Advanced Engineering Tech - self power generating electrical car?

can it be done? here is a mail that i sent to GM today, what do you think? :

Hello, i have a suggestion on producing a self power generating electrical car. i hope it will work. we need such cars due to pollution and problems associated with the pollution.

why don't you install a generator that generates electricity power in a electrical car (car with electrical motor) that this generator is spun by the electrical motor of the car and generates enough power to be stored in the car's battery while operating and using (motivating) the car this way the car will generate power by itself for itslef the electrical motor will make enough power to motivate the car and yet enough power to spin the generator to produce enough elecrical power to be stored in the car's battery to motivate the car.

when the power stored in the battery is full you cut supplying the battery with power from generator using relays or in some how,

when the battery needs power you connect the generator to bettery and supply power from the generator and so on and so fourth.

let me know what do you think.

thanks.

Abdullah

Second Law of Thermodynamics

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I think it would be better to spin the generator with some pedals operated by the drivers feet, like a 4 wheeled mo-ped. I too often dream of creating the worlds first perpetual motion machine.

Is this serious? Subscribed.

I think it would be better to spin the generator with some pedals operated by the drivers feet, like a 4 wheeled mo-ped. I too often dream of creating the worlds first perpetual motion machine.

I think there was a Simpson's episode where Lisa Simpson made one of those. We should ask her.

although you are wondering about that i would say this car could be made in the future.

although you are wondering about that i would say this car could be made in the future.

I disagree.

I disagree.

I too, disagree.

Perpetual motion machine... :secret2::ripped:

How could this be made? You are taking the potential energy of the battery, transfering some of it to a generator, which will then transfer some to kinetic engergy (movement of the automobile) and some will be transfered back to a battery. How are you going to sustain an energy source when some of it is used to create the motion of the car. Even if you had zero loss in the system, you are still transfering engergy from a battery into motion of an electric motor. This is basically a less efficient version of an electric car. Please read the law of conservation of energy. You can't create energy. Why dont we just make a car that operates off of fairy dust. I think that's more realistic.

I can't believe i'm taking the bait, as this has to be a joke

perpetual motion machine Is not possible. you would have to rewrite all the laws of physics.

How could this be made? You are taking the potential energy of the battery, transfering some of it to a generator, which will then transfer some to kinetic engergy (movement of the automobile) and some will be transfered back to a battery. How are you going to sustain an energy source when some of it is used to create the motion of the car. Even if you had zero loss in the system, you are still transfering engergy from a battery into motion of an electric motor. This is basically a less efficient version of an electric car. Please read the law of conservation of energy. You can't create energy. Why dont we just make a car that operates off of fairy dust. I think that's more realistic.

I can't believe i'm taking the bait, as this has to be a joke

Warp drive or perpetual motion machine? Which comes first?

Warp drive or perpetual motion machine? Which comes first?

Definately warp drive. I hate that 45 minute commute to work!

100% guaranteed: Warp drive before perpetual motion. The real question is where does time travel come in, before or after (Stephen Hawking explained how forward time travel may be possible, but going back isn't on the discovery channel a week or 2 ago)

How could this be made? You are taking the potential energy of the battery, transfering some of it to a generator, which will then transfer some to kinetic engergy (movement of the automobile) and some will be transfered back to a battery. How are you going to sustain an energy source when some of it is used to create the motion of the car. Even if you had zero loss in the system, you are still transfering engergy from a battery into motion of an electric motor. This is basically a less efficient version of an electric car. Please read the law of conservation of energy. You can't create energy. Why dont we just make a car that operates off of fairy dust. I think that's more realistic.

I can't believe i'm taking the bait, as this has to be a joke

i'm not transfereing some of the electrical power from the battery to the generator, i'm transfering the power to the electrical motor and the electrical motor spins the generator (very high output generator that doesn't consume too much hp and produce enough power to motivate the car or to be stored in the battery).

i'm not transfereing some of the electrical power from the battery to the generator, i'm transfering the power to the electrical motor and the electrical motor spins the generator (very high output generator that doesn't consume too much hp and produce enough power to motivate the car or to be stored in the battery).

If what you are trying to attempt were possible then you should be able to connect the motor to the generator via a belt, crank it up with a pull rope, and it would continue to run under it's own power indefinitely. Are you saying this is possible?

i'm not transfereing some of the electrical power from the battery to the generator, i'm transfering the power to the electrical motor and the electrical motor spins the generator (very high output generator that doesn't consume too much hp and produce enough power to motivate the car or to be stored in the battery).

Look up the second law of thermodynamics.

If what you are trying to attempt were possible then you should be able to connect the motor to the generator via a belt, crank it up with a pull rope, and it would continue to run under it's own power indefinitely. Are you saying this is possible?

yes, this is my idea the electrical motor spins the high output generator via a belt but there is a battery from the begining to start the engine and to motivate the car. is that possible?

assume the generator produce electrical power same as the power source stations we see on TV that is now adays used to charge today's electrical car battery's with power,doesn't take like one and a half hour to charge the battery? maybe while the car is moving it will charge the battery within 5-6 hours.

