Street Racing & Kill Stories - Turbo Civic Vs Viper

Video pretty much explains all.

Civic was roasting tires most of the time and still pulled, which surprised me to say the least. Viper driver says he missed gears a few times, which may explain some of the bus length victories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j2Nt0IZCs8

I call bs. Viper must have been 1/2 throttle all races. jk :punch:

Sweet Honda. It's clean and rice-free. And super fast. I lol'd at the last run when you reeled him in so quick.

NIce runs but god damn that guy in the viper cant drive. Im willing to bet he didnt make one clean pass out of all those vids.

to be honest man, ive seen you in this thread a few times, never paid attention to your signature besides the cars pictures, just thought psh, BUT DAMN, unexpected. very nice

Perfect sleeper. If I was to ever own a turbo Honda, that's the look I'd go for.....bone stock. :cool::secret2:

The Viper needs a real driver.

Haha I saw this on Facebook, nice runs man about what I expected! David definitely needs to shift a little quicker. I'm going to teach him this saturday when he comes to indy lol. You should bring that thing down here too man I would love to see it!

Parents visiting for homecoming so I'll be busy the whole weekend =/

Very nice man... what happened to the bronze/gunmetal coat on the fat fives?

I pulled this off YouTube. Apparently besides not knowing what gear to start a race in, he also can't shift. Viper's are notoriously hard to drive fast: takes a veteran, skilled driver to get its capabilities out. This guy doesn't even qualify as a average driver and should have bought a AWD 911 Porsche.
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1st run I misshifted, 2nd run with camera in Civic I misshifted, and last run @ 40 mph I misshifted. Needless to say, I need to work on my shifting lol. AND that Civic was FAAAAAAAST!!! Good runs Chris! :D

Ok first off run me from a dig and see how your 500 hp honda does.

Nice job but honestly with the sandwich time you could pack in between the vipers shifts of course you built enough egt to spool the turbo and make power.

Good kill non the less but why did you post this on a GM forum neither were GM's I think you wanted to show how cool your honduh was.

Ahh the good ole spin and pull, a fwd specialty.

Sick races, sick cars. Really diggin that honda....makes me miss mine :(

Ok first off run me from a dig and see how your 500 hp honda does.

Nice job but honestly with the sandwich time you could pack in between the vipers shifts of course you built enough egt to spool the turbo and make power.

Good kill non the less but why did you post this on a GM forum neither were GM's I think you wanted to show how cool your honduh was.

So? :confused: Last time I checked the title of this section was "Street Racing and Kill Stories," not, "Street Racing and Kill Stories as long as one of the cars is a GM."

So? :confused: Last time I checked the title of this section was "Street Racing and Kill Stories," not, "Street Racing and Kill Stories as long as one of the cars is a GM."

hahaha I guess we better tell Killemall to take his viper and supercharged NSX and GTFO!

Hey doesnt Unit also not drive a GM? AND hes an admin! Him and his 600 plus rwhp cobra need to get lost as well! :jest:

So? :confused: Last time I checked the title of this section was "Street Racing and Kill Stories," not, "Street Racing and Kill Stories as long as one of the cars is a GM."

Great idea! How about you send a PM to the admins to get that done? :devil:

hahaha I guess we better tell Killemall to take his viper and supercharged NSX and GTFO!

Hey doesnt Unit also not drive a GM? AND hes an admin! Him and his 600 plus rwhp cobra need to get lost as well! :jest:

Well yeah, sorry the forum is a GM based place, I am not a GM nutswinger but bringing this here is more cannon fodder for the masses.

This also was an unnecessary comment he owns a GM made vehicle am I correct?

In other words Go Fuck yourself, or come to Southern California and race me.

Irunelevens, the section itself is titled that but what is the web URL you have to type in to get there? Ohh yeah that's right www.LS1Tech.com. so your argument is not valid. Please try again.

Ok first off run me from a dig and see how your 500 hp honda does.

Nice job but honestly with the sandwich time you could pack in between the vipers shifts of course you built enough egt to spool the turbo and make power.

Good kill non the less but why did you post this on a GM forum neither were GM's I think you wanted to show how cool your honduh was.


Why are you so mad? The more stories and videos, the more entertainment. I don't know about you, but I like logging on and seeing a new thread GM or not.

That viper looked a lot like my baby...Only mine has a 2008 hood more power and a much more seasoned viper driver...

Tell that guy to shoot me a PM...I know how to make that viper hang with 600 rwhp GTR's let alone a 400-500 rwhp civic

hell ill tell him right now..

Dude you aint hooik at 50 mph in first gear in no viper.....And second gear at 40 or 50 mph is a dead spot..

race that civic again at a 70 mph roll with you in second gear...be ready for the shift to 3rd at 90 mph and you will beat him no matter what his boost level

The instant tourque of the viper will be to much for him...But at those low speeds you were eighter spinning or lulling like crazy

Agreeable that he sucked dick at driving, and would have made up ground, but I doubt it would have changed to much seeing as the civic only makes 20less whp (corrected) and weighs 700lbs less on low boost. Some real tires and high boost in 3rd would destroy him even worse.

The car has brand new 335 Kumhos I believe, so I really doubt he was spinning

And I came on here because I frequent this part of the forum for entertainment, and I've met some cool car guys here that will roll with anything.

In other words Go Fuck yourself, or come to Southern California and race me.


Its ok, I can race some faster cars around here that wont give a shit at the end of the day if its a GM or not

Ok first off run me from a dig and see how your 500 hp honda does.

Nice job but honestly with the sandwich time you could pack in between the vipers shifts of course you built enough egt to spool the turbo and make power.

Good kill non the less but why did you post this on a GM forum neither were GM's I think you wanted to show how cool your honduh was.

Don't be suprised if that little 4 banger comes around you in the 1/4. I'd actually put my money on him in that race.


That viper looked a lot like my baby...Only mine has a 2008 hood more power and a much more seasoned viper driver...

Tell that guy to shoot me a PM...I know how to make that viper hang with 600 rwhp GTR's let alone a 400-500 rwhp civic

The Civic would probably pull those GTR's on high boost. It weighs sooo much less.

And I thought your Viper made like 500rwhp? If so, that's not a lot more.


And I came on here because I frequent this part of the forum for entertainment, and I've met some cool car guys here that will roll with anything.

We are few and far between, but some of us do exist in this section, and be prepared to always get ripped for your Honduh (that can smoke a very good amount of cars the frequent this section).

Thread blows Dick... Viper driver joke at best.

F8l byt..... The sig..... lulz

Ok first off run me from a dig and see how your 500 hp honda does.

Nice job but honestly with the sandwich time you could pack in between the vipers shifts of course you built enough egt to spool the turbo and make power.

Good kill non the less but why did you post this on a GM forum neither were GM's I think you wanted to show how cool your honduh was.

Someone is butt hurt.

Great runs lightning!! Idc if that dude can't drive, he raced lol - that civic of urs is giving me something to shoot for. im only going to be at 350whp once i get this thing retuned (after i get a new clutch). EK for the win!

Viper must have been 1/2 throttle all races Thats For Sure .
The Way Civic Was Pulling Looks Like Civic is 900 Hp and viper is 200 Hp.
Looks BS to me

Great races, that Civic is badass!

In other words Go Fuck yourself, or come to Southern California and race me.

Better be careful, you might scare someone if you keep flexing like that :eyes:

Well yeah, sorry the forum is a GM based place, I am not a GM nutswinger but bringing this here is more cannon fodder for the masses.

This also was an unnecessary comment he owns a GM made vehicle am I correct?

In other words Go Fuck yourself, or come to Southern California and race me.

Irunelevens, the section itself is titled that but what is the web URL you have to type in to get there? Ohh yeah that's right www.LS1Tech.com. so your argument is not valid. Please try again.

You don't call yourself a nutswinger but thats exactly what you are. Stop being a Sally and open ur mind a little - theres other cars out there.

Since you are calling him out, why not bring ur POS to his neck of the woods. I'd be happy to put a grand on the civic scraping u.

I'll be at US41 in Morocco next Saturday for anyone who wants to run.

And the viper was starting in second whenever we were doing 60 rolls. The second run in the video is probably the "cleanest" run. You really cant feel how fast this civic is until you look down at the speedo...

Does your civic still have A/C or PS? And if it's non vtech why do you have Si gauges?

Does your civic still have A/C or PS? And if it's non vtech why do you have Si gauges?

Power steering yes. The Manifold/Downpipe combo for the turbo could fit A/c, so it would be pretty easy to put it back in. I hardly use a/c and this car is not my daily.

My integra has A/c, but even stock it doesnt work to well. I probably need to pull a vacuum on the system next time I recharge it as I failed to do so this past summer when I changed out the compressor/drier.

