Street Racing & Kill Stories - N/A 2011 5.0 vs C6 Z06

Pretty sad the Z06 had to redlight in order to win. Someone was scared! :jest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHmSZxmjxo4&feature=player_embedded

5.0 has no weight reduction past removal of spare, jack, and wheels.

Mods:

Livernois Motorsports 12:1 Pistons
Livernois Motorsports Stage 1 CNC Heads
FRPP Manifold
Stainless Works Headers, Catted Mid-Pipe, and Catback
CAI
4.10 Ring & Pinion
Circle D Stall Converter
Livernois Motorsports 1-Piece Aluminum Driveshaft
Livernois Motorsports Dyno Tune
FRPP Springs & Adjustable Shocks/Struts
Drag Radials/Skinnies

5.0 needs cams bad

I saw this. Someone looked skeered. I like the right lane, too.

thats a pretty big laundry list of mods on that 5.0 any idea what the z06 had done? either way 2 fast cars...

The Z06 was probably lightly modded.

That 5.0 runs good though.

You stole that from the multimedia thread livernois posted! Track kills in here are lame, even though I have posted them myself. :lol: I'm in class now, so I'm not gonna check this until my next class and see how much it blows up...if I don't get too bored.


I really want to see how these damn motors do with cams.

Forgot to mention, I think he was just going for a good r/t considering he just barely hit red (if I am remembering) the slip correctly).

They completely change the flow characteristics of the engine and dont put a cam in it?

So probably a stock/ bolt on Z06 with drag radials against a fully built 5.0 with a stalled auto on slicks and your saying he was scared?

^ :lol: Stang guys will be stang guys.

Lol @ this thread

The car with the lower ET and faster trap speed had to redlight to win?

Based on the trap, there's very little done to that Z06 besides rubber, and it went quicker and faster than a built motor, stalled auto stang on slicks...i wouldn't be bragging.

Were they bracket racing?

They completely change the flow characteristics of the engine and dont put a cam in it?

There aren't any cams out yet for the new 5.0

So probably a stock/ bolt on Z06 with drag radials against a fully built 5.0 with a stalled auto on slicks and your saying he was scared?

You called that fully built? :rotflmao: Raised compression (same cubic inch), stock cams, and stage 1 heads. Wooooooo, crazy built!!!

Based on the trap, there's very little done to that Z06 besides rubber, and it went quicker and faster than a built motor, stalled auto stang on slicks...i wouldn't be bragging.

Why? We are talking a 4 seater basically stock weight MUSTANG 5.0 against a damn 7.0 Z06 that is modded. Pretty damn impressive to me! :nod:



Damn, I forgot this Mustang was crazy built!!! :eek:

i have seen several bone stock z06's with DR's run high 10's and 5.0 mustangs run faster with a smaller mod list than that stang. and yes the mustang is pretty built, the complete motor has been gone through with raised compression, although that is pretty impressive with a stock cam.

Why? We are talking a 4 seater basically stock weight MUSTANG 5.0 against a damn 7.0 Z06 that is modded. Pretty damn impressive to me! :nod:

That stang would need a good amount more mods to run with a C6 Z with a skilled driver. Even being a stalled auto with a converter and all...

This is what a BONE-STOCK C6 Z on Drag-Radials can do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zv5RDzwS4g

Why? We are talking a 4 seater basically stock weight MUSTANG 5.0 against a damn 7.0 Z06 that is modded. Pretty damn impressive to me! :nod:



Damn, I forgot this Mustang was crazy built!!! :eek:

5.0 vs 7.0?

I'm not hearing a domestic guy try to use the hp/L argument, am I? It's a DOHC V8 with 4 valve heads, so it has its advantages.

You say MUSTANG like it's such an underdog, but lets not forget that they started with a car that will run high 11s with slicks/skinnes/tune (but otherwise stock) built a high compression ported head motor for it, stalled/geared it to get out of the hole, and picked up 3 mph.

the stang has 441rwhp, the vette 447 if stock. they are near the same. the stang weighs 3680, the vette 3200ish. if the vette has mods and 450-480 rwhp, come on now.


the vette will win 8 out of ten times. 10 out of ten if modded.

that vettes modded..In real life the chance of seeing a stock Z06 with just DR's running a 10 second pass is like 1 in 1000....They run mid-high 11's on stock rubber and low to mid 11's on drag radials at 123-125 mph...dayum fast car

that vettes modded..In real life the chance of seeing a stock Z06 with just DR's running a 10 second pass is like 1 in 1000....They run mid-high 11's on stock rubber and low to mid 11's on drag radials at 123-125 mph...dayum fast car

It trapped 126...which is a much better indication of how much power it was making than the time.

It's not going much, if any faster on the big end than a stock vette, so it's simple to see that it isn't making much more power, if any.

It was a well driven pass on a stock or near stock car with some decent rubber on it. Let's not make it something it isn't.

The vette was BONE STOCK on DRs

Here's the thread that proves it. See post 16 by the OP, owner and driver of the vette.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z06-discussion/2701504-10s-last-night.html

The vette was BONE STOCK on DRs

Here's the thread that proves it. See post 16 by the OP, owner and driver of the vette.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z06-discussion/2701504-10s-last-night.html

Oh he SAID it was stock? Well there you, go...must be! :eyes:

Did you miss the rest of that thread AND the other? :gtfo:

:rotflmao:
Stopsign, I think we call a thread like this a "hook, line, sinker".

:rotflmao:
Stopsign, I think we call a thread like this a "hook, line, sinker".

I wonder how many pages this will be when I get home from work tonight?

:corn:

i have seen several bone stock z06's with DR's run high 10's and 5.0 mustangs run faster with a smaller mod list than that stang. and yes the mustang is pretty built, the complete motor has been gone through with raised compression, although that is pretty impressive with a stock cam.

Cams should wake our Mustang up a ton.

How much did the cars with less mods that ran faster weigh? I know that other cars that have been 10's N/A have been 600 lbs. lighter than our car. Not to say it wasn't impressive, it was, but our car is in full street trim.

-Rick

Cams should wake our Mustang up a ton.

How much did the cars with less mods that ran faster weigh? I know that other cars that have been 10's N/A have been 600 lbs. lighter than our car. Not to say it wasn't impressive, it was, but our car is in full street trim.

-Rick

I don't think he was trying to take anything away from your shop's car, more so, a jab at the controversy.

Oh he SAID it was stock? Well there you, go...must be! :eyes:



I didnt read the rest of the thread until now.

What should i have learned from it? That a guy who makes money from selling DVDs about drag racing covettes is calling BS when someone gets close to his times? Shocking.

This corvette did NOTHING that hasn't been done by BONE STOCK vettes in the past, so why shouldn't we take the owners word that it's stock?

I don't think he was trying to take anything away from your shop's car, more so, a jab at the controversy.

No problem. I didn't want to come across as taking it the wrong way, I was just curious. :chug:

-Rick

I didnt read the rest of the thread until now.

What should i have learned from it? That a guy who makes money from selling DVDs about drag racing covettes is calling BS when someone gets close to his times? Shocking.

This corvette did NOTHING that hasn't been done by BONE STOCK vettes in the past, so why shouldn't we take the owners word that it's stock?

Ok show me more threads or proof of other C6 Z06's pulling mid 1.5 60' BONE STOCK other than drag radials. I will wait while you go look...

Maybe you should re-read since you didn't learn anything. Check this out BTW http://rhlschool.com/reading.htm

Cams should wake our Mustang up a ton.

How much did the cars with less mods that ran faster weigh? I know that other cars that have been 10's N/A have been 600 lbs. lighter than our car. Not to say it wasn't impressive, it was, but our car is in full street trim.