No it's for sure possible...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJJrjDI5xSQ

No it's for sure possible...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJJrjDI5xSQ

LOL....thats a good one

yes, this is my idea the electrical motor spins the high output generator via a belt but there is a battery from the begining to start the engine and to motivate the car. is that possible?

assume the generator produce electrical power same as the power source stations we see on TV that is now adays used to charge today's electrical car battery's with power,doesn't take like one and a half hour to charge the battery? maybe while the car is moving it will charge the battery within 5-6 hours.

No this is not possible. The generator is essentially a permanent magnet motor and it will take a motor larger than the generator to drive it to it's maximum potential. This is due to frictional loss of energy and you can't eliminate friction from the equation. So what you end up with is a motor that is larger than the generator is capable of powering on it's own. The battery will run the motor and generator for a while but all you are doing is adding more work to the motor by introducing the generator. Thus depleting the power source faster than if you had no generator at all. You may reduce friction and prolong the depletion but you will not eliminate it.

The only way you may achieve charging of the battery is if you used the generators as brakes and only drove downhill. If a person was interested in only making one way trips then you may have a market. But then someone will have to expend the energy to bring the car back up the hill.

No this is not possible. The generator is essentially a permanent magnet motor and it will take a motor larger than the generator to drive it to it's maximum potential. This is due to frictional loss of energy and you can't eliminate friction from the equation. So what you end up with is a motor that is larger than the generator is capable of powering on it's own. The battery will run the motor and generator for a while but all you are doing is adding more work to the motor by introducing the generator. Thus depleting the power source faster than if you had no generator at all. You may reduce friction and prolong the depletion but you will not eliminate it.

The only way you may achieve charging of the battery is if you used the generators as brakes and only drove downhill. If a person was interested in only making one way trips then you may have a market. But then someone will have to expend the energy to bring the car back up the hill.

looks like you are correct.

looks like you are correct.

This is basically a more elequent way of saying what i said.

You cannot create more energy than you expend performing the operation to create it. If you could use low power motors to create gobs of energy via a higly efficient generator, the entire worlds energy problems would be solved.

But unless the rules of our universe change, this isnt possible.

the other day i thought of another possible way to start a car. though its not exactly what you were talking about it may give some ideas.

now i'm not sure if it would actually work, it was just the thought

i have Louvers on my third gen and i though, what if in the middle sections i replaced that, or part of each row, with strips of those solar pads. i then run it to the passenger fender wheel well where its met by a battery relocation type kit.

in that well the generator or solar battery would rest.

if a person didnt want the louvers then they could apply a solar film which could almost act as a hatch tint. ( i checked they have flexible solar film)
though i do not know if its transparent

How much more food would we have to eat if we just walked or biked everywhere? Why not just work closer to home and stop driving except for fun? Put an end to the "daily driver" and drive as a hobby. remodel your way of life. if everyone did, it would also solve a lot of the world's energy problems because let me tell you, most of the energy consumed in this world is to shuttle our own lazy asses around.

did the OP go to high school? i LOL'd when i saw this thread...

ultimately we're gonna need lots of nuclear power plants (thorium or other fuel cycle for fissile, or fusion IF it ever happens), place induction loops in the travel lanes on every highway, and design electric cars (with power meters of course) and let the cars run on the electricity they gain from the induction loops while on-road. instead of paying for gas, the energy you used that month to drive would be included in your home electric bill. all the government's usage taxes will be tacked on also. but, can you say BORING CARS!

in my opinion perpetual motion has been achieved by nature, the atom produces motion through protons neutrons and electrons, it is self sustaining.

in my opinion perpetual motion has been achieved by nature, the atom produces motion through protons neutrons and electrons, it is self sustaining.

While this is true, there is no good way (yet) to take that energy without sustaining losses in the system, which throws out the perpetual portion.

Nothing will be able to perpetuate itself, unless you can eliminate all of the parasitic loss in the system, and since that is 99.99999999% impossible in the real world it wont happen

although this is true that you could not take energy from the system, that proposes a system which is greater than that of perpetual motion, one that could not only sustain it self but generate power in excess, this implies it could produce or manufacture power, but power cannot be produced, only transferred. so in this context the idea that an atom within itself requires no energy for movement of its electrons and gives off no excess is directly in line with the requirements for perpetual motion, it is completely self sustaining. but you are correct in that any machine can never sustain energy without transferring or losing energy to an unwanted medium.

in my opinion perpetual motion has been achieved by nature, the atom produces motion through protons neutrons and electrons, it is self sustaining.

Im in no way a physicist but hear me out, isn't it made possible for the movement of protons, nuetrons, and electrons, thus chemical reactions because the environment we live in above Absolute Zero? In which case the movement is made possible due the the energy from sources like the sun? And since the sun will eventually deplete, i dont think you could consider it perpetual motion.

