Pontiac GTO 2004-2006 - 2004 GTO tuned vs. 2005 GTO stock

If I have a 2004 GTO full exhaust and tuned with 330rwhp, can it keep up with an all stock 2005 GTO?

Probably be close not sure what a stock 05 puts down but with 2 degrees of timing pulled I put down 340/341.

Yea it will keep up. I ran a friends 04 M6 who just got the IM and tb ported with a tune and from like 40-70 only put a car on 04.

yes, youll easily keep up.

should be able to, let us know, only one way to find out ;)

good question i just got my LT on and wanna race a 05-06 m6. when i was stock a ran a friends 05 auto from a 40 roll and put 2 cars on him. maybe ill ask him to do a dig.

drivers race on a "tuned" 04 vs stock 05

Roll race or dig? both A4 or M6, driver mod? Anything could happen.

Def driver mod race.

Def driver mod race.

x2
and just for the OP FYI i put down 350/350 stock on dynojet

Of course it can "keep up", it's not like the 05-06 has 100 more hp over the '04. It's only 50hp more and "keeping up" isn't that hard. A stock '04 can "keep up" with a stock '06.

should not be a problem for u.... should b close

Curious..how does a car with 330hp stay with the same car with 400 hp? My 99 Ta has 330hp with borla exhaust,3:73's and a tune. A4.. My bro has an 05 Vette with a 6spd..Should be a close race? I doubt it,The Vette would kill me..

I see a lot of posters insinuating that a tune is worth 50 hp, which should make it a drivers race.

Color me skeptical.

Curious..how does a car with 330hp stay with the same car with 400 hp? My 99 Ta has 330hp with borla exhaust,3:73's and a tune. A4.. My bro has an 05 Vette with a 6spd..Should be a close race? I doubt it,The Vette would kill me..

Well for one the 04 gto has 350hp to the crank, the 05 has 400hp to the crank.
50 hp diff isnt that much,so If the 04 is tuned Im sure it will keep up no problem against stock 05 depending on driver!

I see a lot of posters insinuating that a tune is worth 50 hp, which should make it a drivers race.

Color me skeptical.

LS2's uaually dyno around 330 at the rear wheels.

Headers+tune on the LS1 usually dynos around 330 at the rear wheels.



Doesn't sound that hard to understand. :confused:

LS2's uaually dyno around 330 at the rear wheels.
Headers+tune on the LS1 usually dynos around 330 at the rear wheels.
Doesn't sound that hard to understand. :confused:

I see a lot of posters insinuating that a tune is worth 50 hp, which should make it a drivers race.
Color me skeptical.

No, it's not really hard to understand which is why I put my post below yours. Note I stated "..I see a lot of posters insinuating that a tune is worth 50 hp ......" Nowhere did I mention headers and a tune. I can buy a 2004 with headers and tune running even with a 2005-2006, but I am still skeptical about a 2004 with a tune only running even with a 2005-2006.

Curious..how does a car with 330hp stay with the same car with 400 hp? My 99 Ta has 330hp with borla exhaust,3:73's and a tune. A4.. My bro has an 05 Vette with a 6spd..Should be a close race? I doubt it,The Vette would kill me..

The 330 hp rating is incorrect but past that, you're comparing a heavier car equipped with a poorly geared trans to a lighter car that has much closer gears. Even if the vette and the Ta had exactly same dyno numbers the vette would still pull IMO.

When I was bone stock me and my boys 06 where neck in neck all the time... When we both did LT's and Tunes We would go back and forth... Now that we both have cams ect, I beat him all the time hahaha... You should take him...

Curious..how does a car with 330hp stay with the same car with 400 hp? My 99 Ta has 330hp with borla exhaust,3:73's and a tune. A4.. My bro has an 05 Vette with a 6spd..Should be a close race? I doubt it,The Vette would kill me..

LMFAO, Dude you are a member of this forum and you actually asked a question that dumb hahaha FAIL... Anytime someone talks about HP its always WHP....

LS2's uaually dyno around 330 at the rear wheels.

Headers+tune on the LS1 usually dynos around 330 at the rear wheels.



Doesn't sound that hard to understand. :confused:

Not true... I put down 329/342 bone stock... and 351/363 with LT's and tune... With just a mild cam swap I make 412/391.... All at Modern Muscle...

I said usually. ;)
People tend to play the 04 card a lot around here I've found out. I was reading in another thread and some guy ran 12.8 with a tune and DR's. (04) I don't know if that's true but going off of that, I'd say it's a drivers race. I'm still bone stock so I can't comment first hand.

People tend to play the 04 card a lot around here I've found out.
Very good point.

There is or was a different attitude between the 04 and 05/06 on ls1gto.com.

Not true... I put down 329/342 bone stock... and 351/363 with LT's and tune... With just a mild cam swap I make 412/391.... All at Modern Muscle...

I also was around 330 with LTs and a tune. Which is typical. IMO someones got thier thumb on that scale ... bet your track numbers are more typical of other 04s

I also was around 330 with LTs and a tune. Which is typical. IMO someones got thier thumb on that scale ... bet your track numbers are more typical of other 04sVery true. Best stock numbers I saw was GTWhoa's car. He ran 13.1 with his stocker and it put down 307/320.

I didn't have mine on a dyno when it was stock but I'd figure I was around there since I could mph more than he could.

I put Dynatech headers/cats and Speed Inc CAI and ran 12.9. Swapped in a GT2-3, SLP pulley, tune and ran 12.5. Dyno'd 368/360 at that time. Swapped LS6 heads and ran 12.3 with 393/380. Now I'm around 425rwhp and shooting for 11's.

And no LS2 parts for me...

I also was around 330 with LTs and a tune. Which is typical. IMO someones got thier thumb on that scale ... bet your track numbers are more typical of other 04s

12.164 @ 115.93 1.8 60' Stock clutch, Cam only!!!

Shit 6.0 gtos can get down.. I race a cammed one with drag radials and he kept launching on me by 2 cars but i would catch him on 3rd.. Everybody talk about them being so heavy but they get down..

Not true... I put down 329/342 bone stock... and 351/363 with LT's and tune... With just a mild cam swap I make 412/391.... All at Modern Muscle...

12.164 @ 115.93 1.8 60' Stock clutch, Cam only!!!

breze, just exactly what are your mods and your PB? It looks like you have long tubes, tune, some exhaust work, udp, and a tune to get you to 12.164 @ 115.93.

your sig. shows
"04 GTO W40 Pulse Red M6
* TSP228R 112lsa, SLP UD Pulley
* Pacesetter LT's, O/R Mids, Ported TB, CAI
* 06 Bumper Swap, SLP LM1's, Magnaflow X-Pipe"

Is this about right? Your car is an LS1, correct?

breze, just exactly what are your mods and your PB? It looks like you have long tubes, tune, some exhaust work, udp, and a tune to get you to 12.164 @ 115.93.

your sig. shows
"04 GTO W40 Pulse Red M6
* TSP228R 112lsa, SLP UD Pulley
* Pacesetter LT's, O/R Mids, Ported TB, CAI
* 06 Bumper Swap, SLP LM1's, Magnaflow X-Pipe"

Is this about right? Your car is an LS1, correct?

04 GTO M6
PAC dual 650 springs
Chromoly Rods
228/228 .588 .588 112 lsa cam
Ported TB
Pacesetter Longtubes No cats
Magnaflow X with 2.5in Spintech exhaust...
85MM MAF
275/40/17 TOYO DR's...

Those are the bulk of the mods that got me to a 12.1, Pre Cam I ran 12.7 if I can remember.... My motor is basically a LS6 engine, All 04 GTO's came with LS6 blocks minus a tad larger cam and 243 heads... Im still rocking 241 heads from a LS1 but everything else is basically a LS6 with exception of a way larger cam than the Factory LS6...

04 GTO M6
PAC dual 650 springs
Chromoly Rods
228/228 .588 .588 112 lsa cam
Ported TB
Pacesetter Longtubes No cats
Magnaflow X with 2.5in Spintech exhaust...
85MM MAF
275/40/17 TOYO DR's...