-Rick

Absolutely it will!! How radical are you going to go with the cams Rick? Are you going to keep it driving almost stock or are you really going to make the GM boys cry more than they already have? :jest:

thats a pretty big laundry list of mods on that 5.0 any idea what the z06 had done? either way 2 fast cars...

That's a laundry list? :confused: IMO, that's only a few mods. It really only has heads, 1pt more compression and bolt ons.

Ok show me more threads or proof of other C6 Z06's pulling mid 1.5 60' BONE STOCK other than drag radials. I will wait while you go look...

Maybe you should re-read since you didn't learn anything. Check this out BTW http://rhlschool.com/reading.htm

Let me break this down for you...

The owner of the car claims it's stock with DRs.

The vette in that vid ran a 1.60 60', which has been done multiple times by stock Z06s with DR's.

The trap speed was 126, which is very realistic for a stock vette.

This means the car did not do ANYTHING that has not been done, repeatedly, by stock Z06s with DRs. Therefore, based on that video, there is absolutely no reason to believe the car isn't what the owner claims it to be.

STOCK w/ DRs.

I'm too lazy to read that thread. Someone fill me with cliff notes. :lol:

edit: in the time it took me to come back to this tab, someone (^^^) broke it down for me. :lol:

I'm too lazy to read that thread. Someone fill me with cliff notes. :lol:

C6 Z06 went a little quicker & faster, but red lit for the loss.

that vettes modded..In real life the chance of seeing a stock Z06 with just DR's running a 10 second pass is like 1 in 1000....They run mid-high 11's on stock rubber and low to mid 11's on drag radials at 123-125 mph...dayum fast car

I always find humor in that you "know" exactly what pretty much any car runs.

So.... His trap is slower, ET is higher and his 60ft is right behind Ranger, yet everyone is calling bullshit? I didn't break the time slip down mark by mark and don't have another to compare it to, but those three numbers seem inline with what's possible. What's the big deal?


As far as the Mustang goes, I'm impressed. It will be interesting to see how it does once a quartet of cams are thrown at it. The engine has been torn into, but it's a far cry from being fully built with it's bolt-ons, ported heads and an extra point of compression. If a stroker crank, over bore, cams and the like were thrown into the mix, then you'd have ammo. As it stands your chamber's empty. This bitch has a lot more left in her. 441rwhp is fuckin' ballin' through!!


On personal note, I wish I had the funds to piece together a cammed LQ/92. :(

So.... His trap is slower, ET is higher and his 60ft is right behind Ranger, yet everyone is calling bullshit? I didn't break the time slip down mark by mark and don't have another to compare it to, but those three numbers seem inline with what's possible. What's the big deal?


As far as the Mustang goes, I'm impressed. It will be interesting to see how it does once a quartet of cams are thrown at it. The engine has been torn into, but it's a far cry from being fully built with it's bolt-ons, ported heads and an extra point of compression. If a stroker crank, over bore, cams and the like were thrown into the mix, then you'd have ammo. As it stands your chamber's empty. This bitch has a lot more left in her. 441rwhp is fuckin' ballin' through!!


On personal note, I wish I had the funds to piece together a cammed LQ/92. :(

Pretty much perfect. :nod:

That's pretty damn awesome!

But considering you can get a lightly used z06 for not all that much more than what a 5.0 optioned the way I would want (nevermind the costs of the mods)...not to mention the cars are worlds apart in what they are.

I'd gladly "settle" for a 5.0 in blue or black though :D

So probably a stock/ bolt on Z06 with drag radials against a fully built 5.0 with a stalled auto on slicks and your saying he was scared?

what he said

That's pretty damn awesome!

But considering you can get a lightly used z06 for not all that much more than what a 5.0 optioned the way I would want (nevermind the costs of the mods)...not to mention the cars are worlds apart in what they are.

I'd gladly "settle" for a 5.0 in blue or black though :D

I'd go with the 5.0, myself. Preferably in white...Maybe when I get older and get fatter I'll step up to a 'Vette. Then I'll get the usual list of mods: bolt-ons, suspension, 22 year old girlfriend, viagra, etc...

That stang would need a good amount more mods to run with a C6 Z with a skilled driver. Even being a stalled auto with a converter and all...

This is what a BONE-STOCK C6 Z on Drag-Radials can do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zv5RDzwS4g
^^^ Evolution did the oil change on that vette :eyes:


A better comparison would have been the same C6Z06 vs. 6 speed 5.0. The modded and stalled 5.0 had the advantage/opportunity to de-thrown the Z06 but came up short.

Put a stalled auto in the C6Z and it'll run solid 10's all day long. :chug:

Nice mustang!!! Im starting to like the new 5.0s more and more.

Would still rather own a C6Z tho. ;)

Pretty sad the Z06 had to redlight in order to win. Someone was scared! :jest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHmSZxmjxo4&feature=player_embedded

5.0 has no weight reduction past removal of spare, jack, and wheels.

Mods:

Livernois Motorsports 12:1 Pistons
Livernois Motorsports Stage 1 CNC Heads
FRPP Manifold
Stainless Works Headers, Catted Mid-Pipe, and Catback
CAI
4.10 Ring & Pinion
Circle D Stall Converter
Livernois Motorsports 1-Piece Aluminum Driveshaft
Livernois Motorsports Dyno Tune
FRPP Springs & Adjustable Shocks/Struts
Drag Radials/Skinnies

5.0 needs cams bad

The mustang is still a shop car that is totally set up for drag racing. Its a built car. I dont think the zo6 owner was hardly scared, he just redlighted like us real racers that actually go to a dragstrip do from time to time. A car built like the livernois car is gonna be a handful at the track. Hey stopsign why dont you find a regular 2011 mustang vs a c6 zo6 and post that video!:nod:

I'd go with the 5.0, myself. Preferably in white...Maybe when I get older and get fatter I'll step up to a 'Vette. Then I'll get the usual list of mods: bolt-ons, suspension, 22 year old girlfriend, viagra, etc...

this made me laugh...lol

You called that fully built? :rotflmao: Raised compression (same cubic inch), stock cams, and stage 1 heads. Wooooooo, crazy built!!!

I can understand that argument if the CR was raised with a thinner head gasket, but c'mon now, call it like it is...he has aftermarket high compression pistons, that is quite a leap in mods from bolt-ons.

If anything you just showed how bad ass C6s are - that is a shitton of mods to still lose :lol:.

Nice vid! Bad ass stang. Its not modded to its full potential by along shot but still modded pretty decently compared to the Vette ( thats even if its modded)!

Stock zo6's can trap 125-126 all day in good weather with a good driver so its not impossible at all to believe that all it had was DR's.

That Stang had 4.10s, DRs, SKINNIES, slight suspension, stall converter heads and bolt ons plus tune!!

Thats much more of a race/ drag application as opposed to a probably stock zo6 with nothing but DR's so of course its going to do good against it!

Throw any gears or bolt on or better yet just tune a STOCK zo6 with no mods and add DRs and its really lights out for that stang.

Its not right to compare a well modded car (not maxed out but modded decently for a drag race) to probably a stock car (based off trap speed) with just DR's. But even with that said the modded stang still trapped less and ET worse!

Make it fair. Compare stock to stock or modded to modded then see what happens! With that said 5.0s are nice and i would own one :) They are impressive for what they are!

My dad on steroids almost beat up your dad. STFU the motor was taken apart enough said. I like the new 5.0 I tried to talk my wife into buying one they are sweet.

not very impressed with that mustang, typical ford product.

Make it fair. Compare stock to stock or modded to modded then see what happens!

WHO GIVES A FUCK! Cars are rarely, if ever, equally modded. It's a stupid argument because of the lack of times it happens. If you wanna talk equal, how about the difference in price?! You could have 2 11 5oh's for a Z06. Or you could spend that extra money and blow the vette away.

EQUAL MODS = :gay: argument.

not very impressed with that mustang, typical ford product.

