Military Hotrod Club - Any Navy Seals logged on to LS1tech?

I've come to realise the Navy Seals is one of America's finest elete groups serving in our American military today..

I understand in order to become a Navy Seal you must have the mind set of "I'd rather die then quit". Needless to say you have to be a physical specimen, and a mental genuis just to get in.. If you have that then your mental toughness really has to be off the charts, and that is where most fall short...

I got a chance to visit Coronado, San Diego (Seal training base) Learned alot, and saw first hand what it takes to complete pool competency test, Demolitions and tactics, Bud/s, and then Hell week, etc..

200 extremely fit bodies maybe start and maybe if your lucky 30 finish when the Seal training is over.. It is truely a test of wil and determination, and I absolutely commend any Navy Seals that have passed all the tests to become one..

You are America's finest, no dought!!!! This is coming from an Air Force guy too.. I salute all you tough SOB's "hooyah" :usa:


Ps. I'm a 40 year old guy today, but I tell you if I could do it all over again and when I was 20 I would want to test my fortitude as a man, and a warrior and try to become a Navy Seal.. :hail:


Just finished a great book called "The Lone Survivor" Story of a Navy Seal team that kicked ass in the Middle East as well...


My question to any of you Navy Seals is how can you best describe your experience in "Hell Week" Seal training? How did you find it within you to finish?

If they told you then they would have to kill you immediately.

If they told you then they would have to kill you immediately.

I guess there are no Navy Seals hanging out on LStech.. Kinda expected that as they are few and far in between.. Thought I would try anyways, and get more of a low down..

Trying to get my Nef (18) to enlist and go for the Navy Seals program. He's stacked, mentally tough, MMA fighter, and a smart kid to boot.. Thinking he may have what it takes to become an elete Navy Seal..

The only problem with the Seals is they get called upon to do the most dangerous missions. You could die, that's for sure..

Green Beret and Air Bourne Rangers aren't too shabby either..:usa:

You're forgetting Recon Marines too. Dude's are nuts! :)

priceless

You're forgetting Recon Marines too. Dude's are nuts! :)



You mean the guys that SEALS rescue when they get lost?

Yeah, but still the US NAVY SEALS are commonly known as the highest and most elete military force that the US has to offer.. Even over the Green Berets, Marine Recon and Rangers. Seals are just trained and pushed at a higher level.. It is considered among most that they are the best the US military have to offer.

Infact it is argued world wide that only the English Military SAS (Special Air Forces) can compare to the US Navy Seal program..

http://www.eliteukforces.info/


http://articles.sfgate.com/2006-05-14/news/17295244_1_navy-seal-eight-seals-navy-s-elite

Haha each Special Operations has their own particular mission set...Each is specailized in their skill set...Believe me , there are others out there WAY above Seals...

Delta..

Delta..


Oh you mean the group that no one knows about, not even the government...lol

I watched a tv show about the SEALS, pretty hardcore shit, but each specialized group has its own mission and training. Where SEALS excel in one area, SF, Rangers, SAS, Recon, Spec Ops, excel in others.

they don't look so tough to me!!!!
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g127/jpurdy231/IMG_0746.jpg

they don't look so tough to me!!!!

What you dont know is that a Navy Seal has been living off the internals of that actually seal for months, and has managed to make a body suit out of it and he has swam thousands of miles into insurgent land and now is about to attack the insurgent onlookers.

Think outside the box with these guys.

I've come to realise there is no greater military force in the United States then the Navy Seals.

it really depends on what the mission is. for some missions that may be true.

nowadays many of the impressive units are not all from one branch or even all military.

I am a Delta Recon Ranger Seal.

Beat that shit.

Some of you guys are dogging out the Navy Seals, I probably would do the same until I got a first hand look and the knowledge of what it takes to become a Seal.. I would love to see if any of you guys can come close to completing the Navy Seal Program let alone even get in.

The demands are set extremely high, and sure there are other branches of the US Military that are elete or even more well suited to face a certain military situations then perhaps a trained Navy Seal.

As far as being the most elete military unit goes, it is the overall training and the intense training that makes the Navy Seal the most elete. Even the Navy Seal medical training is intense. Simple things like Moral standards are set very high as well. I think some of you guys need to really look into the program before you knock it..

It is really no joke at all... Getting thru BUD/S training will test your soul as a man from what I know.. They break you down and take you to the edge of insanity unlike no other training in the Military..

I'm an Air Force guy so for me to brag about the Navy is even tough for me.. Still I am just so incredibly impressed with the Navy Seal Program unlike no other.

That is all. Other Military elete Divisions I am sure are extremely well trained, and complete badass's as well, no disrespect intended on my part...:usa:

Some of you guys are dogging out the Navy Seals, I probably would do the same until I got a first hand look and the knowledge of what it takes to become a Seal.. I would love to see if any of you guys can come close to completing the Navy Seal Program let alone even get in.

The demands are set extremely high, and sure there are other branches of the US Military that are elete or even more well suited to face a certain military situations then perhaps a trained Navy Seal.

As far as being the most elete military unit goes, it is the overall training and the intense training that makes the Navy Seal the most elete. Even the Navy Seal medical training is intense. Simple things like Moral standards are set very high as well. I think some of you guys need to really look into the program before you knock it..

It is really no joke at all... Getting thru BUD/S training will test your soul as a man from what I know.. They break you down and take you to the edge of insanity unlike no other training in the Military..

I'm an Air Force guy so for me to brag about the Navy is even tough for me.. Still I am just so incredibly impressed with the Navy Seal Program unlike no other.

That is all. Other Military elete Divisions I am sure are extremely well trained, and complete badass's as well, no disrespect intended on my part...:usa:

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LMFAO....To the OP I'm glad you are impressed with them but no need to slobber on them about it...Ever heard of the Virginia Boys??? They are good at what they do yes... The standard of physical fitness can be achieved by anyone..Yes the selection process is brutal but with the proper train up and mind set you anyone can accomplish the physical part...Its the brains , ability , and training that puts SpecOps above the regular soldier....

it all is in the unit and your talking up the seals so much there just people last week my buddy and i had a 3 mile run to see who is faster he is a seal and i myself am a ranger to prove my point i beat him by almost a minute

I guess I touched a nerv with some of you guys....:violin:

I should have known there is alot of compitition between the Armed Forces and who's the toughest...


I guess if I was in a special division force in the Army, Airforce or Marines I would be pissed off too if someone was over hyping the Navy Seals. I might tell that dude to piss off..

My bad...:bomb:


:chug:

I guess I touched a nerv with some of you guys....:violin:

I should have known there is alot of compitition between the Armed Forces and who's the toughest...


I guess if I was in a special division force in the Army, Airforce or Marines I would be pissed off too if someone was over hyping the Navy Seals. I might tell that dude to piss off..

My bad...:bomb:


:chug:

From what I understand SEALs have the longest training, but Id say CCT and PJs are right up there with them.

CCT and PJs are right up there with them.

Not even in the same league.

The Israeli elete military forces are very solid as well..

Atleast that is what a close Israeli friend tells me that served in the Israeli military years ago.. He swears they are the best in the world, and I tell him no way!!!

The best military special forces in the world is a hand-picked group now called "Task Force 121". They used to be called Task Force 20 or "Gray Fox". The spearhead of the force is a forty-man team made up of operators from the U.S. Army's Delta Force, U.S. Army's INSCOM intelligence unit , the U.S. Navy's DEVGRU (Seal Team 6), the U.S. Army's 75th Ranger Regiment, the CIA's Special Activities Division, and the U.S. Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (a.k.a. SOAR, Nightstalkers.) Other Special Operations contributions will include U.S. Air Force Combat Controllers, and U.S. Air Force Pararescue. On occasions, operators from Coalition nations (particularly British and Australian SAS, Norwegian Marinejegerkommandoen, Canadian JTF2 and Polish GROM operators) augment the TF121 and provide direct and indirect operational assistance.

It basically takes the best personnel out of the worlds top military units (mainly American) and puts them in one small unit. I first heard about them when I was chatting up some special forces guys and they told me about Gray Fox.

i am a navy seal...................every now and then when i play Call Of Duty

The best military special forces in the world is a hand-picked group now called "Task Force 121". They used to be called Task Force 20 or "Gray Fox". The spearhead of the force is a forty-man team made up of operators from the U.S. Army's Delta Force, U.S. Army's INSCOM intelligence unit , the U.S. Navy's DEVGRU (Seal Team 6), the U.S. Army's 75th Ranger Regiment, the CIA's Special Activities Division, and the U.S. Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (a.k.a. SOAR, Nightstalkers.) Other Special Operations contributions will include U.S. Air Force Combat Controllers, and U.S. Air Force Pararescue. On occasions, operators from Coalition nations (particularly British and Australian SAS, Norwegian Marinejegerkommandoen, Canadian JTF2 and Polish GROM operators) augment the TF121 and provide direct and indirect operational assistance.

It basically takes the best personnel out of the worlds top military units (mainly American) and puts them in one small unit. I first heard about them when I was chatting up some special forces guys and they told me about Gray Fox.

I haven't heard of that..

Sounds like a down right scary unit of guys.. What missions would they go on? Seek and Destroy, reconnaissance, you name it I guess. Sounds like a force that is almost invincible to me..:chug:

This thread is awesome and so full of truth!

Not even in the same league.

you would be incorrect. :D

btw this thread is hilarious.

i guess since my class started with 22 and now i'm 1 of 2 graduating i'm super elite. :secret2:

The best military special forces in the world is a hand-picked group now called "Task Force 121". They used to be called Task Force 20 or "Gray Fox". The spearhead of the force is a forty-man team made up of operators from the U.S. Army's Delta Force, U.S. Army's INSCOM intelligence unit , the U.S. Navy's DEVGRU (Seal Team 6), the U.S. Army's 75th Ranger Regiment, the CIA's Special Activities Division, and the U.S. Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (a.k.a. SOAR, Nightstalkers.) Other Special Operations contributions will include U.S. Air Force Combat Controllers, and U.S. Air Force Pararescue. On occasions, operators from Coalition nations (particularly British and Australian SAS, Norwegian Marinejegerkommandoen, Canadian JTF2 and Polish GROM operators) augment the TF121 and provide direct and indirect operational assistance.

It basically takes the best personnel out of the worlds top military units (mainly American) and puts them in one small unit. I first heard about them when I was chatting up some special forces guys and they told me about Gray Fox.
nice copy/paste from wikipedia but that is a VERY old name. for the unit. they have gone through multiple name changes since then. Good group of guys to work with though, they have all sorts of nice gear and top notch support.

What missions would they go on?
they go after high value targets (saddam, UBL, etc)

Once again this thread delivers a big LOL!

The Navy Seals weapons of choice -

http://www.navyseals.com/?q=weapons-demo[/B


Does anyone have any experience with any of these toys? If so what can you say about each weapon.. Pros and cons..

I personally like the 7.62mm M14 rifle myself. I would like to try one of these bad boys out for hunting a deer one day.... Although, you'd probably blast bambi into pieces using one of these..

