Gen 5 Camaro Drivetrain Tech - Richmond 4.10 gears

Thinking about getting a set but there's been at least a couple reported failures. Any other people have experience here? Don't wanna drop $1000+ only to have the teeth knocked out after 100 miles.

Installer ftl, but I have a new in box set with the master install kit I'll sell for 750 shipped

Installer ftl, but I have a new in box set with the master install kit I'll sell for 750 shipped

yea I haven't heard of many bad cases of these. There have been bad batches of gears before, but it is likely an install issue. We have the Richmond 4.10 and 3.73 gears as well as kits available on our website (see sig)

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just too bad your not giving enough parts to set up the new gears,, the richmond 1/2 kit does not include any side shims and i have not set one up yet that could re-use the factory shims

We always recommend the full install kit, even on low mileage vehicles (just our experience). Nothing worse than fishing around for additional parts in the middle of a job! Just our $0.02. Either way, always support your sponsors!

We also carry the gears and complete install kit/fluids.

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We always recommend the full install kit, even on low mileage vehicles (just our experience). Nothing worse than fishing around for additional parts in the middle of a job! Just our $0.02. Either way, always support your sponsors!

We also carry the gears and complete install kit/fluids.

Erik@Lashway


We also recommend the full install kit. It is the only kit we will use with in shop installs.

Thinking about getting a set but there's been at least a couple reported failures. Any other people have experience here? Don't wanna drop $1000+ only to have the teeth knocked out after 100 miles.

We just did a gear swap to 4.10 richmond no problems whatsoever.No noise at all and a durable gear when installed properly.

We just did a gear swap to 4.10 richmond no problems whatsoever.No noise at all and a durable gear when installed properly.

and all the sets with failures were improperly installed? don't bet on it. several very reputable shops have had failures. there is an issue with the gears that richmond hasn't admitted as of yet

and all the sets with failures were improperly installed? don't bet on it. several very reputable shops have had failures. there is an issue with the gears that richmond hasn't admitted as of yet



yup, another large company reported another 4.10 breakage today,, something is going on,, all the pics look the same after they let go.

I did not say all failures are due to improper installation.If you do gear swaps enough you will see some failures in gears and sometimes there are bad batches of gears from the manufacture i set up a fair amount rears and very rarely ever have a problem.Are you saying that richmond in general is having a problem or is it specific to the new generation camaros?I have done about 4 in the past couple months and no issues.Any "reputable" shop can have problems its just part of the business.

The gears provided by richmond for the 2010 camaro are having problems. i don't know of any problems with gears made for other cars or trucks.

I bet it aint the gears, It's the installation. Lets see some patterns on these bad gears.

Go ahead Tiny, show'em how to set the R&P correctly.. LOL

and all the sets with failures were improperly installed? don't bet on it. several very reputable shops have had failures. there is an issue with the gears that richmond hasn't admitted as of yet

The gears provided by richmond for the 2010 camaro are having problems. i don't know of any problems with gears made for other cars or trucks.


How sure of this are you. You get this info from Richmond? Name the shops so we can get clarification. Any Sponsers rep'n Richmond in here wanna shed some light on this alleged product defect being reported.

nickey chevrolet and jannetty racing have reported failures of these gears with a perfect install.

richmond gear wouldnt even send 1 of the bad sets back to the owner after they did there testing,, the owner wanted to do some independent hardness testing so richmond just gave him his money back instead of sending him back the bad gears.

nickey chevrolet and jannetty racing have reported failures of these gears with a perfect install.

richmond gear wouldnt even send 1 of the bad sets back to the owner after they did there testing,, the owner wanted to do some independent hardness testing so richmond just gave him his money back instead of sending him back the bad gears.

haha ive never even heard of those shops

haha ive never even heard of those shops



you never hear of a nickey camaro from way back they did conversions like yenko :

http://www.nickeychicago.net/


http://jannettyracing.com/

Here's another set. My Richmond 4.33's were installed by reputable shop (sponsor on here) on August 6th. I had the car out Friday evening and did a 1/2/3 blast down the road only to have this happen.....
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l272/377smallblock/Gears433001-1.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l272/377smallblock/Gears433003-1.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l272/377smallblock/Gears433006.jpg

The only mods my car has are a Roto-fab cold air, and Kooks LT's (stock tune).