I swapped out the gauges because the stock EX cluster only reads to 8k, this car revs to 8600, the speedo goes a little higher and it looks nicer blah blah. I'm really picky about gauges. I dont like the autometer ultra lights in the car now looks wise. But they get the job done.

So tell me what turbo kit you have. I was thinking about getting a 3rd gen teg and turbo it. Spoolin had a cast manifold that would keep A/C and PS. I don't want to dump alot of money into a single turbo kit. The price of a Greddy is stupid IMO. Its so simple. Anyways I want a 96-00 Civic instead. How hard was the B18 swap? I want to do what you did.

Its an old school South Florida Performance tubular log manifold (they went out business). Its similar to the one spoolin makes. The downpipe and exhaust are custom made, as is the charge piping. Everything else is pieced together or fabricated. I bought the car like this from my old roomate, who swapped it when he was in High school like 5 years ago lol. Swaps are super easy, just go do some research on Honda-Tech.

Well yeah, sorry the forum is a GM based place, I am not a GM nutswinger but bringing this here is more cannon fodder for the masses.

This also was an unnecessary comment he owns a GM made vehicle am I correct?

In other words Go Fuck yourself, or come to Southern California and race me.

Irunelevens, the section itself is titled that but what is the web URL you have to type in to get there? Ohh yeah that's right www.LS1Tech.com. so your argument is not valid. Please try again.

Seems to me like you're one of a very few people that think that way. So how about this; if you don't like this section, don't click on it anymore.

Well yeah, sorry the forum is a GM based place, I am not a GM nutswinger but bringing this here is more cannon fodder for the masses.

This also was an unnecessary comment he owns a GM made vehicle am I correct?

In other words Go Fuck yourself, or come to Southern California and race me.

Irunelevens, the section itself is titled that but what is the web URL you have to type in to get there? Ohh yeah that's right www.LS1Tech.com. so your argument is not valid. Please try again.


Damn your mad. You make me sad that I own a GM vehicle. Post some videos of your car.

Sick civic by the way man. Respect on a clean ass ride. Don't listen to the hater. Keep the stories/videos coming!

Ok first off run me from a dig and see how your 500 hp honda does.

Nice job but honestly with the sandwich time you could pack in between the vipers shifts of course you built enough egt to spool the turbo and make power.

Good kill non the less but why did you post this on a GM forum neither were GM's I think you wanted to show how cool your honduh was.



Well yeah, sorry the forum is a GM based place, I am not a GM nutswinger but bringing this here is more cannon fodder for the masses.

This also was an unnecessary comment he owns a GM made vehicle am I correct?

In other words Go Fuck yourself, or come to Southern California and race me.

Irunelevens, the section itself is titled that but what is the web URL you have to type in to get there? Ohh yeah that's right www.LS1Tech.com. so your argument is not valid. Please try again.

You gotta be kidding me with your barely 11 second, dime a dozen LS1. I make fun of rice rockets too but you are making an a$$ out of yourself calling people out over the internet.

In case you haven't noticed there are tons of non-GM videos posted here new 5.0's, Lambos, Supras, Cobras, etc. If you want to enforce rules against non GM cars become a moderator, if not you should :gtfo:

OP, cool sleeper. Have you got it to hook at any drag-strips w/out grenading the half-shafts?

Very nice runs! You Civic looks really good. I recently owned a 2000 Civic EX and had it stolen last year :(, since then I purchased a 2007 Civic SI and hope to boost it some day. Congrats on the kill :)

OP, cool sleeper. Have you got it to hook at any drag-strips w/out grenading the half-shafts?

Previous owner got an 11.8 @ 123 out of it on low boost a while ago. We bring spare autozone half shafts everytime we go lol. But so far so good.

Clean ass 3rd gen btw. Hardly ever see ones taken care.

Good kill and sweet Civic!! Yes the Viper driver sucked but I think a good driver would only make it a closer race with you still beating him time and time again. Oh and thank you for the awesome DAYTIME racing!!! :)

Nice kills man, glad to see a good clean Civic knock down a Viper, hope this inspires a lot of kids with riced out Civics to do their car right. And about this being a GM site, I don't hear anyone else complaining about no GM vehicle being present.

I will say the Viper driver sucked tho, but those cars are hard to drive well in anything (drag, roadcourse, etc).

Guys need to stop hating, lol ive seen a 95ex walk all over a caymen s. For what its worth you guys say the viper needs a drive the civic made more power and is a little car.

Shoot I figured Jibby was gone, we needed another one my bad.

Honestly cool car man, just givin shit, it has been kind of fun reading some of the responses. I honestly do not mean any harm, just want to induce some discussion, albeit a tad misguided.

Also going to apologize, me and my drinking has gotten out of hand and I have been getting online while drinking, I posted a few inappropriate things here, for that I will say sorry.

the civic is light but did you actually look at the dyno..the curve is very very very weak

A properly driven viper at that power level would EASILY jump out a few car lengths and then the civic would rely on it's high rpm power and light weight to close the distance and you would have some great races.

Their were one or two races in the vid were you could see the viper guy almost got it right and jumped out a car or two...

The Viper said it's what..502 rwt on the dyno...That plays a big factor as well when properly utilized....


This was not properly utilized. I have ran dead nutz with 500 rwhp cammed Z06's and 600 awhp GTr's in a Viper just like that one with just a lil more power....

With my personal timing gear ive hit mid 11's as high as 125 mph...Again im only at 475 rwhp SAE...And thats at 1000 feet elevation and in 75 degree hawaiian weather..

That viper on the stock 440 rwhp is 121-123 mph capable. With another 25 rwhp and the 46x dyno number that car should be 123-125 capable...

More than enough to give the civic a good run..Atleaste much better than what we just saw

Some Hondas can be fast...but most are not.

Im not gonna lie, Ive been walked by one before.

335s will spin easily on that car from a 40 roll.. Tire compound is a lot more important than width.

It says in the vid you are running a walbro 255. How are you running that much power in a FI application with a little walbro 255.

Guys need to stop hating, lol ive seen a 95ex walk all over a caymen s. For what its worth you guys say the viper needs a drive the civic made more power and is a little car.
The same motor that ran 9.7's@80mph at Newton... lol

I'm personally not a Honda fan whatsoever but to each is their own and I can most definitely respect a fast car

Saying good kill would be an understatement. You walked all over him lol

I'd be happy to put a grand on the civic scraping u.

Why don't you bet $700 on the race and spend the other $300 and get that damned civic tuned!!! LOL, just giving ya a hard time. But I really do want to see what that thing can do once it's tuned.

the civic is light but did you actually look at the dyno..the curve is very very very weak

A properly driven viper at that power level would EASILY jump out a few car lengths and then the civic would rely on it's high rpm power and light weight to close the distance and you would have some great races.

Their were one or two races in the vid were you could see the viper guy almost got it right and jumped out a car or two...

The Viper said it's what..502 rwt on the dyno...That plays a big factor as well when properly utilized....


This was not properly utilized. I have ran dead nutz with 500 rwhp cammed Z06's and 600 awhp GTr's in a Viper just like that one with just a lil more power....

With my personal timing gear ive hit mid 11's as high as 125 mph...Again im only at 475 rwhp SAE...And thats at 1000 feet elevation and in 75 degree hawaiian weather..

That viper on the stock 440 rwhp is 121-123 mph capable. With another 25 rwhp and the 46x dyno number that car should be 123-125 capable...

More than enough to give the civic a good run..Atleaste much better than what we just saw

You can't screw up a punch while your already in gear, and the viper had plenty of chances and lost almost every time, right off the go. You say that viper can trap 123-125 but the civic went 11.8 at 123 on LOW BOOST. Which means in a 2700 lbs car on high boost the viper is toast. Theres way more that goes into roll races than just pure torque from a bigger motor. Once that initial hit is over, the faster car will pull regardless. The civic could have been brake boosting as well which means instant turbo hit and that could explain why the viper couldn't even get the jump from the start.

Sweet runs OP, I wish all civics were as clean and nasty as yours but unfortunately were stuck with 97% ricers, 3% bad ass.

It says in the vid you are running a walbro 255. How are you running that much power in a FI application with a little walbro 255.

He's within the limits of a Wally 255.

Why don't you bet $700 on the race and spend the other $300 and get that damned civic tuned!!! LOL, just giving ya a hard time. But I really do want to see what that thing can do once it's tuned.



You can't screw up a punch while your already in gear, and the viper had plenty of chances and lost almost every time, right off the go. You say that viper can trap 123-125 but the civic went 11.8 at 123 on LOW BOOST. Which means in a 2700 lbs car on high boost the viper is toast. Theres way more that goes into roll races than just pure torque from a bigger motor. Once that initial hit is over, the faster car will pull regardless. The civic could have been brake boosting as well which means instant turbo hit and that could explain why the viper couldn't even get the jump from the start.

Sweet runs OP, I wish all civics were as clean and nasty as yours but unfortunately were stuck with 97% ricers, 3% bad ass.



