View Full Version : Quickest/fastest N/a 346 In Action****VIDEO****


brent eb02
01-28-2004, 10:45 PM
HERE IS THE OLD SET UP IN ACTION 480 RWHP

http://www.cartek.net/videos/brent1059.wmv

I KNOW THIS IS NOT MY BEST 10.58@130.6 MPH RUN

BUT ITS A SCREAMER ANYWAY

I WONDER WHAT THE NEW 501 RWHP WILL DO???

WHILE OTHER TUNERS ARE PLAYING WITH THE DYNO

WITH THERE 3.42 GEARS AND RACE GAS

IM GONNA BE TRYING TO BEAT MY OLD RECORD ET / MPH

AGAIN

ENJOY

Yellowhammer
01-28-2004, 10:51 PM
Nice video. Sweet run.

CAT3
01-28-2004, 10:57 PM
cool, whats the weight in one of those lil pimp rockets?

SStroked 410
01-28-2004, 11:01 PM
very nice!

that thing is making some crazy power for a 346!!!!

LS1LT1
01-28-2004, 11:02 PM
http://www.cartek.net/videos/brent1059.wmv

I KNOW THIS IS NOT MY BEST 10.58@130.6 MPH RUN
10.59...10.58...130+...Doesn't matter dude, track times don't mean SQUAT, :nono: it's the dyno numbers that count most...THE DYNO RULES ALL!!! :headbang: :shakinass :rotflmao:

All dyno queen kidding aside, I was just as excited as the next guy to see YOUR CAR be the first stock bottom end NA 346 to break that elusive barrier but the truth is dyno numbers are just part of the whole package, a short pause on the trip to faster track times, they themselves ARE NOT the final destination IMO.
We should all just be thankful for the R&D all of these great shops put into (and get out of ;)) these motors

Nice vid btw. :cool:

brent eb02
01-28-2004, 11:20 PM
I TOTALLY AGREE

DYNO#S ARE NICE BUT TRACK #S IS WHAT'S UP !!!




TOMMY.....HEY BUDDY HAVE NOT SEEN YA IN A WHILE
I GOT YOUR MSG ILL CALL YA

:hail: TO R&D I WOULDNT BE RUNNING THIS KIND OF MPH AND ET WITH-OUT IT

Damian
01-29-2004, 03:40 AM
Kick ass video...


Turn off your damn caps lock... ;)

DEEZ98Z
01-29-2004, 05:09 AM
I want to go 10.5x's :eyes: :eek2:

Brains
01-29-2004, 07:10 AM
Damn, I wish my car were light enough to come out like that :lol: Love the video, kick ass run.

Big Mike
01-29-2004, 07:28 AM
That video brings a smile to my face everytime I see it!!!!!!!!!!! :drive:

Durien
01-29-2004, 07:52 AM
awesome stuff :D

STRIPSTAR
01-29-2004, 07:57 AM
Nice , any chance of seeing the new setup @ Atco in the next few weeks?

boomcase
01-29-2004, 10:13 AM
Congrats on the run, very nice, Is it me or is that track going down hill. :eyes:

Fireball
01-29-2004, 10:14 AM
Moving to Dragracing ;)

Humanoid
01-29-2004, 01:30 PM
You even have a big fan club cheering you on ;)

Villain281H
01-29-2004, 08:59 PM
very nice! damn you're moving off the line quite nicely :hail:

unit213
01-30-2004, 05:32 AM
Great video. That car shits 'n gets off the line too. Must be nice weighing around 3,000lbs and being able to run a mid 10 with only 480rwhp. :)

Big Mike
01-30-2004, 11:07 AM
Unit, 3000 lbs... Not that light. Brent's Vette weight 3275-3300 lbs. There is ZERO weight reduction done to the car. Here is the post where he talks about the car's weight.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113402&highlight=brent

CHRISPY
01-30-2004, 01:18 PM
Times are great :)

Z-06 Gearing and Aero helps a lot too compared to the F-bod :)

JS12
01-30-2004, 01:33 PM
LG will stop playing on the dyno so you can wait for your 38 degree -2000DA weather so you can get those times.

Big Mike
01-30-2004, 01:39 PM
LG will stop playing on the dyno so you can wait for your 38 degree -2000DA weather so you can get those times.

It don't make a difference if someone runs a car in Antarctica, times are times, period.

