Gen 5 Camaro Racing Tech, Results - 2010 Camaro SS M6 vs 2011 Mustang 5.0 M6

This should stir the pot again :chug:

"GT has the 3.73/Brembo package, everything stock. SS has straight pipes welded in place of the mufflers, that is the only mod. GT had TC on, SS had TC off. The audio sounds weird at first because I had wind noise reduction on. Shot with Canon EOS 60D and Canon 10-22mm lense.

Camaro had 145lb driver and 125lb passenger. The weight of both cars pretty much equal out because of this factor. Mods will be going on both cars in the future, can't wait for rematches!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-VX2xaIBTY&feature=player_embedded

Read the description for details.

Edit: here's a pic from before the race.

http://i54.tinypic.com/iz0v2o.jpg

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Not trying to make excuses; but in another thread it was determined that having the TC on slowed down the car.

Not trying to make excuses; but in another thread it was determined that having the TC on slowed down the car.

I agree with that but the TC being on had nothing to do with the SS pulling on the top end, that's what I was surprised by.

What's up with the "1-2-3 go!!" lol

TC on a 5.0 does a whole lot less than you think.

Good run and nice pic OP!

I agree with that but the TC being on had nothing to do with the SS pulling on the top end, that's what I was surprised by.

Nothing to be surprised by.

A couple different mags have tested the cars to 0-120 and 0-130

camaro had a full second edge to 120. and a 1.9 second edge to 130.

Good vid

I agree with that but the TC being on had nothing to do with the SS pulling on the top end, that's what I was surprised by.





i own GM prducts. i prefer caddys to all of these cars. BUT the traction control in my caddy's actually works like it should. when its wet or dry and i slam the throttle, the car just goes. the TC light comes on and it acclerates like it should. just like dry WOT.

my 2011GT is NOTHING like that. IMO ford TC is lame. it doesnt work at all. i dont know why they dont call it "apply the brakes and cut the throttle for 2 seconds" instead of TC. ive had my TC and stability control practically stop the car. it has done it one the 1-2 shift, 2-3 shift.

it doesnt do it all the time. some times i can spin it pretty hard just not on a shift. if the ass end comes out at all it hits. SO..........

yes the 2-3 shift can cause TC/stability to hit the brakes. so the camaro did pull it. try hitting your brakes HARD during a race.

call it a lame excuse if you like, i dont care. mine has TC turned off. run me. mine wont engage. the mustang driver was an idiot for leaving it on. it ony hurts. it doesnt help anything.

i own GM prducts. i prefer caddys to all of these cars. BUT the traction control in my caddy's actually works like it should. when its wet or dry and i slam the throttle, the car just goes. the TC light comes on and it acclerates like it should. just like dry WOT.

my 2011GT is NOTHING like that. IMO ford TC is lame. it doesnt work at all. i dont know why they dont call it "apply the brakes and cut the throttle for 2 seconds" instead of TC. ive had my TC and stability control practically stop the car. it has done it one the 1-2 shift, 2-3 shift.

it doesnt do it all the time. some times i can spin it pretty hard just not on a shift. if the ass end comes out at all it hits. SO..........

yes the 2-3 shift can cause TC/stability to hit the brakes. so the camaro did pull it. try hitting your brakes HARD during a race.

call it a lame excuse if you like, i dont care. mine has TC turned off. run me. mine wont engage. the mustang driver was an idiot for leaving it on. it ony hurts. it doesnt help anything.


did you even read the thread at svtp?

He said that was the closest race and that the TC was actually helping him.They tried the race with and without TC. He said he did not notice any power loss with it on but that it helped him get off the line better.
That vid was the best run for the 5.0...and it still lost.

They also admit that from a roll the race would be worse. And others agree...

Nice vid :nod:

did you even read the thread at svtp?

He said that was the closest race and that the TC was actually helping him.They tried the race with and without TC. He said he did not notice any power loss with it on but that it helped him get off the line better.
That vid was the best run for the 5.0...and it still lost.

They also admit that from a roll the race would be worse. And others agree...

Impossible! The 5.0 is 3 seconds faster than the SS. The muffler delete must have given the SS 40 rwhp. :secret2:

did you even read the thread at svtp?

He said that was the closest race and that the TC was actually helping him.They tried the race with and without TC. He said he did not notice any power loss with it on but that it helped him get off the line better.
That vid was the best run for the 5.0...and it still lost.

They also admit that from a roll the race would be worse. And others agree...

there is no power loss from TC. but if it does intervene, the run is lost. my dyno was with TC "ON".

there is no power loss from TC. but if it does intervene, the run is lost. my dyno was with TC "ON".

Dude....seriously.

THEY RACED WITH TC OFF AS WELL...THE CAMARO STILL CAUGHT UP AND PASSED HIM IN THE SAME FASHION.

This vid was the CLOSEST race.

I am sure if they had both equal passenger weight the stang would have stayed ahead a bit longer. The muffler delete seriously does next to nothing for the camaro.

Still just a street race with a lot of variables....I have seen a lot of vids with the 5.0 beating the camaro as well.

though this is a very good example...with both sides being friends and knowing each other etc...this is a lot more believable than most videos you find on the web where you know next to nothing about the situation and only have a one sided point of view on the race etc.

Dude....seriously.

THEY RACED WITH TC OFF AS WELL...THE CAMARO STILL CAUGHT UP AND PASSED HIM IN THE SAME FASHION.

This vid was the CLOSEST race.

I am sure if they had both equal passenger weight the stang would have stayed ahead a bit longer. The muffler delete seriously does next to nothing for the camaro.

Still just a street race with a lot of variables....I have seen a lot of vids with the 5.0 beating the camaro as well.

though this is a very good example...with both sides being friends and knowing each other etc...this is a lot more believable than most videos you find on the web where you know next to nothing about the situation and only have a one sided point of view on the race etc.


im good man. i dont care who won or lost. good for the SS. muffler do very little for a GT without removing the resonators.

its all good man. it sounded like they were saying TC got involved during the run. it didnt, well thats ok. Ford could learn a TC lesson from GM though.

good vid man

Nice vid. I am not suprised. Top end stock to stock the LS3 will start to pull. However on the flipside of the coin just with a tune the Mustang is a way different animal more than the Camaro with a tune. Have both cars with a tune or even an off the shelf programmer and I bet its neck and neck race with even weight(driver and passenger).

Neck and neck yes. Not mustang shitting all over every car ever like has been claimed. LOL.

Well when i had my ls2 gto I felt the tc played a huge roll in how it pulled from a dig or roll. Not sure if my stock 245 tires were that crappy that they were breaking loose at any speed in the first 4 years that would cause the tc to come on or what but it sucked...tc off was a different animal tho. This was a stock ls2 w/straight pipes and a 6spd btw

And good runs and kill for that ss but why would people even race with the TC on in the first place? Shit sucks...I made it a habit to turn off TC in my old goat and now in my c5...well cept for when it rains out.

nice runs

great race! Cant argue with the top end of the Ls3, weight, TC on, ect...ect...4th gear in those things are just nasty.

