Street Racing & Kill Stories - stockish viper vs built GTR's

My vipers apart and awaiting a mild cam install..Got bored so I re-edited some old kills of mine...Enjoy....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSZ8-mcdCdc


*DISCLAIMER* The white GTR murders me everytime by three car lengths from 67-140 on his race gas setting of 800 awhp...But pump gas like this we have good battles from 70 mph rolls....

Hopefully the cam and a few more bolt ons will even things up a lil

Video sucked man ! Cars were nice though.

LOL. Killemall, you crack me up. That GTR on race gas and 800 whp put 5 city blocks on you, as it should have.

on race gas hell yea he whooped my ass..But pump at 680 rwhp is a differant story. being that 90% of the time he's on pump Im pretty happy...Gotta do it again with my hi def camera thats back up now

Did you watch this video on your computer and record it with your cell phone?

The only thing I cared to look at was your video on how your Viper has been in the shop for 2 months... that blows

The only thing I cared to look at was your video on how your Viper has been in the shop for 2 months... that blows

TRY MORE LIKE 3 MONTHS


I was haveing a misfire so I took the car to the dealer after I ordered some nice yellow spark plugs abnd wires..They then saw the the misfire was from a part of the engine...No big deal...but I have 100% warranty on this car and I wanted the item fixed under warranty..

So then I went to virginia for a month..

Came back from virginia and my car was still at the dealership and they hadnt done anything and wouldnt till I came and looked at the car. So i go there and some big wig says that they wont fix it undewr warranty..because the part that broke is aftermarket..

i then say. This part was recommended by you guys and came from your division Arrow raceing that fixs your broken viper engines under warranty and was installed by you guys and as well you guys said because it was a dodge part purchased from a dodge LLC and installed by dodge it would be under the warranty..

Unfortunetly the dodge dealership that said and installed ect. closed down in 2009. As well Arrow raceing is now under new management and even though they still do the Viper warranty work for chrysler they no longer warranty there parts through chysler..

So I spent another month arguing with dodge big wigs on how Im being screwed ect...

So the bottom line was that while they wouldnt honer my warranty they would go from there usual hourly rate of 125$ an hour to 85$ an hour. With that said I decided to order some more MOPAR performance parts for my viper and have them install at the cheaper rate...But Ive spent another month waiting for all the parts to come in...

Arrow racing sent me the replacement part free of charge 6 weeks ago and I could have honestly fixed it myself in about 20 minutes. It was just a broken screw..But I wanted the extra power with some mods. At this point after 3 months though I really wish I would have just told them to fix it..

Fuck Dodge..Only thing I ever liked from them was the Viper and diesel rams

Did you watch this video on your computer and record it with your cell phone?

Yes...I only had my crappy cell phone videos of maybe 20 seconds with me raceing the white one and the silver one...Then I saw his video of him claiming to rape me with 680 awhp on pump when really he was on race at 800..So to be funny/spiteful I copied our other racing vids that he actually did a awesom job creating and added my footage of my wins.

made my very crappy cell phone footage at leaste have a decent presentation despite all still being kinda fuzzy as the mortal combat and angles showing my car ect were copied off youtube..

Swear I won those last two races and Ill be more than happy to do it again. Those were awesome door to door races..

Now race gas and HOLY SHIET!!!!! BEASTLY...3-4 cars by just 130 mph no problem. Dosent matter what gear I start in LOL

Sucks about the car Killemall, but so does the vid.

heres the video from the GTR's perspective the same day i raced them....Look at the vid and you can clearly see my viper in the side mirror at the 35 second mark..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_LT1qoqHjo

Now you gotta wonder why the vid of them raceing my viper isnt in the video. My thought is that it is kinda embarrassing for a 475 rwhp viper to be hanging with or beating a 605 and 680 awhp GTR...I asked and I was told they didnt get the vids because my viper was on the left side. fair enough. Were friends so I will leave it at that..

But I did get the footage that you see in the vid I posted

Yes...I only had my crappy cell phone videos of maybe 20 seconds with me raceing the white one and the silver one...Then I saw his video of him claiming to rape me with 680 awhp on pump when really he was on race at 800..So to be funny/spiteful I copied our other racing vids that he actually did a awesom job creating and added my footage of my wins.

made my very crappy cell phone footage at leaste have a decent presentation despite all still being kinda fuzzy as the mortal combat and angles showing my car ect were copied off youtube..

Swear I won those last two races and Ill be more than happy to do it again. Those were awesome door to door races..

Now race gas and HOLY SHIET!!!!! BEASTLY...3-4 cars by just 130 mph no problem. Dosent matter what gear I start in LOL

Ok just checking. I dont doubt anything you have posted just the videos looked a little "fucked up". :)

heres the origional story with him on race gas and rsky as the filmer...one dyno said he had like 740 awhp on race and another said he had 800 awhp..I dont know..All I know is he was on race when he raped me in that vid posted as pump gas..

