Street Racing & Kill Stories - 2011 5.0 vs T/A




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VandykeT/A
11-21-2010, 08:23 PM
I know this has probably been beat to death but here it is. A guy I went to school with just bought a 2011 GT 6 speed 3.73s. Hes been wanting to run my T/A. He thinks it only has exhaust on it but how would my T/A, mods are in sig, stand up to it if drivers were equal. I'm betting I'll prolly have to run to find out but i thought i would ask. We'll probably be going from say a 30 mph roll to roughly 100. Thanks


Camaro_94
11-21-2010, 08:42 PM
I beat one a few weeks ago... With the mods in my sig (minus clutch and flywheel). You should be able to edge him out.... But anything can happen on the streets.

TheBlueKnight
11-21-2010, 09:03 PM
From what I've read it looks like full bolt on 4th gen f-bods are about equal with the new 5.0's. Which makes sense, both about the same HP and weight at that point, just a driver's race.


meine96ws6
11-21-2010, 09:05 PM
Watch the launch... But, it should be easy due to your cam, tune, and 4.10's

Camaro_94
11-21-2010, 09:07 PM
Watch the launch... But, it should be easy due to your cam, tune, and 4.10's

Did realize he had a cam.. OP, you should beat him fairly easily then.

mannyman84
11-21-2010, 10:17 PM
I think you'll take it. Mustang owners won't think that u will.

Stopsign32v
11-21-2010, 10:27 PM
If a cammed/4.10 geared LS1 cant outrun a stock 5.0 Mustang I would drive the F-body off a cliff.

Deuuuce
11-21-2010, 10:36 PM
With you having the 4:10 final drive, no question in my mind you'll beat him. Add the cam, no question whatsoever.

GIVE EM' THE BIRD
11-21-2010, 11:16 PM
If a cammed/4.10 geared LS1 cant outrun a stock 5.0 Mustang I would drive the F-body off a cliff.

I agree! If its an "equal drivers" race, and you lose, then I would suggest you immediately go to the shop and find out what in the hell is wrong with your car:barf:

Should be an easy kill ESPECIALLY if you run em up to high 4th for you...

d98gt
11-21-2010, 11:24 PM
You should pull pretty good on him if he is stock with your mods. Post back with your results.

VandykeT/A
11-21-2010, 11:51 PM
Probably going to happen this weekend sometime. A couple buddies of mine are actually setting it up. He told them the last time he talked to me it only had exhasut on it so thats what he believes. If he goes through with it I'll post what happens.

Buffalo
11-22-2010, 12:04 AM
I pretty much agree with everything that has been said. 4.10's and cam should be enough to kill it.

itsslow98
11-22-2010, 12:09 AM
More HP, 400lbs less. Is it even a question?

Sticks n Stones
11-22-2010, 01:30 AM
If a cammed/4.10 geared LS1 cant outrun a stock 5.0 Mustang I would drive the F-body off a cliff.

Agreed 100%. If you had just flowpack/LT's/tune and 3.23 gears you would still take him from a roll if he is stock. With your current mods you would take him even if he had a tune, CAI, LT's, and exhaust as long as you didnt spin.

Whats up with lying to him about your mods though? Man up and let him know about the cam- it's only gonna make you look like a tool to show up with a loping cam when all he thinks you have is exhaust work done. That's the kind of thing I used to hate about the juvenile Mustang and import crowd: "It's stock except for the exhaust".

Mystic Z-28
11-22-2010, 03:01 AM
Wow, it's nice to know that 9-13 year old F-bodies can take down a 2011 GT with just a couple bolt-ons and tune. :D

d98gt
11-22-2010, 03:45 AM
Cam, gear, full exhaust, and a tune is a pretty healthy amount of bolt-ons. Should be no reason to lose to a stock car but I guess I see where you are coming from mystic

F8L BYT
11-22-2010, 03:53 AM
You should have no problem taking him if he is stock. Get it on video though for sure!

