses/reasons for everything else

to be honest i didnt read you long ass post and i sent pics of the curb rash and i can surely send pics of the flat spot on the front tire

and on the other set i bought he agreed to send me 100 back but just didnt get online for 2-3 and i just stopped caring about it and sold them to a friend who used them as a down payment

and i paid 725 and he gave me 75 back ya almost free huh??????

to be honest i didnt read you long ass post and i sent pics of the curb rash and i can surely send pics of the flat spot on the front tire

and on the other set i bought he agreed to send me 100 back but just didnt get online for 2-3 and i just stopped caring about it and sold them to a friend who used them as a down payment

and i paid 725 and he gave me 75 back ya almost free huh??????
"I recieved $411 for the wheels and tires when it was all said and done." We all see your a math scholar, lets see you do your math again.........


Wow, big surprise here!!!! 2 sets of wheels, 2 times a refund- seems to be a pattern here- NICE!!!!!!!! I was just takin a stab in the dark, but you just admitted that your're a SCAMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just remember, kharma is a bitch, and what goes around comes around. Glad I NEVER dealt with ya or ever will- like I said, your the reason that makes selling stuff through the boards such a painful process................

"I recieved $411 for the wheels and tires when it was all said and done." We all see your a math scholar, lets see you do your math again.........


Wow, big surprise here!!!! 2 sets of wheels, 2 times a refund- seems to be a pattern here- NICE!!!!!!!! I was just takin a stab in the dark, but you just admitted that your're a SCAMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just remember, kharma is a bitch, and what goes around comes around. Glad I NEVER dealt with ya or ever will- like I said, your the reason that makes selling stuff through the boards such a painful process................

wow you cant read i said he never sent the 100 and i paid 625 for them he knew it wasnt gonna be cheap to send 4 wheels with 3 junk tires he could have saved 50-75 it he would have sent them w/o the rear tires and 1 junk 17 up front

Whatever, man. Im done, made my point. Best of luck to ya-:eyes:

Whatever, man. Im done, made my point. Best of luck to ya-:eyes:

I'm with you. This is not worth the time...

God damn, I missed some drama. You gonna be home on lunch today Andrew, still not sure if the camera will be here at work as we are shipping several vessels out this week & the shop foreman had it last I knew of. But I can come by & look at the wheels & inspect the damage being spoken of.

For what its worth people on here who know me know I'm no liar & have no reason to lie. Hell I've never even had a deal go anywhere near sour on here thank god. I'll go look at the wheels as a third party & report back what I find.

I will say this with 100% faith weather the seller or anyone else who has chimed in wants to believe it or not, Andrew would NOT damage a item after recieving it. I have known him for a few years now & seen all the parts he has bought & sold. He is not a scammer as being accused of as far as I know. I have never known him to be anyway.

I'm sorry I couldn't get a good camera over to him so he could get better pics. But to be honest I have seen him recieve products not as described several times. Including a set of drag wheels with dents in them that the seller never mentioned. It is very possible for items to be damaged in shipping no matter what company used especially if not packaged properly.

I'll check it all out & report back & if I can get the camera I'll have pics to post as well. I'm not taking a side here but since I'm local & can swing by to see whats goin on I'm offering my time & eyes to check it all out.

OK guys, here is my report back. I do not know the full extent of all the transaction details but here is what I noticed.

Driver side front:
Everything looks good except a spot on the lip that appears to be a thin scratch possibly all the way thru the chrome. I told Andrew it could be a mark from the previous owner having a new tire mounted at some time & the tire tech was sloppy. Easily could have been overlooked before sale but none the less there is a scratch.

Driver side rear:
Everything looked great to me with the rim itself. The tire is completely bald but that could have already been discussed between them proir to sell. They can clear this up.