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1292662-2010700-rwhp-gtr-vs-476-rwhp-2003-viper.html

Why is this thread here?

That video is a PIECE OF SHIT.

You jumping out for one second and then cutting the video does not count for anything.

Why is this thread here?

That video is a PIECE OF SHIT.

You jumping out for one second and then cutting the video does not count for anything.

+1............this thread sucks :sack:

stop hateing..I beat them and id bet money you couldnt. hate crimes man..dang...beat even a stock one and then get back to me..

post this on the viper board and youll get the nutswingers your looking for. Its cool to see races but weve seen you constantly post the same shit over and over again. re-edited this, heres what happened this time. No one cares.

433 views and 8 posts that weren't your own. get the message.

*feels like bumpin all my kills*



who wants page 1 full if slobalt whuppins? huh huh?
:lol:

CTS-V...I wish i could race you and put 3 cars on ya..Then there would be lil left to say...Even with 500 rwhp youd be lucky to trapp high teens in that monte carlo..

Race some decent get a vid and then talk as much as you want

CTS-V...I re edited this one for you..a 3400 pound supercharged M3 at 450 rwhp...Id probally just stay in third gear for you as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzFeBmLT0xI

CTS-V...I wish i could race you and put 3 cars on ya..Then there would be lil left to say...Even with 500 rwhp youd be lucky to trapp high teens in that monte carlo..

Race some decent get a vid and then talk as much as you want

Cool story bro. I dont mind getting beat it happens(just like you getting walked by the same GTRs), but you dont see me posting the same damn races 5 times, re-editing them and making people listen to me talk about everything while i videotape sideways.

You also dont see me going 100mph with a kid in the car like you have in previous vids. I could careless if you wreck and kill yourself but its pure stupidity to put a child in the car at the same time just cause you wanna show someone how big your c**k is.

blah blah blah....If someone calls me a liar I will defend my honer. Couple haters said Im lying about my kills. Thats why there is so much about it...Honestly youd think a vid of me fender to fender with a cammed C6Z06 from 70-150 mph would be enough...But nope..Haters gotta hate I guess?

A hater will follow you around and discredit your achievments because thy have none. Observe I dont even know what other threads youve posted in other than you coming to mine??? Just sayin..No one makes you come. You choose to on your own..

For the RECORD beating modded GTR's is pretty nice. Theyre arent many vids of 600 plus GTR's getten beat on the net and Im proud to contribute to atleaste a few wins from the american side. They shift perfectly and have zero spin with next to no lagg. They are what turboed imports should have been from the beginning

stop hateing..I beat them and id bet money you couldnt. hate crimes man..dang...beat even a stock one and then get back to me..

Right, because owning a faster car than someone else means you are better.

Any moron with a big enough checkbook can go and buy a fast car. Who gives a fuck.



For the RECORD beating modded GTR's is pretty nice. Theyre arent many vids of 600 plus GTR's getten beat on the net and Im proud to contribute to atleaste a few wins from the american side. They shift perfectly and have zero spin with next to no lagg. They are what turboed imports should have been from the beginning

I've yet to see a race in which you clearly beat a GT-R.

One second jumps DO NOT COUNT.

post this on the viper board and youll get the nutswingers your looking for. Its cool to see races but weve seen you constantly post the same shit over and over again. re-edited this, heres what happened this time. No one cares.

433 views and 8 posts that weren't your own. get the message.

CTS-V...I wish i could race you and put 3 cars on ya..Then there would be lil left to say...Even with 500 rwhp youd be lucky to trapp high teens in that monte carlo..

Race some decent get a vid and then talk as much as you want

This is your response to the itsslow98's post? Seriously? You post the same damn races 9849!9848@949459***37474 times and when people tell you they don't care anymore your reply is, I wish I could race you because that would shut you up?

Oh yeah, your video footage of your computer screen sucks the balls. That it all.

Damn OP. I didn't think I could hate Vipers even more! Get that shit out of here lol.











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blah blah blah....If someone calls me a liar I will defend my honer. Couple haters said Im lying about my kills. Thats why there is so much about it...Honestly youd think a vid of me fender to fender with a cammed C6Z06 from 70-150 mph would be enough...But nope..Haters gotta hate I guess?

A hater will follow you around and discredit your achievments because thy have none. Observe I dont even know what other threads youve posted in other than you coming to mine??? Just sayin..No one makes you come. You choose to on your own..
Killemall,

1. That blows your car has been down for that long and you've been dealing with warranty BS with Dodge. Dealers suck the majority of the time. Best of luck with getting it figured out

2. People are hating on you because you talk up Vipers TOO much. We get you love your car and are happy with it - be more modest about it. I used to enjoy your posts, but as of late, all you've been doing is nutswinging the Viper - we get its an awesome car - I would hope something that expensive IS an awesome car.