Those are the bulk of the mods that got me to a 12.1, Pre Cam I ran 12.7 if I can remember.... My motor is basically a LS6 engine, All 04 GTO's came with LS6 blocks minus a tad larger cam and 243 heads... Im still rocking 241 heads from a LS1 but everything else is basically a LS6 with exception of a way larger cam than the Factory LS6...

When I was bone stock me and my boys 06 where neck in neck all the time... When we both did LT's and Tunes We would go back and forth... Now that we both have cams ect, I beat him all the time hahaha... You should take him...

Not true... I put down 329/342 bone stock... and 351/363 with LT's and tune... With just a mild cam swap I make 412/391.... All at Modern Muscle...

12.164 @ 115.93 1.8 60' Stock clutch, Cam only!!!

OK, so with all your mods you are at about 412 rwhp and your PB is 12.164 @ 115.93, this is correct?

My point is that mod for mod the LS2 is better than some of you are posting that it is. My PB with mods in my signature is 12.126 @ 110.56, and this is done without a cam and at 375 rwhp on a dynojet. Of course I had a 3200 vig. converter that helped out a bunch.

The LS2 is stronger than some of you are indicating.

Again, I will make my point. The 2004 LS1 with full exhaust of headers and catback and a tune should keep up with the LS2. I have stated in previous threads that a tuned LS1 would not keep up with a LS2, and I stand by my statements.

Of course this is all subjective to conditions of the weather and the track and whether or not a driver mod is needed.

OK, so with all your mods you are at about 412 rwhp and your PB is 12.164 @ 115.93, this is correct?

My point is that mod for mod the LS2 is better than some of you are posting that it is. My PB with mods in my signature is 12.126 @ 110.56, and this is done without a cam and at 375 rwhp on a dynojet. Of course I had a 3200 vig. converter that helped out a bunch.

The LS2 is stronger than some of you are indicating.

Again, I will make my point. The 2004 LS1 with full exhaust of headers and catback and a tune should keep up with the LS2. I have stated in previous threads that a tuned LS1 would not keep up with a LS2, and I stand by my statements.

Of course this is all subjective to conditions of the weather and the track and whether or not a driver mod is needed.


Im running a 2000+DA with a slipping clutch... A A4 is going to be a tad better at the track with your stall not including you have a 6.0 i have a 5.7, you have a 92mm intake and TB i have a 76 you have larger 243 heads I have 241's but yet with just a mild cam I make almost 40whp more than you... I also trap anywhere from 5 to 6 mph higher than you, In a roll race their would be no comparison between are 2 cars... I find it hard to believe that you run almost a high 11 with no cam in a 3800 lb car with just a stall and your mods... My buddy with a V2 cam 3600 stall, LT's Tune ect in his 06 GTO runs Identical times as me sooooo your obvioulsy running at a Track with a -DA... People dont take into consideration that DA plays a big factor in times... I bet at your track id probably run a 11.7 with a decent launch.... IMO A 04 GTO vs a 05/06 GTO is always a drivers race... 50 crank hp is not a huge difference... I know this from experience, Like I said I ran a 13.2 @ 107 stock which is better than a shit load of 05/06 GTO's have done stock... Both are fast cars end of story...

04 gto keep up?? Don't know your defintion of keeping up. But 04 gtos run a low 14 sec 1/4 as a 6.0 gto run a 13 flat. Maybe keep up until topend. Lol and 50 hp is a good diffrence. 6.0 gtos well run with a f body stock for stock a 2004 wouldn't unless it has bolt ons. Gtos can get down but thier heavy they need that 6.0. As for comparing the vette 6.0 to the gtos 6.0 lol the vette is a whole other car and dynos even higher than the gto and it's lighter so it's not the same. Cam the 04 gto than the 6.0 wont have a chance lol

04 gto keep up?? Don't know your defintion of keeping up. But 04 gtos run a low 14 sec 1/4 as a 6.0 gto run a 13 flat.That is why this keeps on going. People are clueless of the facts as stated right there.

hey guys my cousins gto went to sac race way. the best time was a 12.9 @ 110 with a 1.96 foot. Yea weve been battling it out between his GTO and my Camaro. we both hit the same thing at the track except i havnt dont anything to my shit. both cars were on nitto extreme drags at 20psi. i got some videos of two runs but there a little slower, but later on that night with some seat time we hit the 12.9........
this is the first run we hit 13.3 at 109
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9D1NuKZ5U

Ls1 gto keep up with ls2 gto. 350 to 400. Mmm??? Lol

Ls1 gto keep up with ls2 gto. 350 to 400. Mmm??? Lol

I take it you didn't read this thread at all before posting.

04 gto keep up?? Don't know your defintion of keeping up. But 04 gtos run a low 14 sec 1/4 as a 6.0 gto run a 13 flat. Maybe keep up until topend. Lol and 50 hp is a good diffrence. 6.0 gtos well run with a f body stock for stock a 2004 wouldn't unless it has bolt ons. Gtos can get down but thier heavy they need that 6.0. As for comparing the vette 6.0 to the gtos 6.0 lol the vette is a whole other car and dynos even higher than the gto and it's lighter so it's not the same. Cam the 04 gto than the 6.0 wont have a chance lol

Ahahahaha, I love all the noobs who think they know what they are talking about hahahahaha

OK, so with all your mods you are at about 412 rwhp and your PB is 12.164 @ 115.93, this is correct?

My point is that mod for mod the LS2 is better than some of you are posting that it is. My PB with mods in my signature is 12.126 @ 110.56, and this is done without a cam and at 375 rwhp on a dynojet. Of course I had a 3200 vig. converter that helped out a bunch.

The LS2 is stronger than some of you are indicating.

Again, I will make my point. The 2004 LS1 with full exhaust of headers and catback and a tune should keep up with the LS2. I have stated in previous threads that a tuned LS1 would not keep up with a LS2, and I stand by my statements.

Of course this is all subjective to conditions of the weather and the track and whether or not a driver mod is needed.


I agree.

A stock LS1 Goat vs. a stock LS2 Goat is really like a stock LT1 F-body vs. a stock LS1 F-body. The LS1 F-body will win 9 out of 10 times until you get a bad running LS1, a bad driver in the LS or great driver in the LT etc.

With only a CAI and tune my '06 Auto went 12.7 at 108 in +DA, full weight. With a a good launch, 3600 stall and full exhaust I think it's fair to say that 11.9-12.0's aren't out of question in good DA. No '04 with the same mods and weight is going to pull that. Mod for mod the LS2 is and always will be better hands down.

I dunno why but so many LS1 Goat owners have that same damn mentality. Maybe they're just mad they got a boring hood, ugly two on the left exhaust and less power. :) From what I've seen cam-only LS1 Goats run the same times as cam-only LT1 F-bodies, nothing to be proud of there. Anyways the difference isn't much between the two but the 243 heads and '01 LS6 cam are enough to make an LS1 need LT's and a tune to hang, given equal conditions.

I agree.

A stock LS1 Goat vs. a stock LS2 Goat is really like a stock LT1 F-body vs. a stock LS1 F-body. The LS1 F-body will win 9 out of 10 times until you get a bad running LS1, a bad driver in the LS or great driver in the LT etc.

With only a CAI and tune my '06 Auto went 12.7 at 108 in +DA, full weight. With a a good launch, 3600 stall and full exhaust I think it's fair to say that 11.9-12.0's aren't out of question in good DA. No '04 with the same mods and weight is going to pull that. Mod for mod the LS2 is and always will be better hands down.

I dunno why but so many LS1 Goat owners have that same damn mentality. Maybe they're just mad they got a boring hood, ugly two on the left exhaust and less power. :) From what I've seen cam-only LS1 Goats run the same times as cam-only LT1 F-bodies, nothing to be proud of there. Anyways the difference isn't much between the two but the 243 heads and '01 LS6 cam are enough to make an LS1 need LT's and a tune to hang, given equal conditions.

Wrongo. Stock for stock they're within .3-.5 of each other on the 1/4 mile. I had a CAI and a catback untuned and ran better times then most 06 GTO's on the board in my area. It all depends on the driving and the area IMO. LS1 goats stock run better then almost every LT1 car I've ever seen in the STL area.