Don't want to ruffle your feathers folks but I've yet to see a stock SS run with a new mustang at the track. It isn't even close. From what I've seen, the mustangs run anywhere from high 12s to mid 12s stock. The camaros generally run in the mid 13s to low 13s stock.

I'm not trying to bash the new SS but I do want to give credit where it is due. The 5.0 mustang is a beast.

Consider this, Ford underates the hp of the mustang , and it is 200+ lbs lighter. From what I've seen, the stang actually makes more rw hp than the SS.

I'm still yet to see a bone stock 5.0 run a 12 at the track. I have witnessed a bone stock A6 SS run a 12.9 though.

I have seen a bone stock 2011 GT go 12.78 at our track. The DA was -900 though. I've never seen a new camaro go below mid to low 13's stock.

I witnessed my buddy who has a 2010 camaro with cai/headers, and a tune on street tires and stock wheels with no weight reduction run low 12's and dog stomp a new 5.0 auto with tires cai, tune, and suspension multiple times.. soo IMO the new 5.0's are great and all but they are not all they are cracked up to be... Though I would like to have one..

Don't want to ruffle your feathers folks but I've yet to see a stock SS run with a new mustang at the track. It isn't even close. From what I've seen, the mustangs run anywhere from high 12s to mid 12s stock. The camaros generally run in the mid 13s to low 13s stock.

I'm not trying to bash the new SS but I do want to give credit where it is due. The 5.0 mustang is a beast.

Consider this, Ford underates the hp of the mustang , and it is 200+ lbs lighter. From what I've seen, the stang actually makes more rw hp than the SS.
i agree 100%, im STILL flabbergasted people are still arguing over this.

you camaro guys are absolute fucktards. its math, and nothing else. power:weight+traction = DUH. WINNING.


and all i hear is "OH I SAW THIS I HEARD ABOUT THAT MY BROTHER COUSINS GIRLFRIENDS BROTHERS CAMARO RUNS 10'S WITH A CAI AND SLICKS YO!"

and put it this way, your fastest built motor N/A car is STILL slower than the quickest bolt on 5.0 mustang...:supergay:http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.ls1tech.com/get/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_rainbow.gif

I wonder what math was used in that vid.....must be a different kind than you use.

i agree 100%, im STILL flabbergasted people are still arguing over this.

you camaro guys are absolute fucktards. its math, and nothing else. power:weight+traction = DUH. WINNING.


and all i hear is "OH I SAW THIS I HEARD ABOUT THAT MY BROTHER COUSINS GIRLFRIENDS BROTHERS CAMARO RUNS 10'S WITH A CAI AND SLICKS YO!"

Hey dumbass, did you watch the video? Oh I can't wait to hear your excuse on this one. Wake and get off of Ford's dick. The new 5.0 is not an 11 sec. bolt-on car. The fastest all motor 5th gen is in the 10's. You can't believe a bolt-on mustang runs that, can you?

"The new 5.0 is not an 11 sec. bolt-on car."

Yes it is. Even an auto. I have done it with full weight in two different cars. Don't take them lightly.

I'll stop taking them lightly when I get beat by one. I think they are over hyped and evenly matched to an LS3 with someone that can drive behind the wheel.

I'll stop taking them lightly when I get beat by one. I think they are over hyped and evenly matched to an LS3 with someone that can drive behind the wheel.may i suggest...
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/midwestern-members/1402555-street-racing-kill-stories.html

i think this car would skullfuck a camaro like yours..

may i suggest...
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/midwestern-members/1402555-street-racing-kill-stories.html

i think this car would skullfuck a camaro like yours..

You're just another person talking out of your ass. If he were closer to IL I would invite him to Rt. 66 this Saturday and video tape the pass and laugh at the excuses I hear.

Better yet, why don't you come down Saturday and I can skullfuck your WS.6?

Better yet, why don't you come down Saturday and I can skullfuck your WS.6?haha because i'm not the one spouting a bunch of bullshit about how badass my car is and how no 2011 gt mustang can touch it. i'll save myself the trip, the ws6 went 13.24 @ 103 in the 1/4. i don't even know if it would make it on a roadtrip that far. if you didn't notice, that gt is a legic 11 sec bolt-on car that is only getting quicker/faster. there is really no need to be so cocky. besides, unless you're sitting on a 120 car, you stand no chance against that gt...pretty simple.

Yea because it take a 120 car to outrun a 110 car :eyes:

Yea because it take a 120 car to outrun a 110 car :eyes:pretty sure that stang went 118 at its last track outing...

Hey dumbass, did you watch the video? Oh I can't wait to hear your excuse on this one. Wake and get off of Ford's dick. The new 5.0 is not an 11 sec. bolt-on car. The fastest all motor 5th gen is in the 10's. You can't believe a bolt-on mustang runs that, can you?

wow dude. a street racing video is INCREDIBLY scientific, now that that video has been released all doubts are put to rest. a heavier car with less power and less traction is faster than the mustang, damn, you got me. my physics prof musta been bull shitting me.

they were running 10's bolt on just 2 months after the cars hit the show room floors. i provided proof to you tools months ago. should i dig up the threads? they're also making 500+whp h/c/i now too, out of a fucking 5.0...

wait, wheres the 10 second bolt on camaro? or the 9 second bolt on + spray camaro? all i hear you guys do it bitch, and make up bull shit excuses.


5TH GEN CAMAROS ARE SLOW FUCKING PIGS.

yes, ford finally got a decent motor in the mustang, and you're butt hurt. its okay...

If GM was to redesign a new motor for the proposed redesigned and lighter Camaro it would eat the Mustang up. Imagine a 5.5 version of the Coyote in a car that weighs a lot less.

Well, GM officially announced that the Camaro would, at some point in the future, be switching to their new Alpha Chassis. The Alpha Chassis will allow for GM to build a lighter, more agile next-gen Camaro, and that's a good thing. Here's some more speculation concerning the future of the Camaro though! GM has announced that they have a new engine in the works for the next-gen Corvette, and apparently the C7 will be powered by a naturally aspirated, direct-injection 5.5L V8 putting out 440 Horsepower. While the displacement on this engine's smaller, the numbers are nice (and it supposedly vastly fuel efficient over its current C6 counterpart) , and I imagine we'll probably see this new Chevy Small-Block becoming the engine du jour of the next gen Camaro SS, in some fashion. To keep the Corvette price-tag in line, they'll probably tune it down some, but that still just means the engine's not far from unlocking all of those extra ponies. All in all, it seems like a nice step in the right direction of engine design by GM, regardless of the smaller displacement.

wow dude. a street racing video is INCREDIBLY scientific, now that that video has been released all doubts are put to rest. a heavier car with less power and less traction is faster than the mustang, damn, you got me. my physics prof musta been bull shitting me.

they were running 10's bolt on just 2 months after the cars hit the show room floors. i provided proof to you tools months ago. should i dig up the threads? they're also making 500+whp h/c/i now too, out of a fucking 5.0...

wait, wheres the 10 second bolt on camaro? or the 9 second bolt on + spray camaro? all i hear you guys do it bitch, and make up bull shit excuses.


