Street Racing & Kill Stories - GTO vs 306 Mustang

I raced a 1995 GT that has a 306 with heads/cam and all the goodies. 3.73 gears, drag radials etc... He made 360whp on a Mustang dyno, my GTO made 385whp also on a Mustang Dyno.

We ran from 45mph to about 120. He stayed with me until I shifted to 3rd, I started to walk out on him. Shifted to 4th at about 100 with a solid 2-3 carlengths, then stopped at 120ish up 4-5 cars.

What's funny is this kid is totally ignorant about GTO's. He thinks that header/tune GTO's cant make more than 350whp and have a curb weight pushing 4000lbs. My car weighed 3770 with me in it (I'm about 170) on the scale at Englishtown. I imagine he's a little lighter, maybe 100-200lbs. That's obviously not enough to negate the 25whp advantage, not to mention power under the curve.

I guess no matter which way you try to spin it near stock 364 is still > h/c/i 306.

It all depends on the H/C/I. They can make anywhere from 290rwhp-475rwhp depending on the combination. Good kill.

Nice kill OP. Was expecting it to be a lot closer, especially with him having the edge in weight and you in HP. He probably has more then 200 pounds on you. For what it's worth, my 2000 GT auto weighed in at 3260. Like you said, he may be lacking some power under the curve. Good kill nonetheless.

It all depends on the H/C/I. They can make anywhere from 290rwhp-475rwhp depending on the combination. Good kill.

475rwhp on a 306? bullshit.

Nice run OP. That same engine in a lighter Fox body should have made for a better race.

475rwhp on a 306? bullshit.

I've seen a lot more than that out of a 306. I won't speak about the driving manners of the cars, but I've seen it.

I've seen a lot more than that out of a 306. I won't speak about the driving manners of the cars, but I've seen it.

Unless its an all out drag car with a built block and a huge donkey dick cam then I don't see more than 420RWHP out of an N/A 306. I agree I've seen more but that was with a completely unstreetable drag car.

Unless its an all out drag car with a built block and a huge donkey dick cam then I don't see more than 420RWHP out of an N/A 306. I agree I've seen more but that was with a completely unstreetable drag car.

My brother has gotten over 500 rwhp out of a 306. He drove it on the street but I damn sure wouldn't consider it a street car. It was nasty and he didn't take it out often but it was tagged and insured. I was just playing devils advocate. A streetable 306 would be lucky to hit 450 and that would be a stretch, more than likely your estimate of 420 would be more realistic.

Man I thought it was going to be closer than what you stated sounds like a good race wish you would have gotted a video.

475rwhp on a 306? bullshit.

Nice run OP. That same engine in a lighter Fox body should have made for a better race.

I've seen a lot more than that out of a 306. I won't speak about the driving manners of the cars, but I've seen it.

Yeah, I was definitely going on the extreme end for both of those numbers. If you do h/c/i and only get 290rwhp, you need to be slapped.

good kill. looks like he should have stepped up his build to a bigger stroker.

My brother has gotten over 500 rwhp out of a 306. He drove it on the street but I damn sure wouldn't consider it a street car. It was nasty and he didn't take it out often but it was tagged and insured. I was just playing devils advocate. A streetable 306 would be lucky to hit 450 and that would be a stretch, more than likely your estimate of 420 would be more realistic.

Yeah, I was definitely going on the extreme end for both of those numbers. If you do h/c/i and only get 290rwhp, you need to be slapped.

Mine only made 330rwhp at 7k but ran an 11.9 :lol:

What are you guys talking about? No... You will never run into a stock blocked 87-95 n/a streetcar that makes 470rwhp with only 306 cubes. In fact, I defy you to show me one that meets the criteria:

1. stock HO block
2. Any H/C/I package you choose
3. 306 c.i. or less
4. 470 rwhp or more
5. n/a

See, the upper limit of feasibility for n/a power for most gasoline engines is in the 2 crank hp per cubic inch range. Unfortunately, the problem with the 5.0 HO blocks is that you can't rev them enough to get to that upper limit. Anything beyond roughly 7200 rpm and main girdles, and engine braces still can't prevent the main caps from walking.

The 5.0 is my favorite motor in the world, but I still have to call BS on this:

It all depends on the H/C/I. They can make anywhere from 290rwhp-475rwhp depending on the combination. Good kill.

And Manalishi, if your brother made 500 rwhp out of a 306, it was either boosted, nitroused, or had an aftermarket block. So, your reference isn't a good counterpoint for the argument at hand. Once again, I defy anyone to show me a 500+ rwhp 306 SBF using a 5.0 HO block, race oriented or otherwise. It might be possible, but only just... and by a damned good engine builder, and it still wouldn't be something you'd ever run into on the street.