Ive raced more turbo cars than I care to remember..And while you are right you can brake boost...You still have to shift gears at some point and when they shift that low low curve in the lower and mid range rpm's that they didnt even bother showing in the vid will show it's ugly face....

V6 TT cars even show this quite a bit...Im under the impression that is a 4 cylinder meaning the lagg would be murderous between shifts...

BUT...If that car did indeed do 123 mph and 11.8 with only 299 rwhp on the low boost setting then you are right..the thing is that......thats not even possible..im thinking they mean 11.8 at 123 mph on the 430 rwhp...Wich makes more sense to me..

To run 11.8 at 123 mph off only 299 rwhp that car would have to way 2200 pounds or less...

maybey it's gutted ect and theres more than meets the eye...But from what i see as of now i still stand by my claim

nono, the car trapped 123 at 430whp, aka 20 lbs, which most of the runs were at. I've raced a 610whp 2010 camaro on this site and stayed right next to him at 20lbs in 3rd, which surprised the hell out of me, and that car is an auto.

I was expecting him to jump out on me. I was brake boosting the shit out of the car, probably making 10-15 lbs before the start. You can see when the car is out of its powerband in the second race of the video when no ground is gained.

As far as fuel goes, the injectors are right around 80%, and the fuel pump doesnt have a whole lot left Id assume. Probably going to twin walbros with ID2000s with meth injection, bigger turbo, and a ported head. 600whp is probably the most that I could make before it becomes unstreetable in any gear. Im not sure how safe Id feel on pump gas even with Meth there though.

Ive raced more turbo cars than I care to remember..And while you are right you can brake boost...You still have to shift gears at some point and when they shift that low low curve in the lower and mid range rpm's that they didnt even bother showing in the vid will show it's ugly face....

V6 TT cars even show this quite a bit...Im under the impression that is a 4 cylinder meaning the lagg would be murderous between shifts...

BUT...If that car did indeed do 123 mph and 11.8 with only 299 rwhp on the low boost setting then you are right..the thing is that......thats not even possible..im thinking they mean 11.8 at 123 mph on the 430 rwhp...Wich makes more sense to me..

To run 11.8 at 123 mph off only 299 rwhp that car would have to way 2200 pounds or less...

maybey it's gutted ect and theres more than meets the eye...But from what i see as of now i still stand by my claim

I know I'm a new guy here but the bottom line was that the Viper driver was out driven, The most important factor of any race. You can have a car that makes plenty of power across the powerband that is set up right and forgiving, but if the driver sucks he will lose.

Good kill for the civic. There are hardly any fast ones around where I live, mostly ricers.

Agreeable that he sucked dick at driving, and would have made up ground, but I doubt it would have changed to much seeing as the civic only makes 20less whp (corrected) and weighs 700lbs less on low boost. Some real tires and high boost in 3rd would destroy him even worse.

The car has brand new 335 Kumhos I believe, so I really doubt he was spinning

And I came on here because I frequent this part of the forum for entertainment, and I've met some cool car guys here that will roll with anything.

Wow, sick ride man! That thing really rolls out for sure. The only thing I have to add is that the "20 less whp" statement and the whole hp/weight is only substantial to a point really. I mean the torque curves of these two vehicles would not look at all alike :) Peak hp doesn't really tell a fair story sometimes. Either way though, amazing car and nice job toasting that snake :nod:

You can't screw up a punch while your already in gear, and the viper had plenty of chances and lost almost every time, right off the go. You say that viper can trap 123-125 but the civic went 11.8 at 123 on LOW BOOST. Which means in a 2700 lbs car on high boost the viper is toast. Theres way more that goes into roll races than just pure torque from a bigger motor. Once that initial hit is over, the faster car will pull regardless.
Pretty much this entire statement is wrong.:)

OK...Most of the runs were at 430 rwhp and good for 123 mph trapps vs the Vipers 46x rwhp that is good for 123 mph trapps...
Thanks for clearing that up and yes you drove the sh*t outta that car..

I just really wish I was there to give you a better representation of what a snake like that is capable of..

Not for sure if I would win. But we'd make some awesome side by side videos

Not for sure if I would win.

I'm sure you wouldn't, your driving skills aren't that spectacular. :moon: :chug:

I'm sure you wouldn't, your driving skills aren't that spectacular. :moon: :chug:

Didn't you know that RAW WHEEL HORSEPOWER makes up for lack of driver skill!? :D

I'm sure you wouldn't, your driving skills aren't that spectacular. :moon: :chug:

El oh el.

Didn't you know that RAW WHEEL HORSEPOWER makes up for lack of driver skill!? :D

:drive:

God damn.

Didn't you know that RAW WHEEL HORSEPOWER makes up for lack of driver skill!? :D

:lol: and he has to start in 3rd cuz 2nd at 60mph is scary
:D

Well all I know is that Ive beaten alot of Hondas but Never one that quick. lol Very nice ride OP

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This car has a pretty good powerband for a nonvtec. A vtec car would probably have between 6-9k. The software I use to tune it has full throttle shifting but Im scared to use it lol

I wouldn't rev much past 8500 with the shotty ball and cup rocker setup this head has...

The Viper needs a real driver.

Not to be racist, but, yeah. It does. lol.

If I was gonna tune up a civic I'd supercharge it. VTEC + high boost = too much sudden power to handle, for both your car, your tires and yourself. :nod:

VTEC is like my guilty pleasure or sth. I know V8s are faster. I know VVT is better. But the sound of VTEC is irresistible. When it kicks in it sounds like a Corolla transforming into a baby LS1 and revving to 10,000 rpm. I fukin love that.

Youd have trouble making over 300whp with a supercharged B. No blower is big enough that rotates the right way.

turbo is the way to go it's just that most honda fan boys think bigger is always better and that the higher the peak numbers the better. There are plenty of legit honda guys but I always notice the good honda guys never stay with hondas long, they always seem to move to another platform.


A positive displacement blower would be sick for some torque on a quick daily driver, but as far as I know there are no positive displacement blower setups.

turbo is the way to go it's just that most honda fan boys think bigger is always better and that the higher the peak numbers the better. There are plenty of legit honda guys but I always notice the good honda guys never stay with hondas long, they always seem to move to another platform.


A positive displacement blower would be sick for some torque on a quick daily driver, but as far as I know there are no positive displacement blower setups.

Vortech that makes a kit

Vortech that makes a kit

Its not a positive displacement blower though right? I dont see positive displacement blowers used at all really in any 4 cyl applications and they are the ones that need it the most for a street fun friendly power band and throttle response.

Dont know about the vtech thing...

My 91 nsx is really just a honda and yes it has vtec. vtec kicks in around 5000 rpm's and my paxton supercharger kicked in arpound 5500 rpm's..

while it was a fun rush it was still slow..

2900 pounds and 330 rwhp isnt exactly killer performance..what maybe stock C5Z06 performance????

vtec aint bd when mixed with boost. but it aint no ls1

turbo is the way to go it's just that most honda fan boys think bigger is always better and that the higher the peak numbers the better. There are plenty of legit honda guys but I always notice the good honda guys never stay with hondas long, they always seem to move to another platform.


A positive displacement blower would be sick for some torque on a quick daily driver, but as far as I know there are no positive displacement blower setups.

well it makes sense..this is one of the better built Hondas weve seen in a while and it's what...maybe 500 rwhp..Thats like a bolt on older viper or bolt on c6Z06 or head and cam full bolt on LS1 fbody...

You can do a lot to a lawn mower...Up the power add boost ect....But in the end you have a lil lawn mower engine that really dosent cut it..

Cant blame them for makeing 350-500 rwhp and moveing on...lsx cars are pushing 600 plus rwhp...Z06's again 600 plus...Vipers and supras..Theve been over 1500 rwhp for years now. Even the TT lambo's ect are makeing 700 rwhp look easy...

just dont see how anyone could really stick around the Honda scene unless you just really love always being the underdog..

Especially when you can buy a LS1 camaro for what 7k...add another 5 K and your already at 450 plus rwhp problem free...The domestics just make it seem to easy

Well Id say for my age, having a car that will beat 99% of most cars encountered normally on the street is pretty good lol. Bigger things will come in the future. This car may just end up being a track whore if Im going to make more power, which isnt really the issue. A VTEC head, race gas and a better turbo easily another 100-150whp. Its just being FWD and 4 cylinders doesnt make for really usable power on the street.

Are you 16 years old...were all pretty much 30 and under in this section..So I dont get the for your age thing...

you THINK it will beat 99% of the cars..In reality it will beat around 70%..

Their are 65 year old men with 800 HP supras/vipers/Lambos/vettes/mustangs/ that only bring em out once a month or so..Just to blow out carbon..

500 rwhp is good...but really just the beginner level for the real cars..