They are not cheap either..

[B]http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Category/659/Guns/Rifles/Springfield-Armory-Rifles/M1A-M14.htm


http://ruger.com/products/sr22/index.html?utm_source=Guns+America

the SEALS aren't going to be able to operate with this much weight swinging from their nuts.

The Navy Seals weapons of choice -

http://www.navyseals.com/?q=weapons-demo[/B


Does anyone have any experience with any of these toys? If so what can you say about each weapon.. Pros and cons..

I personally like the 7.62mm M14 rifle myself. I would like to try one of these bad boys out for hunting a deer one day.... Although, you'd probably blast bambi into pieces using one of these..

They are not cheap either..

[B]http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Category/659/Guns/Rifles/Springfield-Armory-Rifles/M1A-M14.htm


http://ruger.com/products/sr22/index.html?utm_source=Guns+America


Yep sure do. They kill bad guys effectively. :devil: :D

My understanding is that PJs go through all the sister service spec ops training, and then their own school too. All the spec ops guys are top-notch though. I would never say that any of them are bad. However, before going and saying that any one of the is "the best", learn a little more about all of them. Just because you've seen SOME of the training for one, doesn't mean you know they are the best of the best. As others have said, they each have their own mission. You're just coming off as a little un-educated on the subject and a rabid SEAL fan-boy. Nothing wrong with them, they are very good at what they do, just not the only option if you want to be the best.

The Taliban use mainly the AK47's these days, they took and stole them off the Russians mostly..

So that's what our military forces are mainly facing these days in combat, I still like our American made toys better.:usa:

M16, M14 or an AK47? Hmmm? Well, I do know those AK47's can spray and do some serious damage that's for sure..

oh come on guys how could you forget the A-Team.:engarde:

This is a funny thread ...im so glad im.getting out the 0311 field. 29 days left.

it all is in the unit and your talking up the seals so much there just people last week my buddy and i had a 3 mile run to see who is faster he is a seal and i myself am a ranger to prove my point i beat him by almost a minute

Bet you wouldn't beat him in a one mile swim though, and probably not a long edurance test either with alot of weight strapped onto your back..:secret2:

Seals are trained first in the Ocean and Water. Land too of course.

Lets see a team of Rangers row a boat full blast into a rocky shore line, navigating up to the big bolder rocks and surf and then carry the boat over your heads thru rocky bolders and onto the sandy shore..

Hell Week Bud/s - 60 hour straights, no sleep and with full out physical exertion.. That paritcular test in Hell Week I hear is where more then half the stacked recruits fail and ring that damn quit bell..

I hear they got ambulances and medical staffs right their to give immediate medical attention during the "Hell Week" Seal training.

Good luck with that shit. So you beat the Navy Seal in a run, whooopiee!!:chug:


Yeah, I'm sorta hyping the Navy Seals only because it is well deserved...I'm no kiss ass trust me.. Damn, I wish I could have tried my luck to become a Navy Seal years ago!!!.. Regrets, I have a few, but then again so few to mention... Sing it Frankie...:nod:

I'm an Air Force guy so for me to brag about the Navy is even tough for me..

Then you of all people should know that in the SpecOps community, Air Force ParaRescue (PJ) training is generally considered the toughest. And while I agree that SEAL training is one of the most rigorous and intense, try taking a look at some of the others before crowning the SEAL program king.

Just my .02

Bet you wouldn't beat him in a one mile swim though, and probably not a long edurance test either. With alot of weight strapped onto your back..:secret2:

Seals are trained first in the Ocean and Water. Land too of course.

Lets see a team of Rangers row a boat full blast into a rocky shore line, navigating up to the big bolder rocks and surf and then carry the boat over your heads thru rocky bolders and onto the sandy shore..

Hell Week Bud/s - 60 hour straights, no sleep and with full out physical exertion.. That paritcular test in Hell Week I hear is where more then half the stacked recruits fail and ring that damn quit bell..

I hear they got ambulances and medical staffs right there during the Hell Week training.

Good luck with that shit. So you beat the Navy Seal in a run, whooopiee!!:chug:


You really dont know what you are talking about do you. You should really listen to what others are saying. SEALs are very good at some things and not so good at others. Thier is a reason that the US military has so many different special units it is not just because they all want to be better than the others. We all have different jobs and different areas of focus. Sending in a seal platoon to run the unconventional war at the start of Astan probably wouldnt be the best idea, the same as sending my ODA to do a hit on a Navy vessel wouldnt be the best fit either. I have worked with a fair amount of seals and some of them are great dudes while others are not worth the name elite. Guess what the same goes for just about every elite force. Watching some seal training does not mean you know a dam thing

[QUOTE=SonicBoom;13361075]Then you of all people should know that in the SpecOps community, Air Force ParaRescue (PJ) training is generally considered the toughest. And while I agree that SEAL training is one of the most rigorous and intense, try taking a look at some of the others before crowning the SEAL program king.

Just my .02[/QUOTE)


Air Force Special Operations Command unit (AFSOC) are sick, and are actually right there with the Navy Seal program, you are right in a way, but the training is still different and just not as intense as the Seal training, Air Force Para Rescue is also a manly group of studs. I can't argue that!!!!

Infact, they all work together in teams on many missions in the past.. The elete forces are very friendly with other branches of the military from what I know..

This is a good thing.. :usa:

The Navy Seals weapons of choice -

http://www.navyseals.com/?q=weapons-demo[/B


Does anyone have any experience with any of these toys? If so what can you say about each weapon.. Pros and cons..

[B]I personally like the 7.62mm M14 rifle myself. I would like to try one of these bad boys out for hunting a deer one day.... Although, you'd probably blast bambi into pieces using one of these..

They are not cheap either..

http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Category/659/Guns/Rifles/Springfield-Armory-Rifles/M1A-M14.htm


http://ruger.com/products/sr22/index.html?utm_source=Guns+America

Isn't that not much more than a hot version of a .308 winchester round?

You might be able to take a deer with it but I wouldn't want to mess with any adult bears especially if you only had time to get off a single shot.

Roach

You really dont know what you are talking about do you. You should really listen to what others are saying. SEALs are very good at some things and not so good at others. Thier is a reason that the US military has so many different special units it is not just because they all want to be better than the others. We all have different jobs and different areas of focus. Sending in a seal platoon to run the unconventional war at the start of Astan probably wouldnt be the best idea, the same as sending my ODA to do a hit on a Navy vessel wouldnt be the best fit either. I have worked with a fair amount of seals and some of them are great dudes while others are not worth the name elite. Guess what the same goes for just about every elite force. Watching some seal training does not mean you know a dam thing

I'm not saying they are better served for certain missions then other specialized Military units.. You're obviously just reading what you want to read and not reading my posts correctly.. It's commonly known the Seal training program is one of the most intense and demanding.. It's proven and undisputed.. That is all.

Then you of all people should know that in the SpecOps community, Air Force ParaRescue (PJ) training is generally considered the toughest. And while I agree that SEAL training is one of the most rigorous and intense, try taking a look at some of the others before crowning the SEAL program king.

Just my .02

Just who is it that told you that. I am in SF and have worked with SEALs, Rangers, Marsoc and a few CAG dudes and I can honestly say that this is the first time I have ever heard that PJ training was considered to be the toughest.

The Taliban use mainly the AK47's these days, they took and stole them off the Russians mostly..

So that's what our military forces are mainly facing these days in combat, I still like our American made toys better.:usa:

M16, M14 or an AK47? Hmmm? Well, I do know those AK47's can spray and do some serious damage that's for sure..

A firefight greater than 200 yards and the AK out classed by the M16 and M14 Inside of that all bets are off.

Roach

Isn't that not much more than a hot version of a .308 winchester round?

You might be able to take a deer with it but I wouldn't want to mess with any adult bears especially if you only had time to get off a single shot.

Roach

Ok, that's the kind of information I am looking for... Thank you..:D

If I ever take on a Polar Bear or adult male Grizzly on I will keep this info. in mind.. I hear you though..

How about an elephant? What would be your choice of weapon to take down a charging adult elephant? :secret2:

Isn't that not much more than a hot version of a .308 winchester round?

You might be able to take a deer with it but I wouldn't want to mess with any adult bears especially if you only had time to get off a single shot.

Roach

A 7.62 is almost exactly the same as a 308 just like a 223 is almost exactly the same as a 556. It is the same round our SCAR-H, 240s, and m24 shoot. It is a good round that has been around a long time.

Just who is it that told you that. I am in SF and have worked with SEALs, Rangers, Marsoc and a few CAG dudes and I can honestly say that this is the first time I have ever heard that PJ training was considered to be the toughest.

Word up! I find this a bit strange being that one my close pesonal friends is a PJ (my old 2IC). He tells me stories about their pipeline and we laugh while reminiscing about our humble beginnings going through RIP and other lovely courses that we agree are much more hardcore along with our unit then too! :D

I'm not saying they are better served for certain missions then other specialized other Military units.. You're obviously just reading what you want to read and not reading my posts correctly.. I am saying just the Seal training is the most intense.. It's proven and undisputed.. That is all.

Proven and undisputed by who besides other seals. Is that the reasons SEALs sometimes go to other more elite units and dont always pass those selections. A seal graduated the Q course with me and said that some parts of seal training were harder and some were easier than the Q course. Kinds of puts that proven and undisputed claim of yours into question dosent it

Just who is it that told you that. I am in SF and have worked with SEALs, Rangers, Marsoc and a few CAG dudes and I can honestly say that this is the first time I have ever heard that PJ training was considered to be the toughest.

Well I spent a summer stationed in Hurlburt Field where some AF ParaRescue guys did some training Swamp training I think they were calling it. That shit was definitely intense. And all I ever seen was those guys doing pull ups and push ups. Every damn time they left their dorm they had to crank out some rediculous number of pull ups and each time they returned to enter their dorm they had to crank out some crazy number of pushups. A mere portion of the pre test in basic training simply to be considered to enter that program was absolutely ludicris. In the water up and back the length of the pool, out of the water, push ups, set ups... repeat.... that shit went on for well over the 40 minutes that I was assigned to mow the lawn out side of one of the bases gyms that pool was next to. I can't even imagine what those guys had to go through once they made the program. Not saying they're the elite force but DAMN THOSE GUYS WERE GETTING TRAINED BIG TIME. My wrestling practices in high school might be the closest I ever came to being trained that hard. All I can say is that I'm glad those guys are out there. Sure saved my ass from having to do all that work. Not to mention I don't think I'd be so good at dodging bullets either.

Roach

Just who is it that told you that. I am in SF and have worked with SEALs, Rangers, Marsoc and a few CAG dudes and I can honestly say that this is the first time I have ever heard that PJ training was considered to be the toughest.

Just seems to be a general consensus among those I've talked to over the years (a group that includes active and former members of just about every SO or SO-capable unit). Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it IS the toughest, just what the majority seem to agree on (mostly from an endurance/fatigue standpoint). Personally, I rank them a little differently myself, but I am probably a little biased.