If you want people to quit discrediting your posts and "hating" on you, show some more modesty and quit nutswinging on the Viper with the knowledge that 99.5% of the people on this forum will never purchase a Viper, even if they could afford to. If you want to preach to people who care, there is a Viper forum for that

Why was this thread bumped?

Why was this thread bumped?

Because Killemall needs his ego stroked every so often.

Because Killemall needs his ego stroked every so often.

he seems cool except for his "that car only runs 115mph in th 1/4, shame, how slow" or and other comments like that.

he seems cool except for his "that car only runs 115mph in th 1/4, shame, how slow" or and other comments like that.

i agree, and its even funnier knowing that many on here would drag him all over :)

^^^^Yeah we love ya kill, but what these guys up here said man. ^^^^

omg this video is awful..

omg this video is awful..

Wait, you don't think it shows the viper decisively killing GTRs with 200whp more?


:jest:

Killemall,

Why are you becoming more dillusional year after year? First, you had a major insecurity problem with the fact that a C6 Z06 is faster than you, and now you are claiming that you are faster than a 680 rwhp GTR in your 475 rwhp Viper??

Come on dude, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!! Here is the video of you racing that 680 rwhp GTR with a passenger, vs. Your Viper with just you and consistently cheating and jumping the GTR (intentionaly I am sure, since you know it would be just a matter of RPM before the GTR flys by you)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2WGSKlVNu4&feature=related

Are you or anyone else going to honestly watch this video above and with all sanity say that your car is faster than this pump gas, 680 rwhp GTR? That car is out of your league, and on race gas, it would be in a different Zip code! (not only 3-4 cars like you mentioned)

Come on man, seriously.......

This thread is legit. Offtopic here is a video of me beating a crotch rocket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN8lTV5_Evw

Fadi...arent you the same guy who had a slightly modded c6z06 and raced a gts viper and got beat..then you came to the viper forums and said...hey...whos head and cammed 520 rwhp viper gts did i race and showed the video...then you looked like an idiot when it ended up being a bolt on gts at like 450 rwhp....

for the hundreth time that video is him on race gas...rsky is in the freaking car with the video camera saying go!

i beat him fair and square on pump starting from 70 mph and nothing is taking that away. just like you had a hard time belieaving a bolt on gts viper beat your z06 i dont expect you to belieave this...but guess what...both events happenned and it was sweet watching you make an ass of yourself on the viper forums talking about a head and cammed viper or atleaste 520 rwhp viper ect and it was mid 400s...lol

I raced a 2003 Viper when my car was cam only. The first race was funny as he got cocky and waved me to take the jump. It was a one sided race to say the least :lol:

After that we raced 4 more with even starts and he beat me by a little over a car each time. After the races he asked me if my car was supercharged...

I've been looking for another one to run with my current setup so I can get my revenge :devil:

I raced a 2003 Viper when my car was cam only. The first race was funny as he got cocky and waved me to take the jump. It was a one sided race to say the least :lol:

After that we raced 4 more with even starts and he beat me by a little over a car each time. After the races he asked me if my car was supercharged...

I've been looking for another one to run with my current setup so I can get my revenge :devil:

ive got a gray one in my subdivision who has always ignored me......im gona do my damnest this spring now that i have a 100 shot on my h/c hugger :)

fings crossed!

for the hundreth time that video is him on race gas...rsky is in the freaking car with the video camera saying go!

i beat him fair and square on pump starting from 70 mph and nothing is taking that awayl

Then why does the video say:

GTR 680WHP ON PUMP VS VIPER 475WHP ON PUMP

Fadi...arent you the same guy who had a slightly modded c6z06 and raced a gts viper and got beat..then you came to the viper forums and said...hey...whos head and cammed 520 rwhp viper gts did i race and showed the video...then you looked like an idiot when it ended up being a bolt on gts at like 450 rwhp....

for the hundreth time that video is him on race gas...rsky is in the freaking car with the video camera saying go!

i beat him fair and square on pump starting from 70 mph and nothing is taking that away. just like you had a hard time belieaving a bolt on gts viper beat your z06 i dont expect you to belieave this...but guess what...both events happenned and it was sweet watching you make an ass of yourself on the viper forums talking about a head and cammed viper or atleaste 520 rwhp viper ect and it was mid 400s...lol

It is ironically funny hearing you say anything about the Viper alley. You are Viperalley's biggest bitch and the funny thing is, that is a Viper board with enthusiasts that have the same car you do! What does that say about you? LOL..

I have grown up a lot since the ViperAlley posting days. You on the other hand, it seems like you are only growing by age while your brain development stays on par with that of a 3 yr old.