5TH GEN CAMAROS ARE SLOW FUCKING PIGS.

yes, ford finally got a decent motor in the mustang, and you're butt hurt. its okay...
Wow you mustang nut swingers crack me up. 10's with bolt-on's???? Seriously you are that retarded? That's full weight I'm sure. LS3 SS' have been making 500+ rwhp for almost 2 years now.

Do you own a 5.0 or are you most of the Ford fanboi's and just spout off about a car you don't have?? I'm guessing the latter. When I was at the track a few weeks ago the only almighty 5.0 there ran a 13.4 :eyes:

5.0's are fucking over rated

haha because i'm not the one spouting a bunch of bullshit about how badass my car is and how no 2011 gt mustang can touch it. i'll save myself the trip, the ws6 went 13.24 @ 103 in the 1/4. i don't even know if it would make it on a roadtrip that far. if you didn't notice, that gt is a legic 11 sec bolt-on car that is only getting quicker/faster. there is really no need to be so cocky. besides, unless you're sitting on a 120 car, you stand no chance against that gt...pretty simple.

Until you get a 5.0 or a faster car then I would just STFU. I may be sitting on a 120 car, I haven't tested the new combo yet. 118 sounds about right for what I have.

Until you get a 5.0 or a faster car then I would just STFU. I may be sitting on a 120 car, I haven't tested the new combo yet. 118 sounds about right for what I have.what makes you think i haven't owned cars faster than yours? you are very narrow-minded. i am far from a nutswinger. i simply state the obvious and hold an open mind. i'd be upset if i were you too...financing a car like that to go fast hahaha. to be honest, i wouldn't buy a new mustang or fbod. i could easily make this car faster than yours with about 10% of your investment. i hope you do have a 120+ car because you will get embarrassing with an attitude like that.

Wow you mustang nut swingers crack me up. 10's with bolt-on's???? Seriously you are that retarded? That's full weight I'm sure. LS3 SS' have been making 500+ rwhp for almost 2 years now.

Do you own a 5.0 or are you most of the Ford fanboi's and just spout off about a car you don't have?? I'm guessing the latter. When I was at the track a few weeks ago the only almighty 5.0 there ran a 13.4 :eyes:

5.0's are fucking over rated ls1's made 500whp h/c/i years ago...

how is this a retarded concept? it happened in october...

last time i was at the track i saw a brand new camaro run 17's. :eyes:

what makes you think i haven't owned cars faster than yours? you are very narrow-minded. i am far from a nutswinger. i simply state the obvious and hold an open mind. i'd be upset if i were you too...financing a car like that to go fast hahaha. to be honest, i wouldn't buy a new mustang or fbod. i could easily make this car faster than yours with about 10% of your investment. i hope you do have a 120+ car because you will get embarrassing with an attitude like that.

You have to pay to play. It doesn't matter how much money you pay or put it into a car, the only thing that matters is if you can cover the guy next to you. I guess I have enough money to pay 10 times what you can and I'm ok with that, I have enough money.

ls1's made 500whp h/c/i years ago...

how is this a retarded concept? it happened in october...

last time i was at the track i saw a brand new camaro run 17's. :eyes:

Yes, they are 17 sec. cars. All day long.

I guess I have enough money to pay 10 times what you can and I'm ok with that, I have enough money.yes, by default, because i chose not to purchase a 5th gen fbod you > me ;). on a positive note, at least you're running the fuck out of it.

yes, by default, because i chose not to purchase a 5th gen fbod you > me ;). on a positive note, at least you're running the fuck out of it.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I just hate that argument that some can go faster than another person with less money. Obviously that's true, I could build a 6.0 iron block and shove it in a chevette and be a hell of a lot faster. Money is irrelevant, buy the car that you like and have fun.

Money is irrelevant, buy the car that you like and have fun.i know, but you were picking on a stock ta, i had to say something. the car actually went 8.29 @ 88 in the 1/8 on that 13.2 pass, but something in the plugs/wires gave up at the top of 3rd. whisper lid and weld in flowmaster 80 series. it also has sportlines and a pro5.0, but i don't consider those "real" mods.

any track times with your car? i've seen a couple m6 ls3 cars around here go down the track, but your 17 second comment applies. one dude has a h/c car that went something like 12.6 @ 118. made 525whp on a local dyno.

i know, but you were picking on a stock ta, i had to say something. the car actually went 8.29 @ 88 in the 1/8 on that 13.2 pass, but something in the plugs/wires gave up at the top of 3rd. whisper lid and weld in flowmaster 80 series. it also has sportlines and a pro5.0, but i don't consider those "real" mods.

any track times with your car? i've seen a couple m6 ls3 cars around here go down the track, but your 17 second comment applies. one dude has a h/c car that went something like 12.6 @ 118. made 525whp on a local dyno.

At the end of last season my car went 12.69 @ 111.3 with a Roto-Fab intake, baseline tune, and an MGW shifter. I would consider that pretty lightly modded on stock Pirelli's @ 35 psi. This year the car has full bolt-on's and will have a 125-150 shot. I need to get a re-tune and some tires. Last weekend at 66 they only ran 1/8 so I couldn't get a baseline on the bolt-on's but it did pick up 2mph in the 1/8 compared to last season's best. I wasn't picking on a stock T/A till you said I would get "skull fucked" by that 5.0

Hey dark, next time you hit rt66 let me know man I live 30 min from there! I am dying to hit the track for the first time with my 5th gen!

Dark...you're car is slow man...just get over it and move on already. :gay:

Give it some time guys, us 5th gen guys will be beating up on everything! The problem is there are to many damn guys worried about rims and dyno queens right now! Once the racers start buying them things will change!:D These car's are heavy but they make killer power, once people start installing 4.33's and drag wheel setups the non believer's will shut there holes! My olds was 4000lbs and I had no problem running 11.50's on a stock bottom end, 4.10's and slick's. The problem with the 5th gen right now is there is not many people doing what NEEDS to be done, DRAG WHEELS AND GEARS... even to stock SS I think that would be a huge impact! One guy proved it already, running 11.80,s with headers, tune and drag wheels, add gears in the mix you might break 11.50s! Thats pretty damn good if you ask me.

Once the racers start buying them things will change!how many "racers" do you know will purposely buy a factory built 4000lb+ car with irs? those are 2 things people trying to get shit done do not want. just a thought... ;)

I did... Not that I am hard core... but I have plans :D

It's inevitable that people who own LS1's will start buying 5th gens. Most people on this site would buy one if they were cheaper. It's just a matter of time before prices drop. The GTO seems to have a pretty decent "racer" fallowing.

exactly!

It's inevitable that people who own LS1's will start buying 5th gens. Most people on this site would buy one if they were cheaper. It's just a matter of time before prices drop. The GTO seems to have a pretty decent "racer" fallowing.
not nearly as well as the lighter solid axle cars.