JS12
01-30-2004, 01:50 PM
you are right, better weather means better times and you and everyone else knows that. he starts bashing other shops so i had to get in and say something

LS1LT1
01-30-2004, 02:01 PM
LG will stop playing on the dyno so you can wait for your 38 degree -2000DA weather so you can get those times.
Are you implying that a dyno sheet is more impressive than an ACTUAL 1/4 mile pass? :confused:
Man I sure hope real track racers haven't been reduced to that. :nono:

Brent races his car in all sorts of weather, he was still going to the track on the days that those times were run REGARDLESS of what the DA was, he just happened to get lucky on the air quality. Should he have just turned right around and gone home because the air was good? Come back on a +DA day? Would you (or ANYONE looking to improve their track times) have done that?
Here's a thought...let's put the dyno queen and cold temp/-DA 'digs' away for now and line these cars up on the same track, same day in the same air and see who's faster. :drive:

JS12
01-30-2004, 02:23 PM
dude...did you read the post? he said while other shops are playing on the dyno blah blah blah. so then i said what i said. i would be more than happy to line up agaisnt him or anyone(when i get heads of course) i saw a lot of these cars that run awesome times up north at the southern shootout;)

JS12
01-30-2004, 02:28 PM
btw brent ran 11.2 at bowling green and then went up north and ran 10 all day long. im not saying times arent times i am just saying people talk crap about running awesome times in that weather but then come down south and run what everyone else is running.

CHRISPY
01-30-2004, 05:54 PM
btw brent ran 11.2 at bowling green and then went up north and ran 10 all day long. im not saying times arent times i am just saying people talk crap about running awesome times in that weather but then come down south and run what everyone else is running.

Weather and track do play a HUGE difference. Can be up to 0.5-0.7 of a second comparing -2000 to +2000 or more.

I'd like to see some 10.5-10.7 ETs in the 1500-2500 DAs we get here :)

:cheers:

bspz28
01-30-2004, 07:56 PM
btw brent ran 11.2 at bowling green and then went up north and ran 10 all day long. im not saying times arent times i am just saying people talk crap about running awesome times in that weather but then come down south and run what everyone else is running.





well we will all be down in SC on feb 22nd .. lets see how you do racing me ...:D :D

unit213
01-30-2004, 07:59 PM
Unit, 3000 lbs... Not that light. Brent's Vette weight 3275-3300 lbs. There is ZERO weight reduction done to the car. Here is the post where he talks about the car's weight.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113402&highlight=brent
Oh, I figured there was some weight reduction mods. That makes it all that much more impressive.

LS1LT1
01-30-2004, 08:12 PM
I'd like to see some 10.5-10.7 ETs in the 1500-2500 DAs we get here :)
Brent obviously would not have hit 10.5s in +2000 DA (back then at 480rwhp), but it's likely he'd have still been in the 10s....now of course things are different. ;)

SPANKY LS1
01-31-2004, 08:18 AM
well we will all be down in SC on feb 22nd .. lets see how you do racing me ...:D :D

Jeez, a 490 rwhp H/C car challenging a 420 rwhp cam only car. Very impressive. :zzz: ;)


It don't make a difference if someone runs a car in Antarctica, times are times, period.

It does when someone claims to be the "fastest", "quickest", "best"...... while comparing numbers from a track in "Antarctica" to a track in the "real world", IMO. DAs have to be taken into effect in the same way that weight does, yet it is often "overlooked" when mentioning new bests.

Not bashing, I'll be the first to give props when some numbers are duplicated outside of the mineshaft that some cars usually race in. I just hope, for their sake, they run 10.50s or better. Alot of boasting and claims need to be backed up, otherwise they will continue to remain "DA chasers" to many. Just my opinion, you know what they say about opinions... :cheers:

Shawn

Hardtop
01-31-2004, 08:46 AM
Not bashing, I'll be the first to give props when some numbers are duplicated outside of the mineshaft that some cars usually race in. I just hope, for their sake, they run 10.50s or better. Alot of boasting and claims need to be backed up, otherwise they will continue to remain "DA chasers" to many. Just my opinion, you know what they say about opinions... :cheers:

Shawn

At the EFA shoot out Pete's car was 3 mph faster than me, Moose, Fireball, and every other H/C car there. Granted we don't have the fastest H/C cars, but we don't have the slowest either. ;) LG's cars were not represented at that event. The "DA chasing" statement will be put to rest when they race on the same track, same day. I'm sure the Cartek cars will be very competitive against the others when that happens.