The video I posted is clearer than ever. When you tried to cheat against the 680 awhp GTR, you got beat. When you went on even honks, you got walked. Anyway you look at it, you got your ass handed to you like you were missing a few cylinders - all while you being alone and the already heavier GTR having a passenger. Here, let me remind you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2WGSKlVNu4&feature=related

But keep on living it up in LALA land, as I understand believing your own fantasys is the only way you could ever feel better about your self.

^^^^Owned. LOL, look at him trying to jump out every run

Fadi telling it like it is. Killemall I think you should stop before you get another smackdown like you have gotten in the past. I'm sure you remember what I am talking about.

Most of those races, it looks like Killemall just shut down soon after the GT-R passed him.

Most of those races, it looks like Killemall just shut down soon after the GT-R passed him.

No....he was just getting pulled that hard.

Haha, well yeah it was obvious he was getting passed REAL fast.

It is ironically funny hearing you say anything about the Viper alley. You are Viperalley's biggest bitch and the funny thing is, that is a Viper board with enthusiasts that have the same car you do! What does that say about you? LOL..


I know its off topic but please post up a link... :lol:

In Killmall's defense Runs 1,2,4 I was @ 750whp on c16...Runs 3,5,6 were @ 680whp on pump...

The reason he got the hit on me on runs 1 and 2, I was starting in 3rd @ 50ish should have been in 2nd :bang:...I just got the car couple hours earlier from the docks and didn't know what 750ponies felt like so played it conservative that day..

As far as the 70mph roll which he claimed to have won...Well, we will agree to disagree about that one...Please don't post back bout this one Killmall...Save it for later..

Didn't mean to keep this story going for like the 10,000,001 time...Just trying to lower my amigos blood pressure:emb:
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All runs were filmed in Mexico on a closed course with professional drivers.

In Killmall's defense Runs 1,2,4 I was @ 750whp on c16...Runs 3,5,6 were @ 680whp on pump...

The reason he got the hit on me on runs 1 and 2, I was starting in 3rd @ 50ish should have been in 2nd :bang:...I just got the car couple hours earlier from the docks and didn't know what 750ponies felt like so played it conservative that day..

As far as the 70mph roll which he claimed to have won...Well, we will agree to disagree about that one...Please don't post back bout this one Killmall...Save it for later..

Didn't mean to keep this story going for like the 10,000,001 time...Just trying to lower my amigos blood pressure:emb:
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All runs were filmed in Mexico on a closed course with professional drivers.

LOL so the only races in which he pulled hard at the beginning were when you were in the wrong gear... :D

I don't see any legitimate wins at all for the Viper in that vid. :bang:

Thanks noobinator.....

to the 1992Awd..i never said i beat him on race or pump starting at 50..i clearly said mant times on race he could destroy me by 4 cars from 50 to 130 mph and on pump it was 2 cars from 50 to 130 mph...:ut on pump starting at 70...well as noob said we agree to disagree and we will have some fun battles...and i leave it at that. i will remove the vid from my sig till we run again and are in agreement on the outcome.

thank ill replace it with my cammed z06 vid...lol...

^^^^and its people like this guy that fucks it up for everyone.

most epic threads arent epic till u hit 6 pages......this on peaked at 3.

most epic threads arent epic till u hit 6 pages......this on peaked at 3.

Climaxing too early, story of Killemall's life.

Climaxing too early, story of Killemall's life.

:lol:

but the thread wasn't on race gas so not sure why it pulled so hard :secret2:

hey I already proved that the vid wasnt pump gas. That was my argument...Some said I was a liar ect...The maker of the vid aknwowledged that at leaste half of them were actually on race gas. And trust me the GTR is a totally differant animal on race gas..

Nothing else to say here until we go again both with hi def cameras and no crappy phone footage..Both recording despite what side the other vehicle is on and both clearly stateing what our power levels are.

Peace

if you guys can afford these cars, BUY A DAMN NICE VIDEO CAMERA

these videos completely suck asshole.

the whole street fighter intro was beyond Homo.

hey I already proved that the vid wasnt pump gas. That was my argument...Some said I was a liar ect...The maker of the vid aknwowledged that at leaste half of them were actually on race gas. And trust me the GTR is a totally differant animal on race gas..

Nothing else to say here until we go again both with hi def cameras and no crappy phone footage..Both recording despite what side the other vehicle is on and both clearly stateing what our power levels are.

Peace

Juice that bad boy with a 150 shot. I think you'll pull him on pump gas and it'll be a good run when he's on C16 :chug:

All runs were filmed in Mexico on a closed course with professional drivers.
its still illegal to break the law in another country. Im not sure why people keep posting stupid shit like that.

if you guys can afford these cars, BUY A DAMN NICE VIDEO CAMERA

these videos completely suck asshole.

the whole street fighter intro was beyond Homo.