Typically Mustangs are slower than Camaros, but this one isn't. Guess it isn't so typical.:eyes:

[insert excuses for 5th gen here]

WHO GIVES A FUCK! Cars are rarely, if ever, equally modded. It's a stupid argument because of the lack of times it happens. If you wanna talk equal, how about the difference in price?! You could have 2 11 5oh's for a Z06. Or you could spend that extra money and blow the vette away.

EQUAL MODS = :gay: argument.


Typically Mustangs are slower than Camaros, but this one isn't. Guess it isn't so typical.:eyes:

[insert excuses for 5th gen here]


not exactly equally modded dumb ass! Nobody ever said nothing at all about exactly having the same exact mods! stock vs stock means just that. mods vs mods meaning for example ls1 heads and cam vs ls1 bolt ons and cammed. BOTH are modded but not evenly modded. Thats a race of BOTH cars being modded but the heads and cam car will be quicker with the better setup. That means if the cammed only car lost then its time to mod some more to be faster than the head and cam ls1 which is completely different that comparing a stock car to a modded car! Thats an example of mods vs mods but not exactly equally modded! Modded is modded no matter how many mods or what mods are done to the car but doesnt have to be exactly the same. Thats much different than comparing a modded car ( heads gears etc.) to a stock car.

In this case we compared stock zo6 to a modded stang and it still didnt even matter!

And no idiot you are wrong again! You see how much used zo6's are going for that are in great condition???? MUCHHHHHHH cheaper than you think!! I wont even say ill let you do some research so maybe you can learn a thing or 2!

Even with that being said your argument of you can buy 2 of this and that for the price of one of those is GAY! No matter how much quicker you make a 5.0 mustang than a zo6 its not in the category as a VETTE! You get what you pay for! The zo6 is a bargain for the price compared to other SUPERCARS costing hundreds of thousands more and it does fairly well against in acceleration and handling against them and beats some of them! Different cars built for different things!

I can only imagine how much further this car can be taken. Folks are acting like 441rwhp from a ported head/high compression 5.0 isn't impressive. The cams and displacement are factory. Go dig up some DOHC 4.6 and 5.4 lists and see what it took to manage that sort of power.

The new 5.0 is a massive leap forward over an already impressive and formidable platform. Pull your man thongs out of your uptight asses. Even with a stock piston and maybe thinner gaskets/milling, I imagine the factory shortblock will still support big numbers.

That's what I would like to see. Stock short block, milled/ported heads, cams and the supporting mods. I'm not dismissing the aftermarket pistons because I don't really see a 1 point bump in compression as that big of a deal.

No problem. I didn't want to come across as taking it the wrong way, I was just curious. :chug:

-Rick

When can we expect to see some cams rolling into the market? Do you personally have anything in the works? Past Stage 1 porting, are the OEM head castings leaving a lot more on the table?

You cant compare these two cars stock for stock, they're different classes entirely. It's the definition of apples to oranges.

You cant compare prices used vs prices new, as that's not a fair comparison.

I like the 5.0, and i look forward to seeing what this car does with a decent cam. At this point, i don't think this particular car is that impressive, only because its trap speeds are a few MPH higher than M6 cars with significantly less mods. That said, i'm sure cams will have a significant effect on the car's performance on the big end.

The new 5.0 is a respectable car and runs well. To be running close to a C6Z with more weight shows how good the motor really is. That being said the Z06 was running away from that 5.0 on the back end, 5mph (126mph vs. 121mph) is quite a difference and the Z06 is way better looking than the 5.0.

You cant compare these two cars stock for stock, they're different classes entirely. It's the definition of apples to oranges.

You cant compare prices used vs prices new, as that's not a fair comparison.

I like the 5.0, and i look forward to seeing what this car does with a decent cam. At this point, i don't think this particular car is that impressive, only because its trap speeds are a few MPH higher than M6 cars with significantly less mods. That said, i'm sure cams will have a significant effect on the car's performance on the big end.


Werd.... Comparing anything but track times just doesn't make much sense. It's like harping on and on about how a bolt-on, geared and slicked 2v can run with or beat a C5 on drag radials. Both are potentially low 13/ high 12 second cars, but what's the point of comparing anything but their ETs?

I can also buy a Ram 2500 with a Cummins for much less than a Grand Sport and run on it's heels with a decent list of mods, but that is where the comparison ends.

No one is cross shopping these two cars and saying "Jeepers I just can't decide whether to get me that there Z06 or the new Mustang GT. It's a toss up by golly!!!"

Those cars don't play

You cant compare these two cars stock for stock, they're different classes entirely. It's the definition of apples to oranges.

You cant compare prices used vs prices new, as that's not a fair comparison.

I like the 5.0, and i look forward to seeing what this car does with a decent cam. At this point, i don't think this particular car is that impressive, only because its trap speeds are a few MPH higher than M6 cars with significantly less mods. That said, i'm sure cams will have a significant effect on the car's performance on the big end.

Exactly you said it! You cant compare these cars because they are in entirely different classes and most ppl still seem to compare them like now lol and try to justify how a stang or whatever is better than a Vette etc. Even these car magazines like to compare the stang to the vette from base model to zo6 to 5.0 to shelby's etc.. It is apples to oranges to compare stock to stock but ppl do it all the time. But its the shelby vs the zo6 and 5.0 vs the base vette..

Whats wrong with comparing prices used vs new? Unless you have money to blow or wanting to be the original owner of a car why pay full price for a zo6 when you can get one barely used low miles for almost the same price as a new 5.0?

I agree though when you when you say cams will help this car out alot!

I think that the whole point of the topic is that it is impressive that a new ford motor design can run like that without a power adder with alot less cubes. With that said the new version of the zo6 is a bad mother fucker bone stock period . Enough said lol!

not very impressed with that mustang, typical ford product.

Says he who drives a rattletrap. You act like speed is the only thing on the checklist to evaluate a vehicle. Of course you will come back saying this is a thread about a drag race, but before you throw around ignorant statements like "typical ford product", I could say the same when I see a GM car that has engine knock like a bitch and say "typical GM product". Guys like you are a cancer to the hobby.

The mustang is still a shop car that is totally set up for drag racing. Its a built car

Can you please explain to me why it matters who owns a car, whether it be a "shop" or a regular guy? Are you aware of how many LSx cars here have way more mods that this 5.0? 10's of thousands...literally. This car has some pistons and bolt ons. Wooooo.....it's a "shop car!" :rolleyes: Give me a break. It would have a hell of a lot more done to it if I owned it and I'm just a regular guy like everyone else here. Besides, Rick (driver of the 5.0) is just your average guy like us. He's no pro driver or drag racer by any means...and he'll tell you that...but the car flat out gets it done.

not very impressed with that mustang, typical ford product.

:funny:

BECAUSE YOU FUCKIN IDIOT not exactly equally modded dumb ass! Nobody ever said nothing at all about exactly having the same exact mods! stock vs stock means just that. mods vs mods meaning for example ls1 heads and cam vs ls1 bolt ons and cammed. BOTH are modded but not evenly modded. Thats a race of BOTH cars being modded but the heads and cam car will be quicker with the better setup. That means if the cammed only car lost then its time to mod some more to be faster than the head and cam ls1 which is completely different that comparing a stock car to a modded car! Thats an example of mods vs mods but not exactly equally modded! Modded is modded no matter how many mods or what mods are done to the car but doesnt have to be exactly the same. Thats much different than comparing a modded car ( heads gears etc.) to a stock car.

In this case we compared stock zo6 to a modded stang and it still didnt even matter!

And no idiot you are wrong again! You see how much used zo6's are going for that are in great condition???? MUCHHHHHHH cheaper than you think!! I wont even say ill let you do some research so maybe you can learn a thing or 2!