Wrongo. Stock for stock they're within .3-.5 of each other on the 1/4 mile. I had a CAI and a catback untuned and ran better times then most 06 GTO's on the board in my area. It all depends on the driving and the area IMO. LS1 goats stock run better then almost every LT1 car I've ever seen in the STL area.

This.

In terms of power H/C/I LS1's vs. H/C/I LS2's are virtually identical.

LS2 GTO's can stop though :)

Good thing the upgrade to 05-06 brakes is almost just as cheap as buying new stuff for the 05/06, lol.

Wrongo. Stock for stock they're within .3-.5 of each other on the 1/4 mile. I had a CAI and a catback untuned and ran better times then most 06 GTO's on the board in my area. It all depends on the driving and the area IMO. LS1 goats stock run better then almost every LT1 car I've ever seen in the STL area.

Your typical LS1 F-body runs like a 13.3-13.5 stock from what I've seen. Typical LT's do a 13.9+. The gap isn't as close as the LS1/LS2 Goat but it's the same idea, which was what I was trying to point out. I do agree, from what I've seen on the fastest North East GTO list, the two are on average about .3-.4 apart all the up to cam-only until you do heads/cam to either which obviously levels the playing field.

Curious..how does a car with 330hp stay with the same car with 400 hp? My 99 Ta has 330hp with borla exhaust,3:73's and a tune. A4.. My bro has an 05 Vette with a 6spd..Should be a close race? I doubt it,The Vette would kill me..


This is an odd statement, you are reffering to one car with 330whp and one car with 400 CHP
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Completley different story, and it would be a drivers race for sure.

This whole thread is subjective with many variables. I made my point earlier, but I also got to thinking. I can just imagine a thread of this type on the G8 boards, which is faster between a tuned G8 GT and a stock G8 GXP. Where the LS2 has the LS1 by 50 hp (GTO), the GXP has the GT by 54 hp. I still say it takes more than a tune to get the lesser hp car to the higher hp cars level.

Yeah I did so stop replying to me everytime I post somthing it's only you... Sorry that an 04 gto are heavy and a ls1 350 hp can't push it's fat ass stock or even tuned. Needs the ls2 and that is = to a stock f body but a ls1 gto better off racing a lt1. So sorry guy

Tune the ls1 gto and wieght reduction than you can keep up. But just cam the ls1 or put at least bolt ons. A tune does not help that much unless you got suporting mods or your car comes factory with a s/c or turbo. Ls1 goats don't even trap over a 100 1/4!!!

Yeah I did so stop replying to me everytime I post somthing it's only you... Sorry that an 04 gto are heavy and a ls1 350 hp can't push it's fat ass stock or even tuned. Needs the ls2 and that is = to a stock f body but a ls1 gto better off racing a lt1. So sorry guySorry guy...you are way off base.

Tune the ls1 gto and wieght reduction than you can keep up. But just cam the ls1 or put at least bolt ons. A tune does not help that much unless you got suporting mods or your car comes factory with a s/c or turbo. Ls1 goats don't even trap over a 100 1/4!!!That's funny. Mine was trapping 105 when it was stock. Good enough for 13.2.

So keep talking....

Stock ls1 gto run low 13s ok suuurrrrrreeeeeee whatever you say... So how can your car run what a ls1 f body runs stock on a heavier car. Never seen a stock o4 goat break 14s

I think that LS1 GTO can be a mid 13 second car at best, but this is BONE STOCK.

If a ls1 gto is a low 13 sec car than damn I wonder what the 6.0 will do probly run same 1/4 mile time ass the 6.0 vette..lol I guess it dosnt mater the vette is lighter.. Sounds off right. Ls1 gto don't move like an f body they really don't. I would kill a ls1 gto when my car was stock. And always had trouble with the 6.0 just depends on the driver. But a ls1 gto stock run what a f body does I don't buy it... It like I was saying than the 6.0 gto will run same 1/4 time as the vette 6.0

As I posted a 04 gto can't keep up with a 6.0. But like you claim you said it runs low 13s so than your saying stock for stock it will be right thier 1/4 mile with a ls2 goat lol compare rwhp to the wieght of the car Jimbo. Lol it's not hard so I am on the subject. 6.0 gto run low 13s yes I can buy that 04 gto lol uhhhhh not maybe if lucky break a 13 not go 13.2 lol work on your own ls1 than that will impress me. Get a good launch with IRS lol

Stock ls1 gto run low 13s ok suuurrrrrreeeeeee whatever you say... So how can your car run what a ls1 f body runs stock on a heavier car. Never seen a stock o4 goat break 14sDoesn't matter what I say, others have done better than me. It took 4 trips to the track to figure out how to launch. Nowhere as easy as an F-Body.

The GTO has something the F-Body doesn't, better gearing in the trans. That helps in the weight department. The GTO is geared like a 3.90 F-Body except for 4th. Only talking M6 cars. LS1 A4 GTO's will ran .4+ second slower than a M6.

The LS2 is quicker than a LS1, stock vs. stock. At least .25. This thread is about a tuned LS1 vs a stock LS2. The stock programming in the LS1 GTO is crap and will gain that. More if you have an A4 because they are even worse.

So learn before you post. Do some research and you'll find out what they can do. You'll come off as actually being a little smarter :chug:

I think that LS1 GTO can be a mid 13 second car at best, but this is BONE STOCK.
A4 GTO's. Not M6 GTO's. Proven by quite a few people that a M6 GTO can run low-mid 13's. Best A4 car I've seen was 13.6. Most ran 13.8. Best M6 I've seen was 13.1.

Those are with my own eyes not some internet crap on Tech.

Lol you are the one thinking you saw a ls1 goat run a low 13.1 stock with your own eyes get your facts straight no way a ls1 gto is transmission is geared like 390 f body. I'm the idiot ???? But than again I'm dealing with fuckin goat owners thinking thier car can beat a modded f body. No m6 goat runs a 13 flat or close to it without modds so get over it fuckin almost 4000 pound sports car but you make it seem like it's so fast when it's not. Lol no topend. Mad because you all paid to much for your goat lol!!! I rather get a cobra than a overprice overrated fat ass goat.. Lol

Lol you are the one thinking you saw a ls1 goat run a low 13.1 stock with your own eyes get your facts sraight no way a ls1 gto is transmission is geared like 390 f body. I'm the idiot ???? But than again I'm segueing with fuckin goat owners thinking thier car can beat a modded f body. No m6 goat runs a 13 flat or close to it without modds so get over it fuckin almost 4000 pound sports car but you make it seem like it's so fast when it's not. Lol no topend.No way its geared like a 3.90 F-Body. Look up the gear ratio of each T56 and then you'll actually know something.

Dude, just because you can't drive or except the fact that a GTO can run low 13's bone stock, I don't know what to tell you.

No topend, OK :bang:

OK enough, stop the name calling. I am going to delete the BS threads.

Either settle down or your going to get an infraction.

Robin

OK enough, stop the name calling. I am going to delete the BS threads.

Either settle down or your going to get an infraction.

Robin

So you delete my posts but leave Theblacknightls1's bullshit in? :lol:

I'd like to read these threads like an adult and could do without the trouble maker/devil's advocate bashing a good thread.

:gtfo::gtfo:First off jimbo called me an idiot just because I don't believe a gto ls1 runs low 13s. Not trying to Argue with other gm owners just know what I seen. Prove me wrong go to track and hit a 13 flat in a stock ls1 gto. Record it!!! Bet everybody... telling me Things won't hit a low 13.. Than well say well it's been done before. If you say your goat runs a low 13 than run a low 13 in it. If not don't claim what it can do if you can't do it. Yes I love threads like this to because people claim what they have never done themselves. I don't need to respond to this thread anymore because I got pass the 13 sec 1/4 along time ago and really don't care much of a gto.

I ran my times back in '04 when it was stock. Me and my buddy(GTWhoa) were trying to see how far we could get down with a stock GTO. My very first pass was a wheel hopping 13.6. Steve ran a 13.5 with his. I matched that and then he ran 13.4. I got him with a 13.3 next time out. He and I both went to the track and he hit a 13.1 and I hit 13.2. My mph was 105 and his was 104. He got his short time down to 1.88. I couldn't do any better than 1.93 on the stock tires.