Hell thats fine with me, just means when my car is done people will underestimate it! Hell go on streetfire, there are a few camaros running cam only and ruining alot of peoples night's :D Theres a vid with a header's, intake and no tune 10ss running with some pretty bad stangs (gt500) and holding its own.

if all you're interested in is roll racing then the irs isn't AS important, but weight obviously still plays a major role.

i hope to see some of these cars doing big things, but it's not looking good. hell gm can't even get a camaro to compete with the factory drag cars that ford and mopar both are producing. i like the looks of the challengers the best, but i've managed to hurt a couple 6 speed cars in the stock ta haha. i'm guessing weight is their biggest enemy, as well.

You put a hurt on what 6 speed? I am pretty sure your not talking an SS, cause that would total BS, unless the guy had NO idea how to drive! I been around 4th gens for a long time, my brother still has his bolt-on 2000 T/A... my header only SS walks his car no problem, I still had him beat BONE stock! A stock for stock 4th gen has no chance against a 5th gen if both guys can drive. Thats a FACT, not saying that there is a big difference between to two... there's not, but the 5th gen IS FASTER.

I fuck camaros up all time..Even with the full bolt ons before i had full bolt ons..Are they fast ya compared to a 2010 GT..Is there some 5.0s going to lose ya its possible..Not as much as camaros losing to 5.0s.
Before the real modding began..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVexXKJvQ_E

This should stir the pot again :chug:

"GT has the 3.73/Brembo package, everything stock. SS has straight pipes welded in place of the mufflers, that is the only mod. GT had TC on, SS had TC off. The audio sounds weird at first because I had wind noise reduction on. Shot with Canon EOS 60D and Canon 10-22mm lense.

Camaro had 145lb driver and 125lb passenger. The weight of both cars pretty much equal out because of this factor. Mods will be going on both cars in the future, can't wait for rematches!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-VX2xaIBTY&feature=player_embedded

Read the description for details.

Edit: here's a pic from before the race.


Looks like he would have beat you in a 1/4 mile. After that you caught him..to late in drag racing then.

You put a hurt on what 6 speed?challenger. i ran into a white 5th gen fbod tonight that bugged me enough we pulled a couple gears a few times. i'm still trying to figure out if it was a v6 or not, it was painfully slow. sounded like an auto, but hard to tell at highway speeds, stock exhaust, and in the dark with 5% tint. i don't pick races, mainly because my job depends on my license, but i could only take so much of the front end hopping shit before trying my luck haha.

i have on idea how i'd fare against a stock ls3 m6 5th gen f car. probably not good. i don't street race, so i'll probably never know. ta went 88 in the 1/8, so you tell me. i guess that's 112-113 in the 1/4 for an m6 car? i raced the shit out of my a4 camaro while this car sat in the garage. nothing has changed except i no longer have the camaro haha.

Looks like he would have beat you in a 1/4 mile. After that you caught him..to late in drag racing then.

A street race is'nt always a 1/4 mile. The 5.0 got beat in that race. A roll race would've made it look pretty bad.

A street race is'nt always a 1/4 mile. The 5.0 got beat in that race. A roll race would've made it look pretty bad.

Funny i raced a few camaros in roll races..Didnt lose..from 20-140 camaro stayed about 2 cars behind me whole time. few others worse..

But anything can happen...

Funny i raced a few camaros in roll races..Didnt lose..from 20-140 camaro stayed about 2 cars behind me whole time. few others worse..

But anything can happen...

I've experienced the exact opposite outcome. 5.0's have faired better from stop light to stop light but they get walked hard on any roll over 40.

I've experienced the exact opposite outcome. 5.0's have faired better from stop light to stop light but they get walked hard on any roll over 40.
hmm...have to try a little higher rolls with the ones running same mods as me..or least to same..

Just curious..what mods you have and what you ran at track?

This year I have ran in to a lot more 5.0's that last year and I now have full bolt-on's. Last year it had a CAI, tune and under drive and went 12.6 with a stock pirelli. I need to get it on an 18" MT and get back to track. There have been a few cars that went 11's with my set up.

This year I have ran in to a lot more 5.0's that last year and I now have full bolt-on's. Last year it had a CAI, tune and under drive and went 12.6 with a stock pirelli. I need to get it on an 18" MT and get back to track. There have been a few cars that went 11's with my set up.

See thats the difference. I had tune, cold air, and gears for high 11s..Now have full bolts i will be seeking some low 11.1-11.3 passes. Possible i know cause buddy just ran his car 11.6 in 80* weather at 2500da. SO a decent DA and cooler weather low 11s is very easy. When i break open motor and do cams i want decent 10s N/A..

The biggest difference is that I did that on a stock 20" Pirelli ice skate. If I had a 18" DR it would have gotten me down to low 12's and on a full 17" slick it would have been even better. Put that car on a street tire and try to run anywhere close to those times. Let me know if you get 10's all motor because I haven't heard of anyone doing that. The 5th gen is not a drag race car but it can hold it's own much better that what people think. Did you actually run a high 11 with tune, gears and cold air??

The biggest difference is that I did that on a stock 20" Pirelli ice skate. If I had a 18" DR it would have gotten me down to low 12's and on a full 17" slick it would have been even better. Put that car on a street tire and try to run anywhere close to those times. Let me know if you get 10's all motor because I haven't heard of anyone doing that. The 5th gen is not a drag race car but it can hold it's own much better that what people think. Did you actually run a high 11 with tune, gears and cold air??

Yes i ran 11.88@106 with cold air, tune and gears on a drag radial. It should have been better but lost 5th gear. Couldnt get in 5th at last 100-150 feet or so. Killing my trap speed. Before lost 5th gear was trapping 115-117 but track didnt prep till later.

I know of 3 that have went 11.1-11.3 bolt ons..and one that went 10.7 with bolt ons, ported 5.0 heads. Them are the best times out there. Average i have seen from a bolt on only car. No cams/h/ car is 11.3-11.5ish.

here is my video of my 11.88. AT end you here it rev crazy..that was me being kicked back out 5th gear.. On that note ford replaced tranny/clutch.flywheel under warranty..Since havent had issues with it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfAv33Tavg

Best before mods was 12.12 on tires only..Best bone stock i seen is 12.22 fo manual..Best auto is 12.37

I find it amazing that it seems us 5th gen guys, former 4th gen owners have to defend our cars at this point :mad: Ya the new stang seems to be a bit better of a DRAG car, but the SS can hold its! They CAN run 11s with bolt-ons only but they need the drag wheel/tire setup, and alot of guys just are not poping the cash for that right now. For car with just exhaust and cold air's to run low 12's on 20" street tires is pretty damn good no.

Not when stock 5.0s are doing low 12s on street tires stock.

Low 12s stock? Low 11s with bolt on and tires? Hmmmm. Full weight???
Best I ever seen was 12.7s and that was at Atco 100 percent stock. Best bolt on cars I drove/raced mid 11s at 117-118 but that was before the Boss intake and full weigh.
They are fast and like I posted before you can't take them lightly.