Even with that being said your argument of you can buy 2 of this and that for the price of one of those is GAY! No matter how much quicker you make a 5.0 mustang than a zo6 its not in the category as a VETTE! You get what you pay for! The zo6 is a bargain for the price compared to other SUPERCARS costing hundreds of thousands more and it does fairly well against in acceleration and handling against them and beats some of them! Different cars built for different things!

Just a suggestion, but you might want to stay out of this thread. Keep it composed or go somewhere else.



In this case we compared stock zo6 to a modded stang and it still didnt even matter!!

Just as a point of fact, the Z06 lost the race.

First off, way to act like a child. Name calling? Ouch, I'm so hurt by the vette boys' words. You must be very defensive of anything Corvette related. Let's tear this post apart, but in a mature manner (you know what mature means, right?)

BECAUSE YOU FUCKIN IDIOT

Damn, you don't waste time getting to the immaturity. Right off the bat, nice!


not exactly equally modded dumb ass! Nobody ever said nothing at all about exactly having the same exact mods!

I will concede that I thought that's what you were getting at...


stock vs stock means just that.


Z06 wasn't stock. Drag radials can significantly help a car out, therefore it's a mod. Not stock. Also according to that thread, the suspect he might be hiding a few extra mods.

mods vs mods meaning for example ls1 heads and cam vs ls1 bolt ons and cammed. BOTH are modded but not evenly modded. Thats a race of BOTH cars being modded but the heads and cam car will be quicker with the better setup. That means if the cammed only car lost then its time to mod some more to be faster than the head and cam ls1 which is completely different that comparing a stock car to a modded car! Thats an example of mods vs mods but not exactly equally modded!

Maybe if your grammatical skills were up to par, you're example may have been a little more impressive.


Modded is modded no matter how many mods or what mods are done to the car but doesnt have to be exactly the same. Thats much different than comparing a modded car ( heads gears etc.) to a stock car

So no matter how many mods, are done it is considered a modded car according to your own statement. This means we can fairly compared the modded stang to the modded Z06. The owner is the CF thread even admits it is a mod.


In this case we compared stock zo6 to a modded stang and it still didnt even matter!

Wrong. See previous statement.


And no idiot you are wrong again!

Back to the name calling...

You see how much used zo6's are going for that are in great condition???? MUCHHHHHHH cheaper than you think!!I wont even say ill let you do some research so maybe you can learn a thing or 2!

Assuming isn't the best idea. Too bad I actually keep an eye on those. I do plan on owning one some day after college afterall. ;)

Even with that being said your argument of you can buy 2 of this and that for the price of one of those is GAY!

This goes back to my "equal" argument, which I have already addressed.

No matter how much quicker you make a 5.0 mustang than a zo6 its not in the category as a VETTE! You get what you pay for!

Not really. For the kind of money a C6Z goes for new, you'd think the seats and overall interior would be a bit nicer. I don't expect Aston Martin or Bentley type quality, but improvements should be there at the price level.

The zo6 is a bargain for the price compared to other SUPERCARS costing hundreds of thousands more and it does fairly well against in acceleration and handling against them and beats some of them!

Thank you for telling me something I already knew and was blatantly obvious. Did you think as a fellow GM owner that I wouldn't know these things? Maybe it's because I'm a lowly f-body owner and aren't as privileged as you to own a :hail:C5.

Different cars built for different things!

Again, thanks for the obvious.


BTW, your sig always cracks me. More specifically the last line, might be the gayest I've seen around here. :)


I don't know where all this unfounded anger comes from, but seriously, chill out. In the end, we are actually on the same side.

Just a suggestion, but you might want to stay out of this thread. Keep it composed or go somewhere else.

yep yep



Just as a point of fact, the Z06 lost the race.

this is true. A lost is a lost. But we clearly see that it did indeed ET worse and trapped lower than zo6.

Lol @ this thread

The car with the lower ET and faster trap speed had to redlight to win?

Based on the trap, there's very little done to that Z06 besides rubber, and it went quicker and faster than a built motor, stalled auto stang on slicks...i wouldn't be bragging.

2 things, 1st one would think if new 5.0 had drag pack on he was about to try to put a whooping on your stock z06 and go post it all over the net. So, he was really jumpy :D

2nd, I work at a drag strip, the fastest car loses more than you would imagine. Who do you think would win between a 1000HP Ford GT super car, or a 300HP on a 150 shot Fox body mustang?

The Ford GT would destroy the mustang, Right?

http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/newbornlamb66/?action=view&current=1016101843-00.mp4

7.19 1/8

I got a ride in the Gentlemans GT and have been waiting to post it :nod: And the next run he ran 6.89

Sorry it is a camra Phone.

Just saying.

Picture/s of the car

http://colephotography.zenfolio.com/p202098553/h15dd856f#h271ad50e

this is true. A lost is a lost. But we clearly see that it did indeed ET worse and trapped lower than zo6.

Agreed. I posted that previously in this thread. It would've been a very close race if the Z06 didn't red light.

First off, way to act like a child. Name calling? Ouch, I'm so hurt by the vette boys' words. You must be very defensive of anything Corvette related. Let's tear this post apart, but in a mature manner (you know what mature means, right?)

Im sorry for for hurting your feelings :devil:

Damn, you don't waste time getting to the immaturity. Right off the bat, nice!

Creativity :)


I will concede that I thought that's what you were getting at...

forgiven :angel:


Z06 wasn't stock. Drag radials can significantly help a car out, therefore it's a mod. Not stock. Also according to that thread, the suspect he might be hiding a few extra mods.

this is true. Not saying it is stock but based on traps it could very well be stock. Nothing out of the ordinary.

Maybe if your grammatical skills were up to par, you're example may have been a little more impressive.

Its called comprehension which you clearly cant do:D

So no matter how many mods, are done it is considered a modded car according to your own statement. This means we can fairly compared the modded stang to the modded Z06. The owner is the CF thread even admits it is a mod.

I will try to understand what you just typed. Example i gave is mod vs mod reread.. Its modded way more then the Vette. Dr's are indeed a mod but its nothing internally or bolt on/ gears. Its very LIGHTLY modded (DR's from what we know) and the stang isnt what you will consider LIGHTLY modded at all. Thats like comparing a bolt on ls1 vs a head and cam ls1. Both are modded but it a drastic difference! Only in this one the more modded on wouldnt have won if the other car didnt red light


Back to the name calling...

i apologize :bang:

Assuming isn't the best idea. Too bad I actually keep an eye on those. I do plan on owning one some day after college afterall. ;)

From your previous statement it sounded like you had no clue.


Not really. For the kind of money a C6Z goes for new, you'd think the seats and overall interior would be a bit nicer. I don't expect Aston Martin or Bentley type quality, but improvements should be there at the price level.

thats nitpicking but ok. Just because "you" have a problem with the seats and interior doesnt mean everybody does! I know ppl that are satisfied with both! Personal opinion..


Thank you for telling me something I already knew and was blatantly obvious. Did you think as a fellow GM owner that I wouldn't know these things? Maybe it's because I'm a lowly f-body owner and aren't as privileged as you to own a :hail:C5.

lol. Thats ok you will have a c6z when you graduate so thats much better than a c5 :nod:

BTW, your sig always cracks me. More specifically the last line, might be the gayest I've seen around here. :)

its gay and it " ALWAYS" cracks you up huh. Well that makes you super gay for keep reading it and getting hurt in the but everytime you read it lol

I don't know where all this unfounded anger comes from, but seriously, chill out. In the end, we are actually on the same side.

Im not mad man. Just bs-ing around chilling sipping on beer and on xbox live.

We are on on the same side and thats cool. I have no problems with any cars as i like anything thats fast :)

Read above all my answers to your questions are in red

:corn: There are so many GM idiots in here.

