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I'm going to unzip my vagina and let my balls hang out and run a 175 shot. I'm running your 78mm plate with some NX solenoids. I've had the solenoids on the car and spraying for a little over 2 years. Do you think these solenoids are sufficient enough or should i upgrade?

Also, how much timing should i pull? 9 degrees? Will BR7EF's gapped at .32 be fine?

and most important, what jetting would be around a 175 shot? 67N 36-38F?

I'm going to unzip my vagina and let my balls hang out and run a 175 shot.

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Now to answer your questions.

The noids should be fine and for the timing, pulling 9-10* is fine and the plug gap is ok too. The 175hp jetting will be 73N20 39Fuel

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Now to answer your questions.

The noids should be fine and for the timing, pulling 9-10* is fine and the plug gap is ok too. The 175hp jetting will be 73N20 39Fuel

73N?! The jet calculator i use says thats a tad over 200hp? My calculations show its around a 67N? I thought the chart i have from you guys shows a 74 as a 200shot?

thats 175 to the tire :secret2:

Yea the calculator i used said 67N is 172rwhp....

Their jetting says .078 is a 200, but I think it's more like 225 with a correct tune. NO lists .046 for the fuel side, but I'm sure that's really rich.

hmm i have a .62 in right now for a 150 shot. The calculator says the .62 is 147rwhp. Why would it be wrong on the .67 for a 175 shot? I can't believe i'm questioning the boys at Nitrous Outlet lol just trying to get this right

hmm i have a .62 in right now for a 150 shot. The calculator says the .62 is 147rwhp. Why would it be wrong on the .67 for a 175 shot? I can't believe i'm questioning the boys at Nitrous Outlet lol just trying to get this right

50- n35 f22
100- n52 f33
150- n62 f38
200- n78 f46

Not sure about the 175 but these are the jets in 50 hp increments.

50- n35 f22
100- n52 f33
150- n62 f38
200- n78 f46

Not sure about the 175 but these are the jets in 50 hp increments.

Yea i have that jetting chart and jets up to 250. I can tell you one thing and that is their chart on the fuel side is way rich. A 150 in most cases should be N62 F33. I hit the dyno after i installed the plate. I went off their chart for the 150 shot. My afr's dipped into the 9's with that .38 fuel jet, pig rich! Took it out and put the .33 back in. I was told from another member on here that a .67N .36F would be around a 175 shot. A .73 jet seems huge for a 175 hit.

So your 150 is 62/33? That helps me for that is what I will be spraying very soon. Did you check the a/f with the 33 in there since the 38 put you into the 9s?

loooks like people are learning around here. good job guys! :cheers:

camscam02 i think you were the one that told me in another thread that a .67N .36F would be about 175.

Which soleniods Is that you have sir?

my .62N .35F in my nitrous outlet plate gained extactly that 147whp and is right at 12.0 a/f with 6* pulled(21 total). i'll be going to 175 soon and was thinking around .67-.70

The online calculators are a generic form of coming up with a close jetting. However it is not the most accurate way of doing so. It does not take into calculation certain things.

Different products have different flow charastics. For example a plate versus a nozzle may have complete different jetting. Two different types of directports may have a different jetting as well. The jetting is determained by flow.. Not an online conversion.

All of our jetting is figured at the rear wheel. And if you look at our customers results its pretty much dead nuts on.

Your best bet is to always listen to the manufacture that makes the parts you are using. Not some one online or your buddy down the street. After all how could they know more about a product than the company that makes it?

A 175 jetting is 73 nitrous and at 55psi we suggest a 38 fuel pill. Our jetting is rated at the rear wheel not the fly wheel. We are more interested in rear wheel horse power than fly wheel horse power.

So happens if you look at many of the nitrous companies that use rear wheel hp on there single nozzle systems they are seeing a 73 jet as being 175 at the fly wheel as well.

Our plate shares the same flow charistics as our nozzle as far as X amount of nitrous flow equals X amount of power to the rear wheel.