Low 12s stock, thats not even close to the norm! Not to mention that a few guys are running 12.50s-12.60s stock in a SS, and plenty in the 12.7-8's! So the best stang run is a hole .2 faster :eyes: Thats a joke to think that is some big deal, the BEST stang is slightly faster in the 1/4... big deal, and a vette a will kill a stang all day long. Some one always is going to be a bit faster, drive what you like and modd the crap out if it! Thats the point of this hobby! I would never buy a stang, but you dont see me telling people what a turd they are!

Not when stock 5.0s are doing low 12s on street tires stock.

Man your car runs good no doubt but you take it a little overboard. Every thread you post in you are bragging about how stock 5.0s are going low 12's stock. I have yet to see it personally but I won't say its not possible. The fact is very few are going to do it. The 5th camaros are not really suited for the 1/4 but there are quite a few going low 12s and high 11s with bolt ons. I have yet to run my 10 but I run my buddies cam-only 99SS that runs 11.90s @ 116 from a roll and we were door to door up to 140.

Low 12s stock, thats not even close to the norm! Not to mention that a few guys are running 12.50s-12.60s stock in a SS, and plenty in the 12.7-8's! So the best stang run is a hole .2 faster :eyes: Thats a joke to think that is some big deal, the BEST stang is slightly faster in the 1/4... big deal, and a vette a will kill a stang all day long. Some one always is going to be a bit faster, drive what you like and modd the crap out if it! Thats the point of this hobby! I would never buy a stang, but you dont see me telling people what a turd they are!

I love how camaro's get but hurt and say well vette will kill it..Well cobra jet(8s from dealer) is faster then ever vette there is in production..SO what now?..GT500's are running low 11s with tires and high 11s without. Thats ZO6 times. new Supersnake they just got mid 11s street tires and in the 10s with tires....SO i think ford has it covered. But yes there is always some one faster with more money in the bank. More time on there hands.

Man your car runs good no doubt but you take it a little overboard. Every thread you post in you are bragging about how stock 5.0s are going low 12's stock. I have yet to see it personally but I won't say its not possible. The fact is very few are going to do it. The 5th camaros are not really suited for the 1/4 but there are quite a few going low 12s and high 11s with bolt ons. I have yet to run my 10 but I run my buddies cam-only 99SS that runs 11.90s @ 116 from a roll and we were door to door up to 140.

If you look on the mustang forums you see more and more 5.0s going lower 12 stock. And more getting mid 11s and better with seat time with bolt ons.

Camaro's are nice and my wife is debating buying one. A convertible actually. SHe works for a chevy dealer so gets a little deal on them. And i will agree the new camaro is not suited for the drag strip like the older ones.

I think the camaro more of a status symbol now a days. Hey look i have a camaro im special.

And well the mustang great 1/4 car being so light. 3600 with full tank gas before any weight reduction on a base. But shit they are every where and dont know if 5.0 or 2010 4.6 till up on it. If they would have never came out with the 5.0 i would be rocking a SS..Just cause the 4.6 was a dog.

Not when stock 5.0s are doing low 12s on street tires stock.

Dude where are you getting this crap?? I thought you might have been a normal car guy but you seem to be drinking the Ford kool aid too. You just posted a vid where the best you could get is a 12.12 (which is really fast BTW) but you were on a full flipping slick. There is no was in hell you could get with in 3/10 of that time on a street tire and I don't care who's driving. Plus add in the fact that everyone's definition of stock is different.

Dude where are you getting this crap?? I thought you might have been a normal car guy but you seem to be drinking the Ford kool aid too. You just posted a vid where the best you could get is a 12.12 (which is really fast BTW) but you were on a full flipping slick. There is no was in hell you could get with in 3/10 of that time on a street tire and I don't care who's driving. Plus add in the fact that everyone's definition of stock is different.

There is a guy that went 12.22 on stock tires in manual. two guys went 12.3 in autos. A bunch that have went 12.4s in autos and manuals.

Go modularfords.com look around in there 2011 section..You will see all kinds of times for 5.0s. Hell there even a few guys only ran 13s bone stock. Shit a lot shops claim 12.4-12.6 stock then 11s with only tune and drag radials. Which i know a more then 5 have did with auto's and manuals have done that are not shop cars.

with that i think i could have went 12.0x's same night ran 12.1 but track was closing. DA was +250 when i ran.

Will all them run low 12 stock. Of course not but it is possible with right driver, and track. I think fastest stock camaro i have seen is 12.59. Do any you know of one faster stock?

And also these cars going low 12 stock are base cars..less then 3600lbs stock..3600lbs is what a base weighs with a full tank gas.

with that i think i could have went 12.0x's same night ran 12.1 but track was closing. DA was +250 when i ran.

Will all them run low 12 stock. Of course not but it is possible with right driver, and track. I think fastest stock camaro i have seen is 12.59. Do any you know of one faster stock?

And also these cars going low 12 stock are base cars..less then 3600lbs stock..3600lbs is what a base weighs with a full tank gas.

You really are trying to get noticed aren't you.

All hail the mighty 5.0 :barf: Lets face it guys, our heavy turd camaros just cant hang :bs:We should all buy mustangs.

All the fastest Mustangs on the planet troll Camaro forums...interesting.

I'm still waiting for a 5.0 to wipe me out....sadly the guy I work that has one with won't race his bad ass 5.0 because it might break at the track.

Ford finally brought out a decent power plant, congrats.....but the Mustang bullshit really needs to end.

All the fastest Mustangs on the planet troll Camaro forums...interesting.

I'm still waiting for a 5.0 to wipe me out....sadly the guy I work that has one with won't race his bad ass 5.0 because it might break at the track.

Ford finally brought out a decent power plant, congrats.....but the Mustang bullshit really needs to end.

I agree 100%.

The other day I saw a 5.0 Mustang on the side of the road being hooked up to a tow truck, lol

aren't they having bad problems with 6 spd trannys?

I think so, a guy I know that has a 5.0 had a new trans installed under warranty.

aren't they having bad problems with 6 spd trannys?

I know i did..I had replaced under warranty..Seems some are having issues and some are not.

The biggest difference is that I did that on a stock 20" Pirelli ice skate. If I had a 18" DR it would have gotten me down to low 12's and on a full 17" slick it would have been even better. Put that car on a street tire and try to run anywhere close to those times. Let me know if you get 10's all motor because I haven't heard of anyone doing that. The 5th gen is not a drag race car but it can hold it's own much better that what people think. Did you actually run a high 11 with tune, gears and cold air??

I go 12.teens with just a tune, on stock 19" Pirelli P-Zero Nero tires in +650' DA.

Low 12s stock? Low 11s with bolt on and tires? Hmmmm. Full weight???
Best I ever seen was 12.7s and that was at Atco 100 percent stock. Best bolt on cars I drove/raced mid 11s at 117-118 but that was before the Boss intake and full weigh.
They are fast and like I posted before you can't take them lightly.