I agree and KILLEMALL please mute the camera when you start recording, we cant stand to listen to you blabber about your viper with 470 SAE Raw wheel horsepower and play by play the entire race afterwards.

This is like the 5th time you've posted these races. How many threads do you need? Honestly it's getting really old.

its still illegal to break the law in another country. Im not sure why people keep posting stupid shit like that.

All runs were filmed on Uranus

blah blah blah....If someone calls me a liar I will defend my honer. Couple haters said Im lying about my kills. Thats why there is so much about it...Honestly youd think a vid of me fender to fender with a cammed C6Z06 from 70-150 mph would be enough...But nope..Haters gotta hate I guess?


Taken from the following
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1362755-videos-mark-iv-supra-vs-c6-corvette-6.html#post14234364
Lighning teg.....I find that word offensive..Can you please remove the N word you posted..im half black and maybe you are mixed too..though in your vid you appeared to be asian...despite that even if we were both from africa and looked like wesley snipes or SHAQ I would still ask you to take it down...THANKS


From the Risky video (where killemall loses repeatedly I might add)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/wditton/averagewhiteboy.jpg

So, ummm, explain that little *white* lie right there homeboy!

I have noticed a lot of Vipers are like some Supra guys under 6 feet tall-they hate to lose and refuse to run from a dig

Wonder why a Viper owner would be afraid to run from a dig with all that torque :confused: It's a V10 for gosh sakes. From what i've seen they run HARD from a dig on a good tire.

Wonder why a Viper owner would be afraid to run from a dig with all that torque :confused: It's a V10 for gosh sakes. From what i've seen they run HARD from a dig on a good tire.

havnt u heard?
the raw whee torque is hard to control. :)

Axle hop and traction problems I guess???

havnt u heard?
the raw whee torque is hard to control. :)

:funny:

Axle hop and traction problems I guess???

Dude please. :eyes:

havnt u heard?
the raw whee torque is hard to control. :)

Someone has gotta fill me in on where this raw wheel horsepower inside joke came from. :ripped:

Killemall has lost control of past vipers and crashed them because he said they are too hard to drive.

Killemall has lost control of past vipers and crashed them because he said they are too hard to drive.

I figured that, but didn't want to say it. Did he ever use that term "Raw" though? That would be pretty damn epic.

Killemall has lost control of past vipers and crashed them because he said they are too hard to drive.

really?? is it THAT hard to control 450rwhp on 335tires??

It was a huge topic about a year or two ago. Unit was giving him hell along with others. I actually felt bad for him and stood up alittle for him...wow was I wrong.

I figured that, but didn't want to say it. Did he ever use that term "Raw" though? That would be pretty damn epic.

Yes, I was one of the first (if not the first) to get him to actually say "RAW" on this board.

:eek2:

800 rwhp?

That thing must have like 1600 awhp!!!

:chug:

;)

lol i know ive read and heard him say Rear wheel horsepower 20 times already. maybe you should test his rear wheel drive traction from a dig and see how you do.

raw wheel horse power you clowns..

You know the power it puts to the ground..i never said rear ect..
raw wheel horse power (rwhp) is what Im talking about..

freaken ricers man...

RAW wheel horsepower?? :jest:

I didn't realize "raw" was a technical term...

:engarde:

To be honest, I've never heard the term "raw wheel horsepower."

I think (and hope) it was a joke to cover up his mistake.

Well in the video, it sounds like he is saying "raw wheel horsepower" the entire time.

LOL..looks like he made the word up to save face in front of the "ricers" as he called them.

Please tell me that was a joke. If so, that's pretty funny. If not...well...that's pretty funny. ;jest:

2,010,700rwhp?!!?!?!?!? :eek2::eek2: holy shit!



dear lord i hope so :lol: i was mention how horrible his verbal abilities were...


but seriously, that video was :gay: next time, just post the race adn not the 7 hour backgroudn story behind your car and your opinions on what will happen. kthx

not trying to be harsh but i though it was an accent or speech impedement in the video when he was saying "rear"

raw wheel horespower=ricer


http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1292662-2010700-rwhp-gtr-vs-476-rwhp-2003-viper-4.html#post13466749

Yes, I was one of the first (if not the first) to get him to actually say "RAW" on this board.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1292662-2010700-rwhp-gtr-vs-476-rwhp-2003-viper-4.html#post13466749

Holy crap, that is so sig worthy :)

really?? is it THAT hard to control 450rwhp on 335tires??


Says the guy with the boat....

I have noticed a lot of Vipers are like some Supra guys under 6 feet tall-they hate to lose and refuse to run from a dig

yes Im under 6 feet. But arent most of us???? Hate to lose. Id rather loose than just rape eveyone...My lil 500 rwhp 3300 pound car aint nonthing to bragg about on these boards but in real life encounters it rapes everything..So these pre arranged duels with BADA$$ cars are a welcome change...