By the time I ran that time, I had 1K miles on the car. I then put Dynatech long tubes with cats and a Speed Inc CAI and went 12.9 but on a crappy 2.0 because the stock tires couldn't handle anymore than a idle launch any more.

Kind of hard to record it 6 years after the fact, so don't have it other than timeslips. There is a video floating around of the day I went 12.9 though, think it was a 13.0 run though.

As far as gearing, here's a little more on that. About the same as a 3.90 geared F-Body

GTO T56
2.97:1 2.07:1 1.43:1 1.00:1 0.84:1 0.57:1 3.46 rear

F-Body T56
2.66:1 1.78:1 1.30:1 1.00:1 0.74:1 0.50:1 3.42 rear

GTO w/3.46 gears
10.2762
7.1622
4.9478
3.46
2.9064
1.9722

F-Body w/3.90 gears
10.374
6.942
5.07
3.90
2.886
1.95

Rob, I'm about as skeptical as I can be with your low 13's in an LS1.

Did you post any of this on LS1 GTO? I saw several 2004 bone stock GTO's run high 13's to low 14's. I was very active with the Houston Goat Herd, especially when we made trips to Houston Raceway Park, so I saw many GTO's race. I also go by old_goat on LS1GTO.com.

I also ran my Vette at Gulfport and this track wasn't nearly as good as HRP, as my times were off about .3 from HRP, under the same weather conditions. I am not sure if Gulfport is your home track.

The point being that there were very few LS2 turning bone stock <13.1, much less a LS1 with 50 hp less turning the same times. It is a good assumption on that site that the auto's slightly quicker in the quarter than the manuals were.

Yep, I posted back then. Go by Rob, just like here. Maybe our Maryland tracks are that much better than anyone elses? I ran at MIR, Capitol, Cecil, Mason-Dixon and 75-80 back then. MIR is my favorite track and got my best there when I was stock. 75-80 was where I made my very first pass and I knew I had something going with that 13.6 because that track is always .2 slower with every car I ran there.

I haven't run my car since Oct '06 when it still had the GT2-3 and ran 12.3 at Capitol. I'm hoping to hit Gulfport one of these days since my last run was 2 cams ago.

The A4 GTO's were almost .5 second slower than M6 GTO's in '04. The A4 cars fell flat on their face because torque management was terrible, way too aggressive. That was the case up there at every track day. At least that's what I saw. A tune saw great gains in a A4 LS1 GTO. The LS2 GTO's don't have that difference and the A4 cars are usually just as quick, if not quicker, than the M6 cars.

yea i don't really think a stock m6 or a4 gto can do 13 flat or even low 13's without having a got dam good 60'. sorry for not having the 12.9 second run of the gto but it did do it but it also has full exhaust with a dyno tune. once again it dynoes at 330 rwhp. all my cousin wanted to know was if his bolt on gto can hang with a STOCK 6.0 GTO. I've always thought he could, in my personal opinion i dont think the 6.0's are really that much faster then a 5.7 goat.
you guys probably seen them already but heres a video of me and my buddies gto except this one is an a4, and yes both cars are bone stock except mine is a m6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhJnbUtrKVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXcCFk36bI

Gto don't run a 13.1 like I said. That means they will be right their with the ls3 camaro when it's best time was a 12.95 and usually runs low 13s stock. How can a ls1 gto run with the new SS not even being a 6.0 . Just dosnt add up. it Really dosnt add up when you compare weight and hp of both car. Ls3 SS camaro 422hp and weights 3840 vs Ls1 gto 350hp and weights 3750 How can the gto keep up with the new SS camaro when it's 72hp less and only 90pounds lighter?????

Being a 2004 GTO m6 owner, it took full exhaust, tune and sticky tires to run a 12.8-13.1. The answer is no, it can't run that stock but it still didn't take much just to make it run that time. Just because a new camaro would have the same quarter mile time doesn't mean we can go heads up. At the end of the quarter mile the camaro is always going to have the higher mph which is top end. It also depends on your launch and 60, launching at 4k rpm and sticky tires really help. Which I believe the new camaro did it on stock tires and I'm sure it won't hold a 4k launch.

Lol nice SS in the video looks like mine when it was stock. Wow you f body must run 12a flat stock because you beat the ls1 gto bad and they run low 13s lol jk. That's how it look when I ran gto ls1 also the 6.0 don't beat the SS all the time depends on the driver of both 6.0 and 5.7 because when my camaro would get the jump that 6.0 never came up. Nice runs!!!

yea thanks for the compliment. i still want to race a 6.0 gto before i start modding. i just wanna put it on video

My car '05 (bright red far lane) only mods are shorty headers and a tune--my buddies car '06 (all stock except for a Predator tune).
My time 12.59 @ 110
His time 13.05 @ 105

Thats right--fear the LS2 Goat. Have you seen many LS1 F-bodies running mid 12's with just those mods??

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=-tNC-1xi2AE

Never seen a stock o4 goat break 14s

Probably because they didn't know what they were doing, especially with M6s. Stock A4s running high 13s/low 14s however sounds right.

I ran late 12s with tires long tube headers and a street tune. But the ls2 gto makes good power and has a bit more ci (364). F bodys are just lighter with the ls1 makes a good combo. Of course moding any ls motor you can run bad ass times even in a gto. Ls1 run with anything if it's oldschool or just a mean termi. It's just a bad ass motor that's why ford owners still compare all thier new ford cars or motor still to the old ls1.. Still got ls2 ls3 and ect.

Tune the ls1 gto and wieght reduction than you can keep up. But just cam the ls1 or put at least bolt ons. A tune does not help that much unless you got suporting mods or your car comes factory with a s/c or turbo. Ls1 goats don't even trap over a 100 1/4!!!

Stock ls1 gto run low 13s ok suuurrrrrreeeeeee whatever you say... So how can your car run what a ls1 f body runs stock on a heavier car. Never seen a stock o4 goat break 14s

Yeah I did so stop replying to me everytime I post somthing it's only you... Sorry that an 04 gto are heavy and a ls1 350 hp can't push it's fat ass stock or even tuned. Needs the ls2 and that is = to a stock f body but a ls1 gto better off racing a lt1. So sorry guy

AHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA:gtfo:

Lol you are the one thinking you saw a ls1 goat run a low 13.1 stock with your own eyes get your facts straight no way a ls1 gto is transmission is geared like 390 f body. I'm the idiot ???? But than again I'm dealing with fuckin goat owners thinking thier car can beat a modded f body. No m6 goat runs a 13 flat or close to it without modds so get over it fuckin almost 4000 pound sports car but you make it seem like it's so fast when it's not. Lol no topend. Mad because you all paid to much for your goat lol!!! I rather get a cobra than a overprice overrated fat ass goat.. Lol

Well I ran a 13.2 bone stock "M6" Soooooo I guess the clocks where busted or something cause you say it cant happen lmao

Well I ran a 13.2 bone stock "M6" Soooooo I guess the clocks where busted or something cause you say it cant happen lmao

What track do you go to?

Sure you did.. I can prove you the diffrence between a fbody and a gto where do you stay around breze 84 I bet my camaro would put 4 cars on you and still be pulling. Lol your gto should be crazy fast if you ran a 13.2 stock and now you have mods lol. We can meet and race for money.

Sure you did.. I can prove you the diffrence between a fbody and a gto where do you stay around breze 84 I bet my camaro would put 4 cars on you and still be pulling. Lol your gto should be crazy fast if you ran a 13.2 stock and now you have mods lol. We can meet and race for money.

Wrong thread dude. You keep bringing up the same bullshit. Your camaro vs gto. Post your bullshit here.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-gto-2004-2006/934379-gto-vs-f-bodies.html

Sure you did.. I can prove you the diffrence between a fbody and a gto where do you stay around breze 84 I bet my camaro would put 4 cars on you and still be pulling. Lol your gto should be crazy fast if you ran a 13.2 stock and now you have mods lol. We can meet and race for money.I guess when I ran my 13.2 all the F-Body's that were there, they didn't see me run that ET? Funny, because it was an EFA event that day and it was nothing but F-Body's. There were only 3 GTO's there that day. 2 of us were stock, 1 was shooting for the 11's.