12.37 is the best totally stock 5.0 auto time. 12.22 is the best 5.0 stick car time.

Both were run at Cecil County, MD.

aren't they having bad problems with 6 spd trannys?

6 speed manual trans.

The 6 speed auto is fine.

6 speed manual trans.

The 6 speed auto is fine.

Rub it in the auto's are doing fine...

Gotta love you 5.0 owners.

I love how camaro's get but hurt and say well vette will kill it..Well cobra jet(8s from dealer) is faster then ever vette there is in production..SO what now?..GT500's are running low 11s with tires and high 11s without. Thats ZO6 times. new Supersnake they just got mid 11s street tires and in the 10s with tires....SO i think ford has it covered. But yes there is always some one faster with more money in the bank. More time on there hands.

You're an annoying motherfucker. I bet dad said that to you a lot growing up.

You're an annoying motherfucker. I bet dad said that to you a lot growing up.

I see you are looking for me...Sorry i dont swing that way.

6 speed manual trans.

The 6 speed auto is fine.i was referring to the manuals, my bad.

with those gts trapping so much why aren't we seeing any big stall bolt-on cars going 10s? or are they and i just missed it...?

i was referring to the manuals, my bad.

with those gts trapping so much why aren't we seeing any big stall bolt-on cars going 10s? or are they and i just missed it...?

I just stuck a Circle-D 4500rpm stall in mine.

This fall we will see bolt-on auto 5.0s in the high 10s...

;)

we've already seen bolt on 5.0's in the 10's, and bolt on + spray 5.0's in the 9's. i cant figure out why people seem to forget this?

we've already seen bolt on 5.0's in the 10's, and bolt on + spray 5.0's in the 9's. i cant figure out why people seem to forget this?

They are in denial and just cant help but hate.

I am sure people would show more intrest in a 5.0 forum!

I am sure people would show more interest in a 5.0 forum!

:werd:

I have'nt seen a bolt-on one in the 10's. I seen the Livernois car in the 10's, but it had ported heads, 12:1 comp and on race gas. Looked like a completely built race car to me.

I just stuck a Circle-D 4500rpm stall in mine.hell yeah this is what i'm talkin about.

I have'nt seen a bolt-on one in the 10's. I seen the Livernois car in the 10's, but it had ported heads, 12:1 comp and on race gas. Looked like a completely built race car to me.
I could show you one...

I could show you one...

Will Bigfoot be driving it? Or will a team of unicorns be pulling it to the track?

I could show you one...

Show me....I think it would need some pretty good weight reduction. Hell I'm almost there with a stock ls6 and the 5.0 makes a little more power than me so it's definetly possible. But I'm sure the Mustang is a little heavier, I'm also not workin my car hard out the gate like alot of guys do.

I love how camaro's get but hurt

Camaros get BUTT hurt? Cars do not have feelings, and you are not you car. No matter how nice your car is, you are still a tool. A rather dull tool at that.

Show me....I think it would need some pretty good weight reduction. Hell I'm almost there with a stock ls6 and the 5.0 makes a little more power than me so it's definetly possible. But I'm sure the Mustang is a little heavier, I'm also not workin my car hard out the gate like alot of guys do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADx2kpL9dDA

I kew you would find one ohio...lol. I wonder how much is gone out of that car. I figured it's lightened pretty good. I wish my 10 bolt would hold up to a launch like that.

we've already seen bolt on 5.0's in the 10's, and bolt on + spray 5.0's in the 9's. i cant figure out why people seem to forget this?

That is bolt-on plus head work.

That is bolt-on plus head work.

hey if go by some cams are bolt ons..haha J/K dont a bunch people get panties in a bind.

I kew you would find one ohio...lol. I wonder how much is gone out of that car. I figured it's lightened pretty good. I wish my 10 bolt would hold up to a launch like that.

I think the biggest thing helping the mustang is its weight. Power is about same between the camaro/mustang. But weight is in some cases 400lbs difference.
As far as holding up i wish our trannies was better.

All the fastest Mustangs on the planet troll Camaro forums...interesting.

I'm still waiting for a 5.0 to wipe me out....sadly the guy I work that has one with won't race his bad ass 5.0 because it might break at the track.

Ford finally brought out a decent power plant, congrats.....but the Mustang bullshit really needs to end.

what are your best times at the track this year? any slips?

I think the biggest thing helping the mustang is its weight. Power is about same between the camaro/mustang. But weight is in some cases 400lbs difference.
As far as holding up i wish our trannies was better.

Yea i don't mean to thread jack but who made the new 5.0 trannies and why are they having so many problems so quickly??

Yea i don't mean to thread jack but who made the new 5.0 trannies and why are they having so many problems so quickly??


Pretty sure I read they were Getrag units.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADx2kpL9dDA

Thats at Cecil and I saw that run and the car. I was there with 2 bolt ons 5.0s. That car had a lot of weight taken out.

Yea i don't mean to thread jack but who made the new 5.0 trannies and why are they having so many problems so quickly??

Made in China. The ones I have worked on didn't have problems with the trannies just the clutch. If it were me and I was running one I would go auto with a 4400 stall and bolt ons. That car would fly.

Made in China. The ones I have worked on didn't have problems with the trannies just the clutch. If it were me and I was running one I would go auto with a 4400 stall and bolt ons. That car would fly.

An auto with big stall seems to really be the way to go.

Thats at Cecil and I saw that run and the car. I was there with 2 bolt ons 5.0s. That car had a lot of weight taken out.

I figured it was raped.

Lol at all the butt hurt 5th gen owners. I like both cars and own neither but would take the 5.0 over the fugly ass 5th gen all day, and I've only owned fbodies. Here's a fact for you 5th gen owners, the 5.0 has gone faster stock and been out less time....

Lol at all the butt hurt 5th gen owners. I like both cars and own neither but would take the 5.0 over the fugly ass 5th gen all day, and I've only owned fbodies. Here's a fact for you 5th gen owners, the 5.0 has gone faster stock and been out less time....

Are there any 5th gen in the 8s?

Are there any 5th gen in the 8s?
Looks like the Lingenfelter car went 8.99's.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gen-5-camaro-racing-tech-results/1302884-official-gen-5-camaro-1-4-mile-times-list.html

I figured it was raped.

Woodbine motorpsorts went 11.1 with bolt ones. Stock suspension besides LCA's. 3.73 gears and still full interior. Not bard if i say. Waiting to see what they do with cams and ported heads.

Show me a 5.0 running low 11's owned by an average joe. It seems like the 5.0's run a good half a second faster when they are ran by a shop.

Show me a 5.0 running low 11's owned by an average joe. It seems like the 5.0's run a good half a second faster when they are ran by a shop.
Im in the right lane and broke the tires lose. HE was gone. Basically full weight minus passenger seat. But he also has a cage to make up for no seat. He also dont have headers in this one. Or a boss intake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdf5kgINH0A

Im in the right lane and broke the tires lose. HE was gone. Basically full weight minus passenger seat. But he also has a cage to make up for no seat. He also dont have headers in this one. Or a boss intake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdf5kgINH0A

How have you survived this long?