Cam, gear, full exhaust, and a tune is a pretty healthy amount of bolt-ons. Should be no reason to lose to a stock car but I guess I see where you are coming from mystic

Haha yea those were my thoughts too, getting into the motor internally is a little bit more than just "bolt-ons"

Mystic Z-28
11-22-2010, 04:35 AM
Cam, gear, full exhaust, and a tune is a pretty healthy amount of bolt-ons. Should be no reason to lose to a stock car but I guess I see where you are coming from mystic

I wasn't talking about a cammed car. A cam is NOT a bolt-on IMO. Sticks N Stones said that a LT's/tune/gear'd/flowpack car should be able to take one from a roll.

VandykeT/A
11-22-2010, 06:08 AM
I haven't talked to him to tell him its cammed. I would have told him when i talked to him but more than likely he won't care anyway. I talked to him when he first got that car and the Trans am was never mentioned we were talking about my cobalt and i asked him how much hp they were rated and he said it was rated like 412 but he read in a magazine they were underrated and made like 460 to the wheels or something unreal sounding.

Sticks n Stones
11-22-2010, 08:42 AM
I wasn't talking about a cammed car. A cam is NOT a bolt-on IMO. Sticks N Stones said that a LT's/tune/gear'd/flowpack car should be able to take one from a roll.
Correct.
I... i asked him how much hp they were rated and he said it was rated like 412 but he read in a magazine they were underrated and made like 460 to the wheels or something unreal sounding.

wow he's delusional then. Only a noob would even consider that realistic. Granted they appear to be slightly underrated, maybe 10-15hp max. I believe the average for a stock 5.0 is around 370rwhp, the same ballpark as a LS3 SS and SRT8.

Mach Boy
11-22-2010, 08:55 AM
460rwhp for a 5.0 stock? He didn't read that anywhere. They were underrated but not that much.

WSsick
11-22-2010, 08:56 AM
Why is this in SR&K? Put this in bench racing until it actually happens.


STOCK 5.0 = WIN4U

WSsick
11-22-2010, 08:57 AM
460rwhp for a 5.0 stock? He didn't read that anywhere. They were underrated but not that much.

This.

Stopsign32v
11-22-2010, 10:46 AM
Wow, it's nice to know that 9-13 year old F-bodies can take down a 2011 GT with just a couple bolt-ons and tune. :D

Go find one and let us know how that works out for you.

brians91formula
11-22-2010, 12:26 PM
My Car ran even with a 425rwhp Full exhaust, intake, tune 5.0

Your car has more mods.... It should be an easy race for you. Have you ever had it at the track ?

TheBlueKnight
11-22-2010, 12:45 PM
More HP, 400lbs less. Is it even a question?

400lbs less? Through all my reading I thought the new 5.0 weighs around the same as a 4th gen f-bod, about 3600lbs :confused:

brians91formula
11-22-2010, 01:38 PM
400lbs less? Through all my reading I thought the new 5.0 weighs around the same as a 4th gen f-bod, about 3600lbs :confused:

The one I raced was around 3600lbs curb weight.

Brembo brakes + automatic transmission could add some additional weight maybe. Not even close to 400lbs though.

VandykeT/A
11-22-2010, 02:32 PM
Yea i've been on the track before but its pretty shameful lol. I ran a 14.00. I had just put my MGW in and when i did i used a ws6store short stick and i still had my stock master. I made 3 runs everytime i missed 4th gear. I don't know if it was my nerves because i'd never been to a track or what. It felt like it was locking me out of 4th but i dunno. After that i came straight home and ordered a tick and put the MGW handle back on and I haven't missed 4th but maybe once since then. So i guess whatever it was i fixed and i also had a 2.5 60 foot time it spint all the way through 1st and 2nd the track sucked. and im running sumitomo tires. The highest i trapped was 99. It was more or less coasting across the finish line. Whenever i would miss it i had to fight it back in.

Redfire 03
11-22-2010, 02:55 PM
C'mon OP you should no better. lol With your mods your car should be in the 11's at sea level with a good tire. Beyond stock 5.0 range.

TheBlueKnight
11-22-2010, 03:08 PM
i also had a 2.5 60 foot time

Doh, he is gonna crush you from a dig.

Camaro_94
11-22-2010, 08:27 PM
Go find one and let us know how that works out for you.

First off.. Nice sig.

Second.. only the mods in my sig (and a slipping stock clutch), I was able to take one down on a roll race.

Z28usmc
11-22-2010, 09:00 PM
Agreed 100%. If you had just flowpack/LT's/tune and 3.23 gears you would still take him from a roll if he is stock. With your current mods you would take him even if he had a tune, CAI, LT's, and exhaust as long as you didnt spin.

