Gen 5 Camaro Tuning, Diagnostics, Dyno results - V6 Tunes

I am purchasing a stripped v6 manual trans 2011 car, Mainly because i want a street legal vin so I can build a camaro how i want it. Does anyone want to use my car as a test bed?

We cracked these PCMs a while back, problem is, there are no gains to be had tuning the stock applications, seems GM did their homework.

We may release support for them as a custom tuning only option, but there wont be canned performance tunes for the PCM.

What about a 93 octane tune etc?

I dont think you are following me, there are no gains to be had from tuning the stock application, so, no, there will not be any 93 or any different octane tunes.

So add headers and exhaust, no gains to be had? Delete cats? Add nitrous? change camshaft? I find this hard to believe....

Are you able to read and understand what he is saying? He means on a stock car there is no gain.

Diablosport MAINLY offers the stock car calibrations. IF there is no gain to be had, then that means you cannot just get a U7194 and it will work for a stock car. It means in order for it to work, you will have to get one of those and ask for a custom tune from Diablo.

THAT is what he means.

BTW, what performance gains are you looking for by JUST deleting cats? If you think there is a gain to be had there, you are wrong. I can see it for a high HP turbo car or something, but otherwise there should be NO reason to take cats off a street drive vehicle. It its personal preference, that is fine, but dont try to put it under the heading of "Its a stock emissions part so it sucks".

And on a 2010+ V6 Camaro, its "change CAMS!" as in 4.

Also FWIW, a "stripped 2011 V6 camaro" cannot be purchased from GM. You are looking in the wrong place for ease of tuning/building, and all of the systems working together.

I find it hard to believe there is nothing to be gained.

I want to do a cat delete and muffler replacement so you can actually hear the thing. If any one has driven a v6 new camaro you would understand what i mean. And since the cats are the part of the exhaust that knocks most of the sound out of the car, that is why I want to delete them. Plus after seeing a stock V8 exhaust. Does the V6 have 4 as well? IF the thing runs as good as you say it does then it shouldnt need cats anyhow..

And I am glad you said "cams" but you obviously missed the point.

Since I have a feeling GM will be going to direct injection on the v8's does that mean the factory tune will be perfect?

And yes you can buy a stripped camaro. I already have discussed ordering one, which i plan to do at the first of the year. no sun roof no useless center console gauges as basic of a car i could get. v6 6 speed toyota trans. I even joked with the guy wishing i could get manual windows.

As John mentioned, I'm saying that no amount of tuning on a stock V6 Camaro will yield any gains in HP/TQ. We made hundreds of pulls on the dyno (FWIW, I thought it sounded awesome at 6000+ RPM on the dyno) changing any and everything in the name of increasing power, and got nothing in return.

Will a V6 Camaro that has ported heads and longtubes need custom tuning, YES.
Do we plan to offer that in the future, YES.
Will there be out of the box canned tunes as we have done for every other vehicle we have ever supported, NO.

Thanks

I find it hard to believe there is nothing to be gained.

I want to do a cat delete and muffler replacement so you can actually hear the thing. If any one has driven a v6 new camaro you would understand what i mean. And since the cats are the part of the exhaust that knocks most of the sound out of the car, that is why I want to delete them. Plus after seeing a stock V8 exhaust. Does the V6 have 4 as well? IF the thing runs as good as you say it does then it shouldnt need cats anyhow..

And I am glad you said "cams" but you obviously missed the point.

Since I have a feeling GM will be going to direct injection on the v8's does that mean the factory tune will be perfect?

And yes you can buy a stripped camaro. I already have discussed ordering one, which i plan to do at the first of the year. no sun roof no useless center console gauges as basic of a car i could get. v6 6 speed toyota trans. I even joked with the guy wishing i could get manual windows.

No, you missed the point. I got it. You find it hard to believe that there is nothing left in a direct injected car. This isnt a diesel. You are probably trying to compare the two? Maybe if it had a turbo it would be different.

You missed Mike's point entirely. You still are it seems. He just clarified it again though.

I guess your idea of a stripped camaro still means power windows, an entertainment system that weighs 100 lbs, auto climate control, steering wheel controls, etc. That is by no means a stripper. I know you want to make a race car out of it, but please do not shame the original Camaros by calling this version any sort of a bare bones model. I would just call that a base Camaro or an optionless one, but thats just me. No COPO here or Stripper Z28. Yes, of course there will be a Z28, but from the sounds of things, it will still have all the options of an SS and possibly and RS as well. So still optioned out so to speak.