Hopefully people in your area will see your vid. A Viper is a fairly prestigous kill and will likely get the attention of the higher end crowd in reguards to your sleeper...

let us know when they challange

Uh no, i'd say 99% is right.. u see how many cars are out there? I count Geo Metros and Vans in the 99 percentile

Are you 16 years old...were all pretty much 30 and under in this section..So I dont get the for your age thing...

you THINK it will beat 99% of the cars..In reality it will beat around 70%..

Their are 65 year old men with 800 HP supras/vipers/Lambos/vettes/mustangs/ that only bring em out once a month or so..Just to blow out carbon..

500 rwhp is good...but really just the beginner level for the real cars..

Hopefully people in your area will see your vid. A Viper is a fairly prestigous kill and will likely get the attention of the higher end crowd in reguards to your sleeper...

let us know when they challange

I am pretty sure he meant (and said) that he'd beat 99% of cars he sees everyday. It's the same for me, but I'm way slower. I bet I can beat 95% of cars I see every day. I have only come across a very, very limited amount of cars that would beat me (if they raced) during my commutes. Even though this sounds super :gay:, I have never lost a race on my commute to school, and only once (to a Terminator) to work. It just depends when and where you are out driving. I don't see any modded cars, aside from an exhaust only f-body or Mustang or little fartcan import, so I really can beat most everything I see, as slow as my car may be. Now, when heading to local meets or pre-planned races it's a different story.


I think you are a little peeved he beat a Viper, and would probably beat yours as well. :)

Uh no, i'd say 99% is right.. u see how many cars are out there? I count Geo Metros and Vans in the 99 percentile

Its of the cars that will race, not cars on the road.

But Vipers are hard to drive, raced my dads 05' against a bolt on C5 and the transmission moves so much it was hard for me to find the next gear... I was 17 at the time so I was still learning lol

Beat the Vette tho by 3-4 cars

Are you 16 years old...were all pretty much 30 and under in this section..So I dont get the for your age thing...

you THINK it will beat 99% of the cars..In reality it will beat around 70%..

Their are 65 year old men with 800 HP supras/vipers/Lambos/vettes/mustangs/ that only bring em out once a month or so..Just to blow out carbon..

500 rwhp is good...but really just the beginner level for the real cars..

Hopefully people in your area will see your vid. A Viper is a fairly prestigous kill and will likely get the attention of the higher end crowd in reguards to your sleeper...

let us know when they challange

You truly amaze me every time you post. It's like you are slowly going backwards in time. I'd say you're right around 12 years old now. Do you have some form of degenerative brain disease?

Are you 16 years old...were all pretty much 30 and under in this section..So I dont get the for your age thing...



I feel really old all of a sudden.

You truly amaze me every time you post. It's like you are slowly going backwards in time. I'd say you're right around 12 years old now. Do you have some form of degenerative brain disease?

Lmao, I agree man. If that 500hp civic can only beat 70% of cars on the road I must be at like 25%, lol.

Lmao, I agree man. If that 500hp civic can only beat 70% of cars on the road I must be at like 25%, lol.

Seriously!! Same here. :eyes:

:lol:

You guys talking about beating 90% of cars on the road.. But counting out everything that doesn't get drove everyday (majority of the fast cars) or things in other parts of the country.

How cute.

I can beat 100% of cars on the road then... I have never been beat by anything I have ever raced, only been beat by a couple bikes and beat most of them.
I have the fastest car in the world. This is awesome.



Killemall went about it and worded it wrong but his thinking was on par.

:lol:

You guys talking about beating 90% of cars on the road.. But counting out everything that doesn't get drove everyday (majority of the fast cars) or things in other parts of the country.

How cute.

I can beat 100% of cars on the road then... I have never been beat by anything I have ever raced, only been beat by a couple bikes and beat most of them.
I have the fastest car in the world. This is awesome.



Killemall went about it and worded it wrong but his thinking was on par.

Oh I'm sorry, you're right lemons. I should count that Zonda out in California, and all the other fast cars in Texas and Stopsign's car out in 5.slowland into my %.

Why would I count things I don't come across? Also, no one said x% of cars in general. I (we) said that % of cars I (we) see everyday. If I don't have a chance to race it, I don't count it. If my area had a bunch of cars that could beat me, and I saw them on a daily basis, I would count them. I know I didn't say my car was the fastest ever, or even fast, so keep pulling things out of your ass to fit your argument.

Yes that what I meant. I hardly ever see cars to race normally. Its hard unless you go to a meet or something. I dont really go out to meets or any of that stuff because it always ends up everyone standing around with their hands in their pockets (the ones I've been to which aren't regular monthly or weekly meets).

I drive and mod my car for myself, not to prove anything to anyone. You get out in the real world and most "car" people are clueless anyway. If I know someone I want to race or I see some on the street or Im on a cruise with some people, sure. But Id say unless you drive out to a regular hang out spot where guys put there balls on the table, you wont see squat.

One of the most ignorant things that pisses me off alot is when people ask me how much boost Im running when they see the intercooler. As if knowing the number will give them any clue as to how much power Im making. For example, I was running about 20psi on the stock integra and make about 300whp (after dyno). 20psi on the civic is 430. Pretty damn big difference huh. Id tell people I was running 20 psi in the integra and their minds would be blown because it wasnt "that fast" and Id start getting people telling me its bullshit. Those people can fuck off

/End rant lol

Yes that what I meant. I hardly ever see cars to race normally. Its hard unless you go to a meet or something. I dont really go out to meets or any of that stuff because it always ends up everyone standing around with their hands in their pockets (the ones I've been to which aren't regular monthly or weekly meets).

I drive and mod my car for myself, not to prove anything to anyone. You get out in the real world and most "car" people are clueless anyway. If I know someone I want to race or I see some on the street or Im on a cruise with some people, sure. But Id say unless you drive out to a regular hang out spot where guys put there balls on the table, you wont see squat.

One of the most ignorant things that pisses me off alot is when people ask me how much boost Im running when they see the intercooler. As if knowing the number will give them any clue as to how much power Im making. For example, I was running about 20psi on the stock integra and make about 300whp (after dyno). 20psi on the civic is 430. Pretty damn big difference huh. Id tell people I was running 20 psi in the integra and their minds would be blown because it wasnt "that fast" and Id start getting people telling me its bullshit. Those people can fuck off

/End rant lol

Sooo true!!! I hang out with all types of car guys. The funniest thing is when certain "car" guys ask someone how much psi their making and then they compare it to their evo's, sti's or whatever psi. You cant do that without knowing more about the car and the build. But it can be comical when they say they are boosting more psi and go to race... Then often come back complaining. All because they dont ask the "proper" questions. :nod:

Are you racing out at US41 this Saturday? Or just hanging out?

Oh I'm sorry, you're right lemons. I should count that Zonda out in California, and all the other fast cars in Texas and Stopsign's car out in 5.slowland into my %.

Why would I count things I don't come across? Also, no one said x% of cars in general. I (we) said that % of cars I (we) see everyday. If I don't have a chance to race it, I don't count it. If my area had a bunch of cars that could beat me, and I saw them on a daily basis, I would count them. I know I didn't say my car was the fastest ever, or even fast, so keep pulling things out of your ass to fit your argument.

Who says they aren't in your area.

I live in a fairly small town.. About once a month I hear of a new car (that usually runs a damn fast time). Just because I don't pass him driving doesn't mean shit. I could live somewhere for 10 years and NEVER pass a car in my entire lifetime that lived 15 minutes from me and was drove EVERY day, doesn't mean it doesn't "count". Which in that instance has happened SEVERAL times to me.
I drive my car about once or twice per week, depending on weather/time I have/etc. It has been down for about 2 weeks now, before that it was down about 6 months. I WILL NOT race ANYWHERE remotely close to town. Catch me on the highway/set a dig race up somewhere out of town/etc and I'm **ALL** for it. So should the people in my town "not count my car" because of this stuff.

I wasn't "arguing" so I had no reason to "pull things out of my ass" as you put it. Simply making an observation about you guys conversation and posting my opinion/thoughts on it out loud. Chill out.

One of the most ignorant things that pisses me off alot is when people ask me how much boost Im running when they see the intercooler. As if knowing the number will give them any clue as to how much power Im making.

Wait, pressure doesn't equal flow?

My mind is blown.

:razz:

You're right, a lot of "car guys" are clueless, and many meets are a waste of time. When you get to meet other knowledgeable people they can be great though. I'm well aware that there are guys who have been racing longer than ive been alive, and every now and then one of them can teach me something. Where are you located BTW?

good kill man!! nice car. Would of been a better race if driver knew how to drive but thats the drivers fault not yours :)

Wouldve been nice to see you race him from a dig. But he sucks at driving so probably wouldnt have mattered lol

Who says they aren't in your area.