Listen to us. We know more about our product than anyone else.. Only makes since right?
Dave

Answer me this dave... you use a 62 jet for the 150 as well as a couple other companies use that same size jet for that shot, yet for the 175 and 200 you use a significantly larger jets then those same companies for those same size shot. Now you say its based on flow... so your plate needs more jet to flow what the other companies nozzles/plates flow for that given hp from 175 up??? Kinda see what im getting at here.

Answer me this dave... you use a 62 jet for the 150 as well as a couple other companies use that same size jet for that shot, yet for the 175 and 200 you use a significantly larger jets then those same companies for those same size shot. Now you say its based on flow... so your plate needs more jet to flow what the other companies nozzles/plates flow for that given hp from 175 up??? Kinda see what im getting at here.

Cam,
I am limited to what I will share in the area as some of it is propriatary knowledge.

Why dont you break down what you are comparing what to and I will do my best to explain it to you with what info I am willing to share.

Dave

Cam,
I am limited to what I will share in the area as some of it is propriatary knowledge.

Why dont you break down what you are comparing what to and I will do my best to explain it to you with what info I am willing to share.

Dave

Thats a lot of research I really dont feel like doing really. It was just interesting to me so I thought I would comment on the jet size vs flow part.

All I was comparing was the jet size needed for a certain shot. and how they are mostly the same for all manufactures at 150 but then get different and some by a large margin which leads me to flow and you obviously need more jet to flow x amount of nitrous to reach the 175 or 200 hp level.

Now im not arguing or saying so and so is better, but just an interesting observation.

Thats a lot of research I really dont feel like doing really. It was just interesting to me so I thought I would comment on the jet size vs flow part.

All I was comparing was the jet size needed for a certain shot. and how they are mostly the same for all manufactures at 150 but then get different and some by a large margin which leads me to flow and you obviously need more jet to flow x amount of nitrous to reach the 175 or 200 hp level.

Now im not arguing or saying so and so is better, but just an interesting observation.

I asked for the info to back your observation so that I could explain the differences to what you are comparing. Need to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. Out of al the nitrous companies suggested jetting charts I have most of the companies are pretty similiar to each other. You have to make sure you are comparing a similiar part to a similiar part and rwh to rwh vs fw to fw.

Dave

some damn good info in here

I like what camscam02 is getting at. I did a search yesterday before i made this thread about the 175 shot size. I found on numerous sites that a 67-70N 38-39F would be around a 175 shot. Now your telling me a 175 shot is a .73N when a 150 shot is a .62N? That seems like quite the jump in size to gain a measly 25hp? Maybe what camscam02 was talking about with this plate needing more jet to flow the same amount of nitrous as other companies do on smaller jets is right, but i'm not agreeing with that. It just has me wondering.

The kit i have on the car is a Nitrous Express universal wet kit. When i first dyno'd the car on a 150 shot it laid down 495rwhp/549rwtq with a .62N .33F like their chart says.

Now just a couple months ago i slapped on the Nitrous Outlet 78mm plate and used that chart which says .62N .38F for a 150 shot. I was disappointed with the numbers (on the hp side) to be honest. Laid down 455rwhp/587rwtq but i'm sure the hp numbers were down due to not enough nitrous for all that fuel being added from that .38 jet on the fuel side, it was PIG RICH! Put the .33 back in and it runs like a champ.

All i want to do is add a little bit more, like a 175 shot. To me a .67N .36-.38F jet seems about right. But if what camscam02 is getting at is right then maybe a .73N is needed to flow enough through the plate to get 175rwhp.

I like what camscam02 is getting at. I did a search yesterday before i made this thread about the 175 shot size. I found on numerous sites that a 67-70N 38-39F would be around a 175 shot. Now your telling me a 175 shot is a .73N when a 150 shot is a .62N? That seems like quite the jump in size to gain a measly 25hp? Maybe what camscam02 was talking about with this plate needing more jet to flow the same amount of nitrous as other companies do on smaller jets is right, but i'm not agreeing with that. It just has me wondering.

