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Old 09-26-2010, 01:55 AM
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ok the stock tachometer is not working. I just had a shop put in a 408 with a n02 kit, Trans just got redone and a new rearend. The guy at the shop said it was showing up on his computer just not in the car and he doesnt know what would of made it not work. the gauges never came out. Any one PLZ help???
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It's probably wiring in the cam sensor extension; I see those needing to have some wires swap on half of them that I get. If once in a while the car farts or burbles during startup and cranks just a shade longer than it should, that's the most likely culprit. I would think that most shops would be expecting this issue on the LS2 stroker swap.
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is it a iron 408 or alum 408?
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iron 408.. yes the car does burble and hesitate to start up every now and then.. so if we replace the cam sensor itself the problem should be resolved? Anyone have a part # or recommend a place to get one? Thanks guys we have been trying to figure this out for awhile.

Also, there is a CEL that we got checked out and confirmed that it WAS INDEED the cam sensor just fyi
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No, as I said it's almost certainly in the wiring not the sensor.
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Originally Posted by Frost
No, as I said it's almost certainly in the wiring not the sensor.
so what should we do about it then?
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Need to check the wiring to make sure that everything is connected properly and not grounding out anywhere.
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Originally Posted by MUSTANGBRKR02
Need to check the wiring to make sure that everything is connected properly and not grounding out anywhere.
well I know that part.. where exactly should we be looking? back of the block or the PCM, guage cluster etc?
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well I know that part.. where exactly should we be looking? back of the block or the PCM, guage cluster etc?
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It's probably wiring in the cam sensor extension; I see those needing to have some wires swap on half of them that I get...

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If not that, you can check the sensor. I have seen a cam sensor low input come from cam bolts backing off as well.
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Originally Posted by Frost
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If not that, you can check the sensor. I have seen a cam sensor low input come from cam bolts backing off as well.
the cam sensor is still on the back of the block Steve.. so no need for the extension.. I just called Bill and he gave me some ideas so we will try those tomorrow and see what happens I guess. Swap my guages into his, check grounds on back of driver's side head, and tach wire.

I have found the tach signal wire being PIN #10 white wire on the RED PCM connection, so I'll hook a voltmeter to that as well to see if were getting anything. Also, apparently it might be the pink/black wire on the back of the CMP itself so I'll check those too. Going to be kind of hard with a huge 300 shot direct port system on top of a FAST 92 though lol.
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Sorry thought it was a 402 ...

Check the three wires at the cam sensor and eventually the sensor. No need to look at the PCM reference you are referring to; it comes from the crank signal. That's what the PCM is using as well. It's between the sensor and it's wiring most likely.
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Originally Posted by Frost
Sorry thought it was a 402 ...

Check the three wires at the cam sensor and eventually the sensor. No need to look at the PCM reference you are referring to; it comes from the crank signal. That's what the PCM is using as well. It's between the sensor and it's wiring most likely.
no problem man.. and thanks for the advice we will try to check it out tomorrow. We are probably going to have to unbolt the shocks and k-member and drop it a few inches to get back there.
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senser, its preaty tuff to mess up the factory wires when they havent been cut or an extension has been added.
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Originally Posted by novaflash2002
senser, its preaty tuff to mess up the factory wires when they havent been cut or an extension has been added.
yea, I'm thinking that its just a ground that hasn't been hooked up or not getting enough contact. Every other gauge in the car is working, and *hopefully* the ground fixes our problem. The tach was working when the car was delivered, and the builder/assembler has been known to forget things........

does anyone know if its possible to lower the motor just a couple inches without having to disconnect anything major? Like the radiator, abs lines etc. ?
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u need to unhook the rad hoses, ac comresser, the 6 k member bolts, 4 sway bar bolts, ans it wouldnt be a bad idea to unhook the wire harness from the pcm. or...... you can take the intake off and make your life much easier. that consists of throttle cable, fuel line, evap line, and 10 8mm bolts.

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Originally Posted by novaflash2002
u need to unhook the rad hoses, ac comresser, the 6 k member bolts, 4 sway bar bolts, ans it wouldnt be a bad idea to unhook the wire harness from the pcm. or...... you can take the intake off and make your life much easier. that consists of throttle cable, fuel line, evap line, and 10 8mm bolts.
taking the intake off would also include taking off a 300 shot direct port system with huge AN hoses in the back, purge under the cowl, and its just bulky as ****. I doubt we could get it out without breaking something. I wouldn't have asked that question if I could have removed the intake lol.
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If it's a 98-00 there is a harness near the EGR use to be.Male/female plug needs to be plugged in together for the cam sensor to work right.

Just throwing that out there if it is those years. Just had that problem.
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
If it's a 98-00 there is a harness near the EGR use to be.Male/female plug needs to be plugged in together for the cam sensor to work right.

Just throwing that out there if it is those years. Just had that problem.
****.. the bad thing is, I believe we cut all those wires out! When we removed A/C and the egr, there was that bundle of wires there, and we asked the builder/assembler if it was ok to cut them out, sure enough he said yes... I believe the only wires we have in that wire loom are the ones to the coils and that's it. I will check though.

Is there any way to fix this now without having the original wiring? Do we have to cut and solder new wire and connectors on there to get it to work?



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