I live in a fairly small town.. About once a month I hear of a new car (that usually runs a damn fast time). Just because I don't pass him driving doesn't mean shit. I could live somewhere for 10 years and NEVER pass a car in my entire lifetime that lived 15 minutes from me and was drove EVERY day, doesn't mean it doesn't "count". Which in that instance has happened SEVERAL times to me.
I drive my car about once or twice per week, depending on weather/time I have/etc. It has been down for about 2 weeks now, before that it was down about 6 months. I WILL NOT race ANYWHERE remotely close to town. Catch me on the highway/set a dig race up somewhere out of town/etc and I'm **ALL** for it. So should the people in my town "not count my car" because of this stuff.

I wasn't "arguing" so I had no reason to "pull things out of my ass" as you put it. Simply making an observation about you guys conversation and posting my opinion/thoughts on it out loud. Chill out.

My bad, I guess I took your post as a little more serious than intended. Damn interwebz. My bad man, I guess we just differ on what we include. I know there are PLENTY of cars around me to kick my ass, but I don't see them on my commute. Like I said before, when I go to meets, shows, etc. my car is in the bottom half of the "fast" cars. I count what I see daily, not what could be out there. You obviously have a different view, which is fine by me.

:cheers:

My bad, I guess I took your post as a little more serious than intended. Damn interwebz. My bad man, I guess we just differ on what we include. I know there are PLENTY of cars around me to kick my ass, but I don't see them on my commute. Like I said before, when I go to meets, shows, etc. my car is in the bottom half of the "fast" cars. I count what I see daily, not what could be out there. You obviously have a different view, which is fine by me.

:cheers:

Grain of salt man.
Honestly the majority..... Ok some.... Of my posts aren't meant to be rude/harsh/etc, it is just the way people take them.

That subject matter was/is all opinion anyway. :nod:

Grain of salt man.
Honestly the majority..... Ok some.... Of my posts aren't meant to be rude/harsh/etc, it is just the way people take them.

That subject matter was/is all opinion anyway. :nod:

Usually I see which is which, but I failed on this one.


Opinions are not a valid argument on LS1tech btw. :)

Are you racing out at US41 this Saturday? Or just hanging out?

I think Im actually gonna go Friday night seeing as theres a good chance of rain on Saturday.


Wait, pressure doesn't equal flow?

My mind is blown.

:razz:

You're right, a lot of "car guys" are clueless, and many meets are a waste of time. When you get to meet other knowledgeable people they can be great though. I'm well aware that there are guys who have been racing longer than ive been alive, and every now and then one of them can teach me something. Where are you located BTW?

Yeah, usually those people are a select group of friends that get together from an area and its cool to meet those people. The normal shindigs with like 40-50 cars meeting in a Walmart parking are usually pretty worthless.

Im going to school at Purdue in IN, so Im there 8 months out of the years. The other 4 months Im usually home in NJ.

The Viper drive wants a rematch claiming hes become a better driver apaprently over this past weekend lol. Ill see if he'll come to the track.

how many of us would pass the op's lil black old not so attractive civic and not even give it a second thought..

thats my point. Is is just one of many that is out their that you see and have no idea about and asume you can beat 80% of the cars you see or 95% of the cars you see ect.

years ago I had a head and cammed vette just a lil shy of 400 rwhp. I honestly felt like I was faster than 99% of the cars I saw in my area ect..

Then I got the viper at around 450 rwhp stock and all the sudden the bigger players had a lil interest in my ride (they cared nothing for the vette and never even let me know they existed)...

All of the sudden their are all kinds of guys out their with 400-600 rwhp imports from supercharged S2000's to supras and everything in between who would have murdered my vette...And they are all pretty close by..

So now my vipers around 500 rwhp and around 3250 pounds and guess what...It aint sh*t....There are so many older gentlemen who have put thousands into their baby over the years and would just run away...Or young buisness workers /contractors ect.

Go to any of the nicer neiborhoods not far from were you live...

Im talking about the neiborhoods that cost say 400K while almost everyone else is living in the 200K neiborhoods..

Take a nice slow drive through this neiborhood and look in the driveways/garages...You will see some rides that will blow your mind and you didnt even know were in your area..

They are out their!!!!!!!!

A week ago I saw a silver gallardo with the plates "UWUDLUS"

how sick is that....I mean got DAY*M.....

And what about those 427 shelby cobra replicas...500 HP and what 2800 pounds...Again those older guys might not daily drive em ect. But dont be fooled...

[B]Take a nice slow drive through this neiborhood and look in the driveways/garages...You will see some rides that will blow your mind and you didnt even know were in your area..

My neighbor to my parents' house has a BMW 750i as his winter beater, BMW M3 as his summer car, so I complimented him on those cars being a 20 year old kid washing my car outside my parents house one day over the summer and he gave me a ride out to his storage unit where he had an old school 67 GT500, 69 Yenko Camaro, a brand new ZR1, a 2010 Camaro SS supercharged, and an 04 Kenne Bell Cobra... He even let me take his M3 and Camaro SS for a quick spin. It is amazing what you'll see just by reaching out to older wealthier people :hump:

how many of us would pass the op's lil black old not so attractive civic and not even give it a second thought..

thats my point. Is is just one of many that is out their that you see and have no idea about and asume you can beat 80% of the cars you see or 95% of the cars you see ect.

years ago I had a head and cammed vette just a lil shy of 400 rwhp. I honestly felt like I was faster than 99% of the cars I saw in my area ect..

Then I got the viper at around 450 rwhp stock and all the sudden the bigger players had a lil interest in my ride (they cared nothing for the vette and never even let me know they existed)...

All of the sudden their are all kinds of guys out their with 400-600 rwhp imports from supercharged S2000's to supras and everything in between who would have murdered my vette...And they are all pretty close by..

So now my vipers around 500 rwhp and around 3250 pounds and guess what...It aint sh*t....There are so many older gentlemen who have put thousands into their baby over the years and would just run away...Or young buisness workers /contractors ect.

Go to any of the nicer neiborhoods not far from were you live...

Im talking about the neiborhoods that cost say 400K while almost everyone else is living in the 200K neiborhoods..

Take a nice slow drive through this neiborhood and look in the driveways/garages...You will see some rides that will blow your mind and you didnt even know were in your area..

They are out their!!!!!!!!

A week ago I saw a silver gallardo with the plates "UWUDLUS"

how sick is that....I mean got DAY*M.....

And what about those 427 shelby cobra replicas...500 HP and what 2800 pounds...Again those older guys might not daily drive em ect. But dont be fooled...

I don't know what money has to do with it but ok. My home town is in the 4th richest county in the US and is fully of snotty assholes but people arent racing around in there gallardos and ZR1s.

And considering one of my good friends here has a factory five replica with a built 331, I have an idea lol. And they are much lighter then 2800 lbs...

^^^

What tire you run at the track? Honest question, you going with a 26in slick?

A 500hp civic should hit low 10's easy I have seen plenty of them around me, if they get out the hole and hook they do this otherwise they run the same as my car.

No doubt though Killemall his car is decent I think you are getting a tad mad since he beat a viper. I had an excuse for my bullshit I was plastered last time I checked this and apologized to the OP.

Its got some 23" MH racemasters right now. Will be going to 24.5's over the winter

^^^

What tire you run at the track? Honest question, you going with a 26in slick?

A 500hp civic should hit low 10's easy I have seen plenty of them around me, if they get out the hole and hook they do this otherwise they run the same as my car.

No doubt though Killemall his car is decent I think you are getting a tad mad since he beat a viper. I had an excuse for my bullshit I was plastered last time I checked this and apologized to the OP.

Crashemall gets excited sometimes. The fact that a Honda beat a Viper probably has him a bit traumatized. It will be OK.

Its got some 23" MH racemasters right now. Will be going to 24.5's over the winter

Nice man 24.5 should be good, how are the QTP's for your car? I know we got them to work well on a friends ~600 Fwhp impala.

Crashemall gets excited sometimes. The fact that a Honda beat a Viper probably has him a bit traumatized. It will be OK.

LOL this really made me LOL.

IDK, I've got BFG drag radials back home I havent had a chance to try, and was planning on replacing them with ET streets when the time came.

One of the most ignorant things that pisses me off alot is when people ask me how much boost Im running when they see the intercooler. As if knowing the number will give them any clue as to how much power Im making. For example, I was running about 20psi on the stock integra and make about 300whp (after dyno). 20psi on the civic is 430. Pretty damn big difference huh. Id tell people I was running 20 psi in the integra and their minds would be blown because it wasnt "that fast" and Id start getting people telling me its bullshit. Those people can fuck off

/End rant lol

Lol..I know exactly what you mean, when I had my Evo i was constantly getting asked that question. I would tell them that I was pushing 30psi and they would go nuts. Most people don't even realize they are pushing 20psi stock. Thing is I was running 30psi on the stocker and then 30psi on a GT-35R and there wasn't even a comparison but to them it was still 30psi.