Actually im pretty damn good from a dig. Weve all an at the same location useing the same testing gear...So far Im the fastest. Then again I have wayy more practice..

People laugh but bottom line is the viper is the most wrecked exotic in the world..Maybe only 450 rwhp. But 500 rwt at VERY low rpm's..The 505 ci V10 makes tourque so fast that I cant really explain it..RSKY's C6Z06 only now feels as tourquey as my viper did stock and he has 520 rwhp from cam and minor bolt ons...Actually the 490 rwt I had stock I think is still higher than what he has after the cam and minor mods..But it does feel close now..

Go drive one and then tell me. Everyone comments on the tourque. I dont care what kinda car/power your used too..

While the tourque is very fun. It is also very dangerous. For streetraceing puposes I prefer the C6Z06 or GTR...The power comes on gradulally and starts screaming as you get in higher rpm's. With vipers the power is immediate and then dies out as you past 5000 rpm's..Good for fun but bad for street raceing. Honestly it kinda sucks for street raceing...40 mph rolls should be started in first gear. But it is impossible to acellerate at 40 mph in first gear even with only 512 rwt...So second gear is used...It sucks....When I was younger I would be more ballsy and say screw it an start at 40-50 mph in first gear...Helped me win some races I thought I wouldnt but ultimately I wrecked two vipers doing that...

Yea I started the tem raw wheel HP...I get so sick and tired of typing rwhp or awhp or fwhp...How about just the raw power put to the wheels?????Laugh it up..But I think Im on to somthing here. Or maybe not:bang:


To the racial stuff....I am what i am. makes no differance what I look like...My moms black and indian and my dads white and indian. Everyone thinks im Puertirican???? Just dont want this board degenertaed to the level of honda boards were they use the "N" word to replace the word "friend/enemy ect" Stop it early..

As the great Carlos Spicy Weiner said....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrrtQ79HGI

Yea I started the tem raw wheel HP...I get so sick and tired of typing rwhp or awhp or fwhp...How about just the raw power put to the wheels?????Laugh it up..But I think Im on to somthing here. Or maybe not:bang:




Not. Definitely not.

Says the guy with the boat....

Says the guy with the souped up $200 1983 mulletmobile. What does the size of my car have tO do with anything?

Says the guy with the souped up $200 1983 mulletmobile.

Ok, I LOL'd :lol:

Today's lesson from crashemall. Torque sucks for street racing even though torque is what gets a car moving and horsepower is a function of torque and RPM. WTF doesn't even begin to question that post. I am now completely convinced you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You crashed two Vipers because you can't drive not because of some magical and overwhelming torque. Damn. Get a damn grip and learn some shit before you attack another keyboard with your idiocy.

Id hate to see killemall drive a car with nitrous, all that instant raw wheel torque would surely push the car directly into a guard rail.

Today's lesson from crashemall. Torque sucks for street racing even though torque is what gets a car moving and horsepower is a function of torque and RPM. WTF doesn't even begin to question that post. I am now completely convinced you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You crashed two Vipers because you can't drive not because of some magical and overwhelming torque. Damn. Get a damn grip and learn some shit before you attack another keyboard with your idiocy.

Just....damn :stupid:

Says the guy with the boat....

Says the guy with the souped up $200 1983 mulletmobile. What does the size of my car have tO do with anything?

Aw c'mon you two, you both have cool rides-let's stay focused on that raw-horse-wheel thing!

Id hate to see killemall drive a car with nitrous, all that instant raw wheel torque would surely push the car directly into a guard rail.

You can't build a nitrous car that has more raw wheel torque than his V10 American exotic Viper. :gtfo: with that shit

Today's lesson from crashemall. Torque sucks for street racing even though torque is what gets a car moving and horsepower is a function of torque and RPM. WTF doesn't even begin to question that post. I am now completely convinced you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You crashed two Vipers because you can't drive not because of some magical and overwhelming torque. Damn. Get a damn grip and learn some shit before you attack another keyboard with your idiocy.

To be fair, low end torque is pretty useless in street racing. You want a decent amount of torque at higher RPM (guess what HORSEPOWER is?) to be faster.

A good high RPM horsepower (torque + RPM) curve is ALWAYS more important than a good low RPM torque (just torque) curve for racing. The faster your engine is spinning, the more times it can reproduce that torque in a certain amount of time (provided your engine flows well enough to make the torque at high RPM).

I am guessing you are refering to roll racing, at least I hope you are. Roll racing isn't the only way to get down and when I actively street raced it didn't happen that often. Torque is still relevent even in roll racing unless you are doing high mph rolls.

To be fair, low end torque is pretty useless in street racing. You want a decent amount of torque at higher RPM (guess what HORSEPOWER is?) to be faster.