Another thing along the same line of thinking is someone once asked me what i thought would happen if you took a fully charged battery hooked a power inverter to it, and then had a battery charger plugged into the inverter with the leads from the charger going back to the battery to charge it. would it be self sustaining? NO! because we all know that things like battery chargers and power inverters produce heat, and the production of heat prove the loss of energy from the system

can it be done? here is a mail that i sent to GM today, what do you think? :

Hello, i have a suggestion on producing a self power generating electrical car. i hope it will work. we need such cars due to pollution and problems associated with the pollution.

why don't you install a generator that generates electricity power in a electrical car (car with electrical motor) that this generator is spun by the electrical motor of the car and generates enough power to be stored in the car's battery while operating and using (motivating) the car this way the car will generate power by itself for itslef the electrical motor will make enough power to motivate the car and yet enough power to spin the generator to produce enough elecrical power to be stored in the car's battery to motivate the car.

when the power stored in the battery is full you cut supplying the battery with power from generator using relays or in some how,

when the battery needs power you connect the generator to bettery and supply power from the generator and so on and so fourth.

let me know what do you think.

thanks.

Abdullah

so did GM send you a response?:jest:

Im not an expert either, but absolute zero would require you to remove all energy from an atom so teoretically you have disrupted perpetual motion by a transfer of energy, but in reference to the no sun theory I dont believe space is absolute zero, because if you were correct in that an atom ceases to exist without the sun then a space suttle would sustain damage on the side oposite the sun as it will recieve no heat. my question to you is, if you place an atom in absolute zero does it cease to exist?

and please forgive my spelling as i have consumed an amount of alcohol that my old english teacher would not approve of. maybe I should write to GM before the effects wear off, I've got this great Idea for a car that makes its own energy, I dont think anyone has suggested that yet.

lol good read

What about the Atmos clock?

No. You cannot get back more energy than you put in.

I think you will find this article of interest:

http://keelynet.com/energy/teslcar.htm

Check out the original article and commentary at the bottom of the page.

with a direct drive unit and a 1:1 rear end ratio a tire would have to travel a distance of approx. 4.4 feet to achieve 90 mph. Not familiar with older vehicles like an arrow but im assuming the stock axel does not have a 1:1 ratio. seems that a custom axel would have been a little extreme for this type of experiment, this testimony seems syspect to me, like someone did the math for a tires distance of travel, approx 4.4 maybe. then multiplied by 1800rpm, motor speed, but didnt account for drivetrain. just my take on this artical, that said tesla was a genius so...

can it be done? here is a mail that i sent to GM today, what do you think? :

Hello, i have a suggestion on producing a self power generating electrical car. i hope it will work. we need such cars due to pollution and problems associated with the pollution.

why don't you install a generator that generates electricity power in a electrical car (car with electrical motor) that this generator is spun by the electrical motor of the car and generates enough power to be stored in the car's battery while operating and using (motivating) the car this way the car will generate power by itself for itslef the electrical motor will make enough power to motivate the car and yet enough power to spin the generator to produce enough elecrical power to be stored in the car's battery to motivate the car.

when the power stored in the battery is full you cut supplying the battery with power from generator using relays or in some how,

when the battery needs power you connect the generator to bettery and supply power from the generator and so on and so fourth.

let me know what do you think.

thanks.

Abdullah

Although, it is possible to greatly increase efficiency with properly designed devices, sending a letter to GM is not going to make it happen.

I have been doing a lot of research the last few days on alternative fuel / free fuel / high efficiency solutions, And... Oddly enough, They HAVE invented cars that run on straight water. No gasoline or other form of fuel whatsoever. But, sadly enough, the guy who did this, All of his work magically disappointed and he died of a O/D in a parking lot. Tesla invented free electricity, If you research on this, you will discover westinghouse, shut the door on him because.... There was no way to meter it. He also invented ways of transferring energy via something like a radio wave. He had a old electronic powered vehicle, with no on board energy source at all. It was powered via electric transferred via the air. I can't explain how it works, but, if you dig around on the internet, there is a lot of documentation.

Point being... The greatest obstacle to invention and technology, is, major cooperations. Lots of great inventions and technology over the years have just "disappeared."

Sorry for the wall of text..... haha.

perpetual motion machine Is not possible. you would have to rewrite all the laws of physics.

If you study quantum physics, you will realize that the laws of physics, have many many holes in them. But, sadly , perpetual motion has not been invented yet. But, water powered cars have!

On the physics side, looking at it from a therotical standpoint, Water is actually a much better fuel then gasoline.

Using the e=mc2 thing.... Energy = mass * (velocity of light) ^ 2... So...
A fuel with a heavier mass, therotically has more energy.

Pure Water is 1000kg/cu.m
Gasoline is 737.22kg/cu.m

So, by following the physics here, water contains more potential energy then gasoline. But, in todays technologly, This involves breaking h20 into HHO.
This requires enough energy to break apart the bonds...... Which, usually ends up consuming more energy then its worth to make it pratical. Although, There was somebody who did a hellova job at it and made a awesome water powerd car that broke down the bond inside of the combustion chamber somehow...........

Op if it were that easy it would have been done already.