Oh, and in a street gas (93 octane), somewhat reasonably cammed 302/306 360 rwhp is phenomenal. That's so good, that unless I looked under the hood and saw nothing but premium parts, I wouldn't believe it either --> guys tend to exaggerate what their cars can do. Mine made "only" about 320 rwhp and walked on a lot of other 302s that made 400+rwhp, or so they said, including a few blown 302s....

A typical H/C/I 302 street car is going to make between 260 and 350 rwhp with very few outliers.

Like I said, I was going to the extreme on those numbers. If you make 260rwhp on a H/C/I 5.0 you wasted your time and quite a bit of money. And who said anything about stock H.O. shortblock? We were talking displacement.

And Manalishi, if your brother made 500 rwhp out of a 306, it was either boosted, nitroused, or had an aftermarket block. So, your reference isn't a good counterpoint for the argument at hand. Once again, I defy anyone to show me a 500+ rwhp 306 SBF using a 5.0 HO block, race oriented or otherwise. It might be possible, but only just... and by a damned good engine builder, and it still wouldn't be something you'd ever run into on the street.

It was a production block, with a lot of work done. It was NA but it was hardly just H/C/I. He drove it on the street occasionally. But you believe what you want and I will know what I know. :chug:

Oh, and in a street gas (93 octane), somewhat reasonably cammed 302/306 360 rwhp is phenomenal. That's so good, that unless I looked under the hood and saw nothing but premium parts, I wouldn't believe it either --> guys tend to exaggerate what their cars can do. Mine made "only" about 320 rwhp and walked on a lot of other 302s that made 400+rwhp, or so they said, including a few blown 302s....

A typical H/C/I 302 street car is going to make between 260 and 350 rwhp with very few outliers.

I agree.

Like I said, I was going to the extreme on those numbers. If you make 260rwhp on a H/C/I 5.0 you wasted your time and quite a bit of money. And who said anything about stock H.O. shortblock? We were talking displacement.

Why? There's kids here that do GT40 heads or whatever with the e303 cam and are LUCKY to make 260. Isn't that the cheapest most common setup?

Nice kill OP.

I agree.



Why? There's kids here that do GT40 heads or whatever with the e303 cam and are LUCKY to make 260. Isn't that the cheapest most common setup?

If you do GT40 heads/intake and an E303 with full bolt-ons, I am going to assume that you would make atleast as much power as my SOHC 4.6 made. Tons of Mustang guys do full exhaust anyway, so I would assume most that do a h/c/i swap on a 5.0 would too.

It was a production block, with a lot of work done. It was NA but it was hardly just H/C/I. He drove it on the street occasionally. But you believe what you want and I will know what I know. :chug:

Ok... don't get so defensive. Just show me that I'm wrong, please. I would love to see even a single example of a production HO block making 500rwhp n/a without a stroker kit. Even with a stroker kit, that'd be awesome! It's not that I want to believe that a 302 SBF can't do it. I'd much prefer to be able to brag about a 500rwhp 302/306 to my bowtie buddies. I'm a 5.0 guy, after all. But, I know their limits... at least I think I do. I welcome any reasonable documentation to the contrary.

Why? There's kids here that do GT40 heads or whatever with the e303 cam and are LUCKY to make 260. Isn't that the cheapest most common setup?

Exactly! GT40 heads can be had for next to nothing. A lot of guys will take the things off of Explorer engines and put them on their 5.0 for a total investment of a couple hundred dollars. 5.0s dyno 190-200 rwhp-ish stock. They pick up 50 or so rwhp, and it's an awesome investment on a budget. It's not going to be a world beater by any stretch of the imagination, but it'll be a little more fun, and you can't beat the bang for the buck. Or, like me and the other fanatics willing to empty out the wallet to make real power, you could go out and buy the premium aluminum heads, a custom cam, and a good intake with all the supporting bolt-ons for a few thousand dollars for another 60-70 rwhp. Some guys would rather not invest that kind of money in a 15+ year old car.

Like I said, I was going to the extreme on those numbers. If you make 260rwhp on a H/C/I 5.0 you wasted your time and quite a bit of money. And who said anything about stock H.O. shortblock? We were talking displacement.

I understand your point about displacement. It's still misleading to anyone who reads your earlier comment.

The OP mentioned a '95 mustang with H/C/I. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that the mustang in question has a stock block. What percentage of those setups do you think is running a ~$2k block, and would lose to a 380rwhp GTO? I'll go out on a limb and say that it's pretty close to 0%. No one spends 2k on a monster block to make 360rwhp on the street. That could be done using a stock block and stock displacement. I'd also estimate that 95% - probably more - of those that spend the coin on an aftermarket block are not going to stay at stock displacement. The other 5% aren't running their cars on the street - they're at the track in displacement limited classes.