Whats up with lying to him about your mods though? Man up and let him know about the cam- it's only gonna make you look like a tool to show up with a loping cam when all he thinks you have is exhaust work done. That's the kind of thing I used to hate about the juvenile Mustang and import crowd: "It's stock except for the exhaust".

As it stands right now the F-body should take it by 2-3 cars to 100..... but a CAI, tune, LT's and exhaust netted mid to low 11's on an 11gt by Evolution Motorsports. I would have to give the edge to the GT if that was the case.

And I agree it's a pretty chicken shit move to lie about mods. But it is what it is. Some have integrity- some don't.

d98gt
11-22-2010, 09:19 PM
I will go mid 11s with just an intake and exhaust (no longtubes) and some front runners. Mark my word ;)

Stopsign32v
11-22-2010, 09:34 PM
First off.. Nice sig.

Second.. only the mods in my sig (and a slipping stock clutch), I was able to take one down on a roll race.

Your car is quite a bit different than his.

Stopsign32v
11-22-2010, 09:36 PM
Yea i've been on the track before but its pretty shameful lol. I ran a 14.00. I had just put my MGW in and when i did i used a ws6store short stick and i still had my stock master. I made 3 runs everytime i missed 4th gear. I don't know if it was my nerves because i'd never been to a track or what. It felt like it was locking me out of 4th but i dunno. After that i came straight home and ordered a tick and put the MGW handle back on and I haven't missed 4th but maybe once since then. So i guess whatever it was i fixed and i also had a 2.5 60 foot time it spint all the way through 1st and 2nd the track sucked. and im running sumitomo tires. The highest i trapped was 99. It was more or less coasting across the finish line. Whenever i would miss it i had to fight it back in.

If I were you I would take a driver's class before racing anyone. Your insurance company wouldn't like you hitting a $35k+ car.

Mike Morris
11-22-2010, 09:42 PM
I agree. Get comfortable with your car first.
Once you get comfortable with it and have some drag radials on it you should take him. Others reading this-bolt on 11 Gts are no joke especially if you are a bolt on car(LS1 F body).

itsslow98
11-22-2010, 10:14 PM
The one I raced was around 3600lbs curb weight.

Brembo brakes + automatic transmission could add some additional weight maybe. Not even close to 400lbs though.

Ive seen many places stating a 4th gen fbody weighs 3400lbs. A loaded 2011 GT is 3780. SO yea 380lbs sorry.

Z28usmc
11-22-2010, 10:28 PM
Ive seen many places stating a 4th gen fbody weighs 3400lbs. A loaded 2011 GT is 3780. SO yea 380lbs sorry.-

Mine weighed just over 3800 with me an an 1/8th of a tank of gas. Although I'm sure the stroker doesn't help.

3400-3500 sounds right for an LS1 f-body depending on mods etc.

WSsick
11-22-2010, 10:48 PM
FWIW, my car with 1/2 tank of gas weighs 3440.

Camaro_94
11-22-2010, 11:02 PM
Yea i've been on the track before but its pretty shameful lol. I ran a 14.00. I had just put my MGW in and when i did i used a ws6store short stick and i still had my stock master. I made 3 runs everytime i missed 4th gear. I don't know if it was my nerves because i'd never been to a track or what. It felt like it was locking me out of 4th but i dunno. After that i came straight home and ordered a tick and put the MGW handle back on and I haven't missed 4th but maybe once since then. So i guess whatever it was i fixed and i also had a 2.5 60 foot time it spint all the way through 1st and 2nd the track sucked. and im running sumitomo tires. The highest i trapped was 99. It was more or less coasting across the finish line. Whenever i would miss it i had to fight it back in.

I would prob do a roll race if I were you. And get some new tires.

Camaro_94
11-22-2010, 11:03 PM
Your car is quite a bit different than his.

icwatudidthar

Gotcha, he'd prob have a hard time being exhaust only and auto. If his mods in his sig are accurate.