Bruce

SPANKY LS1
01-31-2004, 08:57 AM
At the EFA shoot out Pete's car was 3 mph faster than me, Moose, Fireball, and every other H/C car there. The "DA chasing" statement will be put to rest when they race on the same track, same day. I'm sure the Cartek cars will be very competitive against the others when that happens.

Bruce

They also have 30-50rwhp on "most" H/C cars. As far as the "DA chasing" statement, thats what I mean. It will either be forgotten forever when they signifigantly outrun the field, or it will be an opinion that remains in many peoples minds if they run "average" or "with the pack", IMO.

Shawn

Smoke_ur_5.0
01-31-2004, 09:52 AM
At the EFA shoot out Pete's car was 3 mph faster than me, Moose, Fireball, and every other H/C car there. Granted we don't have the fastest H/C cars, but we don't have the slowest either.

Could you let us know the weight differences between your car,Mooses and Fireballs car compared to Brents?

JS
01-31-2004, 09:55 AM
Chris u live in Canada?
Your telling me Canada has 1500 DA's all yr round,Thats BS....
Chris I think you should open an atlas and look at where u live,Its not Hawaii ;)

Brent always gives DA's..
He has a TAG WS which give REAL TIME DA.....

Last time I check Brent ran 11.1/11.2 in FL against ALL the other competitors.
Wanna guess who won,Wanna guess who was the fastest ;)

Jealousy is a terrible thing guys...
Let it go...

bspz28
01-31-2004, 09:57 AM
They also have 30-50rwhp on "most" H/C cars. As far as the "DA chasing" statement, thats what I mean. It will either be forgotten forever when they signifigantly outrun the field, or it will be an opinion that remains in many peoples minds if they run "average" or "with the pack", IMO.

Shawn

why yes we do . Thats why me and many others went with cartek. And that is why we runs the numbers. I'm not saying I have the best or fastest car. But I am proud what cartek did for me.

Hardtop
01-31-2004, 10:06 AM
Could you let us know the weight differences between your car,Mooses and Fireballs car compared to Brents?

His car is lighter than all of ours for sure. My car weighs 3520+ or - with me in it. Fireballs car is a bit on the heavy side like mine, but I'm not sure what his raceweight was for that event. I know he's been working on weight reduction, but not sure what he had done then. Moose's car is probably around 3400. Moose and Fireball will hopefully chime in and correct me if I'm wrong. I believe Pete's car was about 3250 for the EFA event.


Bruce

bspz28
01-31-2004, 10:28 AM
Bruce is right my car weighs in at 3250-3270 . I also have a few more things I am working on with my car so I won't be stuck at 491 for long :D

Big Mike
01-31-2004, 03:14 PM
Spanky, it's like beating a dead horse with you and the DA. No one replied to my comment about Greg Andersons Pro Stock record shattering runs at E-Town back in May 2003. No one dis-credited him becasue the DA was so good. Listen, no one is stopping anyone from going to where the weather is good, to run their cars. If no one chooses to make a trip to where the DA's are good, than more power to those who race in the great DA's. Until then, Cartek has the fastest heads/cam pacakge, period.

SidewayzOZ
01-31-2004, 05:41 PM
well we will all be down in SC on feb 22nd .. lets see how you do racing me ...:D :D


What track you guys racing at on Feb 22??

bspz28
01-31-2004, 06:46 PM
What track you guys racing at on Feb 22??

We will be here http://www.carolinadragway.com/ on both sat and the event is on sunday :)

LS1LT1
02-01-2004, 03:31 AM
It does when someone claims to be the "fastest", "quickest", "best"...... while comparing numbers from a track in "Antarctica" to a track in the "real world", IMO.True, Atco is a special, far away exotic track that only private members can run at, sort of like a country club even...it's not the real world at all. :jest: ;)

They also have 30-50rwhp on "most" H/C cars. Also true...how DARE they make their H/C cars more powerful (but still within the rules) than most of the competition :thinker:...you're right, I guess it is an unfair race. ;)

Spanky, it's like beating a dead horse with you and the DA. No one replied to my comment about Greg Andersons Pro Stock record shattering runs at E-Town back in May 2003. No one dis-credited him becasue the DA was so good. Listen, no one is stopping anyone from going to where the weather is good, to run their cars. If no one chooses to make a trip to where the DA's are good, than more power to those who race in the great DA's.Very good points...everyone cries about the unfair advantage of track location/air quality yet NONE are willing to make the trek to those tracks so they too can run so much faster as they so openly claim they would. :confused: I know it's certainly not convenient to just pick up and drive/trailer one's car 1000-2000 miles just to make a few passes but it's also not rediculously impossible to accomplish either, especially if you're a true hardcore racer in search of great ETs/trap speeds.
If one is SO convinced that their car would be just as fast/faster at these so called unrealistic tracks then prove it...or please stop complaining/speculating about it.