Proven and undisputed by who besides other seals. Is that the reasons SEALs sometimes go to other more elite units and dont always pass those selections. A seal graduated the Q course with me and said that some parts of seal training were harder and some were easier than the Q course. Kinds of puts that proven and undisputed claim of yours into question dosent it

From what I've learned that is only one aspect of the Seal Training.. Look up the complete program or ask your Seal friend about the entire program and what is involved. You may change your tune..

I've served and visited a few of elete military training programs.. With all due respect, I find your post to be incorrect, sorry.....


Damn, I wish there was a Navy Seal on this thread backing me on my claims..:bang:

Word up! I find this a bit strange being that one my close pesonal friends is a PJ (my old 2IC). He tells me stories about their pipeline and we laugh while reminiscing about our humble beginnings going through RIP and other lovely courses that we agree are much more hardcore along with our unit then too! :D

You have to love the fanboys of this or that SPEC OP unit with no real connection or knowledge of anything in the community seem to think they know more than the people actually in the community.

That is only one aspect of the Seal Training.. Look up the complete program or ask your Seal friend about the entire program and what is involved. You may change your tune..

I'm becoming a bit of an historian for elete military groups these days. I've served and visited alot of elete military training programs.. With all due respect, I find your post to be incorrect, sorry.....


What is one aspect of seal training. The guy was a SEAL for 6 years before he got out and came over to SF. We were talking about the whole SF pipeline vs the SEAL pipeline. You visiting a train program gives you no where near a leg to stand on in this conversation.

You have to love the fanboys of this or that SPEC OP unit with no real connection or knowledge of anything in the community seem to think they know more than the people actually in the community.


No shit dude! It always cracks me up when people with zero to little experience tell people how it is! Froggy's rule mentality is dumb when it is only one way to get to work. I would rather use and exercise the many others that there are. Slaap lekker vrouwen...:chug:

In short- Jibby quit running your jibs about shit you have no clue about.

What is one aspect of seal training. The guy was a SEAL for 6 years before he got out and came over to SF. We were talking about the whole SF pipeline vs the SEAL pipeline. You visiting a train program gives you no where near a leg to stand on in this conversation.

Ok, well then this is news to me.. I can't speak because I am not either, you're right.. I guess I have to take your word for it then, since you're on the inside and I am on the outside looking in..

I am a humble American patriot and only looking for the true facts, thank you. I will definetely look deeper into this discussion..:usa:

Ok, that's the kind of information I am looking for... Thank you..:D

If I ever take on a Polar Bear or adult male Grizzly on I will keep this info. in mind.. I hear you though..

How about an elephant? What would be your choice of weapon to take down a charging adult elephant? :secret2:

An elephant gun of course...Duh...:D

Roach

You have to love the fanboys of this or that SPEC OP unit with no real connection or knowledge of anything in the community seem to think they know more than the people actually in the community.

Not sure if this was directed at me or not, but as a former 0321 I can assure you that I have at least a tiny bit of knowledge about the community and am not a "fanboy" of anyone.

Obviously Jibbys exposure to the Seal training has managed to give Jibby a Chubby...:sack:


:D

Roach

Not sure if this was directed at me or not, but as a former 0321 I can assure you that I have at least a tiny bit of knowledge about the community and am not a "fanboy" of anyone.

I think that was intended more so for the OP.. At least that's my take on it.

Roach

Well this has been fun girls but I gotta hit the sack.

Odark hundred comes early and lights out was hours ago.


Take care ladies.

One more thing,

Thanks to all the Squids, Jarheads, groundpounders and even you flyboys out there for serving this great nation.


Oooh-Rah!

Roach

Not sure if this was directed at me or not, but as a former 0321 I can assure you that I have at least a tiny bit of knowledge about the community and am not a "fanboy" of anyone.

Not to you dude. No worrys

An elephant gun of course...Duh...:D

Roach


Well then that would be either a .600 Nitro Express, .700 Nitro Express, .416 Rigby, .458 Win Mag, .557 Tyrannosaurus, .458 Lott are just a few to name that can bring down an Elephant just for the record..

I personally own a .375 H&H Magnum that I think will kill an elephant dead in it's tracks.:D


Not a Navy Seal Nut Hugger, just respect their intense program.. Relax Roach...

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Well then that would be either a .600 Nitro Express, .700 Nitro Express, .416 Rigby, .458 Win Mag, .557 Tyrannosaurus, .458 Lott are just a few to name that can bring down an Elephant just for the record..

I personally own a .375 H&H Magnum that I think will kill an elephant dead in it's tracks.:D


Not a Navy Seal Nut Hugger, just respect their intense program.. Relax Roach...

Sorry dude but you sound exactly like a nut hugger. You know almost nothing about what you are talking about, refuse to listen to people that know more than you, and have no facts to back up what you are saying other than your own feelings. Pretty much exactly the definition of a nutt hugger.

Ok guys take it easy, some of you lads are getting just a little hostile on my shit.. Not cool!!!

Alrighty then, I guess I'm a Seal nut hugger, so be it...I've been called worse before....:chug:

01turdbird are you with fifth group

ive come played rescue, secure, and cordon..... even let some ride for free, still love ya, all branches, each and everyone of them has their needs and special talents, but i still like to say we are the sexiest, Playboy and Maxxim have confirmed that in previous issues ;)
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Abrams_Pics/M1A1-Bagdad-RunningOver-02.jpg

That looks like an older Camaro of Firebird that tank rolled over^^^^^ Not cool!!!

Still, a little bondo, some minor frame straightening and a little paint touch up and it's as good as new:D

if you cant see that its a 4 door car then maybe someone needs to go back and do some retention training on some Vehicle Identification

if you cant see that its a 4 door car then maybe someone needs to go back and do some retention training on some Vehicle Identification

I thought that was the door from the other side of the car actually.. I guess you're right though, thanks.. :chug:

01turdbird are you with fifth group

No. 1st group.

looks for the navy seal sniper video in youtube holy shit....

Ahhhh, this is hilarious. I just might need more tequila...

It never ceases to amaze me at the shit someone with no grasp on reality can stir up

Besides, this proves sf training is the most hardcore. By far

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hnG7kuam8

bwhahahaha, love it

The Israeli elete military forces are very solid as well..

Atleast that is what a close Israeli friend tells me that served in the Israeli military years ago.. He swears they are the best in the world, and I tell him no way!!!I worked with SEALS quite a bit while in the NAVY and I can tell you that some of them told me they were impressed with Israeli Commandos. That went a long way with me, but I think they're probably about equal. Being a former sailor, I am biased. I also worked with ARMY and MARINES, btw.

No need to knock any branch, for sure. But SEALS deserve their recognition because their training isn't just the tremendously difficult 6mo most people believe it to be. It takes over a year to become an "operator" in that group.

I worked with SEALS quite a bit while in the NAVY and I can tell you that some of them told me they were impressed with Israeli Commandos.

That is exactly what my best friend keeps telling me as he served in the Israeli Army before coming to America.. He had a look at the Commandos first hand. He also visited the Navy Seals training base in Coronado last year with me. He never changed his tune even after the visit to Coronado..

I was like ok if you say so, I guess the Israeli special forces are for real.

Navy Seal information..

Not a fanboy, just proud of all the elete US Military forces which include the Navy Seals. All the badass elete units that swear to fight and die for the cause of providing the very freedoms which we all enjoy everyday here in the United States of America. Call me what you want, but that is where I am coming from..:nod:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJEhyXSYhA&feature=related

That is exactly what my best friend keeps telling me as he served in the Israeli Army before coming to America.. He had a look at the Commandos first hand. He also visited the Navy Seals training base in Coronado last year with me. He never changed his tune even after the visit to Coronado..

I was like ok if you say so, I guess the Israeli special forces are for real.

Visitng a training center dosent mean you know crap about a unit. I am sure I could make air force basic training seem hard to someone just visiting. FYI SF training is a year long or more depending on your MOS.

Visitng a training center dosent mean you know crap about a unit. I am sure I could make air force basic training seem hard to someone just visiting. FYI SF training is a year long or more depending on your MOS.
lol, man just deep breath and laugh, it like arguing with a Honda who did a fly-by after you hit the breaks and slowing down and he claims to win the race.

Well at least the seals are getting a kick outa this guy.

But seriously, a few people need to take GI Jane off repeat and live life a little

Why does it seem as if the last 3 posts(among others) are just trying to degrade, or at least downgrade the SEAL program? It's not like JIBBBY is trying to tell anyone that he knows all about becoming a SEAL or any other SF operator. He's just telling us that he was in awe of their training as he saw it. Is there really something wrong with that? I don't think so. I was in awe of things I saw at Ft. Benning when my brother was there back in 1983... Comparatively, it looked like a cake walk vs the BUD/S program... It's an opinion and we're all entitled to one of our own. :D

Perhaps you missed my video? Obviously this is a very serious topic, and those discussing it are clearly the subject matter experts

Besides, this proves sf training is the most hardcore. By far

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hnG7kuam8

:lol:

I'm actually seriously considering going Army this time around with a definite eye toward 18B, so this video actually gave me a good hard laugh. I was looking for the Onion News Network logo somewhere on the video. Don't know who did this, but it was funny.

You guys are tough, I give up.. I don't claim to know all that much and I am not a Navy Seal. I just was very impressed with the Seal program and it's training when I visited and spoke with a few Navy Seals first hand.. I can't seem to say anything right on this thread..:bang:

Carry on lads and have a good day, I apologise if I offended anyone..:chug:

I've come to realise there is no greater military force in the United States then the Navy Seals.

I understand in order to become a Navy Seal you must have the mind set of "I'd rather die then quit". Needless to say you have to be a physical specimen, and a mental genuis just to get in.. If you have that then your mental toughness really has to be off the charts, and that is where most fall short...

I got a chance to visit Coronado, San Diego (Seal training base) Learned alot, and saw first hand what it takes to complete pool competency test, Demolitions and tactics, Bud/s, and then Hell week, etc..

200 extremely fit bodies maybe start and maybe if your lucky 30 finish when the Seal training is over.. It is truely a test of wil and determination, and I absolutely commend any Navy Seals that have passed all the tests to become one..

You are America's finest, no dought!!!! This is coming from an Air Force guy too.. I salute all you tough SOB's "hooyah" :usa:


Ps. I'm a 40 year old guy today, but I tell you if I could do it all over again and when I was 20 I would want to test my fortitude as a man, and a warrior and try to become a Navy Seal.. :hail:


Just finished a great book called "The Lone Survivor" Story of a Navy Seal team that kicked ass in the Middle East as well...


My question to any of you Navy Seals is how can you best describe your experience in "Hell Week" Seal training? How did you find it within you to finish?

Qouting from a Sgt of mine whenever I or someone else talk highly of him or another high ranking person.... Are you gonna get on your knees and suck his dick too?

Sorry had to say it.