More to the point, when you said it depends on the H/C/I, that alone implies a stock shortblock. Else, you should specify an aftermarket block. In which case it wouldn't "all depend on the h/c/i." It would depend on a hell of a lot more. If you turn a 302/306 to 9000 rpm, then making 500rwhp would not be any problem at all. But turn a stock HO block to 9000 rpm and well... you'd only make it to about 8k before it tore itself apart. I'd love to watch the video of that motor, but I sure as hell wouldn't be there in person.:D

Ju1ce EVERYONE thinks GTOs are over 4000 pounds so thats not a surprise.

Ju1ce EVERYONE thinks GTOs are over 4000 pounds so thats not a surprise.

Including the new crop of camaro owners.

Few months ago i was checking out the new SS and a couple just bought a yellow one, we talked a little and i said it should be a fun race when it comes in.

Salesman intervines "The SS wont have a problem against your land boat" I didnt know what to do so i just left, with my "land boat" haha

Now back on topic!

Land boat? The new Camaro's the one that looks like a landboat...

Oh, and in a street gas (93 octane), somewhat reasonably cammed 302/306 360 rwhp is phenomenal. That's so good, that unless I looked under the hood and saw nothing but premium parts, I wouldn't believe it either --> guys tend to exaggerate what their cars can do. Mine made "only" about 320 rwhp and walked on a lot of other 302s that made 400+rwhp, or so they said, including a few blown 302s....

A typical H/C/I 302 street car is going to make between 260 and 350 rwhp with very few outliers.

+1000

360rwhp on a mustang dyno in a foxbody will run low 11's with traction. Mid to high 11s in a heavier sn95. I highly doubt your buddy actually has 360rwhp on a 306 h/c/i.

Nice kill thou.

+1000

360rwhp on a mustang dyno in a foxbody will run low 11's with traction. Mid to high 11s in a heavier sn95. I highly doubt your buddy actually has 360rwhp on a 306 h/c/i.

Nice kill thou.

Maybe at ATCO in December on slicks and skinnies.
Plus we raced from a roll where traps are more important (if you're going to armchair qb this race).
"With traction" my GTO would easily be in the 11's, btw.

Maybe at ATCO in December on slicks and skinnies.
Plus we raced from a roll where traps are more important (if you're going to armchair qb this race).
"With traction" my GTO would easily be in the 11's, btw.

Yes those numbers are probably assuming a 0 DA.(although atco in the winter is probably -1500 )

I'm not disputing your claim of beating him at all, just like Chris said 360rwhp on a mustang dyno in a h/c/i 306 is very hard to do and impressive. Any more details of his exact setup?

306 c.i
9:5 to 1 compression
Ford Racing F- cam
Trickflow Twisted Wedge aluminum heads
1.6 roller rockers.
Trickflow street heat upper and lower intake manifold
BBK 65mm Throttlebody
mac cold air intake
Pro-m 75mm mass air meter.
Ford racing 24lb injectors
ford racing shorty headers.
bassani bx -x-pipe with hi flow cats
SLP LM1 catback exaust

Edit: first thing first- Good Kill on the Mustang OP!

This is how my last 5 minutes of reading went:
"Cool race, built 5.0's are always a reputable kill"
"... wtf? These guys are saying 3.06's are capable of what?!" Where's that 'Quote' button...
"... make that 'Multi-Quote' button... these guys are clueless!"
"Oh wait, sarge is chargin' to the rescue."
"Damn, Sarge just got shot down." Multi-Quote... another Multi-Quote...
"Oh, Chris Arnold just blew them Internet HorsePower bullshitters up, and destroyed there rebuttals, too!"

Now I gotta unclick all them Multi-Quote's. F* it: log out, log back in; problem solved. :)

306 c.i
9:5 to 1 compression
Ford Racing F- cam
Trickflow Twisted Wedge aluminum heads
1.6 roller rockers.
Trickflow street heat upper and lower intake manifold
BBK 65mm Throttlebody
mac cold air intake
Pro-m 75mm mass air meter.
Ford racing 24lb injectors
ford racing shorty headers.
bassani bx -x-pipe with hi flow cats
SLP LM1 catback exaust

I call BS, everyone knows that Trickflow Twisted Wedge make 100 rwhp more than comparable setups!!! He should have smoked you easily, there is a mustang guy in here that made almost 500rwhp w/a 331.:angel:

Good kill sounds like the stang needs some no2

Ju1ce do you actually own a 385rwhp GTO or even a GTO at all? If so post up some proof. Not just pictures, some proof. Make a funny sign under the windshield wiper saying Stopsign32v is a retard or something. Because I don't believe you do and I don't believe you ran into a 1995 Mustang GT with a 306 that makes 360rwhp. Please prove me wrong because after all your stupid posts and this dumb thread http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1265461-smoked-mach-1-a.html I have a hard time believing anything you say.