A good high RPM horsepower (torque + RPM) curve is ALWAYS more important than a good low RPM torque (just torque) curve for racing. The faster your engine is spinning, the more times it can reproduce that torque in a certain amount of time (provided your engine flows well enough to make the torque at high RPM).

It depends on the complete setup of the car. Mainly motor and gearing of the transmission and rear. Look at the C6 Z06, it has long gears but has alot of torque. Same thing with the 03/04 Cobra. But then look at a Ferrari. No balls down low but is geared to hell. Same thing with most 4 cylinders.

I would honestly rather stay in gears longer while making power than be constantly grabbing for gears. Sadly all of my cars are gears to the moon. :lol: Oh well, if you can't make more power than the LS1's atleast you can out gear them

No matter what, torque (read; power) at the higher rpms is what it's about. Even with drag racing, your car is almost never at low rpms. The Z06 has great torque down low, but also has fantastic power up top.

I was making the assumption that the car was set up properly for its intended task.

No matter what, torque (read; power) at the higher rpms is what it's about. Even with drag racing, your car is almost never at low rpms. The Z06 has great torque down low, but also has fantastic power up top.

Again...it depends. A bolt on Mach 1 is going to be short shifting to stay in its powerband. So is a HCI stock uncut piston 5.0.

Yep. And if you want to go faster than bolt-ons (like heads/cams), it's going to shift the powerband higher in the rpm range. A car is more useful if it can make use of the upper ranges of its rpm capability.

Yep but IF the car can make close to the same amount of power down low that it does up top it will be faster.

Well of course a broad powerband always helps. But "low rpm" torque isn't what does it. It's midrange.

I agree

Says the guy with the souped up $200 1983 mulletmobile. What does the size of my car have tO do with anything?

Lack of power and weight leads me to believe that you have no problem putting power down. An underpowered convertible Titanic owner giving us insight about a V10 not being able to put “raw wheel horsepower and raw wheel torque” to the pavement :eyes:. I’m just saying, putting down 200rwhp & 250rwtq in a 3 ton boat is easier than putting down 500rwhp & 500rwtq in 3300lbs sports car.

I'm really jealous, let me know if you ever want to sell it
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/3122/1061/7803030004_large.jpg



I agree, my mullet mobile is a money pit should have just bought a cute yellow convertible 2V mustang.:chug:

I believe the original point was the amount of torque not where it occurs. We can what if it to death but the fact remains if your engine doesn't make good torque its probably not going to make good power unless you spin the piss out of it. Most people aren't going to build a street car, with a v8 anyway, that has to spin past 7500 rpm to make power.

Lack of power and weight leads me to believe that you have no problem putting power down. An underpowered convertible Titanic owner giving us insight about a V10 not being able to put “raw wheel horsepower and raw wheel torque” to the pavement :eyes:. I’m just saying, putting down 200rwhp & 250rwtq in a 3 ton boat is easier than putting down 500rwhp & 500rwtq in 3300lbs sports car.

I'm not going to jump to conclusions about his car (like you), but I imagine his car makes a pretty good amount of torque/power as well, based on this post from another thread...
i agree, i have cutouts on my galaxie but never open them on the street. Theyre way too "look at me" loud and only should be used on a track or seriously fast car. They might also be extremely loud because the size of my engine (533ci) cuz ive had cutouts before but dont remember them being this abnoxious.
Probably does pretty well. That's an ~8.6l V8, which obviously isn't stock.
I believe the original point was the amount of torque not where it occurs. We can what if it to death but the fact remains if your engine doesn't make good torque its probably not going to make good power unless you spin the piss out of it. Most people aren't going to build a street car, with a v8 anyway, that has to spin past 7500 rpm to make power.
Usually, no. But I'm sure the new 5.0 Mustangs are going to be running around that rpm once aftermarket heads/cams combos start popping up.

I'm not going to jump to conclusions about his car (like you), but I imagine his car makes a pretty good amount of torque/power as well, based on this post from another thread...

Probably does pretty well. That's an ~8.6l V8, which obviously isn't stock.



Didn't want to go through his post to stalk him, so thanks for the info. You win, but its still a Titanic and uglier than a 74 Mustang. :engarde:

I read the threads, what can I say? And your car is very nice, but don't get cocky.

Id hate to see killemall drive a car with nitrous, all that instant raw wheel torque would surely push the car directly into a guard rail.

glad i read his before i posted cuz u read my mind.

i make 410 n/a and just installed a 110 shot over winter.
im on 275 drag radials and im not a bit worried, im gona drive it like i stole it this summer :)

be ready for my raw wheel horsepower races this summer :)

Didn't want to go through his post to stalk him, so thanks for the info. You win, but its still a Titanic and uglier than a 74 Mustang. :engarde:

theres nothing wrong with liking large cars. Besides, you own a third gen you have no room to speak on how ugly you think another car is. I think your dashboard might need more duct tape before it falls off again :D

and with that being said, what insight exactly are you talking about???? i simply asked if 450rwhp is THAT difficult to control with such massive tires. apparently its the off idle torque, i thought he crashed his cars doing roll races.

wow..lotta torque talk..