Yup. Then they tell you that its impossible without racegas. Just get hilarious overhearing peoples conversation on topics they think they know.

That's why I always ask "what's your setup?" when I am asking somebody about their car. I don't know everything about everything, but I know enough to get a ballpark if somebody tells me the heads/cams/blower/turbo/blah blah blah.

This is why you ask, what turbo are you running and how much PSI?

If they say an amount you know is legit you then say would you care to elaborate on wtf is done? or you just continue on and hope they have the correct mods for said amount of boost.

I used to run 18 psi on my 88 Tbird Turbo coupe with the stock IHI (really shitty) turbo. It was slow as dog shit haha.

That's why I always ask "what's your setup?" when I am asking somebody about their car. I don't know everything about everything, but I know enough to get a ballpark if somebody tells me the heads/cams/blower/turbo/blah blah blah.

I love people like you. Its just an NA small block with heads, cam and bolt ons. How fast will it go? I've seen some single digit cars that fit that description. Just saying.

I love people like you. Its just an NA small block with heads, cam and bolt ons. How fast will it go? I've seen some single digit cars that fit that description. Just saying.

I know enough to know if you tell me about your fantastic heads and cam to know that it's gonna be fast. So I don't know what your "people like you" comment refers to :confused:

I know enough to know if you tell me about your fantastic heads and cam to know that it's gonna be fast. So I don't know what your "people like you" comment refers to :confused:

Well I wouldn't tell you which heads and cam. Damn man you know how it works. LOL! The people like you wasn't an insult. It was to show that it is really easy to BS about mods, I have been hustled a couple of times. Heads and cam can cover a large range of potential.

Well I wouldn't tell you which heads and cam. Damn man you know how it works. LOL! The people like you wasn't an insult. It was to show that it is really easy to BS about mods, I have been hustled a couple of times. Heads and cam can cover a large range of potential.

Well I'm not the kind of person who goes to street races at all... if I was chillin at Starbuck's or something and you pulled up I would ask you about your car. And if you said, "Oh it's a heads/cam motor," I would say, "Oh that's cool man, what heads/cam are you running?" Friendly discussion, not at a race gathering.

Well I wouldn't tell you which heads and cam. Damn man you know how it works. LOL! The people like you wasn't an insult. It was to show that it is really easy to BS about mods, I have been hustled a couple of times. Heads and cam can cover a large range of potential.

If you street race someone on the premise of what they say at that moment, then I love people like you....

I usually ask around first I text one person 10 mins later I get the low down on the car, lol. I tell people what is done to my car and they don't believe it is fast until they see it in action.

I'm sure you wouldn't, your driving skills aren't that spectacular. :moon: :chug:

Didn't you know that RAW WHEEL HORSEPOWER makes up for lack of driver skill!? :D

You truly amaze me every time you post. It's like you are slowly going backwards in time. I'd say you're right around 12 years old now. Do you have some form of degenerative brain disease?

Crashemall gets excited sometimes. The fact that a Honda beat a Viper probably has him a bit traumatized. It will be OK.

:chug: :jest: ;)

nice video, thats a badass civic.

Yes that video with a car that looks pretty much just like mine getting beat hurt pretty bad..LOL..

I actually found the guy though and have been PM'ing him..
I think if the OP races him again it will be much closer

Killemall,

I'm not sure how you're intending some of your posts, but youre coming across as a butthurt fanboy.

The OP, like myself, is a college kid who likes to go fast. We're probably both 22 or younger, and with the limited funds we have at this age, have both built 500+ whp, < 2800lb "ricers" that can jog away from 99% of the cars we encounter on a daily basis.

how many of us would pass the op's lil black old not so attractive civic and not even give it a second thought..


Sure, it's a civic.

What you fail to understand is it's also a car that someone took the time to build. Dedicated the effort to planning and building an engine, turbo system, supporting mods, etc.

OP is DIY guy, which means a lot of time and effort have gone into wrenching on/fabricating things for the car.

You seem to have no appreciation for this, probably because you haven't built a car. You bought a viper, did a few bolt ons, walked a few ricers, and now you have a superiority complex that this particular import seems to be offending.


I actually found the guy though and have been PM'ing him..
I think if the OP races him again it will be much closer

You went out of your way to find the viper owner...you really are peeved that a lowly civic walked a mighty viper, eh?

For what it's worth, the viper did get a few relatively clean runs, and got smoked. That's not going to change, especially if the OP makes an effort this time. No brake boosting, lifting on the shifts and still pulling buses...i'm sure a few PMs are going to make it an even run, lol.

Uh oh, the Viper got driving lessons from the best Viper driver ever through PMs! Watch out! I find it funny (and sad) that you went out of your way to find the guy because he got beat by a Civic. :jest:


LightningTeg, please take the rematch and get videos of it. I wanna see this Viper get walked again & what Crashemall's response to that will be. :)

Well I'm not the kind of person who goes to street races at all... if I was chillin at Starbuck's or something and you pulled up I would ask you about your car. And if you said, "Oh it's a heads/cam motor," I would say, "Oh that's cool man, what heads/cam are you running?" Friendly discussion, not at a race gathering.

Your argument is still weak. Knowing what type of heads cam gives you an idea of the power, not the whole setup. I always get very technical and ask all kinds of questions if I really want to know what it runs.

Examples: If I told you I had a car with PRC heads & a MS4 cam, it could be just an average mid 11 car, or TSP's SBE record holder running like 9.8 or whatever it is. Big difference huh?

Or another example, my friend's sister's bf's Z28. Looks like it has exhaust and that's it from far away, still has the snowflakes. However, there are DRs on those wheels, and it's a H/C LS2. Run's 10.60's. You wouldn't get that from what heads/cam/gears.

There is no "argument" at all. Like I said, I don't street race (and definitely not for money), so I wouldn't be interrogating somebody when I am asking about their car. And generally, "what's your setup," is followed by, "So do you ever go to the track? What's it run?" You're coming at it from a completely different angle than I am.

Uh oh, the Viper got driving lessons from the best Viper driver ever through PMs! Watch out! I find it funny (and sad) that you went out of your way to find the guy because he got beat by a Civic. :jest:


LightningTeg, please take the rematch and get videos of it. I wanna see this Viper get walked again & what Crashemall's response to that will be. :)

Agreed.

Not trying to insult anyone here, but if this race happens again, I'd like to see what happens from a dig as well as a roll.

Not trying to insult anyone here, but if this race happens again, I'd like to see what happens from a dig as well as a roll.

If the viper driver can't roll race, it's safe to say he can't dig either :chug:

With temps dropping its going to be like driving on ice.

Not trying to insult anyone here, but if this race happens again, I'd like to see what happens from a dig as well as a roll.

Bad idea. Killemall has been in contact with the Viper driver. If they race from a dig the Viper will inevitably be wrecked. NOBODY CAN HANDLE THE VIPERS 475 RAW WHEEL HORSEPOWER!

With temps dropping its going to be like driving on ice.

Pllllllllllllllllease. :angel:

Run him again from 70-130 mph.......3 races. best 2 outta 3 wins...If one of you obviously jump out 3 car lengths right off the bat then one of you spun the tires bad. the run wasnt clean. reset and go again...

That guy LITERALLY just bought that car. And i actually knew him prior to him buying the viper. Just never had a reason to talk to him till now.

None of his runs in the vid looked clean to me except the one were he jumped out on you....

He was eighter spinning the tires or appeared to be starting in 3rd gear at 60 mph.

70 roll? Really? Ironic that you are askig for that high of a roll against a turbo FWD car with over 500whp.

Viper's gonna get walked. You are basically just picking you poison.

He told me he was in second gear when we were doing the runs and he was missing the 3rd shift on a few of em.

Like I said, the cleanest runs (#2 and the second from the last) represent the viper. Even if it took him a second to shift (which clearly didnt) id still be pulling from him.

hey man you were there and whooped a$$.....But a new viper owner is not gonna be able to give a good represntation. it is an extremely hard car to drive fast.

he said he has been practicing a lot since your runs against some supercharged vipers and built c6Z06 and says he is better now...



i just know first hand...



here is me the first time i raced the 600 awhp GTR's in my 475 rwhp Viper...starting at 40-60 mph in second gear is a DEAD spot..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OremvKWrKn0

Just listen to that long lull as i start in second gear at 50 mph...

the cars are geared to do

-59 in first
-90 in second
-121 in third
-160 in fourth
-193 top speed in 5th
-6th gear is just an overdrive



now heres me raceing the same cars but starting at 70 mph in second gear...still not optimal but atleaste not a dead spot in my rpm's......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM27oR75YnE


I suddenly go from getting pulled a 2-3 car lengths to tie/beating/or looseing by a length....A HUGE DIFFERANCE


really 40-50 mph in first gear would be killer..But getting a vipers 500 plus feet of tourque that hit at such low rpm's from that 505 cubic inch engine is nearly impossible. So people (includeing my self) make the huge mistake of starting in second gear at 50 mph..