USMC all the way

Why does it seem as if the last 3 posts(among others) are just trying to degrade, or at least downgrade the SEAL program? It's not like JIBBBY is trying to tell anyone that he knows all about becoming a SEAL or any other SF operator. He's just telling us that he was in awe of their training as he saw it. Is there really something wrong with that? I don't think so. I was in awe of things I saw at Ft. Benning when my brother was there back in 1983... Comparatively, it looked like a cake walk vs the BUD/S program... It's an opinion and we're all entitled to one of our own. :D

lol, open your eyes, no one is degrading the Seals, everyone is on a page of RESPECT, for every aspect of every Special Operations group our wonderful country has, he wants to come in and degrade, the Army, Marine Corps, and Air Force with something that he truely has no clue about. Go back and look, no one said down about the Seals, but he can't help but keep talking down about other branches, he needs to grow up and realize that everyone wears the same FLAG and does their part. Shit I bet a a pac clerk who goes to the gym everyday while others clean their Armory's or working on Vic's in the motorpol could out run some of the elite guys who have more things to do then run. Obviously he really does not know what it is like, that is why, everyone here is talking shit to him, not the Seals.

My vote goes to Special Forces (no disrespect to the rest of the spec ops community, just my humble opinion)

Read "Chosen Soldier" by Dick Couch. Its a detailed account of when he followed soldiers through U.S. Army Special Forces training. And explains how they are the most well rounded individuals in the spec ops community.

And its and unbiased book due to the fact that the author was never in the army, but rather a Navy Seal in Vietnam.

And to JIBBBY........."Even the Navy Seal medical training is intense."........All of the medics in the spec ops community go to the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Facility which is part of the U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School and i cannot speak for the rest of the spec ops community but 18D (Special Forces Medic) is definitely the longest and arguably the most intense MOS course the special forces have.

Read "Chosen Soldier" by Dick Couch. Its a detailed account of when he followed soldiers through U.S. Army Special Forces training. And explains how they are the most well rounded individuals in the spec ops community.

+1 on recommending reading Chosen Soldier. It is a great book.

+1 on recommending reading Chosen Soldier. It is a great book.

I will read the book "Chosen Soldier". Thanks for the tip!!!!

I just got finished reading the book "Lone Survivor" written by Marcus Luttrell, National #1 best seller.

A true story of Navy Seal Team 10 going deep into Afgan on a recon mission, they get their position compromised by a couple of passing bye Afgan goat herders near a huge hostile Taliban camp. The Seal team is then faced with either the decision to kill the two goat herders and or let them go free and risk that they don't tell the Taliban of their hidden where abouts. They end up letting them go and it turns out to be a big mistake. Over 200 Taliban fighters then come straight forward to kill the Seal Team of 4 people.. I won't tell you the rest, it's intense and beyond belief. An incoming Heli is also shot down by an RPG also killing 12 American special forces members which is very sad. They were trying to rescue and come to the aid of the ambushed Navy Seal team.. Great book and a must read..

lol, open your eyes, no one is degrading the Seals, everyone is on a page of RESPECT, for every aspect of every Special Operations group our wonderful country has, he wants to come in and degrade, the Army, Marine Corps, and Air Force with something that he truely has no clue about. Go back and look, no one said down about the Seals, but he can't help but keep talking down about other branches, he needs to grow up and realize that everyone wears the same FLAG and does their part. Shit I bet a a pac clerk who goes to the gym everyday while others clean their Armory's or working on Vic's in the motorpol could out run some of the elite guys who have more things to do then run. Obviously he really does not know what it is like, that is why, everyone here is talking shit to him, not the Seals.

You're out of your mind if you think I would ever put down or degrade the Army, Marines, and or the Air Force. Dude open your eyes, I may have over praising the Seals in a few of my posts, but in many posts I commended all our elete military forces..

Stop trying to start shit with me, you are gravely mistaken with this post of yours!!!!!:bang: Hell, I even apologised twice if I accidently did offend.. So back off Rambo!!!!


This is the military section of the LS1Tech, just wanted to start a thread on the Navy Seals. Talk and commend their intense training, and nothing more. I personally wanted to find out first hand from some Seals what it was like getting thru BUD/S in hell week.. So many fail and quit and ring that damn bell. That was my only intension on this thread..

I will read the book "Chosen Soldier".

I just got finished reading the book "Lone Survivor" National #1 best seller.

A true story of Navy Seal Team #10 going deep into Afgan on a recon mission, they get their position compromised by a couple of passing bye Afgan goat herders near a huge hostile Taliban camp. The Seal team is faced with either the decision to kill the two goat herders and or let them go free and risk that they don't tell the Taliban of their hiden where abouts. They end up letting them go and it turns out to be a big mistake. Over 200 Taliban fighters then come straight forward to kill a Seal Team of 4.. I won't tell you the rest. An incoming Heli is also shot down by an RPG also killing 12 American special forces members which is very sad. They were trying to rescue the Seal team.. Great book and a must read..


I remember that incident but haven't read the book yet. I'll have to go pick up a copy.

It would've been ok if you were just like, hey I went to such and such place and witnessed such and such group "train" and it was badass, cool etc etc. But no you went out and stated repeatedly the group you watched was completely badass and the best there has ever been. That no one or other group is capable of what they can do. I admire your fascination with the seals but coming out like you did,you should be prepared for the backlash from the branchs SO's. Just my 2 cents

lol, open your eyes, no one is degrading the Seals, everyone is on a page of RESPECT, for every aspect of every Special Operations group our wonderful country has, he wants to come in and degrade, the Army, Marine Corps, and Air Force with something that he truely has no clue about. Go back and look, no one said down about the Seals, but he can't help but keep talking down about other branches, he needs to grow up and realize that everyone wears the same FLAG and does their part. Shit I bet a a pac clerk who goes to the gym everyday while others clean their Armory's or working on Vic's in the motorpol could out run some of the elite guys who have more things to do then run. Obviously he really does not know what it is like, that is why, everyone here is talking shit to him, not the Seals.You say no one is degrading SEALs... What about...

Haha each Special Operations has their own particular mission set...Each is specailized in their skill set...Believe me , there are others out there WAY above Seals...
or...
they don't look so tough to me!!!!
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or.. the comparison here, looking like an angle to suggest army Rangers are better based on running?it all is in the unit and your talking up the seals so much there just people last week my buddy and i had a 3 mile run to see who is faster he is a seal and i myself am a ranger to prove my point i beat him by almost a minute

And those were all from page one. ALL special operations groups deserve serious respect for what they do. SEAL training is considered the most intense by many, and perhaps most, probably due to it's length and dropout rate. Ranger school has a massive D/O rate as well, but isn't quite so long. I think a man can complete either, if only he has the mindset of something along the lines of "I'd rather DIE than quit!"

FWIW, I think many BUD/S candidates drop out strictly because of all the time spent in the water, which is cold and choppy most of the time. It's by no means the only reason, but that water can brutalize a mans mind in no time.

The aquatic environment (water) is the ultimate equalizer! Just remember you become part of the food chain when you enter the ocean.

Thanks guys, I guess some of you understand where I am coming from and my true intensions of starting this thread was not to put down or degrade anyone, belittle or sell short any other divisions of our military groups, etc... I got full respect for all our military groups, really. Yes, and we all do fly the same flag...

I just wanted to find out more information about the true nature of our elete armed forces first hand from some of you guys currently serving that are logged on.. Why not? This is the military section right? I just am trying to get a grip on why the drop out rate is so high in the Seal program, etc. What really breaks the man ultimately when he has already gotten that far thru the program to just quit and walk out on his life time goal, team, commitment and dreams...

It appears from what I am reading the constant exposure to sea water, cold temps, lack of sleep, in your face drilling, etc. That eventually breaks your spirit and mind down I suppose and it's not even so much the actual physical fatigue.. Thanks...

It sounds like your questions would be best answered by quiters, Jibbby. They're the only ones who know what made them break down.

The fatigue aspect is quite real though, in the sense of breaking these tough men mentally(that's the tool, fatigue)... That is to say, they quit because their mind says this is too much to handle. We all have a breaking point. Training like BUD/S tends to find that point rather quickly for most.

The mental aspect is where most are separated from any serious warrior training... The body simply follows instructions from the mind. A broken bone can usually recover quickly in a young man... A broken mind... not so much. Some men realize their mind holds the key only after having dropped out before... and go back and try again, many of those completing the training.

It sounds like your questions would be best answered by quiters, Jibbby. They're the only ones who know what made them break down.Nah... The instructors can answer too because they watch the quitters until they quit and those who don't... Those who don't quit are keen on this too, because they see others "break" under the pressure.

Visitng a training center dosent mean you know crap about a unit. I am sure I could make air force basic training seem hard to someone just visiting. FYI SF training is a year long or more depending on your MOS.

As trivial as you make that sound I personally made it thru the actual Air Force basic training program and do know first hand what that is all about.. You really can't knock me on that one tough guy:nod:

I didn't just visit and get stationed in Columbus AFB, in Mississippi for 4 years to smell the roses and get private tours. That was immediate hell for me actually coming from sunny California.. I did actually end up working on some of America's finest flying war machines at the time. Unfortunately being 6'5" and 230lbs I just couldn't fit in any of the damn things to actually fly one..:bang:

This is why I may have a regret and possibly a slight fascination for the Navy Seal program.. I think physically I would have been better suited for that. Reason being I'd like to think I am a very good swimmer and not too shabby of a surfer either.:chug:

The fatigue aspect is quite real though, in the sense of breaking these tough men mentally(that's the tool, fatigue)... That is to say, they quit because their mind says this is too much to handle. We all have a breaking point. Training like BUD/S tends to find that point rather quickly for most.

The mental aspect is where most are separated from any serious warrior training... The body simply follows instructions from the mind. A broken bone can usually recover quickly in a young man... A broken mind... not so much. Some men realize their mind holds the key only after having dropped out before... and go back and try again, many of those completing the training.

Excellent post...Thank you..

As trivial as you make that sound I personally made it thru the actual Air Force basic training program and do know first hand what that is all about.. You really can't knock me on that one tough guy:nod:

I didn't just visit and get stationed in Columbus AFB, in Mississippi for 4 years to smell the roses and get private tours. That was immediate hell for me actually coming from sunny California.. I did actually end up working on some of America's finest flying war machines at the time. Unfortunately being 6'5" and 230lbs I just couldn't fit in any of the damn things to actually fly one..:bang:

This is why I may have a regret and possibly a slight fascination for the Navy Seal program.. I think physically I would have been better suited for that. Reason being I'd like to think I am a very good swimmer and not too shabby of a surfer either.:chug:

Sorry about making it seem like I was putting down AF basic. All I meant was you can make just about anything seem hard if all you are seeing small handpicked parts.

the shitty part about bud/s is even if you pass you still have to be selected by the team by way of a sit down if they dont like the way you carry yourself or think or act your out. sure you've completed the training and to ALL special forces units, will respect that, trust me. and as said they are the best at what THEY do, every unit has its own focus and specialty, to which get chosen by the needs of the mission or task at hand. except the chairforce they just sit back and chillax while the real men do the work lol

Nah... The instructors can answer too because they watch the quitters until they quit and those who don't... Those who don't quit are keen on this too, because they see others "break" under the pressure.