SPANKY LS1
02-01-2004, 09:32 AM
Blah, blah, blah.....

I guess we should all use uncorrected dyno numbers, I mean, if a dyno at shop "X" reads 20rwhp higher, and you go to shop "Y" and dyno lower, you could always just drive 1000 miles to shop "X" to get a good "record setting" number. :confused:

How is bragging on a "record setting" ET ran at a -2000 track day any different than claiming 600+rwhp on an uncorrected, liberal dyno? The formula exists to correct ETs to a standard (Much like a dyno corrects power/tq to a SAE. Try posting uncorrected numbers on here claiming a new "record" and see what happens :eek2:) why are some afraid to use it? Because what is a "record setting", "quickest", "fastest" run in these coonditions becomes an average, right in line with the rest of the pack run. Since the cars in question are .4 and 5mph faster and quicker than the rest (before the new motor and updates), they should run that much quicker/faster at SC, no? :judge: We'll see, and like I said, one of two things will happen. They'll dominate and everyone will see just how much faster/quicker/superior they are, or they will run with the rest of the field, and everyone will continue to think that a "record" set under certain conditions will have an * after it.

Shawn

CHRISPY
02-01-2004, 09:48 AM
Chris u live in Canada?
Your telling me Canada has 1500 DA's all yr round,Thats BS....
Chris I think you should open an atlas and look at where u live,Its not Hawaii ;)

Brent always gives DA's..
He has a TAG WS which give REAL TIME DA.....

Last time I check Brent ran 11.1/11.2 in FL against ALL the other competitors.
Wanna guess who won,Wanna guess who was the fastest ;)

Jealousy is a terrible thing guys...
Let it go...

hahaha :)

Our track is at 600 feet altitude and the DA's rarely go below 1500 feet through the summer. Ontario gets pretty hot and steamy during those months.

Also don't forget that I lived in Maryland and raced at Cecil, E-town and Atco.

I know EXACTLY the difference those tracks made in the fall/winter. My car would go 5 tenths and 5+ mph faster at Atco/Cecil in November than in the summer. I have FIRSTHAND experience with that with my own car.

Also I am not jealous in the least of Brents car.

I think it runs great and he has a great combo together with great tuning.

cheers,

SidewayzOZ
02-01-2004, 03:53 PM
We will be here http://www.carolinadragway.com/ on both sat and the event is on sunday :)

Awesome...I will definitely try to be in attendance. Carolina is a nice track, I went there a few years ago for bracket finals but havent been back since, so it will be nice to go back again :)

brent eb02
02-01-2004, 11:12 PM
THE DAY I RAN MY BEST TIME 10.58@ 130 MPH THE DA WAS -850

THE VIDEO YOU SEE WAS A RENTAL DAY AND THE DA WAS- 1400 TO -1500

THE FLORIDA RACE WAS 10.9'S IN FLORIDA!!!!!
THAT WAS AGAINST 60 CORVETTES
I TOOK FIRST PLACE IN MY CLASS 346 HEADS CAM

HERE IS THE FUNNY PART

OF ALL THE C-5'S THERE "APROX 60"

CARTEK HAD THE TOP 5 FASTEST QUICKEST ONES THERE!

AND THERE WAS NOS CARS BLOWER CARS LPE TT'S THERE

ALL WERE NO MATCH SAME DAY SAME TRACK

NORTH VS SOUTH SHOOT OUT I DID RUN A 11.1

YEAH I TOOK 1ST PLACE

EVEN WITH REALLY BAD 60 FT TIMES

SAME DAY SAME TRACK

DA WHAT??? UNCORRECTED WHO???


GIVE IT UP BRO

JS12
02-02-2004, 10:08 AM
caps lock is your friend Brent;)

congrats on winning those classes i just wish i could see the car in person.

JS
02-02-2004, 11:49 AM
I laugh too Brent...
U tell these guys everything and your upfront with your car and they still whine.