Plenty of people saw this. 11/14/04 was the day and MIR was the track.

i like gtos

what track do you go to?

gld...

Sure you did.. I can prove you the diffrence between a fbody and a gto where do you stay around breze 84 I bet my camaro would put 4 cars on you and still be pulling. Lol your gto should be crazy fast if you ran a 13.2 stock and now you have mods lol. We can meet and race for money.

LMAO... Your a Joke dude... 1000 bucks you wont hahaha... Come to Chicago with all that shit talking and you'll be going back to the lone star broke as shit... TRUST ME ON THAT ONE... Your fucking worse than the ricers guy hahaha

Well this was a good thread behaving badly. Basically, non-GTO owners knowing more than GTO owners compounded by LS2 owners knowing more than LS1 owners. I would never comment as an expert on the capabilities of a vehicle I do not own.(F-body, Corvette, even LS2 powered cars) I can mentioned what I have seen. But any one with a bit of knowledge knows times have equal parts track, launch, and drivetrain.

The rest is just upmanship.

To the doubters, whether GTO owners or not...Rob is a respectable member of the GTO scene since 2004 and his stuff is documented plus owners who have not posted whose 1/4 miles times were similar. It is not an anomaly but not typical either. (Sorry Breve, do not know you.) Some of us have been owners since 2004 so we could be considered to know more than recent buyers and especially non-owners.

Even MMFF and GMHT achieved 13.46 with a stock 04 on a 2.2 60' on a rather warm day.

For the record..I went 13.90 and worked down to 13.30 at 104.xx after six months. Mph was always in the 104/105 range. Vehicle weight with 2-3 gallons of fuel = 3725lbs + me 165lbs clothed

To answer the OP question. My opinon tune only 04 is about 316rwhp. LS2 from a low of 318hp to high of 355hp with 340being average based on posted dyno sheets over the years. Computer pulls much timing when engine is hot. Could be a close race. Many factors.

Just saw post above by Eduardo if a bolt-on 04 GTO can hold a stock 05/06? If LTs and tune are included then yes. This has been shown over the years at the dedicated GTO forums. 04 LS1 + Lts + Tune = stock LS2 times.

Tune the ls1 gto and wieght reduction than you can keep up. But just cam the ls1 or put at least bolt ons. A tune does not help that much unless you got suporting mods or your car comes factory with a s/c or turbo. Ls1 goats don't even trap over a 100 1/4!!!

Um.....I went 13.6@ 104 on a shitty day going to the track the first week I had it. You're out of touch with reality.

felix is about right, an ls1 gto with LT's and tuned do about the same quarter mile time with 05/06 GTO. The gto's were rated at high 12's low 13's and my 04 gto with LT's and tuned is around that time. Is that other guy serious? GTO's don't trap over a 100 in a 1/4.. I love my f-body more than my gto. But seriously mann be realistic that's ridiculous....

Not gonna lie.....the SS was fun to have, but it is not anywhere near the car the GTO is. Fbody was not for me, lol....I don't even miss the thing.

well mr Agustin vevel, i dont know about your little GTSLOW but i got my stuff already and am about to go to the shop and put them on TODAY, and i have a little something something for you. that 75 shot isnt going to be good enough to run with me. You better up that shot.

Breaze ill bet you a 1000 bucks where do you want to meet lol with your mods it will be easylol. Funny that your running a 228r cam texas speed 588 lift and you think your car is fast lol. When my friend ws6 is running the prc 2.5 5.3 heads with same cam dynoed 432 rwhp both of us are heads up when we race or depends who shifts quicker takes it. Lol but you know your car is heavier too lol. Oh i forgot you ran a 13.1 stock (wow faster than a f body stock) lol Ls1 gto is NOT FASTER THAN A F BODY!!!!! F BODY IS A LIGHTER CAR WITH A LS1 IN IT TOO.. HOW CAN IT BE FASTER!!??!?!?!!!!! You keep trying to tell me about a 04 gto running a low 13 lol your wasteing your time dude im not going to believe you. As for jimbo, mod your goat or any ls1 than type to me!! Everybody here been off the subject "GET OVER IT OR FIX IT"!!! Summerwolf thats how i feel about the goat. looks to much like a cavi if you ask me and i wouldnt even want one. I rather go back to a mustang if you ask me. 03 cobra beats the 6.0 gto in the 1/4 390hp vs 400hp 03 cobra is even heavier and yes underrated. But now i hear the 04 gto 350hp (heavier car) beats the lighter f body 345hp... Running a 13.1 (gto)??? vs fbody 13.3(SS camaro) Lighter car without IRS. NOW On the subject need a bit more to hang with the 6.0 gto uless he cant drive. If you cant drive than it dont mater what Car and Driver said bro what it could or should do dude!!! "Its not how you stand by your car its how you race your car". lol and thats the truth". Words of a wise man "Power to weight ratio" ;) Oh and breaze i can beat a cammed 05 gto lol But your ls1 cammed 04 gto is faster??? OHHHHh i forgot..

Gearing helps offset the weight issue. Something you can't seem to grasp. The fastest F-Body will beat the fastest LS1 GTO, nobody is saying anything different. I drove my buddy's, then new, 98 WS6 to a 13.3 and was never in the car before. I know it would have run 13.0 after a couple of more runs. That was bone stock. Another buddy of mine had a 01 WS6 and he ran 13.0 bone stock in his. We swapped my old drag radials to his car and he went 12.7.

Point is, LS1 GTO's were/are capable of bottom 13's stock. All depends on the launch, shifting, track prep, weather, etc. Sub 2.0 short time and you are 13.1-13.3. 2.0+ short time and you are 13.4+.

blacknight....

I laugh everytime you post. You're bringing up cobra mustangs now too? Point is the GTO came with higher numerical rear end gears and a better geared transmission then an Fbody which helps it turn the 1/4 mile times they do. A lot of people never figured out the IRS launches which is partially the reason (unfortunately) a lot of people have low 1/4 mile times.

Also you bring up Fast and the Furious quotes, AND you're betting money you don't have with a sig line saying you have a VERY mild build on what is most likely a high mileage 00 SS.

Thumb up, thumbs up indeed.

Dam. I like you blackls1night.

Im not going to repeat myself but if you look at my previous comments we seem to be in agreement about almost everything.

Dam isn't anyone from California on this forum. People are always calling people out but they are usually states away from one another.

Lol a mild build lol full race port heads polished with lighter valves and mil to bump compression to 10:5:1. With a good size cam that can rev close to 7000 rpms
but ok what ever you say it's called a budget build and yes my SS hit 74,000 miles today so I guess now it runs like shit. First off ls1 heads flow good stock already that's why Texas speed and other aftermarket companies just improve flow on stock casting gm heads. Why spend 2000 on afrs. I have a friend selling me 150 shot of nitrouse off his 2002 SS. I bought 410 gears for my car but never install them yet. So I think it's going to run good.. If I was you I would just sell my gto and get a 6.0 not a big diffrent on price. 6.0 has more potential for your heavier car. If you was telling me that you have drag radials than maybe I can buy it with right track conditions a mid to a low 13 but not on stock tires. Stock means stock!! My friends auto 6.0 gto spins the tires even from a slow roll and thier the factory tires that should be on the car. Summerwolf you have a 2004 gto and you post stuff like if your car is fast lol I think yours is more mild than mine..lol.. I hope you know my f body has more potential than your car. So get over it. Look 04 gto owners... You haveing a 04 gto is like buying a 2010 mustang gt brand new than a year later the 2011 mustang gt comes out so yeah if I was you I'll be pist off too. Not a big price diffrence between both cars just sell your unmodded ls1 gto that runs a 13.1 and get a 6.0. Than you really can run low 13s stock lol

"06 6.0 gto " yup peeps think just because it's a ls1 that it runs low 13s.. But never done it. Lol but you got the 6.0 like a smart guy shoud if they buy a gto.

"06 6.0 gto " yup peeps think just because it's a ls1 that it runs low 13s.. But never done it. Lol but you got the 6.0 like a smart guy shoud if they buy a gto.You are an idiot, plain and simple. You don't like facts. You just have this retarded attitude that because you can't drive, everybody can't drive.