Perpetual motion doesn't seem so far fetched in theory but reaity is a different story, it sounds simple you point a flashlight at a solar panel and have the solar panel power the flashlight. Unfortunately it just doesn't work

What about the Atmos clock?

The Atmos clock uses the natural daily variations in atmospheric pressure to wind itself. They are very delicate intricate machines but will last indefinitely if left alone. They are fascinating pieces of engineering.

Shane

parts eventually wear out, even though the clock would last forever if friction wasnt a factor. this falls under the 99.999 (reapeating till its painfull to keep typing 9's) percent efficent catagory. I also have something to add to my perpetual atom theory. the universe. all energy inside the universe is constant, even when there is a transfer of energy that energy never leaves the universe (as far as we know) so the universe is a self sustained mass that is always in motion. anythoughts on that one, thought of it while I was on the toilet transfering some energy.

Might be easier to wait for cold fusion cars.

I say we should harness the power of sex, the world would never go dark.

Might be easier to wait for cold fusion cars.

That will only happen if the fuel for cold fusion can be produced from petroleum oil and the major oil companies will still make billions of dollars of profits still. Else, they will just buy out the patents and destroy them.

Op if it were that easy it would have been done already.




I hate when people say this! :nod:

The guy who was running the patent office around 1900 said he wanted to close the patent office because everything that can be invented has been....

Everyday something pops up that makes someone say " I wish I had thought of that it's so simple!"

There are a lot of things that aren't being done that are easy to some. Just takes someone to want to do them.

The comment I am making here has nothing to do with the OPs idea. Just the comment I quoted

to go with the thread the only way you can get any kind of power from driving is to covert any unused power back into the system and there is only one kind that is when you slow down the the power to do that is wasted if you look up some of the new E cars they have small gens on them that will help slow down the car and put power back in the car just like small lights on bikes that go on the rim. i do not know if GM is doing this but thats some things to help

now for all this energy talk yes there is many way not to use gas and there out there but the fact is its all about cost if you do not think that gas is way over priced and it can not go lower you are way off they are going to just keep it under all outher new age power ways so that they can not get a start up and this will happen till gas is truly more and can not do this under bid any more

parts eventually wear out, even though the clock would last forever if friction wasnt a factor. this falls under the 99.999 (reapeating till its painfull to keep typing 9's) percent efficent catagory. I also have something to add to my perpetual atom theory. the universe. all energy inside the universe is constant, even when there is a transfer of energy that energy never leaves the universe (as far as we know) so the universe is a self sustained mass that is always in motion. anythoughts on that one, thought of it while I was on the toilet transfering some energy.
I believe the general hypothesis is that the universe is expanding but will stop expanding at some point and start to collapse inward until it is once again "nothing." So, not even the universe falls under perpetual motion, I don't think.

the theory is expansion and contraction, its called the oscillating big bang theory, all objects are drawn togeather until critical mass is reached at which point the "big bang" occurs scattering the universe again. under this theory mass/energy is never lost and I believe its still widely accepted that this holds true for most every theory. the idea that all things just come to an end seems more along the lines of a religious theory where things are created and will one day be destroyed.

and we're worried about them and WMD :rolleyes:

:jest:

The energy required to turn anything on a vehicle that would provide any type of power requires additional power to operate it. The best way to look at it is that nothing is free.

Check out the link at www.fiskarautomotive.com.I've read they're re-tooling an old outdated car mfg .plant to make these on the East coast.Thats the closest to "self powered", as of yet.

There is a way for this to happen one day, just not feasible with the technology we have now. I.E. We aren't smart enough to trick physics just yet.

If a generator has no electrical load it is very easy to spin. Start sucking electric power from it and it gets progessively harder and harder to turn. Look at a big diesel genset. Why do you think they use a whopping big diesel if they could use a lawn mower engine to drive it? Easy. for every 100kW of electricity you pull out you need to put about 105kW of mechanical energy in. Simple as that. Once the add-on generator of you electric car starts to feed the battery, it gets gets harder to turn and starts to slow the car down! The very same way that regenerative braking works on an electric car. The hard-to-turn generator (traction motor) slows the car down as it pumps up the batteries. All part of "the cussedness of nature".

the other day i thought of another possible way to start a car. though its not exactly what you were talking about it may give some ideas.

now i'm not sure if it would actually work, it was just the thought

i have Louvers on my third gen and i though, what if in the middle sections i replaced that, or part of each row, with strips of those solar pads. i then run it to the passenger fender wheel well where its met by a battery relocation type kit.

in that well the generator or solar battery would rest.

if a person didnt want the louvers then they could apply a solar film which could almost act as a hatch tint. ( i checked they have flexible solar film)
though i do not know if its transparent

After you purchase the solar panels, you will have already spent more money than you would save in gas.

If you study quantum physics, you will realize that the laws of physics, have many many holes in them.

Holes? No. Everything relevant to this thread has been well understood for about a hundred years. Where the lack of knowledge comes in is with understanding how atoms and sub-atomic particles interact (More than a trillion trillion times smaller than us), and how things such as galaxies and quasars interact (More than a trillion trillion times larger than us).