The kit i have on the car is a Nitrous Express universal wet kit. When i first dyno'd the car on a 150 shot it laid down 495rwhp/549rwtq with a .62N .33F like their chart says.

Now just a couple months ago i slapped on the Nitrous Outlet 78mm plate and used that chart which says .62N .38F for a 150 shot. I was disappointed with the numbers (on the hp side) to be honest. Laid down 455rwhp/587rwtq but i'm sure the hp numbers were down due to not enough nitrous for all that fuel being added from that .38 jet on the fuel side, it was PIG RICH! Put the .33 back in and it runs like a champ.

All i want to do is add a little bit more, like a 175 shot. To me a .67N .36-.38F jet seems about right. But if what camscam02 is getting at is right then maybe a .73N is needed to flow enough through the plate to get 175rwhp.

Like it states on our jet chart the suggested jetting is a starting point. On most cars the suggested jetting is rich. We set it up like that to protect the people who just bolt it on and cross there fingers. Deciding to present the suggested starting point for the tune up on the rich side has had its bennifits as well as its disadvantages. Some people have a hard time comprehending STARTING POINT FOR TUNE UP. and in some applications it has saved customers from blowing up there motor due to not checking the tune up.

When the airfuel is dialed in correctly the system will make the power.

Here are plenty of our customers that prove the point.
http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/videos/index.asp

Since you had a NX system look at there single nozzle jetting for 175 and 200 hp.. Its the same suggested nitrous jet as what we suggest for our plate. A properly designed nozzle with one flow passage is about as less of a restriction as you are going to get other than flowing just a jet only. There nozzle is a great flowing nozzle and by far has been on the market for many years.

We flow test our products and we also dyno test them. Our product is rated at the rear wheel. We are taking into concideration drivetrain loss as well. By seting up the jetting this way there are alot of variables that come into play. That is why results may in many cases vary from 10 hp or so either which way.

We have seen different cars have completely different results with the same system and same jetting. I have seen cars make spec on the power. Some cars make alittle under and some make way over.. All depended on the car.

Another thing to concider... There are alot of varibles that come into play when determaining flowing horsepower.
Jets can be machined differently. One jet marked .062 may be completely different when spec to another brand jet marked .062.

Different size solenoids, different hoses, different bottle valves etc can alter flow rates.. There are alot of varibles.

Nothing is writen into stone.. Its all just a suggested starting point to tune your system in at. Adjust the fuel jet to the airfuel target and adjust the nitrous jet to the horse power level you are looking to achieve.

Dave

Well i guess there is only one thing to do and that is go to the dyno. I need a tune anyway, so while i'm there i'll mess with the nitrous jetting and see what this .67 puts down first.

Another question. I've been thinking about going with the .125 nitrous solenoid from nitrous outlet. The solenoids i have now are the ones that come with this kit from NX 20920-10, but they're not the carbon fiber ones, is that nitrous solenoid smaller than .125? I plan on spraying more in the future than a 150 or 175. Would the .125 benefit me any right now with my setup and in the future? more flow? better numbers?

Would the .125 from NO be a direct replacement for what i have now? (4AN line to the solenoid, 3AN line to the plate, and purge port on the side of the solenoid)

nitrous outlet? anyone? You guys didn't give up on me did you? haha

Another question. I've been thinking about going with the .125 nitrous solenoid from nitrous outlet. The solenoids i have now are the ones that come with this kit from NX 20920-10, but they're not the carbon fiber ones, is that nitrous solenoid smaller than .125? I plan on spraying more in the future than a 150 or 175. Would the .125 benefit me any right now with my setup and in the future? more flow? better numbers?

Would the .125 from NO be a direct replacement for what i have now? (4AN line to the solenoid, 3AN line to the plate, and purge port on the side of the solenoid)

The solenoid that NX shiped with the 20920 kit is a .093. Its capable flowin about 300 hp. I personally prefer there old style solenoids over there new carbon fiber/ aluminum solenoids. Our .125 solenoid uses the same fitting arrangement as there .093 old style solenoid.
Dave