Guess what, some of us can drive and can run the number. Get over it.

Why are you even in this thread? This is about a tuned '04 vs a stock '05/'06. Something you have no clue about. Go about your business in your "super fast" Camaro.

This thread needs to be locked....

blacknight I've said it but I'll say it again. You cease to amaze me. Post after post I laugh my ass off trying to read your bullshit and piece together your grammar.

I know this isn't school but jesus christ, how do you fuck up their.

http://www.engrish.com/


Love the F&F quote btw.

This thread needs to be locked....

Couldn't agree more. :barf:

Lol a mild build lol full race port heads polished with lighter valves and mil to bump compression to 10:5:1. With a good size cam that can rev close to 7000 rpms MILD BUILD
but ok what ever you say it's called a budget build and yes my SS hit 74,000 miles today so I guess now it runs like shit. First off ls1 heads flow good stock already that's why Texas speed and other aftermarket companies just improve flow on stock casting gm heads. Why spend 2000 on afrs.I have no idea who said anything about AFR's or debating LS1 head flow characteristics? I have a friend selling me 150 shot of nitrouse off his 2002 SS. I bought 410 gears for my car but never install them yet. So I think it's going to run good No shit sherlock....4.10's and a mild cam with nitrous should...... If I was you I would just sell my gto and get a 6.0 not a big diffrent on price. 6.0 has more potential for your heavier car. If you was telling me that you have drag radials than maybe I can buy it with right track conditions a mid to a low 13 but not on stock tires (13.6 @ 104 BONE STOCK WITH FACTORY TIRES HERE). Stock means stock!! My friends auto 6.0 gto spins the tires even from a slow roll and thier the factory tires that should be on the car. (GOOD FOR HIM...I spun through second stock all the time....pavement plays a lot into this) Summerwolf you have a 2004 gto and you post stuff like if your car is fast lol I think yours is more mild than mine We have similiar mods....like I said, a very mild build. ..lol.. I hope you know my f body has more potential than your car I had an 01 SS....my GTO was a better car in every regard. I sold the Fbody and couldn't care less. So get over it.Take your own fucking advice Look 04 gto owners... You haveing a 04 gto is like buying a 2010 mustang gt brand new than a year later the 2011 mustang gt comes out so yeah if I was you I'll be pist off too Bought mine in July of 05. I test drove both. The 04 looked better to me and I got a great deal. I knew I was going to mod it either way so base performance didn't mean much to me.. Not a big price diffrence between both cars just sell your unmodded ls1 gto that runs a 13.1 and get a 6.0. Than you really can run low 13s stock lol

Rebuttal. You're an idiot. I have 243's and a streetsweeper HT cam. I rev to 7K too. Most people with your attitude and thought process are the people I love to come across on the street.

Please I know what you got and you couldn't do anything to me .......lighter car!!!!!!

Lol 6.0 gto doesn't look as good as an 04. Lol stay off the drugs lol. 224/230 has alot of duration valves stay open longer!!!! Better for nitrous and almost 600 lift so WTF you talkin bout.. Lol like you said you don't know much bout heads lol

What 243 head you have. You know their is a diffrence 317?? Or zo6 heads. Zo6 heads are already 64cc !!! I have o2 ss heads that flow good and mil to same size as 243s and I put same valves.!!!! My car makes power threwout the powerband not just up top.. Dude don't even know how to work on your own car ...lol that's weak guess how much I save on labor lol more than you all I pay is for parts and a tune lol... Tell me about ls1 s when you work on your own car. A cammed o4 gto won't beat me so like I said get over it. Good mods to yours but your car is still heavy. Lol you send me a message saying it dosnt mater if you get a 6.0 or a 5.7 because your going to modd it. Well ok ls2 408 lol can you do that with a ls1??? Lol so ls2 has more potential that your car needs being so heavy. That's why I been looking for some good lq9 motor I'll just pull my ls1 out and drop it in with a fast and bigger cam and run 11:5:1 comprssion on that iron block. So keep paying for your labor... Hahaha now that's funny

And you run what? 12.9@111 with those mods? I sure hope that was when it was very close to stock.

Please, oh great F-Body master, please tell us what you run.

Dude, wtf did he just say? Does he imply that I don't know what a 243 head is? That I don't do any of my own work? That because I know I'm going to mod it I saved about 8K off the initial buy in price. That 8K went a helluva long way in mods. You don't know anything about what my car has or what I got, lol. My cam is bigger then yours too definitely over .600 in lift, want to play that game? My car makes power from 2000-7000, I'd say thats a pretty broad powerband for a street driven vehicle.

Holy fuck this guy is a laugh riot.

Wolf, this kid probably doesn't even have a car. Probably talking about the car down the street that gives him a little blip when he goes by.

This entire thing brings an old saying to mind...

You can fix a lot of things but you can't fix stupid.

yeah rob you are

My cam pulls to 2000 rpms and to 7000. look at you pic says it all

rob your car is stock..sooo yeah dude..

Dude look at my cam specs and google it since you dont know. Oh i bought my ss for 8000 with low miles and my car is faster stock for stock and mod to mod.

black ss, black leather, Black z06 rims, and slp package. So dont compare please

give me your email ill email you pics of build and my camaro

My car is far from stock dude. Learn to read and comprehend. It was stock back in '04. It ran 13.2 back then. 12.5 with a baby cam(368/360) and 12.3 with REAL LS6 heads(393/380). I've changed the cam twice after that and am making quite a bit more.

And here is a shot of the car on the 13.25 pass. Guess the stock tires can't take a launch, huh.

wow my fake ls6 make more wheel hp than your real ones..lol wow weak 393..lol

just because your car tuck dosnt mean you can launch it probly started spinning.. picture just caught it good thats all play the tape!!!

See you can comprehend anything. That was with a baby cam, 207/220.

I've told you what it runs. Why can't you say what yours runs? Because you don't have one.

And do your parents know you are up this late on a school night?

lol Mine ran a 12.90 @ 112 spinning 275 0 t0 60 foot was 2.6 cam only with 853 heads went back to the track with head swap and drag radials launch at 3000 rpms and snap my drive shaft in half.. got a thicker driveshaft still aliminum.. So dont know what it will do my friend runs 11.80s @ 118 in his ta and were always neck to neck so dont want to claim 11s till i break 11s..

Funny. My weak sauce cam only GTO beat your mighty cam only F-Body. And it was with the babiest of baby cams you can get. Imagine that.

And now I am making quite a bit more power than my 12.3 with a baby cam and LS6 heads...

My car is fast dude and i have beat ported blower cobras. from a roll. I have a ls1 in a lighter car so why are you comparing. My car is still not what i want it to be yet. remeber i dont even have 410s put on yet. How do yopu upload videos on here ill show you my race with my buddys 08 z06 and you tell me if its not fast

Keep up with that shit from a roll is a test try it

keeps pulling up top but my car did very good being a budget build. your baby cam was on drs and just because its a smaller cam dosent mean it will run 1/4. its highway you will get killed and im on drs now so please dont compare

Its about what combo you run not how big your cam is "jabroni"..lol

Car makes most of its power off "heads"

Breaze ill bet you a 1000 bucks where do you want to meet lol with your mods it will be easylol. Funny that your running a 228r cam texas speed 588 lift and you think your car is fast lol. When my friend ws6 is running the prc 2.5 5.3 heads with same cam dynoed 432 rwhp both of us are heads up when we race or depends who shifts quicker takes it. Lol but you know your car is heavier too lol. Oh i forgot you ran a 13.1 stock (wow faster than a f body stock) lol Ls1 gto is NOT FASTER THAN A F BODY!!!!! F BODY IS A LIGHTER CAR WITH A LS1 IN IT TOO.. HOW CAN IT BE FASTER!!??!?!?!!!!! You keep trying to tell me about a 04 gto running a low 13 lol your wasteing your time dude im not going to believe you. As for jimbo, mod your goat or any ls1 than type to me!! Everybody here been off the subject "GET OVER IT OR FIX IT"!!! Summerwolf thats how i feel about the goat. looks to much like a cavi if you ask me and i wouldnt even want one. I rather go back to a mustang if you ask me. 03 cobra beats the 6.0 gto in the 1/4 390hp vs 400hp 03 cobra is even heavier and yes underrated. But now i hear the 04 gto 350hp (heavier car) beats the lighter f body 345hp... Running a 13.1 (gto)??? vs fbody 13.3(SS camaro) Lighter car without IRS. NOW On the subject need a bit more to hang with the 6.0 gto uless he cant drive. If you cant drive than it dont mater what Car and Driver said bro what it could or should do dude!!! "Its not how you stand by your car its how you race your car". lol and thats the truth". Words of a wise man "Power to weight ratio" ;) Oh and breaze i can beat a cammed 05 gto lol But your ls1 cammed 04 gto is faster??? OHHHHh i forgot..