But, sadly , perpetual motion has not been invented yet. Go into outer space. Throw a rock. Done.

The problem isn't perpetual motion. The problem is finding places to convert energy into a usable form (electrical, mechanical, or two adjacent zones of differing heat)

But, water powered cars have! No.

On the physics side, looking at it from a therotical standpoint, Water is actually a much better fuel then gasoline.

Using the e=mc2 thing.... Energy = mass * (velocity of light) ^ 2... So...
A fuel with a heavier mass, therotically has more energy.

Pure Water is 1000kg/cu.m
Gasoline is 737.22kg/cu.m

Complete failure to understand how chemical reactions work.

The reasoning you just used is akin to saying that if we have two balls, one big and one small, and we're about to see how much energy we can get from rolling it down the hill, that the big ball would have more energy even if it was at the bottom of the hill already. It won't. The big ball would have more energy if it was at the top of the hill. IE if it was hydrogen gas + oxygen gas instead of water.

All energy derived from chemical reactions (burning fuel, etc) comes from breaking or making bonds and releasing or consuming energy. Hydrogen and Oxygen are at a higher energy state than water, because when burned, they release energy. The hydrogen and oxygen release energy and move into a lower energy state: water. To break the bonds of water, you have to give it energy. ... the same exact amount of energy that is released when burning hydrogen. Imagine that!

its not possible trust me in order to do this you have to have no energy lost as heat which is also im possible becuase of the resistance in the motor and also in the generator. the heat loss makes it impossible because energy is not created nor lost only converted into heat which eventually all of ur energy in your car would convert to heat and ud have a deadass car. dont u think something as simple as that has already been tried if that was the case we woulda had electric selp propulsion cars decades ago but the fact is, This cannot be done with todays technology. you would have to have some sort of way to convert all the heat back to useable energy or have an external source of energy such as the sun or wind energy entering the system to help compensate for the loss due to heat. i really hope for your sake u didnt send that to gm

and we're worried about them and WMD :rolleyes:

:jest:

hahaha....

you could use something that could work off the earths barometric pressures.maybe with a bronze tube and brass socket you would prob need alot of someting to even get power ......

are you refferring to a gas engine that powers a generator and using that to drive the vehicle or using the vehicle while its driving to power the generator to charge the batteries? Sounds like the idea behind the Prius

Newtons Laws of Motion-1
Perpetual Motion-0

you could use something that could work off the earths barometric pressures.maybe with a bronze tube and brass socket you would prob need alot of someting to even get power ......

Barometric pressure?

Pressure only works through differentials. You can't just magically make pressure do something. You have to work against it to build potential energy of any sort.

I like how you specifically mention brass and bronze, like the materials used would matter.

Darp.

Guys, look! I figured it out! It works!

Guys, look! I figured it out! It works!

Your a idiot.

You're an idiot*

If you are going to insult someone get it right..

And secondly, he's right. It's impossible.

Your a idiot.

You're the one that has been trying to use an anti-matter reaction equation for a car engine.

Go fuck yourself.

Without getting into complex explanations of the laws of thermodynamics and energy conservation, let's put this into layman's terms: Let's say that you have a motor that generates the 1 kilowatt of power to drive the vehicle and then also drives a 1 kilowatt alternator/generator; in order to drive said apparatus you must use something physical, such as a belt or shaft. It takes energy to make this shaft turn or belt to move, this sucks energy away from the machine (parasitic loss). And while one day 99.99999% efficiency MAY be possible(highly unlikely, but possible), unless you can cut parasitic loss out of the equation 100% efficiency can never be achieved. You would need a drivetrain that has a mass of exactly 0.

Without getting into complex explanations of the laws of thermodynamics and energy conservation, let's put this into layman's terms:
Stop playing pretend smart.

Let's say that you have a motor that generates the 1 kilowatt of power to drive the vehicle and then also drives a 1 kilowatt alternator/generator;
Oh you mean like in the joke post I made above?

in order to drive said apparatus you must use something physical, such as a belt or shaft.
Wow really?

It takes energy to make this shaft turn or belt to move, this sucks energy away from the machine (parasitic loss).
...
You would need a drivetrain that has a mass of exactly 0
Completely wrong. Parasitic drag is caused by friction and rolling resistance, both of which are properties of the forces imparted upon them. They in no way rely upon drivetrains having mass.

And while one day 99.99999% efficiency MAY be possible(highly unlikely, but possible), unless you can cut parasitic loss out of the equation 100% efficiency can never be achieved. .
Okay. What's your point? It doesn't fucking matter either way. Even if a 1kW motor and generator could spin each other forever, it would be completely useless.

here is a feasible way that will be the closest youll ever get:

roof of durable solar panels
rear wheels hooked to a generator
gas engine hooked to a generator
electric motor for front wheels

plug in, gas supplemental power generation, power generation via motion, power generation via sun. you can not and will not get 100% return on power used to run the generator that its using power from.

nvm this would only have started a flame war. but I'll admit my wording was wrong, replace drag with loss and my point was still very clear

That will only happen if the fuel for cold fusion can be produced from petroleum oil and the major oil companies will still make billions of dollars of profits still. Else, they will just buy out the patents and destroy them.