+1000

360rwhp on a mustang dyno in a foxbody will run low 11's with traction. Mid to high 11s in a heavier sn95. I highly doubt your buddy actually has 360rwhp on a 306 h/c/i.

Nice kill thou

i highly doubt that. dont stock sn95s ON average run in the 15s? i just dont see this being too common. possible, yes. common, doubtful. but im no mustang expert...

Ju1ce do you actually own a 385rwhp GTO or even a GTO at all? If so post up some proof. Not just pictures, some proof. Make a funny sign under the windshield wiper saying Stopsign32v is a retard or something. Because I don't believe you do and I don't believe you ran into a 1995 Mustang GT with a 306 that makes 360rwhp. Please prove me wrong because after all your stupid posts and this dumb thread http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1265461-smoked-mach-1-a.html I have a hard time believing anything you say.

you love your callouts, dont ya.:lol: but its okay, someones gotta have the balls to say it.

...but in the sign, it should say GTO < any ford. ;)

Juice definitely does have a GTO .. I've ran him.. but thats all i shall say!

Ju1ce do you actually own a 385rwhp GTO or even a GTO at all? If so post up some proof. Not just pictures, some proof. Make a funny sign under the windshield wiper saying Stopsign32v is a retard or something. Because I don't believe you do and I don't believe you ran into a 1995 Mustang GT with a 306 that makes 360rwhp. Please prove me wrong because after all your stupid posts and this dumb thread http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1265461-smoked-mach-1-a.html I have a hard time believing anything you say.

But I did actually race a Mach-1 driven by a girl who said her bf said it would go low 12's...

Thanks, man. That made me laugh.:D Keep you multi-quote button nearby, though. They might come back, but I won't be able to field any more rebuttals for long. I'm off to do a field exercise (army guy here) for a little over a month.

I love 5.0s, and have had them in my mind for 13 years. Having owned 2 H/C/I stock shortblock 302s (270 & 320rwhp), a twin-turbo HCI 302 (420rwhp), and a balls-out aftermarket blocked 1200hp capable 331 (760 rwhp at only 14psi so far), I'd like to believe that I know the 5.0 basics, but I'm always open-minded and I welcome any credible evidence to correct my understanding.

Edit: first thing first- Good Kill on the Mustang OP!

This is how my last 5 minutes of reading went:
"Cool race, built 5.0's are always a reputable kill"
"... wtf? These guys are saying 3.06's are capable of what?!" Where's that 'Quote' button...
"... make that 'Multi-Quote' button... these guys are clueless!"
"Oh wait, sarge is chargin' to the rescue."
"Damn, Sarge just got shot down." Multi-Quote... another Multi-Quote...
"Oh, Chris Arnold just blew them Internet HorsePower bullshitters up, and destroyed there rebuttals, too!"

Now I gotta unclick all them Multi-Quote's. F* it: log out, log back in; problem solved. :)

But I did actually race a Mach-1 driven by a girl who said her bf said it would go low 12's...

So what you're saying is you don't actually own a GTO :ripped:

So what you're saying is you don't actually own a GTO :ripped:

The irony in all this was that the Mach was also white :funny:

Throughout this whole thread, I still don't understand why the argument is void unless the power made from 306 cubes is from a production block...?

I don't understand your confusion. No argument is void.

Also, it's already clear, based on the OPs response laying out the combination that the 306 does have a production HO block.

Oh BTW, it's also very clear that the car is not making the claimed 360rwhp. The powerband of the F-cam and the capability of those heads puts the power of that engine in the 285-305rwhp range depending on how well it was tuned, and more than likely towards the bottom end of that range on a dynojet, not a Mustang dyno.

Chris

http://i44.tinypic.com/sx2asy.jpg

Oh BTW, it's also very clear that the car is not making the claimed 360rwhp. The powerband of the F-cam and the capability of those heads puts the power of that engine in the 285-305rwhp range depending on how well it was tuned, and more than likely towards the bottom end of that range on a dynojet, not a Mustang dyno.

Chris

So not only is he ignorant, but he's a bullshitter too, eh? I should have mentioned I had a 280lb passenger, he was alone AND I gave him the hit.