GIVE EM' THE BIRD
11-22-2010, 11:18 PM
Yea i've been on the track before but its pretty shameful lol. I ran a 14.00. I had just put my MGW in and when i did i used a ws6store short stick and i still had my stock master. I made 3 runs everytime i missed 4th gear. I don't know if it was my nerves because i'd never been to a track or what. It felt like it was locking me out of 4th but i dunno. After that i came straight home and ordered a tick and put the MGW handle back on and I haven't missed 4th but maybe once since then. So i guess whatever it was i fixed and i also had a 2.5 60 foot time it spint all the way through 1st and 2nd the track sucked. and im running sumitomo tires. The highest i trapped was 99. It was more or less coasting across the finish line. Whenever i would miss it i had to fight it back in.

well, if you both suck equally at driving then you will still win. In the end, your car is faster... If he can out drive you(from a dig he will murder you with those track times:barf:) you better go from a 40 or 50 kick... His car is probably low 13 capable just as it sits with a good driver, so expect it to be fairly quick anyway

VandykeT/A
11-23-2010, 12:31 PM
I've got the shifting down now. I think something was wrong because I never missed any of em but 4th and it was like it locked me out. But pretty much any speed 1st and most of 2nd it'll break loose. but this is his first sports car and hes only had it maybe a month so he probably can't drive it very well.

TheBlueKnight
11-23-2010, 12:39 PM
My brother has the same problem. He will bang 2nd gear, then 3rd is pretty notchy to get into, then he is locked out of 4th. We replaced his master cylinder, slave, then did the drill mod and nothing helps. We are going to replace his stock clutch with an LS7 clutch kit in a few weeks and see if the centrifugal force is keeping the pressure plate fingers from releasing.

disc0monkey
11-23-2010, 12:47 PM
i think its the heat generated by the slipping clutch going to the PP fingers. the heated fingers will flex more than usual. this is my theory, please stop me if this sounds stupid, i cant think its anything else.

TheBlueKnight
11-23-2010, 01:44 PM
There are a lot of theories but the important thing is to realize it is the pressure plate in a lot of cases. People will buy the $300 Tick master, buy a new slave and they are still locked out of fourth. I've read threads where a heavier duty pressure plate solved the problem. Pressure plates do push the clutch and prevent it from slipping but if the fingers are weak it could having trouble releasing the assembly.

brians91formula
11-23-2010, 01:57 PM
Ive seen many places stating a 4th gen fbody weighs 3400lbs. A loaded 2011 GT is 3780. SO yea 380lbs sorry.

Well my friend had his at a weigh station and it was 36xx lbs. His was a bone stock 2011 5.0 6 speed. I wanna say it was 3670lbs or close to it. Why would he lie ?

I can ask him again to get the exact numbers if you'd like.

disc0monkey
11-23-2010, 03:18 PM
thats about the weight of the heaviest of stock 4gen fbodys

Redfire 03
11-23-2010, 03:41 PM
Fwiw, the lighter 1SC optioned F-bodies weigh in a tad under 3400lbs.

99peweterls1
11-23-2010, 06:10 PM
If a cammed/4.10 geared LS1 cant outrun a stock 5.0 Mustang I would drive the F-body off a cliff.

So when will you be getting a ls1? lol jk had to do it. :punch:

F8L BYT
11-23-2010, 07:21 PM
Well my friend had his at a weigh station and it was 36xx lbs. His was a bone stock 2011 5.0 6 speed. I wanna say it was 3670lbs or close to it. Why would he lie ?

I can ask him again to get the exact numbers if you'd like.

IIRC interventions was a more base model Gt with the gear option correct? That would explain why it was a little lighter, most fully loaded/optioned ot gt's will be more around 3800 i would guess

VandykeT/A
11-24-2010, 12:08 AM
the clutch is a ram powergrip hd, pressure plate came with it, i also bought a new ram slave cylinder and flywheel. It all hasn't got 15000 miles on it and i don't really run it hard very often. I've always thought it didn't shift as smooth as it should. I can bang the hell out of em in my 84 mustang but the t/a seems like its more notchy i guess you could say. Its got syncromesh in it now im thinking about going back to Dex III and seeing if that makes it smoother.

TheBlueKnight
11-24-2010, 02:13 AM
the clutch is a ram powergrip hd, pressure plate came with it, i also bought a new ram slave cylinder and flywheel. It all hasn't got 15000 miles on it and i don't really run it hard very often. I've always thought it didn't shift as smooth as it should. I can bang the hell out of em in my 84 mustang but the t/a seems like its more notchy i guess you could say. Its got syncromesh in it now im thinking about going back to Dex III and seeing if that makes it smoother.