Someone needs to give ohioborn80 a tijuana tooth pull.... Now matter how much some people will disagree, everyone knows that the 5.0 is badass. The mustang guys are just lucky the 5th gen Camaro is such a lard-ass because other wise it would actually be a competition at the strip.

Someone needs to give ohioborn80 a tijuana tooth pull.... Now matter how much some people will disagree, everyone knows that the 5.0 is badass. The mustang guys are just lucky the 5th gen Camaro is such a lard-ass because other wise it would actually be a competition at the strip.How have you survived this long?
Maybe you two missed his post below. I supplied what he wanted. You can hate as much as you want SS1129 but facts are facts. The guy wanted to see a car run low 11s that wasn't a shop car. Are you that scarred of the 5.0 and me cant help but comment on all my post. Hat eif you must im not worried about you or your car.

I will agree with you 408. Shed some weight off the Camaro it gets a lot more interesting. From what heard its suppose to lose some weight when refresh it up in 2014.



Show me a 5.0 running low 11's owned by an average joe. It seems like the 5.0's run a good half a second faster when they are ran by a shop.

I was refeing to your ability to just function daily. Cars aside I'm surprised you are smart enough to long on to ls1tech.

I was refeing to your ability to just function daily. Cars aside I'm surprised you are smart enough to long on to ls1tech.

:zzz:

I love how camaro's get but hurt and say well vette will kill it..Well cobra jet(8s from dealer) is faster then ever vette there is in production..SO what now?..GT500's are running low 11s with tires and high 11s without. Thats ZO6 times. new Supersnake they just got mid 11s street tires and in the 10s with tires....SO i think ford has it covered. But yes there is always some one faster with more money in the bank. More time on there hands.

god this dude is retarded... you mean the cobra jet as in the $90k+ gutted mustang body stuffed with ford racing parts? The one thats not street legal? Thank god they make enough of them for everybody in the united states...(technicality since theyll only make 50 so thats one per state right?). Sorry I think id rather spend a 100 grand on a car that can run 11s 24/7...that i can drive home....and to work.... and has 2 seats....and air conditioning....and power windows.....and has a bowtie on the front. Hes right though fellas im sure ford will come out with a factory mustang that will kick the shit out of a c6r and definitely win lemans 7 times......thats how ignorant it is to compare factory vehicles to race cars...

this 5.0 car should be compared to the zo6 cars. 5.0,s came with light weight rods, pistons, racing shorty headers, better heads and cams. 416 hp is not right....i have seen this cars put out around 390 hp at the wheels. they are at around 450hp at the crank and weight in at around 3400lb.

5.0 at 450hp at crank and around 3400lb. 12.6

zo6 are at 505 hp at crank and around 3300lb. 12.6

5th gen,s will catch up in the near future. 13.3

4th gen with a ls3 and headers....450hp at crank and around 3500lb. 12.6

what i have seen at the drag races. all stock...no dr,s

*who cares.......you want your car to beat another car ....put money in it......you will always run into another one that is faster.

this 5.0 car should be compared to the zo6 cars. 5.0,s came with light weight rods, pistons, racing shorty headers, better heads and cams. 416 hp is not right....i have seen this cars put out around 390 hp at the wheels. they are at around 450hp at the crank and weight in at around 3400lb.

5.0 at 450hp at crank and around 3400lb. 12.6

zo6 are at 505 hp at crank and around 3300lb. 12.6

5th gen,s will catch up in the near future. 13.3

4th gen with a ls3 and headers....450hp at crank and around 3500lb. 12.6

what i have seen at the drag races. all stock...no dr,s

*who cares.......you want your car to beat another car ....put money in it......you will always run into another one that is faster.

A Z06 runs a 12.6 and an LS3 vette with headers runs a 12.6 yet a stock 5.0 also runs a 12.6? You couldn't be further off. Are the Vette's running in the winter and the 5.0 going down hill?

If someone runs a 12.6 with a c6 zo6, they should be taken out of their car, pistol whipped and have to give their car to a capable driver.

I don't know were these guys get there info!

It is a competition at the strip, I have yet to be proven otherwise! Bolt on 5.0s around here run mid to low 12s with tires, stock low 13s to 12.80s. That is basically the same thing the 5th gens are running, I just ran 12.60 headers only add tires and Iam 12.30s! That's the same damn thing the stangs are doing in real life! Ohio has a fast 5.0 but that's not normal times around here, hate break it to you!

the only zo6 that i have seen run a 11.93 had Dr,s....all others ( stock ) are at around 12.6. A friend of my has a 02 camaro with a stock ls3 with headers and a tune...it has turn a best of 12.53 with stock tires. I did see a 5.0 automatic run a 12.62 ( stock ). i could not believe it but it was. the fastest 5th gen stock I have seen turn a 13.36....he then install Dr,s and turn a 12.96.
my car with 356hp at wheels turn a 12.83..street tires.

All this times are with average Joe,s....

It is a competition at the strip, I have yet to be proven otherwise! Bolt on 5.0s around here run mid to low 12s with tires, stock low 13s to 12.80s. That is basically the same thing the 5th gens are running, I just ran 12.60 headers only add tires and Iam 12.30s! That's the same damn thing the stangs are doing in real life! Ohio has a fast 5.0 but that's not normal times around here, hate break it to you!

Where are you running? What is the DA? 12.30@112 is what I did in my car with just tires nothing else. But my DA then was 200. Same car same night different driver went 12.1@114. Tune/cold air/gears ran 11.8@106 didn't get into 5th with DA of 250. Headers, tune, cold air, gears, Boss, catted x pipe and cat back went 11.80@118 with DA of 2900.


Car has been driven now to faster time but not by me to a better time(I am in Iraq). My tuner is doing some fine tuning with it while I waited on some parts. I don't count as me cause I am not driving. But with a DA of 1500 it went 11.5@119.

Car just came apart yesterday and is getting cams/drive shaft/clutch/E85 tune. Come dec-Feb hoping for some 10 sec passes.

If someone runs a 12.6 with a c6 zo6, they should be taken out of their car, pistol whipped and have to give their car to a capable driver.

HAHA I agree. I have seen Z06's run 12's. But I knew it wasn't the car just the idiot behind the wheel.

200ft lol! No wonder, we race in 2000 to 3000ft around here in the summer! This fall has been nothing but rain and I been to busy to hit the track, but the DA gets good here in the fall, if I ran at 200ft with tires I would be running bottom 12s too!

200ft lol! No wonder, we race in 2000 to 3000ft around here in the summer! This fall has been nothing but rain and I been to busy to hit the track, but the DA gets good here in the fall, if I ran at 200ft with tires I would be running bottom 12s too!
You don't under stand I did that with no other mods. Just tires. Show me a 5th gen that has did that. No othe rmods but tires and went bottom 12's. I care if you find one that has -2000 DA. Even with our 2900+ DA of summer I still went 11's. Hell it was 3200 and I went 11.9@117.