But I was afraid ppl wouldn't believe me :(

It's cool Ju1ce, I believe ya. Been told too many times to count that so-and-so's car puts out unbelievable power etc. etc. then I would run them and that power evaporated faster than $100 at a strip club... and goes into the same "black" hole I bet, too.

http://i44.tinypic.com/sx2asy.jpg

LMAO, you cyber bully!!!!! :chug:

Proof of the 385rwhp?

Edit: first thing first- Good Kill on the Mustang OP!

This is how my last 5 minutes of reading went:
"Cool race, built 5.0's are always a reputable kill"
"... wtf? These guys are saying 3.06's are capable of what?!" Where's that 'Quote' button...
"... make that 'Multi-Quote' button... these guys are clueless!"
"Oh wait, sarge is chargin' to the rescue."
"Damn, Sarge just got shot down." Multi-Quote... another Multi-Quote...
"Oh, Chris Arnold just blew them Internet HorsePower bullshitters up, and destroyed there rebuttals, too!"

Now I gotta unclick all them Multi-Quote's. F* it: log out, log back in; problem solved. :)

When the fuck did I get shot down? Pretty sure I don't have any other holes in my body besides the ones God gave me.....

No way that stang is 360RWHP. Tell him to trash the F cam too-too big for his combo.

Nice kill!!

Proof of the 385rwhp?

sowwy I never grabbed the dyno sheet. I do have the stock dyno sheet when it made 345whp and has since gotten catless longtubes and a tune.

Would you like to see that?

No way that stang is 360RWHP. Tell him to trash the F cam too-too big for his combo.

Nice kill!!

His heads are ported, not sure if that makes much difference.

Didn't think so. :lol:

Nice slow Goat you got there. ;) Nothing wrong with a high 12 second GTO. And :bs: for running a "360rwhp" 95 Mustang GT.

His heads are ported, not sure if that makes much difference.

Who is this guy? Surely if he has a 360rwhp 306 and you know all these things about him you know his user name on some site.

Didn't think so. :lol:

Nice slow Goat you got there. ;) Nothing wrong with a high 12 second GTO. And :bs: for running a "360rwhp" 95 Mustang GT.

High 12's? I did that bone stock. I ran 12.5 on the stock tires and in the 11's on slicks...

High 12's? I did that bone stock. I ran 12.5 on the stock tires and in the 11's on slicks...

Post up the time slips with alittle pwoof.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1265461-smoked-mach-1-a.html
He posted this saying he owned a 3.8 F body.

Post up the time slips with alittle pwoof.

Stock tires, full weight. Only headers and a tune done.

12.5 @ 113 with a 2.1 60'
http://www.streetfire.net/video/gto-cobalt-camaro_707980.htm

Not to mention DA was up over 1000.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1265461-smoked-mach-1-a.html
He posted this saying he owned a 3.8 F body.

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said I owned a 3.8 fbody...

Stock tires, full weight. Only headers and a tune done.

12.5 @ 113 with a 2.1 60'
http://www.streetfire.net/video/gto-cobalt-camaro_707980.htm

Not to mention DA was up over 1000.

I thought you said you ran 11's with slicks? And did you miss my question about the Mustang? So far you have proven you own a GTO that can run what a H/C/I 302 can run which is pretty pathetic. LOL Gonna need alittle more *UMPH* to run a 360rwhp 95.

I thought you said you ran 11's with slicks? And did you miss my question about the Mustang? So far you have proven you own a GTO that can run what a H/C/I 302 can run which is pretty pathetic. LOL Gonna need alittle more *UMPH* to run a 360rwhp 95.

What I showed you was a video of a 12.5 @ 113 with a super awesome 2.1 60' on stock tires. But since you already knew that, and you're bench racing extrodinare, why don't you tell me what it'd do at zero DA with big and littles at a much better track...

What's pretty pathetic is that the 5.0 needs a h/c/i to do what I did bone stock.

:corn:

What I showed you was a video of a 12.5 @ 113 with a super awesome 2.1 60' on stock tires. But since you already knew that, and you're bench racing extrodinare, why don't you tell me what it'd do at zero DA with big and littles at a much better track...

What's pretty pathetic is that the 5.0 needs a h/c/i to do what I did bone stock.

What you said was your ran 11's with slicks. I don't care about math divided by your 60' minus the DA times the distance the sun is from the moon divided by pie. Show me your 11 second time slip with a nasty little note on it.

And no thats not pathetic. :lol: A 5.0L car with 1986 technology running what a 2005 6.0L car runs.

Again, about this 1995 Mustang GT you ran which you know so much about. I assume he is a friend or something so what would his user name be on which site? :confused:

I still think you are full of shit and just here to start things.