I've had plenty of classmates quit beside me in the schools/places I've been. Sure we were all tired, sleep deprived, physically degraded, freezing cold/sweltering hot, etc but aside from the sucky conditions I couldn't tell you "why" they quit and the rest of us carried on. I'm talking that moment of self awareness when they decided it truly wasn't for them. Everyone I've ever had this conversation with, be it Army/Air Force/Marine/Navy SOF, we're all in the same boat.

best thread ever.

I've had plenty of classmates quit beside me in the schools/places I've been. Sure we were all tired, sleep deprived, physically degraded, freezing cold/sweltering hot, etc but aside from the sucky conditions I couldn't tell you "why" they quit and the rest of us carried on. I'm talking that moment of self awareness when they decided it truly wasn't for them. Everyone I've ever had this conversation with, be it Army/Air Force/Marine/Navy SOF, we're all in the same boat.I get ya on that... I'm just looking at the overall answer being almost the same across the board... "I just couldn't see doing it anymore" or a similar answer, once they get a little rest and can think straight again. Awhile later, many seem to decide that was their mistake... quitting itself. During training, it's basically a job for the instructors to weed out those who's minds aren't in it... The rest, particularly before Hell week in the BUD/S program, is almost simply physical fitness (gone awry).

A long time friend of mine dropped out of BUD/S and when I asked him why, he said, "The damned instructor made me do 6 stinkin' pull ups and he just WOULDN'T count past FIVE!" I laughed a little, but then saw the pure anguish in his eyes as he told me all he wanted to do at that moment was beat the guy into unconsciousness... But that he figured he'd just get a beat down for various reasons, like being totally exhausted after 30-odd pull ups (and the rest of his day) and the fact his instructor was already a SEAL with full training and some 9yrs service. I felt bad for him, but I laughed again anyway... It was just too darned funny... to me. :D That friend left the NAVY and joined the Corps... THAT'S when I knew he was truly mad over it.

No one ever quits bud/s right, it's the instructors fault or they were med dropped right?!

No one ever quits bud/s right, it's the instructors fault or they were med dropped right?!That's a moronic comment, right after we've been talking about why people quit... Nobody said the instructors made them quit or that they're med dropped. While many are med dropped, that hasn't even been discussed yet.

I never said the instructors made anyone quit, just quoting that your buddy is obviously out of BUD/S because the instructor couldn't count past 5, not in any part because of your buddies obvious physical prowess on the pull up bar.

I never said the instructors made anyone quit, just quoting that your buddy is obviously out of BUD/S because the instructor couldn't count past 5, not in any part because of your buddies obvious physical prowess on the pull up bar.He's out because he gave up when the instructor held a 5 count... It wasn't a case of the instructor not being able to count, but a refusal, just to see what the candidate would do, or how long he'd keep trying.

That happened about 25yrs ago, so he's out... altogether.

You weren't quoting anything... You we being an ass.

guilty as charged.

You say no one is degrading SEALs... What about...


or...

or.. the comparison here, looking like an angle to suggest army Rangers are better based on running?

And those were all from page one. ALL special operations groups deserve serious respect for what they do. SEAL training is considered the most intense by many, and perhaps most, probably due to it's length and dropout rate. Ranger school has a massive D/O rate as well, but isn't quite so long. I think a man can complete either, if only he has the mindset of something along the lines of "I'd rather DIE than quit!"

FWIW, I think many BUD/S candidates drop out strictly because of all the time spent in the water, which is cold and choppy most of the time. It's by no means the only reason, but that water can brutalize a mans mind in no time.

and u dont consider that backlash after someone is degrading another branch that they are in, if you cant laugh at the actual animal seal then ur panties are in bunch

Ive trained alongside a few and I'll say it takes a unique person to be a Navy SEAL

...and please, out of respect for those gentleman who have volunteered to do what 99.99% of the general population cannot, capitalize all four letters - SEAL

a SEAL is one bad mofo
a Seal is a stupid f'king animal

Semper Fi

and u dont consider that backlash after someone is degrading another branch that they are in, if you cant laugh at the actual animal seal then ur panties are in bunchI was merely pointing out what happened as we saw it. No other branch had been degraded. If saying you think the SEAL is the best overall seems degrading to others, it's you who has his panties in a bunch. Most of those I dealt with in service agreed, SEALs are indeed "all that."

I have way more respect for Navy SEALs than to not find it rather offensive that anyone may use the animal to define or ID them. As a pejorative or joke, it's disrespectful. Any actual SEAL may laugh, but they get to choose as the rest of us. I choose to dislike it.

I posted the picture of the baby Seal. It was found last week alone on Bud/s beach behind the O course alone and seaworld came and picked it up. I thought it was funny as fuck and with all the myths and nut swinging going on in this thread, rather appropriate to poke fun at it. A marine wouldn't get upset if I posted a picture of a bulldog, and I don't get upset about little baby seal pictures.

You guys are tough, I give up.. I don't claim to know all that much and I am not a Navy Seal. I just was very impressed with the Seal program and it's training when I visited and spoke with a few Navy Seals first hand.. I can't seem to say anything right on this thread..:bang:

Carry on lads and have a good day, I apologise if I offended anyone..:chug:

I havent seen anything that should offend anyone. I have seen SEALs and other SF members in action at a training facility not far from where I live. They are all elite and deserve our respect. Watching these guys do live fire excersises is awe inspiring.

I have a great friend who is a SEAL. He is one of the most humble people I know. And he brings me cool shit from overseas <big grin>

One of my proudest posessions is a U.S. flag that was carried during operations in Iraq that he gave me.

I dont think asking about one elite group takes anything away from the others. They are all the best America has to offer and I would buy any one of them a beer.

This thread got really good, and civil, well almost civil... That's what I was looking for, that's great.. We are getting some quality replies now, thank's fellas..:cheers:

I've heard that even Demolitions and Tactics can break and rattle you as well, is that true?. Apparently your already spent, tired and asleep then all of the sudden all hell break loose just like that.. With explosion sounds, structured Kaos, Pyrotechnics, darkness, etc.. Total disorientation is what I was told. Apparently, one minute you're completely sound asleep and the next minute it seems like your in pure hell..

Is that accurate? I'm I describing parts of demolotions and tactics training correctly?

One the instructors at Coronado that I got to speak with told me it's not that common but he has seen a few guys freak out and even quit in that phase of training.. Just break mentally and freak out..

Can anyone describe and talk about Demolitions and tactics? I would be interested in hearing the lowdown on that phase of the Seal training...

best thread ever.

Why do I get the feeling you are a Navy Seal..:secret2: Your just liking this thread way too much..:D

You guys play it stealthly even on the threads too?

Why do I get the feeling you are a Navy Seal..:secret2: Your just liking this thread way too much..:D

You guys play it stealthly even on the threads too?

Considering his name...I doubt he is a SEAL..

Considering his name...I doubt he is a SEAL..

I agree. no legitimate SEAL would ever call himself by such a name.

I posted the picture of the baby Seal. It was found last week alone on Bud/s beach behind the O course alone and seaworld came and picked it up. I thought it was funny as fuck and with all the myths and nut swinging going on in this thread, rather appropriate to poke fun at it. A marine wouldn't get upset if I posted a picture of a bulldog, and I don't get upset about little baby seal pictures.A SEABEE wouldn't get mad about the bee either... Because that's their chosen mascot, just like the bulldog was chosen be Marines... As was "Bill the goat" by the Navy as a whole.

Btw, when you added your post, there were hardly any made at all... so to claim "all the nutswinging" is merely your "out" ... Nobody's all pissed off about it, but the facts remain, that's all.

A firefight greater than 200 yards and the AK out classed by the M16 and M14 Inside of that all bets are off.

Roach

Just reading over this thread now, I overlooked this post..

Well, in this case of long distant fire fights, I would venture to guess a prepared Navy Seal team would come equiped with either the M4 or the Mark 12 rifles and not an M16 or M14. Just a wild guess...

According to this vid the M16 was indeed more accurate at 200 yards and it wasn't even close, but the AK47 is a much more powerful weapon for penetrating objects.. Have a look for yourself..

This is one of the better comparison vids that I've seen...4.29 seconds of very good ballistic knowledge on both weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0&feature=related

Just incase some on lookers aren't familiar with these.. I'm obviously trying to make this an informative thread of sorts.. Any thoughts on these two weapons of choice for long distant fire fights?

The M4 is a very capable weapon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKehYJGCFs

The Mark 12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx_RX-IAI-I

I remember that incident but haven't read the book yet. I'll have to go pick up a copy.

This is the incident, the book is a great read (Lone Survivor), the book practically just puts you right their in the fire fight practically.. Very well written, and it's frigg'n nuts!! Very discriptive and accurate accounts of the tragic events that transpired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPLCKdI_fs&feature=related

Personally, I think they should have wasted those two goat herders and the boy that discovered that Seal team on the mountain top, even though they were presumed innocent and not Taliban.. The liberal media put the fear of jail in that Seal team, and that ultimately swayed the vote to let those bastards go free and report their position to the Taliban forces.

That single act cost the lives of 16 elete special force soldiers in the end.. Not just Navy Seals either..:bang:

that seems a little harsh my friend it would take a lot out of a man to just kill a kid because he might go rat you out

that seems a little harsh my friend it would take a lot out of a man to just kill a kid because he might go rat you outIt almost happened. These guys work in secrecy or face what Luttrell and his buddies did. If you're in that situation, killing someone to stay alive probably sounds fairly tempting to say the least.

Just incase some on lookers aren't familiar with these.. I'm obviously trying to make this an informative thread of sorts.. Any thoughts on these two weapons of choice for long distant fire fights?

The M4 is a very capable weapon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKehYJGCFs

The Mark 12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx_RX-IAI-I

I have had the pleasure of firing both the M4 and the AK47 in fully automatic trim thanks to a good friend of mine. I loved the M4.

I didnt do any kind of in depth research or testing. Just picked them up and emptied a couple of clips into a target. The M4 was my favorite by far as far as rate of fire, ease of handling, and ability to keep the front end down and stay on target (as much as a civilian who had never picked one up before is able to stay on target)

that seems a little harsh my friend it would take a lot out of a man to just kill a kid because he might go rat you out

I know, but it's either that or compromise yourself and the team to some people you really can't trust or can't even communicate with? It's such a tough decision to kill someone in cold blood. Some of these Seals were Christians and just could not do it.. Flip side, one must think casualties of war do happen and it can't be your fault if your faced with making that harsh of a decision to save the mission and your brothers in arms... Although, killing a kid is something you would have to live with on your conscience for the rest of your life. Then agian, that kid could have been the next Taliban recruit and leader for all you know. Look at the alternative, this team could not run and evade once in that position, and a team of 4 seals were aware of this huge Taliban force sitting right under their noses (200 strong). What do you do? You can't give up your position like that and compromise your mission, but they did and let them go anyways. In the end the goat herders ratted them out and it cost many more American lives anyways.. :bang:

Tough call no dought.. I'm in no position to make that call either, it's just unfortunate the way it played out regardless. That Seal Team knew it may cost their lives to let them go and they did it anyways.. Brave men..:usa:

I have had the pleasure of firing both the M4 and the AK47 in fully automatic trim thanks to a good friend of mine. I loved the M4.