I can't believe how many people believe this conspiracy nonsense that petroleum companies hold all sorts of patents for advanced alternative energy technologies and suppress it all.

All patents by definition are fucking public information! Secret patents don't exist!

http://www.google.com/patents

As soon as someone is granted a patent it becomes public, therefore impossible to keep secret. To keep a patent secret defeats the whole purpose of the patent system!

Why would anyone even withhold such an advanced technology that you could make billions off of anyways!

People who believe conspiracies are mentally retarded.

If you study quantum physics, you will realize that the laws of physics, have many many holes in them.

Please, do share with us!


But, sadly , perpetual motion has not been invented yet. But, water powered cars have!

Yeah, where?


On the physics side, looking at it from a therotical standpoint, Water is actually a much better fuel then gasoline.

Using the e=mc2 thing.... Energy = mass * (velocity of light) ^ 2... So...
A fuel with a heavier mass, therotically has more energy.

Pure Water is 1000kg/cu.m
Gasoline is 737.22kg/cu.m

So, by following the physics here, water contains more potential energy then gasoline. But, in todays technologly, This involves breaking h20 into HHO.
This requires enough energy to break apart the bonds...... Which, usually ends up consuming more energy then its worth to make it pratical. Although, There was somebody who did a hellova job at it and made a awesome water powerd car that broke down the bond inside of the combustion chamber somehow...........

:eyes:

From the guy that claims to have studies quantum physics?

I have a 200 lbs boulder in my backyard, can I use it to run my car?

Please, do share with us!



Yeah, where?



:eyes:

From the guy that claims to have studies quantum physics?

I have a 200 lbs boulder in my backyard, can I use it to run my car?

Yea, sure, tie a rope around it. Tie the other end to the car. and push it off a cliff. Make sure you get in the car once you have the boulder rolling.

Pretty smart idea actually. Would fix the issue of me having to listen to you on these forums.

This is what happens with nerd frustration. You get a completely useless thread about crap that doesnt make any sense.

This is what happens with nerd frustration. You get a completely useless thread about crap that doesnt make any sense.

I personally think the thread should be locked. Every time somebody tries to add useful relevant information, somebody else has to come along and flame all over it like they are accomplishing something.

I personally think the thread should be locked. Every time somebody tries to add useful relevant information, somebody else has to come along and flame all over it like they are accomplishing something.

While information in this thread is relevant, none of it is useful. We are talking about something that is literally impossible. If this thread should be locked it should be due to the fact that it's science fiction, not advanced engineering haha.

hand powered generator to power the batteries. idk i dont like electric cars, i like real cars, you know, the ones that drink alotta gas and farts out deadly emissions while i go hittin 160 listenin to the sweet roar of my ls, can't wait til i get ahold of some money to upgrade my 3.8. thats what i like >:)

its possible but not yet probable untill the technology to make these more efficient is put in place, besides if you did invent something like this and try to market it you would dissappear just like stanley myer who built a dune buggy that would go thousands of miles on one gallon of water via diodes running electric current thru water which breaks apart the hydrogen which is 100x more combustible than gasoline making it therfore extremely efficient and a clean burn, yes i have seen real cars run off this stuff...

its possible but not yet probable untill the technology to make these more efficient is put in place, besides if you did invent something like this and try to market it you would dissappear just like stanley myer who built a dune buggy that would go thousands of miles on one gallon of water via diodes running electric current thru water which breaks apart the hydrogen which is 100x more combustible than gasoline making it therfore extremely efficient and a clean burn, yes i have seen real cars run off this stuff...

Hell, about 2 or 3 pages ago, i said something along the lines that I have seen/heard of cars powered by water. I have seen some pretty cool things, but, what makes me wonder... Is, what happens to them? You dont make a water powered car and thats the end of the story, right?

;14432645']While information in this thread is relevant, none of it is useful. We are talking about something that is literally impossible. If this thread should be locked it should be due to the fact that it's science fiction, not advanced engineering haha.

QFT.

Idiots.

Hell, about 2 or 3 pages ago, i said something along the lines that I have seen/heard of cars powered by water. I have seen some pretty cool things, but, what makes me wonder... Is, what happens to them? You dont make a water powered car and thats the end of the story, right?

You don't see it because it's complete BS snake oil.

If you've really seen this, post it from a credible source!

its possible but not yet probable untill the technology to make these more efficient is put in place, besides if you did invent something like this and try to market it you would dissappear just like stanley myer who built a dune buggy that would go thousands of miles on one gallon of water via diodes running electric current thru water which breaks apart the hydrogen which is 100x more combustible than gasoline making it therfore extremely efficient and a clean burn, yes i have seen real cars run off this stuff...

More BS posted by some moron who probably doesn't even have a high school diploma!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell?wasRedirected=true

Just another scammer trying to sell a perpetual motion machine.