I really don't feel like taking that one apart too, so suffice it to say I have disagreements with plenty in that post. My reading comprehension skills are certainly up to par, and you contradicted yourself a few times but I'm done with this, because I don't feel like going back and forth all night. Just going to enjoy my beer and the baseball game. :cheers:


Back to the 5.slow bashing everyone...

I really don't feel like taking that one apart too, so suffice it to say I have disagreements with plenty in that post. My reading comprehension skills are certainly up to par, and you contradicted yourself a few times but I'm done with this, because I don't feel like going back and forth all night. Just going to enjoy my beer and the baseball game. :cheers:


Back to the 5.slow bashing everyone...

I admit i did contradict myself when i stated at 1st that the zo6 was bone stock then i said it wasnt because it had DRs. I meant stock internally and with no bolt ons from what we know but my fault for not stating that.

Yep watching it to. Looking bad for Philly...

Now these 5.0 boys are going to get you for calling it slow.. lol

Well, that's not what I meant but whatever. It's over now.


Most of the 5oh guys know I am not blindly brand loyal to GM, so I can freely poke fun at those turds. I'd rock one if I had the $$.

Liar. You swing on GM's nuts all the time. My buddy has a 91 GT with a 200 shot that would put busses on your Slomaro! Just let me know when you're ready, Chevy boy!!!!!!111one!

Typically Mustangs are slower than Camaros, but this one isn't. Guess it isn't so typical.:eyes:

[insert excuses for 5th gen here]

looks like the engine already needed to be rebuilt so they put forged pistons in, typical ford product.

Says he who drives a rattletrap. You act like speed is the only thing on the checklist to evaluate a vehicle. Of course you will come back saying this is a thread about a drag race, but before you throw around ignorant statements like "typical ford product", I could say the same when I see a GM car that has engine knock like a bitch and say "typical GM product". Guys like you are a cancer to the hobby.

you make a lot of assertions that you have nothing to stand on




:funny:

one of the few with a sense of humor in here.

:corn: There are so many GM idiots in here.

oh the irony :devil:

:corn: There are so many GM idiots in here.

The Ford idiots are gaining in numbers. How you been man? :chug:

The Ford idiots are gaining in numbers. How you been man? :chug:

Up and down man, up and down. Right now though there is only one way to go, and thats up. So I guess that is a plus! :D

(I'm ignoring the first person to say I'm talking about buying a GM)

Up and down man, up and down. Right now though there is only one way to go, and thats up. So I guess that is a plus! :D

(I'm ignoring the first person to say I'm talking about buying a GM)

Besides a Vette what GM would you want? I can't think of any new ones I'd want except a CTS-V, a Vette or a modded 5th gen.

Edit: Where the hell is the multi quote king?

I just got to say one thing the 5.0 is a 12.1 motor a lot of timing and u have to but race gas in it ford has never showed me that much on motor though got to have help to run

I just got to say one thing the 5.0 is a 12.1 motor a lot of timing and u have to but race gas in it ford has never showed me that much on motor though got to have help to run

Can you say that again, in English?

someones had one to many beers

Can you please explain to me why it matters who owns a car, whether it be a "shop" or a regular guy? Are you aware of how many LSx cars here have way more mods that this 5.0? 10's of thousands...literally. This car has some pistons and bolt ons. Wooooo.....it's a "shop car!" :rolleyes: Give me a break. It would have a hell of a lot more done to it if I owned it and I'm just a regular guy like everyone else here. Besides, Rick (driver of the 5.0) is just your average guy like us. He's no pro driver or drag racer by any means...and he'll tell you that...but the car flat out gets it done.



:funny:

It doesnt matter who owns it but it is a shop car. The car wasnt purchased to be somebodys daily driver, or a summer driver. It will be built to the max and then will probabally be sold afterward. Wasnt this car in a tuner shootout with muscle mustangs and fast fords car? I dont have a problem with what has been done to the car and it does haul ass, but it has lot done to it and its not like its a bone stock 2011 5.0.

It doesnt matter who owns it but it is a shop car. The car wasnt purchased to be somebodys daily driver, or a summer driver. It will be built to the max and then will probabally be sold afterward. Wasnt this car in a tuner shootout with muscle mustangs and fast fords car? I dont have a problem with what has been done to the car and it does haul ass, but it has lot done to it and its not like its a bone stock 2011 5.0.

That car doesn't have a lot done to it. Those are pretty basic mods and anyone could duplicate them with minimal expense. That it belongs to a shop doesn't matter it just shows people what that shop can do with the car. If you think that the car has a lot done and their is a heap of money in it I can assure you that you haven't had a fast car.

Agreed. I posted that previously in this thread. It would've been a very close race if the Z06 didn't red light.Exactly so some people are mad because the Stang took out your super hero?:D j/k it would have been close.

Stopsign come on man I am sure you are a decent car guy, why do you have to go and do this, lol.

That Z06 is probably tire only they are mid 11's to low 11's stock, so exhaust and tune could get you there, I know one with cam only doing low 10's a sponsor on here too and it is a setup for road course. The vette had a lower ET and better MPH for a stick car that is impressive versus a built 5.0, it you have changed any of the bottom end it is not "stock" it is a built motor. Good race but why did that 5.0 run slow? didn't some guy run that with a 100 shot on a S197 built rear and control arms and a few other suspension items?

Stopsign come on man I am sure you are a decent car guy, why do you have to go and do this, lol.

That Z06 is probably tire only they are mid 11's to low 11's stock, so exhaust and tune could get you there, I know one with cam only doing low 10's a sponsor on here too and it is a setup for road course. The vette had a lower ET and better MPH for a stick car that is impressive versus a built 5.0, it you have changed any of the bottom end it is not "stock" it is a built motor. Good race but why did that 5.0 run slow? didn't some guy run that with a 100 shot on a S197 built rear and control arms and a few other suspension items?Built motor doesn't make the car faster it just means you can add a shit load of nitrous or boost and really haul ass.It has ported heads and a tune with bolt ons vs. a 6.0 with what ever mods it has . So what is the argument about . Wouldn't you say the new new 5.0 is the pac man of the auto world? Champion in what ls1, ls2 and ls3 weight class lol! lol! just talking shit but the 5.0 is a force to be recon d with like it or not. And this just the first Year.

Z06 is a 7 liter Kenny.

Z06 is a 7 liter Kenny.Oh damn i stand corrected and the ls7 class lol!

Stopsign come on man I am sure you are a decent car guy, why do you have to go and do this, lol.

That Z06 is probably tire only they are mid 11's to low 11's stock, so exhaust and tune could get you there, I know one with cam only doing low 10's a sponsor on here too and it is a setup for road course. The vette had a lower ET and better MPH for a stick car that is impressive versus a built 5.0, it you have changed any of the bottom end it is not "stock" it is a built motor. Good race but why did that 5.0 run slow? didn't some guy run that with a 100 shot on a S197 built rear and control arms and a few other suspension items?For your information the 3v and the new 5.0 have a 31 spline from the factory.The new 5.0 runs that on motor. And again a built motor alone does not make the car any faster.

i think every mustang owner on ls1tech has chimed in on this thread bc of the title lmao jk

For your information the 3v and the new 5.0 have a 31 spline from the factory.The new 5.0 runs that on motor. And again a built motor alone does not make the car any faster.

who cares.... its built

who cares.... its builtOmg! :confused:

5 pages? As I said before, hook, line, and sinker.

Omg! :confused:
i was only jk:punch:

Built motor doesn't make the car faster it just means you can add a shit load of nitrous or boost and really haul ass.It has ported heads and a tune with bolt ons vs. a 6.0 with what ever mods it has . So what is the argument about . Wouldn't you say the new new 5.0 is the pac man of the auto world? Champion in what ls1, ls2 and ls3 weight class lol! lol! just talking shit but the 5.0 is a force to be recon d with like it or not. And this just the first Year.