All I'll say is come to SC and check out the racing boys...
The truth will set u free.

No problem Chris but when did u make your best pass...
In July or in Nov,What track and what DA..

MY (me driving) best was a 11.17/1.49/120.68@3540lbs/DA -250....

CHRISPY
02-02-2004, 12:07 PM
My best pass was last spring. (I think it was April or May?) DA was +800 feet for my best pass if I remember correctly. Three 11.15's in a row at 123-124mph at 3514 raceweight.

It was at St. Thomas Raceway in London Ontario.

:cheers:

Chris

L4m3r2
02-02-2004, 01:29 PM
Spanky, it's like beating a dead horse with you and the DA. No one replied to my comment about Greg Andersons Pro Stock record shattering runs at E-Town back in May 2003. No one dis-credited him becasue the DA was so good. Listen, no one is stopping anyone from going to where the weather is good, to run their cars. If no one chooses to make a trip to where the DA's are good, than more power to those who race in the great DA's. Until then, Cartek has the fastest heads/cam pacakge, period.


I suppose the differnce is that was a national event? Other cars were there at the same time same day same track prep all had a fair shot at the same conditions? (neutral guy here just asking a question :))

Big Mike
02-02-2004, 01:53 PM
I suppose the differnce is that was a national event? Other cars were there at the same time same day same track prep all had a fair shot at the same conditions? (neutral guy here just asking a question :))


Excatly! My point is that there is a Tuner Shootout coming up on 2/22/04, all should attend and race in the same weather so everything is fair, if not, then don't complain about DA's.

L4m3r2
02-02-2004, 05:06 PM
Excatly! My point is that there is a Tuner Shootout coming up on 2/22/04, all should attend and race in the same weather so everything is fair, if not, then don't complain about DA's.

I agree 100% but 1/4 mile times are not just about the RWHP a car makes...

Suspension
gearing
RWT
converter

I dont see this ever being solved :) but its fun to watch :secret:

LS1LT1
02-02-2004, 08:23 PM
I agree 100% but 1/4 mile times are not just about the RWHP a car makes...
Suspension
gearing
RWT
converter

True, but that's why it's up to the tuner to make sure their entrant is well prepped and dialed in....and besides the cars competing/discussed here are running the same exact suspensions (bone stock Z06 suspension in this case) and the same wheels and tires (almost all C5s use the CCW ET Street package) then one of the few variables left is the driver and the motor's output.
Where does one draw the line on the details/differences/similarities between set ups competing on the same playing field. If the cars meet the rules of the event then it's a fair race...if one happens to come unprepared with the wrong gears/converter or even clutch then hey, that's their choice, that's racing.

JS12
02-03-2004, 11:40 AM
True, but that's why it's up to the tuner to make sure their entrant is well prepped and dialed in....and besides the cars competing/discussed here are running the same exact suspensions (bone stock Z06 suspension in this case) and the same wheels and tires (almost all C5s use the CCW ET Street package) then one of the few variables left is the driver and the motor's output.
Where does one draw the line on the details/differences/similarities between set ups competing on the same playing field. If the cars meet the rules of the event then it's a fair race...if one happens to come unprepared with the wrong gears/converter or even clutch then hey, that's their choice, that's racing.

it all boils down to....

we all race in different weather and DA's and altitudes and tracks and every other things that can make an ET different from others. the only thing we can compare right now at this moment is dyno's not ET's. if we all met at the same track on the same day then there would be no question and no arguing. no one from cartek is going to come down to texas and no one from lg is going that far up north. maybe at the north vs. south shootout we can get some grudge matches going but i cant plan that far ahead.

Got Me SOM
02-08-2004, 11:02 AM
LOL-its a big thing to have the fastest car in Jersey. I remember that bs when I lived there. If anything its more for bragging rights than anything.

SPANKY LS1
02-08-2004, 11:34 AM
I think you are missing my point. :confused:

Yes, those of us who reside in the English speaking parts of the country are having trouble following you. :confused: ;)

Jammer
02-08-2004, 01:32 PM
Daayyymmm. layin out all the laundry!

Spanky.... I have rarely met anyone on Jersey that speaks english... but then again I just pass through and have only visited gas stations, McDonalds, Dunkin Donuts, a mall, numerous hotels, and parking garage, toll booths ..err..a police station...and, well thats about it. So I'm w/ ya on that.