What you said was your ran 11's with slicks. I don't care about math divided by your 60' minus the DA times the distance the sun is from the moon divided by pie. Show me your 11 second time slip with a nasty little note on it.

And no thats not pathetic. :lol: A 5.0L car with 1986 technology running what a 2005 6.0L car runs.

Again, about this 1995 Mustang GT you ran which you know so much about. I assume he is a friend or something so what would his user name be on which site? :confused:

I dont have the time slip or video. I didn't think that when I was going to the track that day I'd need to prove myself to the world. You can figure it out yourself if you doubt me.

The kid with the 306 isn't my friend, he's an arrogant prick like 99% of you Mustang fanbois are, I don't know his screen name on any forums all I know is what he told me his car has and what it made.

I know from what other people who know him said was he dropped about $20,000 into the car.

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said I owned a 3.8 fbody...

It was in your sig. Everyone in that thread early on saw it. Why people posted no way with that car in your sig. I guess you chose to put random cars you don't own in your sig. That's cool. That's why your thread was quickly locked with the overflow of BS.

It was in your sig. Everyone in that thread early on saw it. Why people posted no way with that car in your sig. I guess you chose to put random cars you don't own in your sig. That's cool. That's why your thread was quickly locked with the overflow of BS.

I think you're confusing me with stopsign's sig.

I dont have the time slip or video. I didn't think that when I was going to the track that day I'd need to prove myself to the world. You can figure it out yourself if you doubt me.

The kid with the 306 isn't my friend, he's an arrogant prick like 99% of you Mustang fanbois are, I don't know his screen name on any forums all I know is what he told me his car has and what it made.

I know from what other people who know him said was he dropped about $20,000 into the car.

So you video your car running 12.5 (if that was even you) but when you mount the slicks and take the car and it runs an 11 second time you throw the slip away and delete the video? Right...

Not to mention you posted this first..

Maybe at ATCO in December on slicks and skinnies.
Plus we raced from a roll where traps are more important (if you're going to armchair qb this race).
"With traction" my GTO would easily be in the 11's, btw.

and then this...

High 12's? I did that bone stock. I ran 12.5 on the stock tires and in the 11's on slicks...

So today sometime you went to the track and ran 11's on slicks but forgot the time slip? :rotflmao:



If this kid was so arrogant then why did you bother listening to him state EVERYTHING he did? :eyes: You even got down to details with the brand and style X pipe..

306 c.i
9:5 to 1 compression
Ford Racing F- cam
Trickflow Twisted Wedge aluminum heads
1.6 roller rockers.
Trickflow street heat upper and lower intake manifold
BBK 65mm Throttlebody
mac cold air intake
Pro-m 75mm mass air meter.
Ford racing 24lb injectors
ford racing shorty headers.
bassani bx -x-pipe with hi flow cats
SLP LM1 catback exaust







Now if I had to guess, this is what REALLY happened...You are butt hurt because of me somehow. That is why in this thread http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1264654-lt1-vs-02-stang-3.html you followed me around like a little puppy. Afterwards you wern't happy with the lack of attention you got from either other people or myself. So you made the thread about the Mach 1 making it look like you ran my g/f in her Mach 1. :zzz: Once that got locked and you STILL didn't get the attention you decided to make this thread about the 95 Mustang GT. :lol: Yet you thought you thought this one out pretty good to where it wouldn't be toooooo obvious. Certainly saying the 95 GT had a 331 would make things too obvious, so you claimed it had a 306. Still when you are this stupid and persistent it really helps to have some proof of your claims. I think I've just about covered everything. Glad you cleared up that you are infact full of shit like I figured. :chug:



Oh and one last thing...I'm not one to *toot* my own horn. But my 1995 Mustang GT would absolutely shit all over your "GTO". But you already knew that. ;) Have a nice one, my job here is done. :chug:

The funny part is you're so full of yourself that you completely dismiss the possibility of all this being legit, which it is.

Oh the Irony...


BTW there was never a video of the 11 second pass because no one ever filmed it :-p
Also, you're not smoking much with 297whp, just sayin.

One more thing, Stopsign... since you know everything.
How do you think my GTO would have faired against PSM's cammed Z28 on the highway?

Rly curious what you think there, stopsign.

rofl.

How do you think my GTO would have faired against PSM's cammed Z28 on the highway?

Let me guess, you won.

Let me guess, you won.

I don't see a car that he claimed trapped 113 to beat up on a car that trapped 121 on the highway....

Just sayin. I sense a troll, but Kevin seems to be holding his own on this one :D

I don't see a car that he claimed trapped 113 to beat up on a car that trapped 121 on the highway....