Umm upped compression too, that does add horsepower last I checked regardless of GM or Ford please check the OP again "Livernois Motorsports 12:1 Pistons" unless the 5.0 comes with 12.0:1 pistons, nope. No it is not the "pacman" of the auto world are you on drugs? my 2:73 geared auto on street tires ran a mid 13's, that's what the auto 5.0 runs. so what is done to this car sounds about right. I am not a GM nutswinger by any means one of my favorite cars was my 88 tbird turbo coupe, but the fact of the matter is the OP made this thread to cause controversy, I know that's not right, even if the vette had not red light he would have won if his RT was good.

Umm upped compression too, that does add horsepower last I checked regardless of GM or Ford please check the OP again "Livernois Motorsports 12:1 Pistons" unless the 5.0 comes with 12.0:1 pistons, nope. No it is not the "pacman" of the auto world are you on drugs? my 2:73 geared auto on street tires ran a mid 13's, that's what the auto 5.0 runs. so what is done to this car sounds about right. I am not a GM nutswinger by any means one of my favorite cars was my 88 tbird turbo coupe, but the fact of the matter is the OP made this thread to cause controversy, I know that's not right, even if the vette had not red light he would have won if his RT was good.The new 5.0 runs on a vct system so 1 point from 11:1 on the combustion doesn't mean shit. And the auto 5.0 depending on options has gone 12.90 or better on several ocassions bone stock.So the Stang had a better 60 ft and obviously is the better driver would have had a more than decent chance of winning.The Vette had a negative reaction time. To put it in simple terms he red lighted. But no I say no to drugs, but I do like Bud Light.:D Thank you for asking btw! I was being very sarcastic on the Pac Man comment I take that back lol. Like I said the Z06 is a bad Mf bone stock i never denied that.

The new 5.0 runs on a vct system so 1 point from 11:1 on the combustion doesn't mean shit. And the auto 5.0 depending on options has gone 12.90 or better on several ocassions bone stock.So the Stang had a better 60 ft and obviously is the better driver would have had a more than decent chance of winning.The Vette had a negative reaction time. To put it in simple terms he red lighted. But no I say no to drugs, but I do like Bud Light.:D Thank you for asking btw! I was being very sarcastic on the Pac Man comment I take that back lol.

Bud light it is then when would you like to share a 12 pack and we can sit and watch all the 5.0 people actually run decent times?


Ok so stock LS1'shave gone 12.90 or better on several occasions, does not mean it is the rule. I know what a red light is, but even still the times were so close unless the 5.0 had a 1.4 60' and the Z06 had a 1.9 60' I think the race would have been even if not the vette would have won. I think the world of Ford's 5.0 motors they are pretty stout pieces of engineering but the LS7 is pretty solid.

Just for the sake of entertainment, I watched the video again and both red light so the vette got the move on the mustang which is equal to one car. Vette stayed one car out the whole time ad trapped 5 more mph than the mustang. That was a solid race would have been dead even had both left at the same time, the vette although did not replace any parts in the bottom part of the motor.

Bud light it is then when would you like to share a 12 pack and we can sit and watch all the 5.0 people actually run decent times?


Ok so stock LS1'shave gone 12.90 or better on several occasions, does not mean it is the rule. I know what a red light is, but even still the times were so close unless the 5.0 had a 1.4 60' and the Z06 had a 1.9 60' I think the race would have been even if not the vette would have won. I think the world of Ford's 5.0 motors they are pretty stout pieces of engineering but the LS7 is pretty solid.I don't know where Monrovia is but thats a deal.:cheers: I respect your opinion and yes it could have went either way. But if they would have left together the Zo6 would have been looking at tail lights jmo!. But hey to each is own. The ls7 is a bad boy no doubt about it.

Pretty sad that stop has to troll around LS1tech since no one pays attention to him on the svtp forums. :lol: I still to this day haven't seen a vid of any kills of stops super fast 331

I don't know where Monrovia is but thats a deal.:cheers: I respect your opinion and yes it could have went either way. But if they would have left together the Zo6 would have been looking at tail lights jmo!. But hey to each is own. The ls7 is a bad boy no doubt about it.

Monrovia is in Southern Califuckyou. Can you tell i don't much care for it here lol.

I posted because I know the OP respects fast cars but on this one I had to say he was looking to incite some emotion around here lol. I honestly did not see the 5.0 make up enough space to account for him being a full car ahead of the vette one a solid 1:1 launch. Yes opinions to opinion, and opinions are like assholes everyone has one and they all stink.

That car doesn't have a lot done to it. Those are pretty basic mods and anyone could duplicate them with minimal expense. That it belongs to a shop doesn't matter it just shows people what that shop can do with the car. If you think that the car has a lot done and their is a heap of money in it I can assure you that you haven't had a fast car.

You dont know what I have so keep your assumptions about me to yourself! Anybody with a fat wallet can dupilcate what they did to the 5.0, but it is still a shop car. How many regular folks have access to their own dyno, how about having unlimited funds for mods and dont have to worry about voiding warranty's and still have to make car payments.

It's a full-weight car with ~75rwhp more than stock running 10s... quit bitching.

It's a full-weight car with ~75rwhp more than stock running 10s... quit bitching.

I am just curious as to which car you are referring to, I am going to guess the Z06, but just making sure.

The new 5.0 is impressive !!!!
But ego's mess up threads before they are even posted.

The new 5.0 is impressive !!!!
But ego's mess up threads before they are even posted.

LOL this is a great first post.


Ego's don't mess up threads people with Ego's do. this works either way, Ford, Chevy, or Mopar. Heck even these days, Toyota, Honda, Nissan if you meet the right one lol.

I have no ego. I have an LT1 :turd:

my 2:73 geared auto on street tires ran a mid 13's, that's what the auto 5.0 runs. so what is done to this car sounds about right.

You should do a little more research if you think an auto 5.0 runs mid 13's. So, you're saying that it "sounds about right" for a car to have
minor bolt ons and 1 point more compression to run 10.90's at 3,680lbs with only about 450rwhp? You might want to re-think that a little bit.
That's extremely impressive.

You should do a little more research if you think an auto 5.0 runs mid 13's. So, you're saying that it "sounds about right" for a car to have
minor bolt ons and 1 point more compression to run 10.90's at 3,680lbs with only about 450rwhp? You might want to re-think that a little bit.
That's extremely impressive.

I think when you go 1 point more compression your going beyond minor bolt-ons. HHHMMMM the truth will slowly start coming out how they got that car to 10.9.... At first in was minor bolt-ons. I know of a 03-04 600rwhp whippled cobra around here that will bearly scratch the 10's.

You should do a little more research if you think an auto 5.0 runs mid 13's. So, you're saying that it "sounds about right" for a car to have
minor bolt ons and 1 point more compression to run 10.90's at 3,680lbs with only about 450rwhp? You might want to re-think that a little bit.
That's extremely impressive.

What people aren't realizing is that just because the piston is 1 point higher in compression, it might not add that much. For instance, head work can lower compression. Also, I'm not familiar with these pistons, but some pistons aren't actually what they're advertised. My pistons are advertised at 10:1, but are actually 9.7:1, and with head work I'm down to around 9.5:1.

I think when you go 1 point more compression your going beyond minor bolt-ons.

You need to read my post again. I said minor bolt ons and 1pt more compression.
I didn't include pistons as a minor bolt on.


HHHMMMM the truth will slowly start coming out how they got that car to 10.9.... At first in was minor bolt-ons.

First of all, you can knock that shit off right now. I know these guys personally and the car is exactly what they say it is. Period. Don't question their integrity.


I know of a 03-04 600rwhp whippled cobra around here that will bearly scratch the 10's.

Great. Since we're on an irrelevant topic, I have one in my garage that is much quicker than that.