I didnt do any kind of in depth research or testing. Just picked them up and emptied a couple of clips into a target. The M4 was my favorite by far as far as rate of fire, ease of handling, and ability to keep the front end down and stay on target (as much as a civilian who had never picked one up before is able to stay on target)

Yeah, but isn't the M4 a much larger gun to handle and run around with? The AK47 seems like such a smaller gun to be mobile with?

It's crazy to me how the AK47 barrel flex's under fire. I'm sure the M4 is a steady pig..

Thanks for the lowdown, love hearing about the comparisons with people that actually fired both weapons..:nod:

Yeah, but isn't the M4 a much larger gun to handle and run around with? The AK47 seems like such a smaller gun to be mobile with?

It's crazy to me how the AK47 barrel flex's under fire. I'm sure the M4 is a steady pig..

Thanks for the lowdown, love hearing about the comparisons with people that actually fired both weapons..:nod:

I dont know how all the branches and what it breaks down to your basic weapon, but you have never shot a M4? If you have a M16 then just imagine it lighter and more compact, hence why tankers carry them, they fit in our vehicles nice and snug in holders. The AK can be accurate but at times when it hits the fan it turns into a spray and pray, kinda explains why alot of youtube videos is us sending rounds down range until we go black. Even at that moment, the M4/16 is more stable and controllable when you are sending lead the other way. Plus it is easier to get the Nato 5.56 in bulk.

You guys will have to excuse Jibby. He's got an insanely bad habit of saying incredibly dumb shit with very little or zero knowledge to state his case other than what he reads/sees on the internet or watches on TV.

Jibby, SEALS are not the end-all of elite military force. They're just one team, and there are several others. Each team has their own designated agenda, and each team will probably be better than the next at what they're specifically trained to do.

Right Damian^^^ I thought we got passed this already and were moving on. What are you doing in the Military section anyway Damian?

Yes, these days I do get most of my information off the internet, books TV and tours.. However, is that all false information that I am recieving, I think not? That's all I can do at this point in my life. I was actually just trying to learn more by starting this thread and hearing from some of the actual Navy Seals first hand.. Is that so wrong?

If it makes people feel better I can start a tribute thread for Rangers, Marines, Green Berets, etc. Find hero's and brave soldiers in every Military division.. I would be happy to do that...:nod:

Can't you just have a tribute thread to Navy Seals in the Military section without being accused of knocking other elete military groups????? Damn this is pathetic!!!!!! Just because I am hyping the Seals doesn't mean I don't have equal respect for all other Military forces and groups. :bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::chug::barf:

I dont know how all the branches and what it breaks down to your basic weapon, but you have never shot a M4?

I have fired and used the M16 in AF basics many years ago... The M4 I have not fired and would like to try it out one day just for thrills.:nod:

Can't you just have a tribute thread to Navy Seals in the Military section without being accused of knocking other elete military groups?????

of course you can. Theres nothing wrong with your thread so just ignore anyone that gives you a hard time for it.

the problem is, most SEALs dont go around admitting they are SEALs or telling people they are SEALs. So getting any to come in here and give you serious input on what they do on a daily basis isnt likely.

I am fortunate enough to get to speak to one regularly, and I get to pick his brain quite often. He probably gets tired of being bombarded wtih idiotic questions but I am just fascinated by what they do.

I am just as fascinated by all other branches and military groups. All of them deserve our praise and appreciation. I do not however see a problem with asking about one certain group and inquiring about what they do.

While some people think the stuff you read about the SEALs is hype and overblown fantasy, it is my opinion from what I have seen first hand and learned from communicating with them personally that they are elite to say the least. They take their jobs very seriously, while not taking themselves nearly as seriously. These guys are the best at what they do. Period.

So, someone can call me a nutswinger if they want. They can make fun of me for "hyping" the SEALs or "perpetuating the myth" all they want.

I would give the same props and show the same appreciation to a recon Marine, and Army Ranger, a Green Beret, or anyone else for that matter. The only difference is that I dont know any of those guys on a personal level.

But you are ALL, each and EVERY ONE worthy of respect. From the guy fixing jet engines to the guy making 1 mile sniper shots.

Thanks to every one of you.

:usa:

I just read your post after posting ^^^^^^ I figured that part out, Seals are steathy.. No problem.. I will give this thread a rest..Do have one final question that I do hope will be answered though...



the shitty part about bud/s is even if you pass you still have to be selected by the team by way of a sit down if they dont like the way you carry yourself or think or act your out.

So what happens to the Navy Seals that graduate everything and don't get chosen to join a specific Seal team?

Do most end up in desk jobs after that? Wrenching on military boats and what not? Are some placed on back up or on standbye to become team replacements in the event of an emergency? What happens to those guys?


My nephew is getting really close to joining the Navy, he has set his mind on becoming a Navy Seal.. Big Unc is just trying to gather as much info as possible to pass on to him..

I just read your thread after posting ^^^^^^ I figured that part out, Seals are steathy.. No problem.. I will give this thread a rest..Do have one final question that I do hope will be answered though...





So what happens to the Navy Seals that graduate everything and don't get chosen to join a specific Seal team?

Do most end up in desk jobs after that? Wrenching on military boats and what not? Are some placed on back up or on standbye to become team replacements in the event of an emergency? What happens to those guys?


My nephew is getting really close to joining the Navy, he has set his mind on becoming a Navy Seal.. Big Unc is just trying to gather as much info as possible to pass on to him..


They go back to their old unit. I'm not a SEAL, but in the Marines, if you try to go Recon and don't make it, you are sent back to your grunt unit.

Same goes for army, if you go to Special Forces training and dont make it all the way through you go back to your line unit.

They go back to their old unit. I'm not a SEAL, but in the Marines, if you try to go Recon and don't make it, you are sent back to your grunt unit.

Exactly. SEALs, Recon, and SF are all the same (I'm sure this is true of just about all SO and SO-capable units) in the regard that just because you passed the course, doesn't mean that you made the cut. In all of them, you have to be interviewed by Instructors as well as Senior and Veteran members (and approved) multiple times before all is said and done. Just because someone has the physical aptitude to complete the course does NOT mean that they have the emotional stability and maturity needed or that they possess the required mindset and character that will reflect the values and core qualities of their unit, branch, and the Special Operations community as a whole (among other things).

Ok got it...Thanks...

Not exactly true as far as SF goes

*DISCLAIMER........I am not special forces but i have closely researched the subject trying to figure out my career path*

Once you make it through all the stages of special forces training you are assigned to an ODA..........BUT throughout the different stages of SF training there are peer evaluations and instructor evaluations to make sure you are the type of soldier that they need and have what it takes to do the mission downrange

but as far a seals go im sure if you dont make it or if you make it through and arent selected you would go back to your previous unit

i do know that there can be up to 18 months of further training before you join up with a seal team

im not by any means in or close to being in the military, my cousin works for black water...or what ever they are now...
hes still over there, but my question is theres a guy i work with at the prison that says he was a SF srgt but hes only 24? how is it that possible to move up that fast?

im not by any means in or close to being in the military, my cousin works for black water...or what ever they are now...
hes still over there, but my question is theres a guy i work with at the prison that says he was a SF srgt but hes only 24? how is it that possible to move up that fast?


you can enter the army as an 18X, which is pretty much a pipeline straight into SF without going to a regular line unit and waiting for a chance to go to selections

so you go to infantry school, airborne, SF selections, then onto the many parts of SF qualifications course the whole process taking approx 2 years depending on the SF MOS(job) you do

with that being said from what i understand pretty soon after you make it through the whole process and become SF you are eligible for your E5 (SGT)

so its possible, not saying i believe him but it could be done

haha, SEALs!!!

the shitty part about bud/s is even if you pass you still have to be selected by the team by way of a sit down if they dont like the way you carry yourself or think or act your out.


nothing about this statement is true. You will fill out a dream sheet while still in BUD/S that has your choices of where you want to go, then you get detailed their by the detailer at BUPERS or detailed wherever they need you to go.

I thought this was a great real life sniper video, most if not all on this thread should appreciate this. Hell, even the Seals should appreciate what this Marine Sniper did.. Check this.. One mile real life enemy sniper kill shots..

I'm giving a shout out to the Marine Snipers as this is just awesome.. Proving I'm proud of all our skilled military guys in any unit or division.. I'd buy this dude a drink anytime...:cheers:

Check this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRYwMrsaLxs

Gotta love the enemy blood spray on the back wall on the last kill shot...:D

im not by any means in or close to being in the military, my cousin works for black water...or what ever they are now...
hes still over there, but my question is theres a guy i work with at the prison that says he was a SF srgt but hes only 24? how is it that possible to move up that fast?Even without a rank bump, which definitely happens, it's possible to reach E-5 in 3yrs. So technically, if he served 4yrs, it's no problem in terms of time.
nothing about this statement is true. You will fill out a dream sheet while still in BUD/S that has your choices of where you want to go, then you get detailed their by the detailer at BUPERS or detailed wherever they need you to go.There is still the possibility that a man could complete the training and not be put on a team for any reason.

I think I recently read something about making a change for a similar problem. It went along the lines of a trained, but not fully "qualified operator" SEAL being placed with a team, but that team still having a void for missions. While he's technically billeted and there, he may not be fully qualified and not be allowed to take part in actual missions. I'm sure this came from a military source, but I can't remember where.

Even without a rank bump, which definitely happens, it's possible to reach E-5 in 3yrs. So technically, if he served 4yrs, it's no problem in terms of time.

xrays have a minimum enlistment of 5 years, just fyi. Combine that with a minimum of 3 years in group after graduation, and a lot of them have to extend. Mr 24 year old ex sf guy could very well have been support, they always claim sf status. well not always... most of the time

I think I recently read something about making a change for a similar problem. It went along the lines of a trained, but not fully "qualified operator" SEAL being placed with a team, but that team still having a void for missions. While he's technically billeted and there, he may not be fully qualified and not be allowed to take part in actual missions. I'm sure this came from a military source, but I can't remember where.

Your just going to have to take my word on this. Your wrong, I'm right. Before coming to a Team now, new guys get their Trident straight out of SQT, giving them all the pays and benefits of a real life Navy Seal Operator. Whether their track record at BUD/S was spectacular or not, they are given a clean slate when they reach a Team, Period.

nothing about this statement is true. You will fill out a dream sheet while still in BUD/S that has your choices of where you want to go, then you get detailed their by the detailer at BUPERS or detailed wherever they need you to go.

Thanks for popping back in on the thread...Ok, let me get this straight..

So in other words it's your choice preference while your still in BUD/S training on where you want to eventually end up as a Seal once you graduate all the training courses? Then at that point you are then evaluated and appoved by the appropriate channels to get your request granted for the team position of your choice? You're actually not selected by your overall skill set first then?