Just sayin. I sense a troll, but Kevin seems to be holding his own on this one :D

I have trapped faster, but that's besides the point. Everyone hangs on 1/4 mile numbers so hard when in reality they're completely irrelevant when racing on the highway.

Let me guess, you won.

Nope, but all the bench racing in the world wouldn't get you anywhere.

1/4 mile numbers are irrelevant when roll racing? Times yes, but traps, not so much. Let put it this way...I have run one very high 11, at 118. Most times were low-mid 12s at 117 and 118. I raced my buddy that is a consistent mid 11 car, best time was 11.60 at 115. Well what happened when we ran from a 30 roll? I pulled him..not hard, but I got him. Point being, trap speeds from a roll can in fact go hand in hand. A car can hook and cut a mean ass 1.5 or 1.4 60 and still run a high 11 at 112 or 114. He tries a roll race against a car cutting a 1.8 that traps 118...he should lose (who takes the hit, gear selection, typical driver equations permitting). Just sayin.

Just sayin, there's much more to it than trap speeds. If one car can get to 115 in 11.5 seconds, why is the car that can get to 118 in 12.5 seconds faster? The other car should be out in front and already going 120+ by the time the 12.5 car gets to 118.

Too many variables to bench race, people just get lucky sometimes.

Me vs PSM. Not to take anything away from his car by barely pulling me, just so happened that I matched up well with him from a roll.
From a dig, not so much lol. As indicated by his 11.4 @ 121+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXMf8KnjlDk

Always variables true. Powerband, gearing, hell areo can play a factor (such as my race with a claimed 700+ hp srt 10 ram). Speed of the roll is another factor to consider. Though yea, I agree with too many variables with bench racing. Generally though, I would put my money on the car that traps 5+ mph from a roll. Shit, look at the Supra guys :lol:

Sooo what I'm noticing is that you, juice, are ignoring what stopsign called you out on. (I'd quote but I'm on my blackberry) you said you COULD run 11s with a low DA, but then you said you DID run an 11 with slicks, but then threw away your best time slip (which most people would never do). That right there proves you are a liar. How could you forget you ran an 11?

As for the track times not mattering, how about that video of when they threw a c5r on the 1320 and it run like a 13.5 @ 130 or some crazy trap. Does that mean you could out run that c5r in a roll race? Obviously not, because traps show what the car is capable of if it had good traction. ETs are about hooking, traps are HP.

Now quit being a goddamn troll trying to start shit (although posting the mach "kill" (of stopsign gfs :lol:) twice was a pretty funny cry for attention.

Sooo what I'm noticing is that you, juice, are ignoring what stopsign called you out on. (I'd quote but I'm on my blackberry) you said you COULD run 11s with a low DA, but then you said you DID run an 11 with slicks, but then threw away your best time slip (which most people would never do). That right there proves you are a liar. How could you forget you ran an 11?

As for the track times not mattering, how about that video of when they threw a c5r on the 1320 and it run like a 13.5 @ 130 or some crazy trap. Does that mean you could out run that c5r in a roll race? Obviously not, because traps show what the car is capable of if it had good traction. ETs are about hooking, traps are HP.

Now quit being a goddamn troll trying to start shit (although posting the mach "kill" (of stopsign gfs :lol:) twice was a pretty funny cry for attention.

All I read, was all of you being on Stopsigns nuts since page 1 when he made some comment. I know Juice in person, hes very sarcastic - clearly noticable by the picture he made for him. His car is pretty quick, and there are a million and one variables when racing.. His story he told me is the same story he is telling you now - so I doubt hes lying. ALSO "(which most people would never do)" - well some people actually don't care as much as you. So please STFU. THANK YOU!

All I read, was all of you being on Stopsigns nuts since page 1 when he made some comment. I know Juice in person, hes very sarcastic - clearly noticable by the picture he made for him. His car is pretty quick, and there are a million and one variables when racing.. His story he told me is the same story he is telling you now - so I doubt hes lying. ALSO "(which most people would never do)" - well some people actually don't care as much as you. So please STFU. THANK YOU!

lol did i say i cared? No, but i said most people do. i could care less, owned the car for a year and only thought about going to the track once, but never did. maybe your butt buddy juice should tell his story better and there wont be all of this BS...:angel:

lol did i say i cared? No, but i said most people do. i could care less, owned the car for a year and only thought about going to the track once, but never did. maybe your butt buddy juice should tell his story better and there wont be all of this BS...:angel:

Clearly you care if you are gonna drop ur useless 2 cents in this thread. Fact remains, none of us were there. So get over it, he shared a story. Case closed.

im simply backing who/what i believe in this thread, same thing as you are doing.

thanks matt! i find even more irony in the fact that no one considered the possibility that the timeslip was misplaced rather than thrown out. even if i did post a slip id still have naysayers because theres no video, so whats the point? not every1 puts their best slips under glass you know. also stopsign isnt touchin me with 297whp

thanks matt! i find even more irony in the fact that no one considered the possibility that the timeslip was misplaced rather than thrown out. even if i did post a slip id still have naysayers because theres no video, so whats the point? not every1 puts their best slips under glass you know. also stopsign isnt touchin me with 297whp

Ever hear the saying believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear?