Abdullah has all of you all uptight over this stuff, while he builds his WMD while you all are distracted.:laser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs-Uk511S_I&feature=related

Water powered cars anybody?

Water powered cars anybody?

Do you see a water powered car????

I sure don't.

Do you see a water powered car????

I sure don't.

Are you fucking stupid? Can you not see the reference i am making to the video in the post? Is your head made out of a rock? Did I say shit about a water powered car anywheres? Or did i point to a fucking video that shows water igniting?

Jesus Christ, Read before you post. Go Flame on some other board that gives a shit about your worthless ass posts.

Are you fucking stupid? Can you not see the reference i am making to the video in the post? Is your head made out of a rock? Did I say shit about a water powered car anywheres? Or did i point to a fucking video that shows water igniting?

Jesus Christ, Read before you post. Go Flame on some other board that gives a shit about your worthless ass posts.

Actually at the bottom of your post it makes a reference to water powered cars.. and "Water igniting" isn't anything knew.. Just breaking the bonds between H2O and forming HHO then burning.. Takes more energy to convert than you gain from burning.

Direct drive..... okay just kidding.

How about directly connecting the electric motors main shaft to the main shaft of the generator/altinator. Then have the power from the gen/alt feed to a step up transformer then back into the motor?

Just a thought (goes back into fallout shelter)...

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Direct drive..... okay just kidding.

How about directly connecting the electric motors main shaft to the main shaft of the generator/altinator. Then have the power from the gen/alt feed to a step up transformer then back into the motor?

Just a thought (goes back into fallout shelter)...

Thermodynamics.

For everyone else,

Perpetual motion WILL NOT WORK!



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...and this is in the advanced engineering tech section hahahahaha

There are scientific laws that prove that perpetual motion is impossible. ALL forms of energy need some form of fuel, and you will never get an equal or excess amount of energy from any source. Maybe one day we will come close, but we can not achieve it. And the "believers" that blindly pursue this are why Fleischmann and Pons made so much bank over a fake theory.

Michio Kaku say perpetual motion is possible.. They only thing you need is an alternate universe with it's own laws of physics that are nothing like the ones we have here! That shouldn't be hard to find.

;14612213']Michio Kaku say perpetual motion is possible.. They only thing you need is an alternate universe with it's own laws of physics that are nothing like the ones we have here! That shouldn't be hard to find.

if you believe string theory... there are 11... so take your pick.

11 dimensions. I said universe :) That would be the multiverse theory

WTF has happened to this forum? I hope you all die in a fire.!

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Schematic

Incorporate this as the charging system, use relays and software to switch between however many spare batteries needed, and you're all set!

Charging solely off an axle belt running a generator will indeed allow you to run further than you could off of just batteries, but friction and battery life will eventually leave you stranded with low batteries. However, don't can the axle generator idea completely... Using it and the Tesla Generator in combo will certainly compensate for the friction component.

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I think you will find this article of interest:

http://keelynet.com/energy/teslcar.htm

Check out the original article and commentary at the bottom of the page.

This is dealing with the theory of reciprocating current. RC current is thought to be a side effect of, and transfered by, magnetic fields. Therefore it can be directed to a certain area and transmitted much like radio waves, as was stated earlier. Whether this entire story is true, and whether or not this form of electricity can be harnessed is another story. There are a couple of people out there who claim to have built a Tesla like "RC generator". Is it true? Well I've never seen one work. If it is truly usable, and Tesla did really figure it out, then he was more genious than anyone thought.

The theory is that since all objects affect magnetic fields through the bending of the gravitational plane, RC current is generated as a side affect of the distortion. It is claimed by some, that this RC current can be drawn out of thin air and converted to AC or DC current. Never seen one of these devices work however. If it would work though, you could power a car with it.

Simply put, energy cannot be created from nothing.. How are you all having trouble understanding this..They are called the LAWS of Thermodynamics for a reason lol. Sure magnetic induction creates current.. what creates the magnetic field? The energy has to come from somewhere.. Just think about it..

just to think i having been paying for gas all these years! damn! lol.

how is this thread still open?

Well this thread made my night.

Oh and the universe is not a perpetual motion machine, theres this thing called entropy, its what makes all perpetual motion machines not work.

Nuclear powered cars is about the closest we could get.
Maybe we should ask Japan what they think?