Ok, so you ultimately have the choice to the end up doing what you want to do as a Seal... That's cool for the individual I guess...

I'm thinking - What if you personally or accidently chose to be selected for something your not very good at as Seal while your still in BUD/S? Is your career as a Seal ruined at that point if you make the wrong choice during BUD/S?......

The teams you pick are really just to let them know your preference on which coast you want to go to. New guys will go to a team on their preferred coast that is not getting ready to deploy or not finishing up their training cycle. The only people keyholed into a job from BUD/S are corpsman, and they will be sent to the 18D short course. Everyone else can choose what they want to do when they get to a team as all new guys are trained to the basics in every job a Team guy does.

The teams you pick are really just to let them know your preference on which coast you want to go to. New guys will go to a team on their preferred coast that is not getting ready to deploy or not finishing up their training cycle. The only people keyholed into a job from BUD/S are corpsman, and they will be sent to the 18D short course. Everyone else can choose what they want to do when they get to a team as all new guys are trained to the basics in every job a Team guy does.


So you decided to come out of the closet :chug:

^^ OK got it..

As this thread comes to an end -

I want to take this time and say thanks to all the active Navy Seals members on this forum as there are a few that actually took the time to send informational PM's to this older AF vet whom is now just a regular everyday civilian dude living in SO Cal. I appreciate all the info shared as I counted 4 of you active Navy Seal guys in total. I suspect there are one or two others that actually posted on this thread as well. I won't call you out or give up screen names. Other none Seals with close friends that are Seals also PM'd me as well and just shared infomation that I can now pass onto my Nef.. You know who you all are and thanks, I feel honored, really... :cheers:

No gayness and no nutswigging intended, just friendly military respect. Keep up the good work guys....:usa:

Mother f*cker, its SEAL

lowercasing it the way you have over the last 8 pages is incredibly disrespectful

Oh, and the AK47 smaller and the M4 a pig!?!? Are you fawking kidding me?

disrespectful to who, you? It's not like they are saying squid or navy puke. lighten up.

disrespectful to who, you? It's not like they are saying squid or navy puke. lighten up.


I heard those SWCC guys were pretty badass too. They are like surgeons with Mark boats.:devil:

Mother f*cker, its SEAL

lowercasing it the way you have over the last 8 pages is incredibly disrespectful

Oh, and the AK47 smaller and the M4 a pig!?!? Are you fawking kidding me?

Excuse me!!!!!

SEAL, my bad Private Pyle!!!

Never thought of that as disrespect.. Again, I am not a Navy SEAL and honestly I didn't know any better.. Oh, and I've never fired and or held an AK47 or M4, please correct me if I'm mistaken. Also "pig" is an effectionate term where I come from. I often call my girl friend that name:D

Lighten up as Anarchy says, maybe the military needs to send you to the front lines.. You sound like you are ready to kill somebody..

Just when I thought this thread was coming to an end and getting civil and cool..:ripped:

Remember, I am not the enemy, the towel heads praying to Ala and swearing to kill an American and or Jew to go to heaven is your enemy. Vent your internal built up anger towards those mother f*ckers. :chug:

Not exactly true as far as SF goes

*DISCLAIMER........I am not special forces but i have closely researched the subject trying to figure out my career path*

Once you make it through all the stages of special forces training you are assigned to an ODA..........BUT throughout the different stages of SF training there are peer evaluations and instructor evaluations to make sure you are the type of soldier that they need and have what it takes to do the mission downrange

but as far a seals go im sure if you dont make it or if you make it through and arent selected you would go back to your previous unit


I'm not exactly sure that I understand the distinction that you are making?

Your just going to have to take my word on this. Your wrong, I'm right. Before coming to a Team now, new guys get their Trident straight out of SQT, giving them all the pays and benefits of a real life Navy Seal Operator. Whether their track record at BUD/S was spectacular or not, they are given a clean slate when they reach a Team, Period.I seriously think you flatly misunderstood my comment. I won't just be taking your word for it, considering I actually know a thing or two about the NAVY, having served in it and all.

It had nothing to do with their track record, but everything to do with being deployed as an operator. According to the NAVY, there are actually 4 steps to becoming a certified operator as a SEAL. Step 2 completed... get the TRIDENT... Then move on to Step 3(advanced training for 6mo) and then 4(certified operator)

I wasn't talking about whether or not they get their TRIDENT(which they do upon SQT completion) or what their pay would be, etc.

Maybe check out www.navy.com to get the info I was talking about. If for some reason you can't find the information stating that any SQT'd new SEAL follows with 6mo more training with his team before he is deployed as an operator, I'll get you the info.

My point was, and is, a new SEAL doesn't simply deploy as an operator after 3rd phase or even after jump training. First he must complete 6mo of Task Group Level training with his SEAL platoon(or SDV task Unit). That stands according to the NAVY, unless they are wrong and you are right as well...

I'm not here to argue with you, but don't tell me you're right and I'm wrong unless you ARE right.... Here, according to the United States Navy, you're wrong. Eh, whado THEY know... :eyes:

dumb.

All of the SPEC-OPS groups are bad ass!

Now with that being said, there is a big difference between a man that is trained to swim, a man that is trained to run, a man that is trained to jump and a man that is trained to save lives in dangerous situations.

Every branch has their own respective bad asses that are assigned a specific task, and they all do their task's well.
Folks get in too big of a pissing contest over "who's the baddest" well I'll tell ya. Its not RECON, its not SEALS, its not PJ's, its not RANGER's or DELTA. It's a small group of soldiers that do the dirty work of this country so that everyone in america can sleep in peace at night. You will never know their names, you will never give them credit and you will never want to know just what exactly their actions are that help keep America safe. Any of you soldier's that served over sea's that ever had to clean up the after effects of their exploits will know who I'm refering to.

Personally I'm proud of every single soldier that has served with honor in the name of America and thank you to no end!

I'm not exactly sure that I understand the distinction that you are making?

you said "Exactly. SEALs, Recon, and SF are all the same (I'm sure this is true of just about all SO and SO-capable units) in the regard that just because you passed the course, doesn't mean that you made the cut"

first off Special Forces isnt a generic term like spec ops. SF refers to U.S. Army Special Forces

and i was just clarifying that if you make it through SF training you definately go to an ODA

After SQT its another 18 months of pre-deployment training with there specific team.

and i was just clarifying that if you make it through SF training you definitely go to an ODA

Actually you aren't guaranteed to go to an oda. You might end up in a plethora of places.

I seriously think you flatly misunderstood my comment. I won't just be taking your word for it, considering I actually know a thing or two about the NAVY, having served in it and all.

It had nothing to do with their track record, but everything to do with being deployed as an operator. According to the NAVY, there are actually 4 steps to becoming a certified operator as a SEAL. Step 2 completed... get the TRIDENT... Then move on to Step 3(advanced training for 6mo) and then 4(certified operator)

I wasn't talking about whether or not they get their TRIDENT(which they do upon SQT completion) or what their pay would be, etc.

Maybe check out www.navy.com to get the info I was talking about. If for some reason you can't find the information stating that any SQT'd new SEAL follows with 6mo more training with his team before he is deployed as an operator, I'll get you the info.

My point was, and is, a new SEAL doesn't simply deploy as an operator after 3rd phase or even after jump training. First he must complete 6mo of Task Group Level training with his SEAL platoon(or SDV task Unit). That stands according to the NAVY, unless they are wrong and you are right as well...

I'm not here to argue with you, but don't tell me you're right and I'm wrong unless you ARE right.... Here, according to the United States Navy, you're wrong. Eh, whado THEY know... :eyes:

Everything you write is either "I read, I've heard or think, or my friend that didn't make it said".
A guy goes to bud/s. Passes bud/s. Goes into the SQT pipeline. Passes that. Gets a K-bar with a dead Team guys name on it and his trident. Fully qualified SEAL. There is no Probation period or trident board anymore. Hasn't been one for 10 years. I know because I took the last one. So read whatever the fuck you want on www.Navy.com. I think you know all kinds of things about the Navy and congrats on serving in it, but its obvious you don't know shit about the Teams or the process other than again what "you read somewhere, your friend that didn't make it said, or you think you heard." I've laid out in several posts exactly what happens. Not once have I said that a guy deploys after third phase, but the Team he checks into after SQT may send him overseas for some experience before they start their workup.

you said "Exactly. SEALs, Recon, and SF are all the same (I'm sure this is true of just about all SO and SO-capable units) in the regard that just because you passed the course, doesn't mean that you made the cut"

first off Special Forces isnt a generic term like spec ops. SF refers to U.S. Army Special Forces

and i was just clarifying that if you make it through SF training you definately go to an ODA

Yes, I know SF refers to the Green Berets (which is why I make the distinction between SF and SO). I was actually referring more to "along the way" in the training pipeline. For instance, a soldier can successfully make it all the way through to the end of SFAS and and still be rejected. I probably should have clarified my initial statement a little better, but that's what I was referring to. ;)

Actually you aren't guaranteed to go to an oda. You might end up in a plethora of places.

alright ill bite..........where might one go

ps that probably comes across as a smart a$$ remark but im legitimately curious

I seriously think you flatly misunderstood my comment. I won't just be taking your word for it, considering I actually know a thing or two about the NAVY, having served in it and all.

It had nothing to do with their track record, but everything to do with being deployed as an operator. According to the NAVY, there are actually 4 steps to becoming a certified operator as a SEAL. Step 2 completed... get the TRIDENT... Then move on to Step 3(advanced training for 6mo) and then 4(certified operator)

I wasn't talking about whether or not they get their TRIDENT(which they do upon SQT completion) or what their pay would be, etc.

Maybe check out www.navy.com to get the info I was talking about. If for some reason you can't find the information stating that any SQT'd new SEAL follows with 6mo more training with his team before he is deployed as an operator, I'll get you the info.

My point was, and is, a new SEAL doesn't simply deploy as an operator after 3rd phase or even after jump training. First he must complete 6mo of Task Group Level training with his SEAL platoon(or SDV task Unit). That stands according to the NAVY, unless they are wrong and you are right as well...

I'm not here to argue with you, but don't tell me you're right and I'm wrong unless you ARE right.... Here, according to the United States Navy, you're wrong. Eh, whado THEY know... :eyes:


did it ever occur to you that the guy you are arguing with might know a thing or two about the subject he is discussing as well? I dont get the feeling the guy is just some nimrod on here trying to educate us on a topic he has never had anything to do with.

but Im just guessing.

on a positive note. I am on vacation now in the gulf and there is no oil on the shore yet.

wheeeeee

i didnt mean to stir the convo back up.lol sry guys. hell like i said i know nothing about the military....someone even corrected my srgt.lol i now know its SGT.
idk this kid was shot in both legs and has some scars all over his back from a bomb or something. he said he was a door man, the only thing i dont get is his fighting skills. he should be able to kick my ass into the dirt.
and by no means am i a complete badass. ive trained in mma for a lil bit. when we went to basic for our CERT training for the prison, i through him around like a rag doll? i out weighed him by a good 40lbs at the time...but practicing BJJ it isnt about size, more technique....my BJJ instructor is only 5'5 and 150lbs and kick my ass all over the gym. idk theres just something up with this guy....i havent had a chance to talk with my cousin yet so i was getting your guys opinion

All of the SPEC-OPS groups are bad ass!

