Gen 5 Racing Tech - Cam install complete: 497 HP 451 TQ!




BADDLS1SS
05-17-2010, 10:32 AM
Started on this late Fri evening, got it set this evening after working on it off and on from about noon till 7.

Lots of putzy work when doing a cam on one of these cars... I think my personal fav is the stretch belt for the a/c compressor:fire

Pulled the intake off to clean the oil residue out of it from the breather.

Kinda start to the point where the stock cam comes out. Gotta love blowing apart a brand new car with 4k miles on it!.

Mod list:

Roto-fab CAI, 160T-stat, Ebay 1-5/8" catless long tubes, stock mid pipe(s), JBA axleback, 231/247 113LSA Cam, 7.400PR's, PRC 650 springs and of course the ever important tune. Ive got less into this car in parts than what most pay for a complete exhaust system for those who are budget concious.


Vid up first:

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This is a new LSR grind, Comp Cam specifically for rectangle port heads: .617/.624 - 231/247 113LSA

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02r1
05-17-2010, 10:49 AM
how hard is it to do a cam install....I have been debating doing it to my 6.0 goat

BlackonBlack2SS
05-17-2010, 12:16 PM
Sounds like what a muscle car should sound like. Thats what I want to do alittle later, need to raise some more funds, do more side jobs.I've already got a Rotofab,1 7/8 Kooks LT headers with high flow cats and a tune. Pulled 421HP 419TQ. I kept the stock exhaust on it for now, it actually sounds pretty good. What did that kit run you? Did you have to pay for the tune?


BADDLS1SS
05-17-2010, 01:13 PM
Sounds like what a muscle car should sound like. Thats what I want to do alittle later, need to raise some more funds, do more side jobs.I've already got a Rotofab,1 7/8 Kooks LT headers with high flow cats and a tune. Pulled 421HP 419TQ. I kept the stock exhaust on it for now, it actually sounds pretty good. What did that kit run you? Did you have to pay for the tune?

The cam i hand selected, the springs/pushrods came from TSP as their PRC 650 kit. I do all the tuning my self, and i moonlight at a speed shop with a mustang dyno so my car found its self strapped down on a sunday between customer cars lol

ULTIMATEORANGESS
05-17-2010, 01:44 PM
nice job. you think a FAST setup will add more power?

someday
05-17-2010, 02:50 PM
i can't believe anyone would even make a 1.625" header for these cars... hafta ask, y did u buy them knowing that they were so small?
and y do mustang dynos always use the weirdest rpm numbers?? 4009, 4317, 4624, whats up with that? y not just go every 250 so its easy to read, 4000, 4250, 4500... whats WCF that added 12hp/11tq?
thats a big cam, how does it run below 3200, thats where it looks like it comes on...

BADDLS1SS
05-17-2010, 03:10 PM
Because i dare to be different, and i couldnt beat the price lol. They seem to support this HP just fine though... so i have to ask, why go bigger at this point?

WCF is weather correction factor, just fixes the numbers for what it would be like at 70F and 20% humidity etc... the 484/444 are the raw, uncorrected #s.

Drives great for the most part, has some bucking that im trying to polish out right now with good success. WOT is done the driveabilty stuff ill dick with this week.

BADDLS1SS
05-17-2010, 03:13 PM
nice job. you think a FAST setup will add more power?

Another guy on here who i have been following, orangechevyII i think said he tried an fast 102 and didnt gain anything, anywhere?

jamnut
05-17-2010, 04:28 PM
I don't know what you paid for the Ebay headers, but I got a set of coated pacesetter 1.75" headers with connector pipes for $599. our cams are close, I have a little more duration on both ends & mine's a 113+2, but it's a nitrous cam, even thought it makes over 480 RWHP NA, over 670 on a 150 shot & don't have dyno numbers on the200 shot. Car has had the hell raced out of it, 9k miles & I see many years of 10 second passes in it before I build a bottom end.

BADDLS1SS
05-18-2010, 07:36 AM
I don't know what you paid for the Ebay headers, but I got a set of coated pacesetter 1.75" headers with connector pipes for $599. our cams are close, I have a little more duration on both ends & mine's a 113+2, but it's a nitrous cam, even thought it makes over 480 RWHP NA, over 670 on a 150 shot & don't have dyno numbers on the200 shot. Car has had the hell raced out of it, 9k miles & I see many years of 10 second passes in it before I build a bottom end.

A man after my own heart!

BADDLS1SS
06-06-2010, 08:58 PM
So here is one for the books! As you know i put the stock cat-back back on it, well i first dynoed it SINCE then today. The car belted out a max of 501.8HP and 460.7TQ today, and backed it up with a 499.6 and 457.0 immediately after! The highest tq was on the 1st pull at 466 ft/lbs! So it didnt loose power, it gained a few and gained a max of 15 ft/lbs and avg of 10 ft/lbs with the STOCK cat-back back on the car! Dyno sheets will get posted tomorrow and there was even video taken of the 499 pull and a celebration burnout vid where you can see the stock garbage cans for mufflers for any doubters hahah

ULTIMATEORANGESS
06-06-2010, 10:16 PM
very impressive.