I cant show you that, no one has tried! And even the few that have put tires on a stocker cant drive worth a shit! Like I said before, I have NEVER seen a bolt-on stang run even 11.90s with tires, not saying you didnt or it cant be done because I am sure it can, but on avg. they run low 12s! I personally dont care that the 5.0 is a little faster, I am happy with my car and how it performs! All I need is tires and I am running with every 5.0 stang I have seen at the track in person with drag radials and bolt-ons and at this point thats good enough for me.

I cant show you that, no one has tried! And even the few that have put tires on a stocker cant drive worth a shit! Like I said before, I have NEVER seen a bolt-on stang run even 11.90s with tires, not saying you didnt or it cant be done because I am sure it can, but on avg. they run low 12s! I personally dont care that the 5.0 is a little faster, I am happy with my car and how it performs! All I need is tires and I am running with every 5.0 stang I have seen at the track in person with drag radials and bolt-ons and at this point thats good enough for me.

How far are you form Dayton Ohio?

damn the TC in the stangs does hardly anything at all. In my car its a big difference to say the least even shifting from 3rd to 4th it will cut power and bog it, lol.

I know i'm out of my leauge here but My G8 GT CAI and dynoed by livernois and i ran a new 5.0 automatic and the local 1/8th mile track. He said he had the same mods but instead of a dyno tune a hand held. and i got him by .12 sec not counting the diff in reaction. i'm proud for the stang they finally got something thats fast and likes mods. I have always loved the mustang vs camaro rival :) i'm glad its back.

I know i'm out of my leauge here but My G8 GT CAI and dynoed by livernois and i ran a new 5.0 automatic and the local 1/8th mile track. He said he had the same mods but instead of a dyno tune a hand held. and i got him by .12 sec not counting the diff in reaction. i'm proud for the stang they finally got something thats fast and likes mods. I have always loved the mustang vs camaro rival :) i'm glad its back.


The only reason you think your out of your league here is because you just read more fairy tales than at a Grimm's convention. THERE NOT REAL.

Your post is believable and probably the truth, but I have to say it really doesn't fit this thread. If you edit your post and claim to beat him by 2 seconds in the 1/8 it would fit right in.

Oh it wouldn't hurt to start it with "Once upon a time" like the other posts should have started with. Here's an example.

Once upon a time I had a 10 second car with only bolts on's. It was powered with fairy dust and had ginger bread wheels.

I know i'm out of my leauge here but My G8 GT CAI and dynoed by livernois and i ran a new 5.0 automatic and the local 1/8th mile track. He said he had the same mods but instead of a dyno tune a hand held. and i got him by .12 sec not counting the diff in reaction. i'm proud for the stang they finally got something thats fast and likes mods. I have always loved the mustang vs camaro rival :) i'm glad its back.

I had full exhuast/dyno tune by Pat G, cold air, UDP and DR's on my G8 an lost to a tire/cold air only 5.0. Next pass I talked shit, He got cocky and I sprayed him so hard I think he decided to stop racing that night. LOL

My latest experiences with the 5.0:

A buddy of mine ran a 12.9 bone stock on the stock CS tires. It's a 6 speed with a 2.1 60'.

Also I saw a modded CS running 12.1's at the track. It was a 6 speed on a tire with at least a catless mid, mufflers, tune and intake. Not sure about headers.

They are quick cars but I still have not witnessed one live up to the hype. In comparison my stock LS2 Vette on an ET street with a basic tune went 12.48, same as my full bolt-on LS3 SS.

It's always the same with Ford. They slip the press/car mags a ringer car for the promotionals and every FoMoCo fanboy has the new Mustang running 9s with CAI exhaust and tire. The only exception to that seems to be the new Shelby. People that can afford the new Shelby can afford to sue Ford for false performance claims.

It's always the same with Ford. They slip the press/car mags a ringer car for the promotionals and every FoMoCo fanboy has the new Mustang running 9s with CAI exhaust and tire. The only exception to that seems to be the new Shelby. People that can afford the new Shelby can afford to sue Ford for false performance claims.right...because GM has never done that:eyes:

right...because GM has never done that:eyes:

I am not saying GM hasn't. I am saying Ford is notorious for it.

I am not saying GM hasn't. I am saying Ford is notorious for it.

Really??? Give me an example. If i can remember correctly, Al O. was talking out his ass about the ZL1, Z06, and ZR1 only TO FIND OUT THE ZL1 IS NOT THE GT500 KILLER IT WAS INTENDED TO BE. I actually love the way SVT is carrying on about their business and not talking sh!t..and thats coming from a GM homer.

You don't remember the Mach I launch? Ford admitted sending the promo car to Roush to be "tweaked" prior to the press testing it.

Ok, is that as bad as GM not testing the ZL1 against the GT500 @ Inde? Considering Al O. promised it would kill the Shelby. But it was more convenient to try the Boss LS since it was down 140hp. That kinda reminds me of a guy talking smack to another guy only to pick a fight with the smaller brother knowning he would win....

The point is Chevrolet isn't selling the car based on performance that you can't get off the show room floor. And as it stands now Ford is trying to market the Shelby versus the Zr1 Corvette anyway. When the ZL1 productio was announced Ford imediately started the new motor program to get the Shelby to 650hp at a much higher price. Should Chevy run the Zr1 with the same power, 400 lbs less weight and a wider tire, against it the Shelby is toast. Market segment wise the Leguna Seca Boss is the competition for the ZL1 now.

Should Chevy run the Zr1 with the same power, 400 lbs less weight and a wider tire, against it the Shelby is toast.

but how you gonna get that car there?

The ZL1, not the ZR1, is a direct competitor for the GT500o matter what ford or GM says. In that comparison the ZL1 doesn't have a chance.

The ZL1, not the ZR1, is a direct competitor for the GT500o matter what ford or GM says. In that comparison the ZL1 doesn't have a chance.

its so sad. seemed like they really tried their best though. anyone see the hitler video on youtube?

hey dark you gonna dump that shitty intake manifold and see what it runs. im really curious to see what they do with a decent intake and everything else being stock. i would guess it would be close to a LS3.

They didn't try their best. If they offered the LSA with a forged bottom end and a TVS 2300 and did more weight reduction on the car then they would have tried their best.

They didn't try their best. If they offered the LSA with a forged bottom end and a TVS 2300 and did more weight reduction on the car then they would have tried their best.

obviously that would be better, anyone can throw on parts and do more weight reduction but that costs money and i doubt they would be on target with the current budget.

When you start with a shit platform you can't expect much. The ZL1 is a joke when comparing other cars in the price range.

hey dark you gonna dump that shitty intake manifold and see what it runs. im really curious to see what they do with a decent intake and everything else being stock. i would guess it would be close to a LS3.
I'm not replacing the manifold yet and when I do it won't be as stock anymore. I have headers and a stall going in this week. Also when I replace the intake it will most likely be with an LS3 so heads will be going on too.