I dont think anyone is disputing that you beat a 95 mustang with a 306 with the mods you listed. Just the fact that said car makes 360rwhp.

There is no way that a 306 with 9:5 compression and a f cam is making 360rwhp N/A on a MUSTANG dyno.(380+ on a dynojet)

Just sayin, there's much more to it than trap speeds. If one car can get to 115 in 11.5 seconds, why is the car that can get to 118 in 12.5 seconds faster? The other car should be out in front and already going 120+ by the time the 12.5 car gets to 118.


Well to help out a little, my car went 13.0 at 109. My friends SRT4 went 13.7 at 117. Off a roll he straight murdured me even though i was quite a bit quicker at the track.

Off the line traction doesnt really matter all too much on rolls unless your pushing some major power.

he's an arrogant prick

They say we dislike things about other people, that we hate about ourselves.

Either way, stop's stang is still faster than your GTO ;)

Videos are the best IMO. :nod:

Well to help out a little, my car went 13.0 at 109. My friends SRT4 went 13.7 at 117. Off a roll he straight murdured me even though i was quite a bit quicker at the track.

Off the line traction doesnt really matter all too much on rolls unless your pushing some major power.

But by the time 13.7 seconds goes by you might not be going 117. That's an extreme case, he's out trapping you by 8mph, not 2-3mph with a full second slower E.T.

All I'm saying is it's not linear and it's not a perfect science.
Can someone explain to me why my car that traps 113-115 hung right by PSM's 121+ trapping car?

I can tell you why. Because you people rely too much on trap speed to figure out who 'should' win.

They say we dislike things about other people, that we hate about ourselves.

Either way, stop's stang is still faster than your GTO ;)

Thanks shrink, but I'm only an arrogant prick when I'm doing it sarcastically poking fun of people who are serious. :angel:

I dont have the time slip or video. I didn't think that when I was going to the track that day I'd need to prove myself to the world. You can figure it out yourself if you doubt me.

The kid with the 306 isn't my friend, he's an arrogant prick like 99% of you Mustang fanbois are, I don't know his screen name on any forums all I know is what he told me his car has and what it made.

I know from what other people who know him said was he dropped about $20,000 into the car.

Well maybe it's guys like you that make us arrogant pricks. I gave you the benefit of the doubt in the beginning of this thread and told you good kill, now you call me an arrogant prick. I'm still gonna be the bigger man here and help you... Next time you run your personal best time, bring the slip home, scan it and upload it to photobucket. This way if you LOSE it you can retrieve it and post it so we know your not full of shit.:bang:

good kill

Thanks shrink, but I'm only an arrogant prick when I'm doing it sarcastically poking fun of people who are serious. :angel:

People will always make up justifications for their bad behavior. Often, when doing what you claim to be doing, you become the very person you are claiming to be chastising.

The only thing you've accomplished is to show the forum that you too can act like a pretentious jerk. You've not proven anything but.

You made these threads to belittle stopsign. And failed each time.

The "Oh I am just joking" excuse has been one used by thousands of insecure forum posters that attempt to justify their bad actions.

If you plan on acting like this, at least get a bit better at it.

Please shut ur fn mouth dr phil

Please shut ur fn mouth dr phil

Yes... because I know the basics of human nature I'm Dr Phil.

100% Silly. :)

thanks matt! i find even more irony in the fact that no one considered the possibility that the timeslip was misplaced rather than thrown out. even if i did post a slip id still have naysayers because theres no video, so whats the point? not every1 puts their best slips under glass you know. also stopsign isnt touchin me with 297whp

Stopsign would skull fuck you up and down and any which way you want to run them.
With every bit of his 297Rwhp horsepowa!
:jest:
People just don't learn, same shit over and over and over.
BTW, I as well don't think you have ever made an 11 second pass in that car.

For everyone saying that trap speeds are all that matters in roll racing, you need to race from a roll more often and more cars. It all depends on the setup and the start/stop speed. I could go into full detail but I don't need to. I will say though that cars that have within 3-5mph trap speeds it is a toss up.