70 mph in second gear will give you a much better race..Significantly better..Dont know if he will win but you will both be smileing

I think you are forgetting that this FWD car is putting down more power than the Viper, meaning it will have traction issues as well at that low of a roll. Starting a race higher than the speed limit = :gay:.

40-140 if you like the 100mph courtesy rule.
40-120 if you like the 80 mph courtesy rule (my favorite so speeeds don't get stupid high).

You can argue it until you are blue in the teeth, but I can garuntee this Viper will still lose, even if you were driving :lol:.

I need my drag radials to hook in second. Id love to go from lower rolls but I dont have a chance spinning. Shifting into 3rd from spinning second always grinds for some reason is really finicky which is why I never do it.

And you also have to remember, I was spinning in 3rd and still pulling away. Even if it is a "dead" spot in the viper, he should at least stop my pull before I get to 4th.

I need my drag radials to hook in second. Id love to go from lower rolls but I dont have a chance spinning. Shifting into 3rd from spinning second always grinds for some reason is really finicky which is why I never do it.

The downside to a high powered front driver. Getting them to hook on a street tire is a bitch.

front wheel drive...dayum...thats crazy....

I agree that at 500 whp and 2800 pounds he should yank the 470 rwhp and 3300 pound Viper pretty good...

Given up 2 tenths in the power differance and another 5 tenths in the weight differance...

In that senario it should be a 124 mph viper verses a 130 mph civic


But several of the races were a 2800 pound civic at 430 whp vs the viper at 3300 and 470 rwhp..

The Viper then has a 3 tenth advantage due to power but looses 5 tenths in weight meaning their should only be a 2 tenth spread between them and very very very close..

BUT...it has been my experiance that 90% of the TT cars never run as fast as they are suppossed to in comparison to naturally asperated cars....I have whooped on several TT cars that had 50-100 more rwhp than I do...but the power curve was so small i was still able to seal the deal...

OP's car though..Admittedly at this point seems to fall in to that 10% catergory were it actually seems to run the way the power to weight would suggest. Gotta give props were it's due...

Got dammi$ what a year...few months ago i was praising the 2011 mustangs and now im bowing down to a got day*m honda civic...

2010 has been an interesting one

Just race from a dig :)

Well yeah, sorry the forum is a GM based place, I am not a GM nutswinger but bringing this here is more cannon fodder for the masses.

This also was an unnecessary comment he owns a GM made vehicle am I correct?

In other words Go Fuck yourself, or come to Southern California and race me.

Irunelevens, the section itself is titled that but what is the web URL you have to type in to get there? Ohh yeah that's right www.LS1Tech.com. so your argument is not valid. Please try again.

damn, since cobalt isnt in the URL so I cant post those kills :(




OP, nice vid ans sweet sleeper.

Bad idea. Killemall has been in contact with the Viper driver. If they race from a dig the Viper will inevitably be wrecked. NOBODY CAN HANDLE THE VIPERS 475 RAW WHEEL HORSEPOWER!

and instant and overwhelming torque :lol:


:hijack:

Good races you straight know he was on cloud 9 seeing that viper falling behind lol,I don't know why people buy such high dollar cars and cannot operate them lol,even with a good driver I still see the honda winning but would be a lil closer

front wheel drive...dayum...thats crazy....

I agree that at 500 whp and 2800 pounds he should yank the 470 rwhp and 3300 pound Viper pretty good...

Given up 2 tenths in the power differance and another 5 tenths in the weight differance...

In that senario it should be a 124 mph viper verses a 130 mph civic


But several of the races were a 2800 pound civic at 430 whp vs the viper at 3300 and 470 rwhp..

The Viper then has a 3 tenth advantage due to power but looses 5 tenths in weight meaning their should only be a 2 tenth spread between them and very very very close..

BUT...it has been my experiance that 90% of the TT cars never run as fast as they are suppossed to in comparison to naturally asperated cars....I have whooped on several TT cars that had 50-100 more rwhp than I do...but the power curve was so small i was still able to seal the deal...

OP's car though..Admittedly at this point seems to fall in to that 10% catergory were it actually seems to run the way the power to weight would suggest. Gotta give props were it's due...

Got dammi$ what a year...few months ago i was praising the 2011 mustangs and now im bowing down to a got day*m honda civic...

2010 has been an interesting one

Bench racing at it's finest. :)

After this winter they'll be a rematch for sure with big changes for (both cars) happening.

Bench racing at it's finest. :)

he is great at math but bad with grammar :)

he is great at math but bad with grammar :)

:jest:

hey man you were there and whooped a$$.....But a new viper owner is not gonna be able to give a good represntation. it is an extremely hard car to drive fast.

Just listen to that long lull as i start in second gear at 50 mph...

the cars are geared to do

-59 in first
-90 in second
-121 in third
-160 in fourth
-193 top speed in 5th
-6th gear is just an overdrive



now heres me raceing the same cars but starting at 70 mph in second

wow talk about excuses

Just give the honda some credit and enjoy the videos.

he is great at math but bad with grammar :)
LOL....You nailed that shiet

Lightening Teg you should post more kills of Vipers, and I should get drunk and start shit talking, 8 pages of this is great LOL.

Just playing though this is entertaining, I can't wait to see the rematch I will be sure to be sober the night you post the video LOL.

Pllllllllllllllllease. :angel:

i know FWD cars already have a hard time hooking, so do vipers btw.

I know the weather makes a massive difference in traction with my car.

At 45 degrees the way it is outside now in newengland the car would skate even going into 4th.

guess thats all their is and their isnt any more..Really wanted to see a round 2 before any more modifications..

I ran a black TT integra a few months ago..Buty I think this one was only in the 300's for fwhp because I walked away pretty easily.

Integras wouldn't be "TT"... single turbo.

Integras wouldn't be "TT"... single turbo.

The serious Honda guys are no joke nowadays. There is at least one K20 TT and I'm pretty sure most if not all J-series swaps can have twins too.

Yeah... but a J-series is a V6. And there are only a handful of twin-turbo 4cyl Hondas in the world (for a reason). Killemall was just saying "TT" because he meant "turbo," I'm sure.

Yeah... but a J-series is a V6. And there are only a handful of twin-turbo 4cyl Hondas in the world (for a reason). Killemall was just saying "TT" because he meant "turbo," I'm sure.

I'm with you 100%. I'm sure he meant turbo, just bringing to light that twin turbo Hondas do exist. :)

I know ;)

Ok first off run me from a dig and see how your 500 hp honda does.

Nice job but honestly with the sandwich time you could pack in between the vipers shifts of course you built enough egt to spool the turbo and make power.

Good kill non the less but why did you post this on a GM forum neither were GM's I think you wanted to show how cool your honduh was.

No one cares about your slow ass camaro. :gtfo:

As far as the viper in the video goes, he needs to learn how to drive, but even with that I'd put my money the civic would still win.

Normally I hate civics because they always try to do burn outs in their 200< hp cars and act like retards, but yours is really nice. :chug:

hell ill tell him right now..

Dude you aint hooik at 50 mph in first gear in no viper.....And second gear at 40 or 50 mph is a dead spot..

race that civic again at a 70 mph roll with you in second gear...be ready for the shift to 3rd at 90 mph and you will beat him no matter what his boost level

The instant tourque of the viper will be to much for him...But at those low speeds you were eighter spinning or lulling like crazy
You give your/his viper way to much credit. You can't tell me he won't be able to hook with only 470 hp and that car is not beating a 600awhp gtr. (especially with the current driver)

You give your/his viper way to much credit. You can't tell me he won't be able to hook with only 470 hp and that car is not beating a 600awhp gtr. (especially with the current driver)

That would be true, but you are leaving out the RAW WHEEL HORSEPOWER factor. :D

Wouldn't mind having your Honda as a DD. Freaking fast Honda and shit lol

Your car is GAY! That run wasn't evern worth posting LOL! Great run LOL!

This car is way loud to be a DD. With a quiet exhaust it would be real good IMO. It has no torque below 1500 rpm to with the cam and 4" exhaust. I put a car chemistry insert in the other day so I could drive it long distances and man did it help.

This car is way loud to be a DD. With a quiet exhaust it would be real good IMO. It has no torque below 1500 rpm to with the cam and 4" exhaust. I put a car chemistry insert in the other day so I could drive it long distances and man did it help.

If I built a DD turbo honda I would shoot for say about 300whp and go with the smallest turbo that would allow me to do that. I dont think I've ever seen a honda built for maximum torque and area under the curve but I think you could get a pretty usable power band out of them if you planned for it.