Maybe, but won't keep you locked out of 4th.

itsslow98
11-24-2010, 03:48 AM
Well my friend had his at a weigh station and it was 36xx lbs. His was a bone stock 2011 5.0 6 speed. I wanna say it was 3670lbs or close to it. Why would he lie ?

I can ask him again to get the exact numbers if you'd like.

I said loaded.....yes read again LOADED, meaning 19 inch wheels, brembos, spoiler, back up camera, nav .....all that shit adds weight. not a base one with cloth seats and nothing else.

brians91formula
11-24-2010, 05:52 AM
IIRC interventions was a more base model Gt with the gear option correct? That would explain why it was a little lighter, most fully loaded/optioned ot gt's will be more around 3800 i would guess

I know he had 3.73's, Brembo's and leather.




I said loaded.....yes read again LOADED, meaning 19 inch wheels, brembos, spoiler, back up camera, nav .....all that shit adds weight. not a base one with cloth seats and nothing else.


Don't get your pantys in a bunch. I believe you.

redbird555
11-24-2010, 07:03 AM
FWIW my camaro with just about every option from t-tops to leather came in at 3460 with a tank of gas in it. From what Ive seen anywhere from 36xx to 38xx is normal for a new gt atleast the ones I've seen weighed so I'd say a 200 lb difference is reasonable. either way op your car shouldnt have a problem with his.

Packy
11-24-2010, 11:53 AM
IIRC interventions was a more base model Gt with the gear option correct? That would explain why it was a little lighter, most fully loaded/optioned ot gt's will be more around 3800 i would guess


Most SS's and WS6's are around the same weight. Maybe they are a slightly lighter around 37XX lbs or so. TA's are known to be on the hefty side since they have extra ground FX and most are loaded with power everything and leather which weigh more. It is only the low/No optioned Z28's and Formulas that were able to weigh in around 3400-3500 lbs. Redbird, have you removed anything because with a full tank in it that is pretty light. I figure probably the jack and spare are gone on most of these cars by now.

VandykeT/A
11-24-2010, 12:44 PM
My jack and spare tire are out and sitting in my building but thats all the weight reduction i've done. Its power everything and leather I've got subframe connectors, strut tower brace and LCA relocation brackets but thats probably it that adds weight. I think my TT II's were a little heavier than my factory ones also.

redbird555
11-24-2010, 02:11 PM
when i weighed it it was full weight spare tire and jack intact with 1/2 tank of gas im not sure the exact wight of gas so u could probably add a little more in there.

Packy
11-24-2010, 06:45 PM
when i weighed it it was full weight spare tire and jack intact with 1/2 tank of gas im not sure the exact wight of gas so u could probably add a little more in there.
That is cool man you have a lighter vehicle. Gas usually weighs about 6-7 lbs per gallon depending on type and stuff.

Sticks n Stones
11-24-2010, 07:01 PM
You guys gotta realize that truck scales are not the be all end all: last time I weighed my car at a truck scale the operator informed me that his scale was good to within 50lbs, which he was proud of, and that regular DOT scales can be as much as a couple hundreds pounds off and still be certified within range. Remember those scales are meant to read semi's weight from 80,000lbs up to 150,000lbs! Hell, a good rain on them giant scales would add a hundred+ pounds just in water weight.

Best and most accurate is to use a smaller scale meant for a regular auto like at the dump: most of them weigh the car before and after and are accurate and certified to within +/- 10lbs. Or go to the track and borrow one of the pros scale sets.

MauriSSio
11-27-2010, 12:12 PM
Ive seen many places stating a 4th gen fbody weighs 3400lbs. A loaded 2011 GT is 3780. SO yea 380lbs sorry.

you guys are crazy, a fully optioned glass roofed 2011 GT comes in at 3680lbs with a full tank of gas. Most 2011 GT's will therefore be at right about 3600lbs with a fulll tank of gas. They put down 370-380rwhp and 430rwhp with LT,Cai,Catback, and tune. My friends LS1 Transam came in at 3550lbs with half to 3/4 tank of gas.