LMFAO... Who said the mods in my sig are my current mods lmfao... Dude I make probably a 150whp more than you hahaha... Just cause it says what it says in my sig doesnt mean thats what im running... Ive had that sig for over a year now and a lot of shit has changed... So come to Pinks all out at Route 66 in Joliet IL June 25th - 26th with all that shit talking and we will see what happens to the Ricer with a Fbody... And this is comming from a multipal Fbody owner... And if your wondering no thats not with a Shot... Oh and by the way Know a little something about other cars before you run your mouth..

1. A 03/04 Cobra is NOT heavier than a 04-06 GTO, Cobra's are about 150lbs lighter...
2. A 03/04 Cobra are rated from the factory at 390 but are actually in the 430hp range...
3. Plane and simple your a chode for thinking you know more about a car than the guys who own them... Do a little research kid...
4. If anything at least learn how to spell members user names...

ok your cool now didnt even list what you got lol.. OK what its top secret.. LOL they wont even let you in to pinks guy so relax your not a star buddy. I own f bodys too so what your point on spray or not still will beat what you got. Im going to spray 150 SHOT please tell me if you can beat that>>>LOL

Sign for a year but cant change it..ok sure buddy..

You have FAIL written all over you...

Wow you know facts about cobra..

Still cant name mods..lol go ahead and make up some im still hear..lol

12 sec club.. oh damn a year thats right lol

Lmao. Why are you worried about my mods ???? I have a slow 04 GTO right ????

:guns: 04 gto

04 GTO = :gay:

Dude your riding solo in this tread guy... So you can gay up all the shit you want, If your as much of a weirdo outside of this forum as you are in here... I feel for your fam and friends... Dude your playing up a 430whp Fbody as the fastest car in the world... Like I said before you = FAIL, Dude go spread your garbage in the Fbody section lol... Did they disown you as well for stupidity...

Wow uhhh 6.0 gto agrees with me too. look back at all the post. Some people here didnt buy your bull. Fast enough.... your modds are :secret: = :sack:

Your 04 GTO W40 Pulse Red M6
STOCK!!!! = :owned: lol

:wave-fing

Wow uhhh 6.0 gto agrees with me too. look back at all the post. Some people here didnt buy your bull. Fast enough.... your modds are :secret: = :sack:

Hmmmmmm Let me quote your very first post on this site....

"Sorry new to the ls1s but whats the diffrence between the lq9 and lq4 i know the lq9 is a iron block 6.0 from a escalade but the lq4???? sorry if its a stupid quetion. "

That equals FAIL... Your new to the LSX scene but yet you know more about are cars than we do... You have been a member on here, What??? 1 month and you know it all huh... Thats awesome dude, But I guess when you come from a 15.1 second Rustang like you said you had in your second post I guess when you jump into a LSX car anything is fast and unbeatable comming from what you had.... And from what I take it 6.0GTO or whatever his name is goes to the same track as I and is more than welcome to race me if he would like... Like I say dude talk is cheap...

Your 04 GTO W40 Pulse Red M6
STOCK!!!! = :owned: lol

Thats right your new to the LSX game so I guess a blower on the top of the block in the pic is a indication of stock... But you wouldnt know that though...

Yeah i am new to ls1s but i been working on them with my brother like i post. So yeah i have done work to my own car and didnt know the diffrence between the lq9 and lq4 as performance wise.. read all my post :turd: all my famliy owned ls1s than i got one and mod it. I know alot about the ls1 but had to read up about lq4 and such... so :flipbird:

Sorry was a little far from pic to see a magnacharged blower lol. Gay rims just caught me off gaurd lol..

Me working on ls1s for a year and owned one for almost that... Owned lt1s too buddy lol their 04 gto fast lol

Yeah i am new to ls1s but i been working on them with my brother like i post. So yeah i have done work to my own car and didnt know the diffrence between the lq9 and lq4 as performance wise.. read all my post :turd: all my famliy owned ls1s than i got one and mod it. I know alot about the ls1 but had to read up about lq4 and such... so :flipbird:

RIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHTTTTTT...... I'll say it till im blue in the face, you = Fail... You work on them like you post???? WTF does that even mean lmao... Dude seriously go back to the Fbody section and annoy them with dumb ass shit... FYI I did read ALL your post which I wish i didn't cause I feel high right now...

wow car still heavier and nitrous would kill your blower so again you = :owned: and a :turd:= u

LOL, Right haha... Ok dude whatever you say... hahaha

Im new to them as owning my own for a while...lol didnt know i had to own one to know about one. LIke i said my brother has a frc with a fast 90/90 224r cam/ prc 2.5 heads/ and full suporting mods. He is the one that showed me the ls1 scene. like i post i had lt1s and mustangs. but yeah i have a ls1... So how long do i have to have one before i can have knowledge about them... :google: helps you know lol

Rigggghhhhht geting your image off google lol of your car ha!!! lol

Wow and know more about ls1s than you thats funny!!! lol and how long have you own your goat...lol

:dark:

Just out of curiosity how old are you... That would explain A LOT!!! I like how you just put a bunch of smileys and shit to build your post rating.... lmao.... Thats what your posts consist of... Dont worry we will have you at a 100 before 12:30AM

About Theblacknightls1
Biography
Im new to this ls1 thing.. I own gt mustangs and lt1 and finally got a real car.
Location
San Antonio ,tx
Interests
I like to race and hang out with famliy
Occupation
Forklift driver
Ride
2000 SS Camaro
Engine type and displacement
Ls1 346ci
Induction
N/A
Major modifications
241 heads p&p mil 64cc, 224/230 581/592 @ 114 lsa, full bolt ons
Tranny type
Manual
Tires
Street Radials
Race weight
3,637
Horsepower
4??
60 foot time
2.3
1/8 Mile ET
n/a
1/8 Mile MPH
n/a
1/4 Mile ET
12.908
1/4 Mile MPH
111

Hmmmmm 1000 bucks huh.... Looks like someone needs a driver mod hahahaha...

LOL 25 and nahhh thats ok dont care to post alot. Just found out how to put diffrent kinds of smileys. It says how long i been on here.. dosnt it. Ok so i dont care i work today at 5 am so im geting off. I know my shit on ls1s and race every sunday so i know what my car can do. I work on them enough and had to figure out problems myself. I know my car dude.

Yeah thats was on 275 street tire and i lower tire preasure and didnt hook. Know i got Drag radials and swap heads and crank pulley like i said...lol Got nothing to hide thats why i post it and dont hide it.. 0 to 60 was worst it was 2.6 not 2.3..lol So what else

LOL 25 and nahhh thats ok dont care to post alot. Just found out how to put diffrent kinds of smileys. It says how long i been on here.. dosnt it. Ok so i dont care i work today at 5 am so im geting off. I know my shit on ls1s and race every sunday so i know what my car can do. I work on them enough and had to figure out problems myself. I know my car dude.

Whatever bro, and i know you run 3/10th's faster with all your mods than I did bone stock so enough said... Peace...

Yes a 1000 bucks but ill be on spray... If your s/c

Guy just got lazy to take it out of his car.. $300 complete

now lets look at you

My Name Is Phil
Location
Chicago, IL
Interests
Whatever's fun.....
Occupation
Paramedic
Ride
04 GTO
Engine type and displacement
LS1/LS6 346ci
Induction
N/A
Major modifications
Hmmmmm
Tranny type
Manual
Tires
Street Radials
Race weight
3900 est
Horsepower
556
60 foot time
1.843
1/4 Mile ET
11.254
1/4 Mile MPH
124.53
Density Altitude
Unknown
Track Name
Great Lakes Dragway, Union Grove WI

wow 556 n/a But you say your s/c

N/a or s/c??????? Your either one or the other. lol

My friend broke 11s and needed less than 126 rwhp than your non s/c or s/c gto... whatever it is

:sucks: :zzz:

:sucks: :zzz:Only because you are in it.