The point is, you seem a little ignorant of the way things are now. If a company that specializes in tunes says there is minimal enough gain to NOT put out a product, then I am more inclined to believe them at this time.

When GM decides to use DI on the V8, it will be very finely tuned. There will prob be more torque management settings that will try to cut power to aid in the warranty life of the vehicle and keep the customer experience lackadaisical and smooth. On a V8, I see them being more aggressive due to it obviously putting out more power. BUT, the new GM transmissions are made to hold quite a bit more power than their predecessors, so those probably will not be as detrimental to the overall power tune from the factory that they used to be.

To believe that one of the largest corporations, not to mention car makers, in the world cannot make changes and adapt their vehicles to be more efficient with fuel economy and power transmission is not within the realm of reason.

I apologize if my posts about this seem a little harsh, but you are witness to the evolution of the automobile. You dont have to believe in Darwinism to understand that. Get in, shut the door, and hold on. Thats all I have to say.

Let me help...

This passed weekend i had a guy on my dyno who runs very low 12s at full weight 2010 V6 automatic.
Car has ARH headers, aftermarket cats, SS catback, and ingine intake with a custom tune, made around 260-270rwhp in third, fourth gear was ran in seeing that it is closer to a 1:1 ratio but there was only a 3-4hp difference between third and fourth, not necessary to see 150mph on the dyno.
Also has a zex 125 shot and makes around 390rwhp, thats what gets him into the 12s.

He is waiting for Procharger to come out this summer, and he will most likely do that with gears, built trans and a nice stall.

All the numbers he has made was on BOSS 20" wheels... Heavy

John @ scoggin Just forget it. I guess you think since I am buying this car that I need the factory radio heavy steering wheel air bags back seat etc. The one I had already driven showed me that out of 30 plus years of camaros they still cant make the back seat useful.

If diablo cant write a tune for it I guess no one can. Unfortunately when i stopped working for gm the gas DI engines were just coming out. I figured like anything there could be more to be had with this motor. Hell I dont even care if there is a dyno sheet showing 1 hp gain, under the curve where i will be driving it for the first year is all i care about and possibly different grade of gas tune. But if GM has squeezed all they can out of it and no one else is capable then fine by me saves me money.

John @ scoggin Just forget it. I guess you think since I am buying this car that I need the factory radio heavy steering wheel air bags back seat etc. The one I had already driven showed me that out of 30 plus years of camaros they still cant make the back seat useful.

If diablo cant write a tune for it I guess no one can. Unfortunately when i stopped working for gm the gas DI engines were just coming out. I figured like anything there could be more to be had with this motor. Hell I dont even care if there is a dyno sheet showing 1 hp gain, under the curve where i will be driving it for the first year is all i care about and possibly different grade of gas tune. But if GM has squeezed all they can out of it and no one else is capable then fine by me saves me money.

We got a tune from Trifecta who actually has the software to make you a tune.
As we did on a 2010 camaro we did headers CAI cat back exhaust.Working with Trifecta Performance on our dyno and datalogging we made power and torque on the Mustang Dyno on this 2010 V6 CAMARO.
250hp and 235tq at 90F and 60% Humidity at the wheels.
Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEgIhkVscRc&feature=player_embedded

For a bone stock car, GM pretty much tuned as much as they could on the engine. So an engine tune on an all stock car hasn't been deemed necessary, but torque management and all the other trans properties will be where the most gains are found on a totally stock car.

Start getting into modded DI V6's with headers, exhaust, intake, etc. etc. and you'll need more than just a canned tune.

Unless of course you just enjoy replacing motors.

Diablo didn't see any use in offering a tuning option for the stock cars, plain and simple. There wasn't anything they considered to be of worthy gain.

Trifecta seem to be the ones that have a hold on the tuning, but I'm not sure how in depth it is in comparison to using HPTuners.

Yeah like most of the cars, I was looking for the DIY setup. efi live etc

You'd hate life if you had to tune my V6 :lol:

Did I really read this?? Lol WOW! I'm going back to 3rd gen forums lol

if you were getting an automatic, i'd definitely recommend a tune from Trifecta, there is more to tuning than peak hp numbers, and the transmission tune is where its at... I know Diablo doesn't offer that but Vince @ Trifecta does... and as far as gains, even on our L99 V8 cars there isn't a whole lot of power to be gained in tuning a stock car, but in removing the Torque Management and tuning the transmission, well, you'll gain over half a second and 2-3mph in E.T.s