You need to read my post again. I said minor bolt ons and 1pt more compression.
I didn't include pistons as a minor bolt on.



First of all, you can knock that shit off right now. I know these guys personally and the car is exactly what they say it is. Period. Don't question their integrity.



Great. Since we're on an irrelevant topic, I have one in my garage that is much quicker than that.

The full mod list is:

Livernois Motorsports 12:1 Pistons
Livernois Motorsports Stage 1 CNC Heads
FRPP Manifold
Stainless Works Headers, Catted Mid-Pipe, and Catback
CAI
4.10 Ring & Pinion
Circle D Stall Converter
Livernois Motorsports 1-Piece Aluminum Driveshaft
Livernois Motorsports Dyno Tune
FRPP Springs & Adjustable Shocks/Struts
Drag Radials/Skinnies

The car ran 13.1 bone stock, 12.7 with just a tune and 11.6 with nomal bolt-on's. See the write-up here (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/tab.phtml?gk=695&t=News)

I personally drive this car all the time and have over 120 track passes in it. It drives like a stock car and sounds like a stock car with exhaust. Besides the pistons, all of the mods are something that a normal Mustang owner would do.

-Rick

Pretty sad that stop has to troll around LS1tech since no one pays attention to him on the svtp forums. :lol: I still to this day haven't seen a vid of any kills of stops super fast 331

Car is faster than your pile of shit, what else matters?

The full mod list is:

Livernois Motorsports 12:1 Pistons
Livernois Motorsports Stage 1 CNC Heads
FRPP Manifold
Stainless Works Headers, Catted Mid-Pipe, and Catback
CAI
4.10 Ring & Pinion
Circle D Stall Converter
Livernois Motorsports 1-Piece Aluminum Driveshaft
Livernois Motorsports Dyno Tune
FRPP Springs & Adjustable Shocks/Struts
Drag Radials/Skinnies

The car ran 13.1 bone stock, 12.7 with just a tune and 11.6 with nomal bolt-on's. See the write-up here (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/tab.phtml?gk=695&t=News)

I personally drive this car all the time and have over 120 track passes in it. It drives like a stock car and sounds like a stock car with exhaust. Besides the pistons, all of the mods are something that a normal Mustang owner would do.

-Rick

What gas was is done on?

You need to read my post again. I said minor bolt ons and 1pt more compression.
I didn't include pistons as a minor bolt on.



First of all, you can knock that shit off right now. I know these guys personally and the car is exactly what they say it is. Period. Don't question their integrity.



Great. Since we're on an irrelevant topic, I have one in my garage that is much quicker than that.

I was reading your post.. When that vid came out the mods were a little downplayed. That's the way it seemed to me and a few others. I don't know those guys, and I'm sure I'm not the first to read extravigant claims and question it. Don't let being a mod go to your head. This went from being minor bolt-on with pistons and now I see it has cnc'd stage 1 heads too....hmmm What cams? or do they come with the stage 1 heads? At this point it can't even be a stock bottom end car. It's basically a built motor. It's fast but not as overly simple as you made it seem.

Car is faster than your pile of shit, what else matters?

You are such a tool it is unreal. I can just see you in your mom’s basement now with your hot wheels. All you want is people to think your soooo cooool but at the end of the day you are just a sorry little man.

The 5.0 in this thread is sweet, it is a purpose built car and I’m sure in the future it will see 9s no problem. Congrats to you who built it I wish you the best of luck. It’s tools like Stopsign that makes it an issue. I think the car is sweet but it is set up to drag race.

It's nice to see a basic N/A setup in the 10s at full weight, and i'm not trying to discredit that.

What bothers me about the whole thing is that these mods only brought the trap speed up by 2.8mph:

Livernois Motorsports 12:1 Pistons
Livernois Motorsports Stage 1 CNC Heads
FRPP Manifold
Circle D Stall Converter

I would love to know what the car would have run with the converter and intake mani, but the internal engine left alone. It just doesn't seem like the bump in compression and port work did a whole lot.

I am just curious as to which car you are referring to, I am going to guess the Z06, but just making sure.
I'm talking about the 5.0.
I was reading your post.. When that vid came out the mods were a little downplayed. That's the way it seemed to me and a few others. I don't know those guys, and I'm sure I'm not the first to read extravigant claims and question it. Don't let being a mod go to your head. This went from being minor bolt-on with pistons and now I see it has cnc'd stage 1 heads too....hmmm What cams? or do they come with the stage 1 heads? At this point it can't even be a stock bottom end car. It's basically a built motor. It's fast but not as overly simple as you made it seem.

The mods are in the first post... wtf are you talking about? And if you read, there are NO CAMS OUT for the 5.0.

It's nice to see a basic N/A setup in the 10s at full weight, and i'm not trying to discredit that.

What bothers me about the whole thing is that these mods only brought the trap speed up by 2.8mph:

Livernois Motorsports 12:1 Pistons
Livernois Motorsports Stage 1 CNC Heads
FRPP Manifold
Circle D Stall Converter

I would love to know what the car would have run with the converter and intake mani, but the internal engine left alone. It just doesn't seem like the bump in compression and port work did a whole lot.

2.8 mph? It went 116 before and a best of 123 with these mods. I don't think the compression and heads did much with stock cams, but there are no cams for these cars yet. We did everything at once because we were invited to an invite only event and wanted to make sure we had it covered.

-Rick

What gas was it running?

What gas was it running?

Mix of 93 and 100 octane.

-Rick

Mix of 93 and 100 octane.

-Rick

Now you've done it! They are going to call it a race car now.

Now you've done it! They are going to call it a race car now.

It's a precautionary measure since compression is 12:1. Doesn't everyone run a little racegas mixed with 93? I know I do (110). :D

It's a precautionary measure since compression is 12:1. Doesn't everyone run a little racegas mixed with 93? I know I do (110). :D

Same here (not in the 5.0 though). I'm still trying to find a cologne that smells like 110.

2.8 mph? It went 116 before and a best of 123 with these mods. I don't think the compression and heads did much with stock cams, but there are no cams for these cars yet. We did everything at once because we were invited to an invite only event and wanted to make sure we had it covered.

-Rick

Fair enough, like i said i wasn't trying to discredit this at all.

According to your website, it went 11.6 @ 118.8 without the mods i listed.

It went 121.6 in the video in this thread.

121.6-118.8 = 2.8mph.

I wasn't aware that it went a few mph faster than that.

Now you've done it! They are going to call it a race car now.

Once you roll race gas in it, it is a race car. Not so impressive anymore. I'm not trying to start a shit fight here but it was posted on here to impress us ls folks and it ended up being a built motor on a mix of race gas. ...and it runs the same traps as my stock replacement ls6 crate engine. I have a road race setup. For a comparison sake it's seeming less impressive all the time. I know there are lots of head/cam ls that wont run that, but this car is in the hands of a reputable shop with time and money instead of a backyard mechanic. I'm just trying to figure out how good this 5.0 thing really is.

Once you roll race gas in it, it is a race car. Not so impressive anymore. I'm not trying to start a shit fight here but it was posted on here to impress us ls folks and it ended up being a built motor on a mix of race gas. ...and it runs the same traps as my stock replacement ls6 crate engine. I have a road race setup. For a comparison sake it's seeming less impressive all the time. I know there are lots of head/cam ls that wont run that, but this car is in the hands of a reputable shop with time and money instead of a backyard mechanic. I'm just trying to figure out how good this 5.0 thing really is.