Installed mine about a week ago. Went together nice. no problems yet.... time will tell.

looks the same as the others that have broken, richmond has some issuse going on here. really sucks that no other gear companies have stepped up to make camaro gears, and richmond knows this and are selling them for a premium price,, over double what any other ring and pinions sell for,, at least with all the profit they are making on these gears they should have no problem covering warranty on them(you would think)

I recently did a set of the 4.10s in a Nickey Camaro, along with Kooks long tubes, and full exhaust, Magnacharger, and a 3.2 pulley. The gears set up perfectly, with a great pattern. Customer drove for over 1000 miles with no noise or anything. The car makes 590hp at the wheels, so we told him about the weak axles, but never thought the ring and pinion would self destruct. Nickey says they wont do another set, also Randys Ring and Pinion has had the same issues. I say wait till someone else comes up with a set.

nickey chevrolet and jannetty racing have reported failures of these gears with a perfect install.

richmond gear wouldnt even send 1 of the bad sets back to the owner after they did there testing,, the owner wanted to do some independent hardness testing so richmond just gave him his money back instead of sending him back the bad gears.

haha ive never even heard of those shops

I don't mean any disrespect, but seems like these are an example of the shops that just popped up on the 5th gen wagon all of a sudden...otherwise I NEVER heard about them in the 4th gen era...

I'm sure the failures he's referring to are Richmond gear sets for the 2010-12 Camaros. AFAIK, Richmond is the only manufacturer of the 5th gen Camaro IRS gear sets at this time (or at least that is what everyone is buying). So, of course you're going to hear about failures from Richmond. I'm sure improper install and weak ass GM IRS on radials or slicks on heavy ass 5th gens has something to do with it...:eyes:

Just a thought...

Erik@Lashway

89-0003-1 2010-11 Camaro V8 Gears
Ratio: 4.10
Teeth: 41-10
New Updated Version Made From 9310 Steel

Bob

I don't mean any disrespect, but seems like these are an example of the shops that just popped up on the 5th gen wagon all of a sudden...otherwise I NEVER heard about them in the 4th gen era...

I'm sure the failures he's referring to are Richmond gear sets for the 2010-12 Camaros. AFAIK, Richmond is the only manufacturer of the 5th gen Camaro IRS gear sets at this time (or at least that is what everyone is buying). So, of course you're going to hear about failures from Richmond. I'm sure improper install and weak ass GM IRS on radials or slicks on heavy ass 5th gens has something to do with it...:eyes:

Just a thought...

Erik@Lashway


We are not a 5th gen bandwagon shop. Been around since 86'. No offense, but never heard of you either.

Also Richmond is not the only manufacturer of Gear Sets. American Axle also manufacturers gear sets. Sold through LPE and their dealers.

from Richmond:

"Richmond Gear announces the introduction of a 4.11 ratio for the 2010/2011 V8 Camaro. This new ratio is made of 9310 steel and manufactured for street use. This design is the strongest yet for the 2010/2011 Camaro. The part number is 89-0003-1."

Hmmm. Guess Richmond saw the need for better materials.


Also, as mentioned earlier, American Axle, the OEM manufacturer for many GM gearsets, has gears that you can get through LPE. Personally, I prefer the LPE\AA 3.91 set over the Richmond 4.11 for my application. Hope to do it soon.

So with the new hardened sets from Richmond are there problems? The car is just aching for more gear and I want to add some in the near future.

I have one of the first sets of 4.10's that Richmond put out, in my car for over two years and no problems yet. I really think that the install and break in are critical for longevity and noise and problem free life.

Working on a 12 SS with SLP installed Richmond gearset. Failed badly...guess I need to see if it's the new design or the old one. I guess they aren't interested in helping customer with any type of warranty, so now it's in my hands. I don't think it was set up properly to begin with either.