Passanger side front:
First thing I noticed was a "chip" out of the chrome on one of the spokes. And it definetly goes all the way thru to the raw aluminum below the chrome plating. Next thing I noticed was a obvious flat spot that looked to be the full width of the tire. IMO it looks like someone slammed on the brakes at some point causing the flat spot. No other place on the tire would lead me to thinnk anything else could cause this.

Passanger side rear:
Noticed the wheel does indeed have some curb rash. Very minnor compared to some I have seen before but once again there is indeed some rash. Besides the tire being bald there is also obvious scaring in the sidewall where you can see that it was curbed and there is a chunk loose as well. Its not completely torn off yet but very noticeable.

This is what I noticed.

thanks mike maybe this will help the opinion of all the people thinking im trying to get some wheels for free:eyes:

If you are unhappy with your purchase work out an agreement like adults, send them back and get a refund.

thanks mike maybe this will help the opinion of all the people thinking im trying to get some wheels for free:eyes:

How about this. Quit bitching. If you don't like the fucking wheels, send them back to him, get your money back, and get some other wheels. From what I have seen, FadedSS has done everything he can to oblige you. You're not happy with what you have, so send them back if it's that bad. Otherwise, forget about it.

I have worked for FED EX for 3 yrs,I have delivered alot of rims,tires,heads etc..The packages get handled by alot of people before they reach their destination.It is very possible that they were damaged during shipping.He did purchase insurance on the wheels,therfore you need to file a damage claim with FED EX.Here is my question for the person who bought the wheels,what was the condition of the boxes when they were delivered?

fuck everyone in here you all dont know shit espically powershift 408 i paid 625 for 4 rims and one tire so fuck you and fuck everyone who thinks im trying to scam someone

625 is a great price for those wheels stop being a jerk off you sound like a 12 year old. Those are c5 z06 wheels dammit!
I just sold some NON CHROME C5 y2K wheels with shitty mismatched tires and one wheel had rash other had scratches for 250 bucks and a set of zr1s with decent treaded 275/17's!! I was going to take 550 cash.
Y2k wheels are def not worth as much as z06's. You sir got a great deal stop crying.

Ok, so lets forget that you got a great deal to begin with. I mean why should we even think about that?

Here's why you're an asshole.

THE GUY INSURED THE WHEELS

He did all he could to make sure it'd get to you with no problems and all you want is a refund. A logical person would have gone the insurance route.

Why do you think it took more days for the 4th wheel to arrive? Maybe it fell off a truck somewhere? Maybe it got stuck in a machine, who knows. IT DOESN"T MATTER - he insured the rims, at least TRY using it.

Also - who the fuck cannot afford a good camera these days? Hell you can get a 3.2 mp camera for less than 50 bucks.

The fact that you have no posted pictures SCREAMS scammer to me. Here's an idea...got any friends or family? ONE of them has to have a camera, or just go buy one with your 75 dollar refund.

725 shipped for 4 rims without tires isn't that bad of a deal..... if he told you only one tire out of 4 was in good shape and you don't have the cash to buy 3 new tires I DONT KNOW WHY YOU EVEN BOUGHT THEM>

fuck everyone in here you all dont know shit espically powershift 408 i paid 625 for 4 rims and one tire so fuck you and fuck everyone who thinks im trying to scam someone

Especially me? If you knew shit, you would've bought a new set from OE wheels for $600 less tires. Good call on your part.

Regardless, when I'm not happy with something I buy, I return it. You getting on here complaining makes you look like an idiot.

Whether or not you handled the situation correctly, the way you're representing yourself on here is giving off the perception that you're in the wrong.

i gave up on this a while ago but im just gonna keep the rims and when i sell them ill put detailed pics up but i dont see what pics of this are gonna prove mike described what they looked like he said they were mint i already bought rear tires for them and now i need to go buy one front and to be honest i could give a fuck less about the wheels right now im in the middle of a rear end swap,intake install, and putting some heads on my car so looks are not as important

+my 120 postive trader rating isnt hurting over his 1 negative