Told you :rotflmao:

Guys, let's be serious. It is far from a built motor but it definitely isn't a bolt on car. It is somewhere in the middle. If you were running 12:1 comp, wouldn't you be running race gas? You'd be stupid not to. Big deal. A built motor would be a forged crank (maybe stroker), rods, cams pistons, compelte valve job and bigger head porting than a stage 1. When cams come out for this thing, I garuntee there will be a couple of guys hittin 9.99's or lower N/A. Might have to ditch some weight with a big converter but that's far from an unattainable goal possible. High-Mid 10s will be common place for stalled/cammed autos, just give it time. 6 speed guys have to know how to drive.

We haven't even seen what cams will do for this motor, or if any stroker kits will follow, or a lot of other things for this car. Cam only LS1 f-body's weren't running 10s back in 98 like they are now. All we GM guys can pray for is that we aren't playing catch up for long.


Some guys will never be impressed by this car, just because it wears a Blue Oval. It's a damn shame too, cause this things pretty cool, and pretty fast.

5.0's are definitely slow. Shit here's one running a 14 at my local track (site of the LSX Shootout) :lol: Got it off my friend's youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wo-2szvBTE

.......with a mid 13 after that too!















Ok that was sarcasm as it was probably the guy's first time out in the car but I just wanted to throw fuel on the fire.:devil:

I want it to run good. I'm just tryin to keep it real. I'm not gonna pay $7+ a gallon for gas to make a car faster and then tell ya how much of a street car it is.

Its not a street car because it needs some race fuel. :eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

I'm sure it would run just as good (better maybe?) if they converted the fuel system and ran E85... that's pump gas. But that's not the route that was chosen.

Say it with me one time..... race fuel......race car.... do you see the similarity....duh..

E85 is'ntt readily available pump around here or in many parts of the country. I wish it was. Although my setup probably couldn't take advantage of it.

You can run race gas in anything. And you can race anything. Does that make it a "race car?" And there are a half-dozen or more gas stations within 10 miles of me that have E85. It's not widely-available everywhere, but it's not exactly rare.

Say it with me one time..... race fuel......race car.... do you see the similarity....duh..

Did you learn that on Sesame Street?

Again... say it with me guys.... all at once now race gas.....race car. Maybe u should watch sesame street so u can learn to add it up for yourself

I put my leftover race gas from my ATV in my lawnmover....does that mean my lawnmover can compete at the next 10.5 shootout?

What about the turbo cars that make 1000rwhp on pump gas. By your definition they are street cars even though they don't have ac/ps,pw,cats, etc.. lol.

Did you learn that on Sesame Street?

I put my leftover race gas from my ATV in my lawnmover....does that mean my lawnmover can compete at the next 10.5 shootout?

What about the turbo cars that make 1000rwhp on pump gas. By your definition they are street cars even though they don't have ac/ps,pw,cats, etc.. lol.

:lol::lol::lol:


Again... say it with me guys.... all at once now race gas.....race car. Maybe u should watch sesame street so u can learn to add it up for yourself

Seriously, it's a dumb argument. They didn't even run it on completely on race gas. I know guys who have thrown race gas in 12 & even 13 second cars, just because it was left overs and was readily available for some fun. Does that make them race cars?

Once you roll race gas in it, it is a race car.

Let me get this straight, you're telling me that I have a race car because I run 3 gallons of race gas with 10 gallons of 93? 100% stock long block, 100% stock transmission, stock manifolds, full interior, 17" wheels all the way around, zero safety equipment, etc.

Racecar. Now that's funny. :D

Race gas will slow Ur lawnmower and make run hot dumby. I've seen 12-13 sec cars slowdown on race gas but at 12to 1 I'm sure this car picked up enough to make it run 10's and seem impressive. on pump it probably ran 11.2-11.3 @ 118-119 maybe. that don't sound so hot for a built engine now does it. atleast not hot enough for most built engined drag setup guys. it shows lack of ingenuity to me needing race gas to go very high 10's with a modern v8

I know guys who have thrown race gas in 12 & even 13 second cars, just because it was left overs and was readily available for some fun. Does that make them race cars?

There is a difference between running leftover race gas for fun...and buying some because of your compression ratio (even if it would have ran the same with 93).

Not trying to discredit the car - it is pretty quick for being stock cams...but it is not the simple bolt-on car some people may have thought.

Badass ride nonetheless.

Race gas will slow Ur lawnmower and make run hot dumby. I've seen 12-13 sec cars slowdown on race gas but at 12to 1 I'm sure this car picked up enough to make it run 10's and seem impressive. on pump it probably ran 11.2-11.3 @ 118-119 maybe. that don't sound so hot for a built engine now does it. atleast not hot enough for most built engined drag setup guys. it shows lack of ingenuity to me needing race gas to go very high 10's with a modern v8

You think a few gallons of 100 octane made this car run 10's? :jest: You're claiming that it picked up 3-4 tenths because of a few gallons of 100 octane race gas mixed in with 93?
Wow.

Race gas will slow Ur lawnmower and make run hot dumby.

Hmmm.

Race gas will slow Ur lawnmower and make run hot dumby. I've seen 12-13 sec cars slowdown on race gas but at 12to 1 I'm sure this car picked up enough to make it run 10's and seem impressive. on pump it probably ran 11.2-11.3 @ 118-119 maybe. that don't sound so hot for a built engine now does it. atleast not hot enough for most built engined drag setup guys. it shows lack of ingenuity to me needing race gas to go very high 10's with a modern v8

He prob. just ran a mix of 100 bc of the slight increase in compression. It was just precaution, really wouldnt make that much of a difference.

As for "lack of ingenuity"....please....the shop put a N/A 5.0 in the 10s with minimal mods. I think they are smarter than you.

He prob. just ran a mix of 100 bc of the slight increase in compression. It was just precaution, really wouldnt make that much of a difference.

As for "lack of ingenuity"....please....the shop put a N/A 5.0 in the 10s with minimal mods. I think they are smarter than you.

They also have the fastest Extreme 10.5 car in the entire world. Methinks they know WTF they are doing. You're correct...no one wants to blow up an engine...so
they splash a few gallons of 100 octane race gas in the tank to combat the 1pt compression increase. I bet that 1pt compression increase is worth about 20hp.
Whoopty do! Racecar! :rolleyes: :lol:

How can some ppl act like the 5.0 is basically stock when it has those mods, hell a stall alone in my car helped .6tenths and that mustang has a good bit more than that.

I don't think anybody said it was "basically stock." It has full bolt-ons, suspension, ported heads, FRPP intake manifold, and 1pt higher compression. But for a $30k car to run 10s with those modifications is impressive.

Miss read it a little bit but one person did say its really only heads and bolt ons and forgot to mention gears/stall those are both pretty good sized things to just overlook

Miss read it a little bit but one person did say its really only heads and bolt ons and forgot to mention gears/stall those are both pretty good sized things to just overlook

A stall and gears are minor. Hell, the first mod to an A4 LS1 is a stall converter...everyone knows that. :nod:

How can some ppl act like the 5.0 is basically stock when it has those mods, hell a stall alone in my car helped .6tenths and that mustang has a good bit more than that.

Where did anyone say it was "basically stock"? You crack me up sometimes.

I'm not here to argue and listed everything done to the car. There is nothing to hide. I think that it's impressive that it went high 10's N/A at full weight. It's still 302CI and it does have stock cams.

I say it is a street car, because the thousands of miles on it have been put on on the street and the track and the only time it has seen a trailer was going to NJ.

I say this is a street car too. 1006 RWHP / 916 RWTQ and ran 9.93 on 20's all over the track, letting off early.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg324/LivernoisMotorsports/GT1000R/DSC_1663.jpg

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg324/LivernoisMotorsports/GT1000R/1006hp.jpg

This one is also a street car and has been 9.70 @ 148 mph, with a bone stock clutch and trans leaving like a sissy!

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg324/LivernoisMotorsports/IMG_5651-2.jpg

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDn13O4qX6w)

and yes... they both mix pump gas and race gas.

-Rick

Good post Rick...and good place to end this one.