My integra was amazing. Turbo was tiny so it instant spooled from anything above 3000 rpm and made butloads of torque and a respectable amount of power. I miss that powerband =(.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/xLightningx/chris_hp.jpg'

A 1.8l Honda with more torque than hp? :bs:





:jest:

how many of us would pass the op's lil black old not so attractive civic and not even give it a second thought..

thats my point. Is is just one of many that is out their that you see and have no idea about and asume you can beat 80% of the cars you see or 95% of the cars you see ect.

years ago I had a head and cammed vette just a lil shy of 400 rwhp. I honestly felt like I was faster than 99% of the cars I saw in my area ect..

Then I got the viper at around 450 rwhp stock and all the sudden the bigger players had a lil interest in my ride (they cared nothing for the vette and never even let me know they existed)...

All of the sudden their are all kinds of guys out their with 400-600 rwhp imports from supercharged S2000's to supras and everything in between who would have murdered my vette...And they are all pretty close by..

So now my vipers around 500 rwhp and around 3250 pounds and guess what...It aint sh*t....There are so many older gentlemen who have put thousands into their baby over the years and would just run away...Or young buisness workers /contractors ect.

Go to any of the nicer neiborhoods not far from were you live...

Im talking about the neiborhoods that cost say 400K while almost everyone else is living in the 200K neiborhoods..

Take a nice slow drive through this neiborhood and look in the driveways/garages...You will see some rides that will blow your mind and you didnt even know were in your area..

They are out their!!!!!!!!

A week ago I saw a silver gallardo with the plates "UWUDLUS"

how sick is that....I mean got DAY*M.....

And what about those 427 shelby cobra replicas...500 HP and what 2800 pounds...Again those older guys might not daily drive em ect. But dont be fooled...

You're an idiot. I would pass your car with out giving it a second thought knowing it was just another slow viper. While I would have fun racing the "lowly civic".

my C5 beat a c6 z06 at the dragstrip because the kid couldnt cut a light orrrrrr drive his car. his best pass was a 12.60@118-120. Itd be a different story with a decent driver. My point being, its a drivers race, run whatcha brung. A kill is a kill. nice civic bud. looks clean and hauls ass!

Its just an NA small block with heads, cam and bolt ons. How fast will it go?

Hahaha hell yea. :secret2:

For me its even easier...all I gotta do is say its an NA LT1 and I get bites :devil:.

Your car is GAY! That run wasn't evern worth posting LOL! Great run LOL!

I feel a duty to reiterate this post.

You give your/his viper way to much credit. You can't tell me he won't be able to hook with only 470 hp and that car is not beating a 600awhp gtr. (especially with the current driver)

why not..y car has like 8 rwhp more than his and for the weight reduction I have of 100 pounds I also have a roll bar installed to my frame that adds weight...

And I was able to get a few W's against the 600 awhp GTR's...So why couldnt he??????

Weve got guys running low 11's on street tires with only high 400 rwhp...1.78 60 foot and 11.3 at 124...some in the 125-126 range...And Im talking about normal 1500 foot DA's...

A 470/500 rwhp/rwt viper like the OP's when properly driven is pretty darn fast...Atleaste faster than this video represented...

ive got a race with a 500 HP crank S2000 and 550 HP crank 2011 Z06 this coming weekend so ill revenge my fallen yellow brother

Lol @ all the hate for Vipers on this board.

Lol @ all the hate for Vipers on this board.

pleeaaasseee.... like this board is civic friendly either.

You earn the shit you get on this board.

pleeaaasseee.... like this board is civic friendly either.

You earn the shit you get on this board.

:jest: If it's not a GM it's a turd! :jest:

The dyno numbers the viper made in the video are not SAE corrected. Corrected numbers are 454/487

why not..y car has like 8 rwhp more than his and for the weight reduction I have of 100 pounds I also have a roll bar installed to my frame that adds weight...

And I was able to get a few W's against the 600 awhp GTR's...So why couldnt he??????

Weve got guys running low 11's on street tires with only high 400 rwhp...1.78 60 foot and 11.3 at 124...some in the 125-126 range...And Im talking about normal 1500 foot DA's...

A 470/500 rwhp/rwt viper like the OP's when properly driven is pretty darn fast...Atleaste faster than this video represented...

ive got a race with a 500 HP crank S2000 and 550 HP crank 2011 Z06 this coming weekend so ill revenge my fallen yellow brother


sounds fun

At the end of the day it's still a gay ass honda

At the end of the day it's still a gay ass honda

Kinda like at the end of the day yours is just a slow ass camaro.

At the end of the day it's still a gay ass honda

Please enlighten us on how its a "Gay ass honda" ?? The fact that its cheaper then your boat? Faster then your boat? Cheaper to build then your boat? Better on gas then your boat? I think jealousy is talking.. NEXT

Please enlighten us on how its a "Gay ass honda" ?? The fact that its cheaper then your boat? Faster then your boat? Cheaper to build then your boat? Better on gas then your boat? I think jealousy is talking.. NEXT

It's ok, I've been arguing with this idiot in another thread too. Check out the LT1 vs SRT10 RAM thread, last 2-3 pages lol. :chug:

Haters gonna hate lol. Sorry mommy and daddy didn't buy me my cars

Haters gonna hate lol. Sorry mommy and daddy didn't buy me my cars

Great runs, and I wouldn't worry too much. Your car seems to hold it's own and then some even on low boost. Post some up on higher boost :)

Please enlighten us on how its a "Gay ass honda" ?? The fact that its cheaper then your boat? Faster then your boat? Cheaper to build then your boat? Better on gas then your boat? I think jealousy is talking.. NEXT

Yeah I'm so jealous... Wish I had a 500rwhp civic.

Yeah I'm so jealous... Wish I had a 500rwhp civic.

You cant compare a modern RWD "Sports car" to a 13 year old tin can with way to much power. Its just a fun car to go rip around on. Im not claiming anything more then that.

So unless you're going to come out here and run me, you should stfu. And I hope you get rear ended with those stupid blacked out tail lights. (wtf is with that trend?)

f'n noobs with new cars all high and mighty.............

if you cant appreciate a fast, well dont vehicle go post on cardomain...

You cant compare a modern RWD "Sports car" to a 13 year old tin can with way to much power. Its just a fun car to go rip around on. Im not claiming anything more then that.

So unless you're going to come out here and run me, you should stfu. And I hope you get rear ended with those stupid blacked out tail lights. (wtf is with that trend?)

Good luck surviving a wreck in your tin can. And you can clearly see the brake lights and night lights through the black out.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2m5j66r.jpg

Wish people would understand not everyone and their mother buys a car to make stupidly fast. Hey look I have 840rwhp rwd monster! Hey look my AWD 200rwhp beats you in the 1/8 mile! fack =[

Good luck surviving a wreck in your tin can. And you can clearly see the brake lights and night lights through the black out.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2m5j66r.jpg

Wish people would understand not everyone and their mother buys a car to make stupidly fast. Hey look I have 840rwhp rwd monster! Hey look my AWD 200rwhp beats you in the 1/8 mile! fack =[

Civics and Integras are actually pretty safe cars...

Civics and Integras are actually pretty safe cars...

Maybe if he has a built cage in it, sure. And I wasn't referring to the integra.

Civics have been safe cars for quite some time now... size doesn't mean everything when it comes to how safe a car is. Just because your car weighs 50% more than his (:lol:) doesn't mean it's any safer.

Civics have been safe cars for quite some time now... size doesn't mean everything when it comes to how safe a car is. Just because your car weighs 50% more than his (:lol:) doesn't mean it's any safer.

:bang:

Maybe if he has a built cage in it, sure. And I wasn't referring to the integra.

A cage would make it more unsafe on the street but you obviously know that.

And I used the term "tin can" because in comparison to your 2 ton behemoth, thats what it is.

A cage would make it more unsafe on the street but you obviously know that.

Cages save your life bro. My tin foil cage stopped a telephone pole from going through my roof.

Cages save your life bro. My tin foil cage stopped a telephone pole from going through my roof.

Maybe a roll bar, but a cage with no harness and helmet is asking for it.

f'n noobs with new cars all high and mighty.............

if you cant appreciate a fast, well dont vehicle go post on cardomain...

:nod::nod::nod:

Maybe a roll bar, but a cage with no harness and helmet is asking for it.

I thought most harnesses weren't even street legal.

neither are cages

neither are cages

I will now go slap myself.

Adéu

Civics suck.



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Wish people would understand not everyone and their mother buys a car to make stupidly fast. Hey look I have 840rwhp rwd monster! Hey look my AWD 200rwhp beats you in the 1/8 mile! fack =[

Do you understand what RWHP stands for?

Raw-wheel horsepower, duh...

Do you understand what RWHP stands for?

HAHAHAHAH :bang:

Do you understand what RWHP stands for?

Nope. Do you understand what a typo is?

Seems to be him an Killemall are all about the rwhp

10 pages full of all this good info is more than enough-