MYSTIC-1SC
06-08-2010, 06:14 PM
congrats on the numbers.

redsap05
06-10-2010, 10:28 PM
My only issue with this is that its a mustang dyno which is notoriuous for reading low . Would be more believeable if you were on a dynojet. just saying.

Bryan921SS
06-11-2010, 02:00 PM
Nice numbers...looks like the cam swap was a little easier with RWD.

ludicrist2500hd
06-12-2010, 10:38 AM
You need to check your dyno settings , thats way way high , I'm sure you gained a lot but 500 whp on a mustang dyno is insane for cam only with stock heads ,,, Not hatin just amazed ,Thats like 550+ on a dyno jet ...

scottyk246
06-12-2010, 12:15 PM
I agree... I'm running 1 7/8" headers, full 3" exhaust and a much bigger cam, UD pulley, CAI etc. and only came in at 475 rwhp. And that was on a dynojet.

BADDLS1SS
06-14-2010, 12:44 PM
^^^^ Im sorry.

Red00
06-14-2010, 01:07 PM
You need to check your dyno settings , thats way way high , I'm sure you gained a lot but 500 whp on a mustang dyno is insane for cam only with stock heads ,,, Not hatin just amazed ,Thats like 550+ on a dyno jet ...

5 years ago that stuff about mustang dyno would be correct, but the newer mustang dynos I have seen read higher than a dynojet.

BADDLS1SS
06-15-2010, 10:18 AM
5 years ago that stuff about mustang dyno would be correct, but the newer mustang dynos I have seen read higher than a dynojet.

Id say this one is right on par with a dynojet. It was just checked up by MD back in Jan, as it always does once a year.

scottyk246
06-15-2010, 10:28 AM
That was only with a few hundred miles on the car though. Now with a few thousand miles it feels much more powerful so I'd imagine numbers increased as the engine broke in completely.

Johnnystock
06-15-2010, 10:09 PM
So here is one for the books! As you know i put the stock cat-back back on it, well i first dynoed it SINCE then today. The car belted out a max of 501.8HP and 460.7TQ today, and backed it up with a 499.6 and 457.0 immediately after! The highest tq was on the 1st pull at 466 ft/lbs! So it didnt loose power, it gained a few and gained a max of 15 ft/lbs and avg of 10 ft/lbs with the STOCK cat-back back on the car! Dyno sheets will get posted tomorrow and there was even video taken of the 499 pull and a celebration burnout vid where you can see the stock garbage cans for mufflers for any doubters hahah

1st, congrats for the nice work and results.

2nd, thats pretty sad/weird that your 1 5/8 ebay headers&stock catback seems more powerful than your JBA catback!! and looks to be as good as the big $$$ headers!!!

91ZLS1
06-18-2010, 11:13 PM
Something just doesn't seem right with 500rwhp cam only.

BADDLS1SS
06-20-2010, 09:35 PM
Something just doesn't seem right with 500rwhp cam only.

Ask the LS3 vette guys who do this quite regularly how right it is.

grantn
06-23-2010, 12:54 PM
Very nice.

ss1129
06-23-2010, 01:27 PM
Man I want to cam my car, but I got tired of DD a trex everyday, but I hate little cams. LOL oh the decisions.

06X6spdGTO
06-30-2010, 09:31 PM
Most 500RWHP LS3 Vette guys bump up the compression or have some head work along with some LG/Kooks/ARH LongTubes and possibly a ported intake. Lets not mention the fact that Corvettes have a less parasitic drivetrain due to a Trans Axle design

Im gonna say something is up with your dyno. Take it to a DynoJet and you might see what some are talking about.

The main thing is your happy tho!!

DaveX
07-03-2010, 04:15 PM
Very nice results. I am interested in seeing some track times.

TexaST-1
07-03-2010, 05:11 PM
I have a quick question.

How did you pull the cam without taking the heads off to pull the lifters?:secret2:

DietCoke
07-03-2010, 05:21 PM
I have a quick question.

How did you pull the cam without taking the heads off to pull the lifters?:secret2:

You dont need to pull the lifters...

TexaST-1
07-03-2010, 06:34 PM
You dont need to pull the lifters...

Nevermind...I get it!

SS MPSTR
07-03-2010, 08:06 PM
I have the same cam in my ZO6. Makes nice power.

396D1SS
07-03-2010, 11:20 PM
Most 500RWHP LS3 Vette guys bump up the compression or have some head work along with some LG/Kooks/ARH LongTubes and possibly a ported intake. Lets not mention the fact that Corvettes have a less parasitic drivetrain due to a Trans Axle design

Im gonna say something is up with your dyno. Take it to a DynoJet and you might see what some are talking about.