There are other ways to obtain energy. I tried developing this the past year while in college. There is a lot of technology out there such as the energy obtained from hitting the brakes, solar panels, etc. My idea, which I ran into a flaw is to use a magnet that spins within another magnet (or something to contain an electric field). I was able to create an electric field, but I couldn't find a way to obtain the energy. Downfall to this is weight, and it only produces so much power, not enough to transfer into kinetic energy. But, if you have multiple magnets spinning it might create a good deal of power when combined with solar panels, and the use of kinetic friction. I have given up on the experimenting, but I feel someone with more knowledge and materials could find a break through in this. The new Chevy Volt is pretty revolutionary since it uses a generator to reproduce electrical energy much like the idea of the electrical engine recharging the primary motor. hopefully someone can come with a good idea and make billions off of these concepts lol

Edit: ahahahhaahahah at Corbin's comment ^^

There are other ways to obtain energy. I tried developing this the past year while in college. There is a lot of technology out there such as the energy obtained from hitting the brakes, solar panels, etc. My idea, which I ran into a flaw is to use a magnet that spins within another magnet (or something to contain an electric field). I was able to create an electric field, but I couldn't find a way to obtain the energy. Downfall to this is weight, and it only produces so much power, not enough to transfer into kinetic energy. But, if you have multiple magnets spinning it might create a good deal of power when combined with solar panels, and the use of kinetic friction. I have given up on the experimenting, but I feel someone with more knowledge and materials could find a break through in this. The new Chevy Volt is pretty revolutionary since it uses a generator to reproduce electrical energy much like the idea of the electrical engine recharging the primary motor. hopefully someone can come with a good idea and make billions off of these concepts lol

Edit: ahahahhaahahah at Corbin's comment ^^


Correct me if im wrong.... but... the magnet spinning with magnet thing, Isnt that exactly how generators and alternators work to begin with? Or did i misunderstand you.

Essentially yes. I was trying to take that idea and make it self propelled.....failed lol

The Chevy Volt is not revolutionary.

It's an electric car with a generator attached to it. The only way to save much money with it is to plug it in at your house so you never use the generator.

All hybrids are just regular cars with electric motors that capture energy from braking to use later.

When you charge a battery or use an electric motor, it produces/stores less energy than you used on it.

The Chevy Volt is not revolutionary.

It's an electric car with a generator attached to it. The only way to save much money with it is to plug it in at your house so you never use the generator.

All hybrids are just regular cars with electric motors that capture energy from braking to use later.

When you charge a battery or use an electric motor, it produces/stores less energy than you used on it.

If you asked me, it was a 40,000$ piece of shit, with less power then a ford festiva, Takes 10 hours to fill up the electric tank, And, my truck can go further on one tank of gas, then its battery and gastank combined.

edit.

the hud is cool as hell though.

Well this thread made my night.

Oh and the universe is not a perpetual motion machine, theres this thing called entropy, its what makes all perpetual motion machines not work.

But, as far as the universe is concerned, energy can neither be created nor destroyed only transferred. So the Universe (supposedly) goes through a never ending cycle of expansion and contraction, forever, w/o losing or wasting a single bit of energy.

btw, this is the most useless thread on ls1tech :)

^^^^ We have a winner. How in the hell is this even still being talked about?

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! The Laws of Thermodynamics and the Law of Conservation of Energy all contradict it.

One of the closest things to a perpetual motion machine is the Atmos Clocks.

I can not believe this thing has gone this far. Anyone want to buy a bridge, I have one for sale.

I think as long as humans walk the earth somebody will be talking about and trying to develope some sort of perpetual motion machine. I had an uncle who tried for years, and of course, never succeeded. Even a permanent magnet motor will eventually break down.

^^ Very true but it still needs to be recognized that the OP has obviously not done his homework and read up on perpetual motion machines...

Even Einstein couldn't invent such an object!

I like how people use solar panels as and idea for perpetual motion. That isn't a machine creating it's own energy.. it's harvesting it from the sun.. You know what else did that? The dinosaurs before they died and turned into fossil fuels.. and now we burn them.. for energy.... . . . . PERPETUAL MOTION YO! >.>

best. thread. ever. I'm developing a dark energy harnesser to propel my car. Steve Hawking and I go way back, yo.

This is the most useless thread on ls1tech :)

And that's saying a lot. :eyes:

best. thread. ever. I'm developing a dark energy harnesser to propel my car. Steve Hawking and I go way back, yo.

I was going to fire up my particle accelerator and harness anti-matter to use in mine...

I'll use a flux capasitor

what kind of fuel they will use when the oil (petrol) vanishes?

liquid Hydrogen? solar energy? or we will return back to the life as we were before petrol.

Alcohol would be one possibility to substitute oil, but you'd be burning 3x the amount and there's no lubrication properties. I can see what you're trying to brainstorm here, but many people have attempted a perpetual energy machine and failed. Almost everything is finite and will break or suffer from frictional loss. If it is possible, we sure don't have the technology to do it yet.

Please, do share with us!


I have a 200 lbs boulder in my backyard, can I use it to run my car?

You're the one that has been trying to use an anti-matter reaction equation for a car engine.

Go fuck yourself.

Stop playing pretend smart.

You guy's rock! I really needed this today...had me laughing so hard I cried. Best fucking thread EVER!!!

Oh my. The whole idea sounds great and all, for old people maybe. Whether or not it would work doesn't matter. Either way, it would be way too fucking slow and boring. Maybe I would invest in one when I retire, untill then... As for using alcahol to substiture oil. That's insain. Who the hell would waste alcohol by burning it in a car that might only go 20 miles an hour. I might, it I were going to drive it off a cliff. LOL. Just giving you guys a hard time.

Witts.com look at the self powered generator. Interesting quantum physics.