You have no clue. You can't drive. You blame it on 275 street tires yet GTO's came with 245's. You spout crap about mods and roll racing and sound just like a ricer. You talk about weight yet your "car" is only a little over 100 lbs lighter. You are owned every time you post.

You have no clue what you are saying as it is so jumbled, you must pick up bits and pieces from hearing people talk and try to add them together.

Please post videos of your phantom F-Body so we can all laugh. Probably a matchbox car going down the driveway. That's about how much knowledge you have when it comes to LSx or cars in general.

More than your stock gto that runs a 13 flat. I'm pushing more rwhp than a stock gto does at the crank so please spare me about gtos having 245s.. Of course my car is going to spin alot because I have alot of rwhp just to run stock street tires. I post some pics up but when I try to put pic that I took on my iPhone it dosnt let me say invalid image. I guess I need a cheap phone to do it lol. I'm done talking to you gto owners that arnt even 6.0s but you tell me what's fast when you have the slowest ls car but ok guy whatever you all say.. :givesfuck

N/a or s/c??????? Your either one or the other. lol

Funny that the only thing you can try and rip on me about is I over looked N/A or FI when I typed my info in hahaha your :wrist:

Rigggghhhhht geting your image off google lol of your car ha!!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/user/Breze84#p/u/16/QvYbhWXDZeI

Ya cause i totally took my own pic off google hahaha... your gay dude... And before you say something obviously dumb this is pre Maggied....

Good night Blacknight.... your done for 7 days. I asked nice and you didn't listen. It's pretty bad when you need to pick on GTO's because your 4 gen is a slow ass car.

Go play on the ricer boards if you are going to act like a ricer.

BTW, my son has a GTO, and I have a 2010 Camaro that will kick your ass....who the hell cares. This is NOT a street racing or call out thread.

Be nice


Robin

You guys are off topic. Blacknight your a little immature for all your post, you guys shouldn't feed his stupidity. I use to act like Blacknight when I was in middle school. Come on now, obviously he has nothing better to do then to put up immature comments.

I apologize to the OP for getting off topic...

More than your stock gto that runs a 13 flat. I'm pushing more rwhp than a stock gto does at the crank so please spare me about gtos having 245s.. Of course my car is going to spin alot because I have alot of rwhp just to run stock street tires. I post some pics up but when I try to put pic that I took on my iPhone it dosnt let me say invalid image. I guess I need a cheap phone to do it lol. I'm done talking to you gto owners that arnt even 6.0s but you tell me what's fast when you have the slowest ls car but ok guy whatever you all say.. :givesfuck

If you are making that much power, than you are not stock. If we are comparing modded GTO's to modded F-bodies, bring your slow shit to see me some time.

(Deleted, Please keep it nice or you will earn some time off. Thanks Robin )

If you are making that much power, than you are not stock. If we are comparing modded GTO's to modded F-bodies, bring your slow shit to see me some time.

(Deleted, Please keep it nice or you will earn some time off. Thanks Robin )
My slow car will beat yours i promise. I wasnt even talking about my modded fbody to a stock gto i was saying and will still say a stock ls1 gto dont run low 13s. :search:

Good night Blacknight.... your done for 7 days. I asked nice and you didn't listen. It's pretty bad when you need to pick on GTO's because your 4 gen is a slow ass car.

Go play on the ricer boards if you are going to act like a ricer.

BTW, my son has a GTO, and I have a 2010 Camaro that will kick your ass....who the hell cares. This is NOT a street racing or call out thread.

Be nice


Robin
Wow 7 days ohhh no...lol i didnt log on longer than 7 days was on vacation. But dont get how its ok for you to talk trash to me but when i say the truth you try to report it. My 4 th gen is faster than your heavy camaro. SO BE NICE TOO IF YOU WANT THE SAME RESPECT. NEVER EVEN INCLUDE YOU IN THE CONVERSATION. You pick the perfect 7 of my life...My life dont stop without ls1tech lol... :burn:

Great, you're back. Nice to see you haven't learned anything yet...

LS2 gto haves dynoed from 325 all the way to 370 rwhp stock, so theres a really good chance you can take him

LS2 gto haves dynoed from 325 all the way to 370 rwhp stock, so theres a really good chance you can take him

Yeah, I have tweaked a bit on my son's car and it's not completely stock;)

It makes 420 at the wheels. But it looks stock. LOL

My 5th gen runs high 10's hehe




Robin

I think a 04 gto would keep up for bit with a tune easy

Guys, lets get this back on track!

Thanks.

My slow car will beat yours i promise. I wasnt even talking about my modded fbody to a stock gto i was saying and will still say a stock ls1 gto dont run low 13s. :search:

DUDE REALLY, You get banned for a week for the trash you where saying and come back AGAIN with the same shit....:gtfo:
Anyways back on topic I guess lol

Guys I'm gonna weigh in..been reading your posts some are foolish, first off I drag race all the time, I used to own a 04 a4 Goat and my PB in completely stock form was 13.8@104mph...then came some simple bolt ons I install: SLP lm1's with x pipe,Random tech high flow cats, K&N cai, MSD 8mm wires, 160deg thermostat, superchips hand held recommended tune and I left the shift pressure stock(I got better times at the drag that way) and Toyo street tires 255 40 ZR17 and the rear psi at the drag always was 29psi..that is all I ever had on before I lost her..my PB was 12.92@108.8mph and If I hot lapped her she still would run(even on a hot day)13.00's-13.10. I hung out with a group of 04-06 GTO's at the track and I would always beat the stock LS2's and or intake or the one's with exhaust,never got may ass handed to me after my mods...with this set up I've ran lots of 1.95 60ft times...at the end of the day it was always a drivers race that's all..LS2's were always side by side next to me but I always edge them out...that said my next car is going to be an LS2 there badass in stock form.

Very true. Best stock numbers I saw was GTWhoa's car. He ran 13.1 with his stocker and it put down 307/320.

I didn't have mine on a dyno when it was stock but I'd figure I was around there since I could mph more than he could.

I put Dynatech headers/cats and Speed Inc CAI and ran 12.9. Swapped in a GT2-3, SLP pulley, tune and ran 12.5. Dyno'd 368/360 at that time. Swapped LS6 heads and ran 12.3 with 393/380. Now I'm around 425rwhp and shooting for 11's.

And no LS2 parts for me...

Full weight Rob ?:eyes:

Shit 6.0 gtos can get down.. I race a cammed one with drag radials and he kept launching on me by 2 cars but i would catch him on 3rd.. Everybody talk about them being so heavy but they get down..

Gto weights in at 3725lbs 04 an 3765lbs for 05-06 and f-bodies are around 3480lbs now 100lbs =1 tenth in a 1/4 mile so its only off by two tenths.:nod:

Full weight Rob ?:eyes:Yep, full weight. I want to say mine was 3960 with me in it. That was completely stock at MIR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcdRJMaDhuw Fast forward to 2:16 it will show you the 1/4 time from the dealer hopes this help yall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSVgao5ho_0 Fast forward to 2:41 it will show the time .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogvUVDyVoGg Forward it to 1:38 it will show the 1/4 mile time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcdRJMaDhuw Fast forward to 2:16 it will show you the 1/4 time from the dealer hopes this help yall.
And what does this show?

FWIW, my very first pass in the car with 600 miles was at that very same track, 75-80. It was a wheel hopping 13.6. By 1000 miles and 4 trips to the track, I got it down to 13.25. The GTO's aren't as easy to launch as a F-Body, it takes some practice to get it right.

A year old thread revived..

Rob you alright with me bro , I'll never argue on this , I know stock numbers are in full weight , spare tire , jack , I know but my point was how close the track times was , is what shocked me from what people was saying.

They saying the 04 did 13.63 while 05 did 13.50 this I didn't understand either.

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