The main thing is your happy tho!!


i have seen a 500rwhp vette with just headers, x pipe, vararam, cam and tuning:D

stock intake
stock heads

06X6spdGTO
07-05-2010, 09:46 PM
What compression Ratio??

Did you know Trans Axle's are less parasitic also??
Do you have an SAE corrected dyno graph?
What Long Tubes??
What Octane for the tune??

The list goes on forever. Point being 500RWHP N/A with less than 400ci, No Head work, Stock Compression Ratio, STOCK Internals, 91-93 octane, on a dyno jet is a VERY hard task to accomplish!! Let alone using 1 5/8 Stock size primary Flea BAY Long Tubes.

But as long as the owner is happy so be it. Myself, I would be a bit leary on the Dyno Numbers as others have stated.

Lethal Z
07-06-2010, 10:45 PM
Very nice.

BlackNiteWS6
07-07-2010, 02:07 AM
Another guy on here who i have been following, orangechevyII i think said he tried an fast 102 and didnt gain anything, anywhere?

LOL..doesn't surprise me...i can't believe that people still think a FAST
in some majic intake that kills a GM intake...they don't and never really do.
It's hard to find people post that they went a faster ET with a FAST. I still love how TPIS proved that the LS6 intake is very good when they modded an LS6 intakes opening to 90mm. It out did the FAST and it only cost $350 when you send in your intake to them. And still LS6 intakes never split open and the FAST didn't even have a proper mounting system for the MAP. Thats a joke for the price they charged. I'll take my chances with my LS6 intake no matter what mods i do. If i ever go as big as a 427 i'd still use an LS7 intake, but never any FAST intakes. Just my opinion, to each is own. Let the FAST lovers scream away..LOL

Ryne @ CMS
09-12-2010, 02:58 PM
I have the same cam in my ZO6. Makes nice power.

but oddly with the same cam, but in a smaller ls3, not ls7 he is only making 40 less rwhp....

i have seen a 500rwhp vette with just headers, x pipe, vararam, cam and tuning:D

stock intake
stock heads

yeah they are called c6 z06's

these numbers are not real, the dyno correction factor is cranked up, you can see that clearly by the tq number, the motor simply does not have the enough dynamic compression with that cam and stock static compression ....
the OP can believe what he want or stay in denial of the truth... until you post up some quarter mile speeds to back his Hp this will go down as a BS dyno number

G8-4-speed
09-12-2010, 04:21 PM
Let's see some track numbers from that thing.:corn:

redsap05
10-21-2010, 06:37 PM
this post just goes to show the ls3 likes back pressure. Puts the stock catback on and gains power. I would like to know what this car runs at the track.

jamnut
10-21-2010, 09:30 PM
Calibration means a lot on Dyno's, as far as Mustangs reading low compared to Dynojet numbers, that's not always true. It's all in how the dyno is setup & how the correction factors are setup. It's nice knowing dyno numbers, but in the end a Dyno is just a tool used for tuning. A way to get a load on the engine to be able to datalog to be able to tune. My tuner has a dynojet that is notorious for putting out very conservative to low numbers compared to other dyno's in my area, but he doesn't tune for HP numbers, he tunes for track times. When we first tuned my car when it was just CAI, CAM, Muffler delete, it was only making 404 RWHP, lots of others claimed to make that power with just a CAI & Small cam, my cam is a pretty damn big.

I'm not sure if this is the same video I have in my signature, but listen to this,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEetM7I-vv8 it this is through mufflers but they are only bullets, I'm adding maganflow's shortly, I already have a set of oval Qtec's, just have to install them to bypass the maganflows for the track. My heads have been ported & milled since this video, but I did the retune on the street, so I don't know how much it added, probably another 20 or so RWHP.

I'm hoping to have gears & lightweight & shorter bogarts on it within the next few month's & I'll be shooting for 9's with the stock short block.

10camaross
07-02-2011, 12:21 PM
any track numbers?

SuperSlowLS3
07-05-2011, 07:58 PM
So what did it dyno before the cam on the Mustang Dyno?Dynos are just tuning tools,Id like to see what you gained

10camaross
07-07-2011, 05:09 PM
"i have gained 110 RWHP with everything i have done so far since i bought the car and dynoed it with 88 miles on it and made 391hp 388 tq. Not totally unheard of. Stock exhaust is pretty god damn good these days."

cpo
07-08-2011, 03:54 PM
You should have never mentioned the ebay headers, that's where a lot of this chatter is coming from....that and the fact they are only a blasphemous 1 5/8" diameter.

10camaross
07-23-2011, 01:07 AM
You should have never mentioned the ebay headers, that's where a lot of this chatter is coming from....that and the fact they are only a blasphemous 1 5/8" diameter.

There will always be chatter lol