Now with that being said, there is a big difference between a man that is trained to swim, a man that is trained to run, a man that is trained to jump and a man that is trained to save lives in dangerous situations.

Every branch has their own respective bad asses that are assigned a specific task, and they all do their task's well.
Folks get in too big of a pissing contest over "who's the baddest" well I'll tell ya. Its not RECON, its not SEALS, its not PJ's, its not RANGER's or DELTA. It's a small group of soldiers that do the dirty work of this country so that everyone in america can sleep in peace at night. You will never know their names, you will never give them credit and you will never want to know just what exactly their actions are that help keep America safe. Any of you soldier's that served over sea's that ever had to clean up the after effects of their exploits will know who I'm refering to.

Personally I'm proud of every single soldier that has served with honor in the name of America and thank you to no end!

Sounds like Men in Black or something..

Top secret group, infact so top secret they don't even have a name for the group...Curious? How do you know this if you don't mind me asking?

Everything you write is either "I read, I've heard or think, or my friend that didn't make it said".
A guy goes to bud/s. Passes bud/s. Goes into the SQT pipeline. Passes that. Gets a K-bar with a dead Team guys name on it and his trident. Fully qualified SEAL. There is no Probation period or trident board anymore. Hasn't been one for 10 years. I know because I took the last one. So read whatever the fuck you want on www.Navy.com. I think you know all kinds of things about the Navy and congrats on serving in it, but its obvious you don't know shit about the Teams or the process other than again what "you read somewhere, your friend that didn't make it said, or you think you heard." I've laid out in several posts exactly what happens. Not once have I said that a guy deploys after third phase, but the Team he checks into after SQT may send him overseas for some experience before they start their workup.

I'll take your word for it...:nod:

Everything you write is either "I read, I've heard or think, or my friend that didn't make it said".
Try to remember, you're NOT arguing with me on this... It's the NAVY who disagrees with you and they did it in writing, not even knowing what you would have to say after the fact. Go "straighten" them out...

did it ever occur to you that the guy you are arguing with might know a thing or two about the subject he is discussing as well? I dont get the feeling the guy is just some nimrod on here trying to educate us on a topic he has never had anything to do with.

but Im just guessing.

on a positive note. I am on vacation now in the gulf and there is no oil on the shore yet.

wheeeeeeI want to clarify before going on, I don't think he's claiming to have been or currently be a SEAL, though he is making some comments which may lead others to think he is/was and just doesn't want to say so publicly.

Now then... It did, but I seriously don't believe at all that he's even been in the NAVY, let alone a SEAL. After all, his "defense" to my comments is to simply say that I can only claim to have read... Well, what else would someone share here, who isn't on active duty or who wasn't a recent SEAL(as things change)? More importantly, what "I read" comes DIRECTLY from the United States Navy, and is not some hearsay as he's insinuating. I even provided the link, directly to that US NAVY so anyone could clarify.

Suddenly, there's no more real argument about what they do or don't do, and it is clear my information is, well, what it is... The NAVY said it and since the NAVY runs the SEAL program in its entirety, I'm taking their word for it.

Btw, I also checked with actual current, recent or older former NAVY SEALs in the process, who only "couldn't agree" on one point, and it had nothing to do with the one I made here, but instead, about the 18D course for Corpsman after BUD/S. If anarchy99 was a NAVY SEAL, he can easily prove it and I can easily see verification. He would know where to show proof and I already know where to check it. It can actually be done online, though it isn't an instant kind of thing. He would have to log on and give confidential information to former SEAL personnel who would then verify or discredit, accordingly. If he was, he's likely already signed up and could give me a PM with info and I could find out easily enough.

As such, if proof is offered, I will merely wonder how someone could forget something so blatant in his career, considering the intelligence of the average SEAL, not to mention their attention to detail. Therefore, no, I don't think he was a SEAL and honestly, I don't think he was ever in the US NAVY either. I could surely believe he's a veteran, likely of the US ARMY. On a personal level, I don't even care. My point was merely to show what the NAVY has to say about "operator" status after becoming a SEAL.

Btw, it's good to know there's no oil on the shore where you are... The news is taking any opportunity to show oil ashore as if the nation will fall apart because of it... :eyes: SPEAKING of nimrods... :nod:

alright ill bite..........where might one go

ps that probably comes across as a smart a$$ remark but im legitimately curious

There are a ton of 18 series slots out there not on oda's, but a few would be working on the b team, battalion level support, or group level stuff. It's not all sexy, esp if you have no experience or have a less-than-stellar reputation.

Lifeisgood - he said he was a doorman? Right.... You should ask him what group/team he was on


It'llrun - I don't know if it ever occurred to you, but information about training schedules you'll find open source are hardly ever the same as what really happens. If you look at what the army has published about the q course it's probably all jacked up because no one ever updates that shit, no one cares except the internet ninjas who cite it as a research source.

btw, if I was anarchy99 and if I was a seal I wouldn't feel the least bit obligated to validate myself to someone on ls1tech, but thats just me

It'llrun - I don't know if it ever occurred to you, but information about training schedules you'll find open source are hardly ever the same as what really happens. If you look at what the army has published about the q course it's probably all jacked up because no one ever updates that shit, no one cares except the internet ninjas who cite it as a research source.

btw, if I was anarchy99 and if I was a seal I wouldn't feel the least bit obligated to validate myself to someone on ls1tech, but thats just meI've checked with actual SEALs as well. I'm not questioning whether he was a SEAL... I don't care. That said, if he wants to prove he is, I'll verify if the info is available to prove it. Some seem to think he is/was and I'm not one of them. Until an actual SEAL gives reason to not believe the NAVY, I'll believe the NAVY. For that matter, I'll believe the NAVY until I have a strong reason not to. Recruiters lie, the NAVY itself doesn't... at least not about scheduled training time lines.

I have no argument with him. I'm merely being the messenger. His argument is with the US NAVY... I have nothing to do with that.

I'm sure on lookers including myself are really just looking for the true facts on this thread..

I hope no one is pretending to be someone they are not.. That would suck!!! Don't do that, that is the ultimate show of immaturity and disrespect as far as I am concerned, especially on a semi legit NAVY SEAL THREAD!!!!

Come on guys, no bullshit please!!!!! Keep it real and keep it American:usa:

Remember most popping in and posting in this section should be active or former service men.. At least I'm hoping for that..

any one attend the best ranger challenge a few weeks ago

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Remember most popping in and posting in this section should be active or former service men.. At least I'm hoping for that..[/QUOTE]

so you want our service men to be praised but only by other service men? make sense. ill make sure to stay out of this forum.....to the rest of everyone else that answered my question and did serve...thank you.
doesnt matter why you serve, whether it be college, or you were a runaway, or if your just a crazy ass guy that wanted to kill people. you did this country a favor that cant be repayed. not everyone is cut out for the life.
doesnt matter what branch you are.

When the two sf guys won BRC? haha

Lifeisgood - he said he was a doorman? Right.... You should ask him what group/team he was on


i will do that as soon as i get back to work...i had a bad car wreck two months ago, i broke my back. very lucky to be walking again...
everyone that works at the prison with me that did serve in some branch of the military, said that they believe him. but the guys that work at the prison with me could be less knowledgable as the guy thats started this thread.

so you want our service men to be praised but only by other service men? make sense. ill make sure to stay out of this forum.....to the rest of everyone else that answered my question and did serve...thank you.
doesnt matter why you serve, whether it be college, or you were a runaway, or if your just a crazy ass guy that wanted to kill people. you did this country a favor that cant be repayed. not everyone is cut out for the life.
doesnt matter what branch you are.

No, I was just stating that this is the military section of the LS1tech forum, and it reads above "for the men in the Armed Forces".. This indicates to me that most of the on lookers are men in service or retired from service. Infact, most that posted on this thread are active members of our armed forces from what I can tell.

I personally don't care who looks in as long as they have something good to say for these guys.. If you're not in the service or never have been then welcome and join in on the fun anyways, learn, show respect and then realise these Navy SEAL guys are some of America's finest serving in the Military today. :cheers:

Wow. I will say though, the best part of my day is getting home and cracking a beer to read your posts. You must be right though. You've checked with SEAL's on the subject. I'd rather walk down to the armory and suck start my pistol than give you one ounce of my personal info.

Anyone else want to butt heads??

^^^^Both of you guys arguing are good guys and I know this, it's a shame both can't get it right and see eye to eye on this thread... Welcome to my world, forums have a way of bringing out the nasty in people and the good too, I've seen this first hand.:bang

Keep it postive people, life is short so play hard... No need to be hating on people that are on the same team... Right or wrong?:chug:

hook it up with a beer anarchy, i need one after reading itllrun's posts.

hook it up with a beer anarchy, i need one after reading itllrun's posts.

Come out to Coronado and it's on me.

hook it up with a beer anarchy, i need one after reading itllrun's posts.

EOD is the shit. I was a CE in the Corps.

Come out to Coronado and it's on me.

sounds like a plan bro, i'm PCS'ing a little north of you guys in july so we'll definitely be making a trip down there.

EOD is the shit. I was a CE in the Corps.

:D

Drive 2 hours up North on the 405 or 5 frwys to Santa Monica, California and I'll buy both of you guys a beer..:cheers:


It better be happy hour though because times are tough:D

Drive 2 hours up North on the 405 or 5 frwys to Santa Monica, California and I'll buy both of you guys a beer..:cheers:


It better be happy hour though because times are tough:D

Not with the gas mileage I'm currently getting, but thanks for the offer.

what BUD/s class were you in anarchy99?

PM'd you.

yeah the brc was the shit this year it was a harder one then last year thats for sure

Everything you write is either "I read, I've heard or think, or my friend that didn't make it said".
A guy goes to bud/s. Passes bud/s. Goes into the SQT pipeline. Passes that. Gets a K-bar with a dead Team guys name on it and his trident. Fully qualified SEAL. There is no Probation period or trident board anymore. Hasn't been one for 10 years. I know because I took the last one. So read whatever the fuck you want on www.Navy.com. I think you know all kinds of things about the Navy and congrats on serving in it, but its obvious you don't know shit about the Teams or the process other than again what "you read somewhere, your friend that didn't make it said, or you think you heard." I've laid out in several posts exactly what happens. Not once have I said that a guy deploys after third phase, but the Team he checks into after SQT may send him overseas for some experience before they start their workup.



Its the truth......

This whole thread the two SEAL's sitting beside me and myself(IM NOT A SEAL) were laughing at this.



J,

Sorry i missed ya last time you were in VA. Im out near you now.... kinda. In NV.
Dont let it rub ya the wrong way.

Kyle

Semper Fi

Stay safe my brothers.