Look. Ive had the h/c 342 ci..yea it was 380 rwhp with a 2.73 rear end and 3280 pounds...on paper it should have been just as fast as my stock 1999 488 ci viper with 400 rwhp and 3390 pounds...

But c'mon we all no better than anyone that their is no replacement for displacement..

My H/C LS1 had 380 rwt and my stock 1999 Viper had 465 rwt. The way they delivered the power was night and day..Cubic inches make a massive differance despite the final numbers and the stock viper out trapped my C5 by 5 mph both driven by me.

With my current viper at 8.3 litres and 505 cubic inches. That 512 rwt may seem like nothing. but the way the power is delivered from that huge engine is the flattest torque curve in the buisness of production engines.

You can put a 408 stroker in with h/c and maybey hit the same 512 rwt I have..But the delivery of the torque will still not be the same...

Now that 533 ci up above..Thats what it takes for a similar experiance..

Please before you post any more go rent even a 1996 GTS viper and drive it for a day..Some of you comment who hav never even sat in one let alone drove one...

Compareing a LS1 with mods and saying the car has 450 rwhp so its the same experiance as a srt10 is naieve...That would be like someone saying a 300 rwhp s2000 hits just as hard as a LS1..Hell no it dosent. Not even close...The LS1 will still have a much more violent feel than the s2000 in lower rpm's....Same applies here...You can get the same rwhp but the low end feel is still not comparable..Even the 427 ci feels a lil limp wristed honestly stock for stock...And a 427 ci is the biggest GM offers in sports cars...

Wish a few of you were close. Id give you a ride and let you decide for your self...let me know if you visit hawaii

How's this for "low-end" torque? It's a '08 Viper.

470-ft-lbs of torque by 2250-rpms. :lol:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/14116-2008-Dodge-Viper-Dyno.jpg

Compareing a LS1 with mods and saying the car has 450 rwhp so its the same experiance as a srt10 is naieve...That would be like someone saying a 300 rwhp s2000 hits just as hard as a LS1..Hell no it dosent. Not even close...The LS1 will still have a much more violent feel than the s2000 in lower rpm's....Same applies here...You can get the same rwhp but the low end feel is still not comparable..Even the 427 ci feels a lil limp wristed honestly stock for stock...And a 427 ci is the biggest GM offers in sports cars...

Wish a few of you were close. Id give you a ride and let you decide for your self...let me know if you visit hawaii

Limp wristed? Couldn't you have come up with something better than limp wristed? Especially for a car that has beaten you time and again stock for stock and then stock vs. modded? While it isn't exactly as Torquey as the mighty viper it is still a car that was built to run and have fun in. Limp wristed? dude.. seriously.

Limp wristed? Couldn't you have come up with something better than limp wristed? Especially for a car that has beaten you time and again stock for stock and then stock vs. modded? While it isn't exactly as Torquey as the mighty viper it is still a car that was built to run and have fun in. Limp wristed? dude.. seriously.

well he DOES have 80 more cubic inches. How did the 99 cobra engine feel vs the LS1 cars even though they were both close races? And that was a difference of only 65ci! so i wouldnt doubt a 427 feels limp wristed vs a 505

I wouldn't know. I don't have a LS1 or a 99 cobra. But to call the z06 gay? come on man..

I wouldn't know. I don't have a LS1 or a 99 cobra. But to call the z06 gay? come on man..

he didnt call the z06 gay, just that its power delivery is velvety smooth compared to the sledgehammer brute force of a large engine

well he DOES have 80 more cubic inches. How did the 99 cobra engine feel vs the LS1 cars even though they were both close races? And that was a difference of only 65ci! so i wouldnt doubt a 427 feels limp wristed vs a 505

To my recollection when I test drove one back in the beginning of '99 it felt slow as hell! That was before the recall though. ;)

he didnt call the z06 gay, just that its power delivery is velvety smooth compared to the sledgehammer brute force of a large engine

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=limp%20wristed

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/limp-wristed

And if you don't know what effeminate is,

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/effeminate

I understand not all of you graduated high school or College.

Before you use a term, look it up.

That's almost as bad as saying RWHP stands for Raw wheel horsepower instead of Rear wheel horsepower.

In a crude or unrefined state: nature in the raw.
Nude; naked.

That would mean that he's talking about uncorrected hp? when all he talks about is SAE corrected. Just bringing the knowledge, as describing my car as limp wristed offends me as I would call you limp wristed would offend you.. if your not gay.

wow..lotta torque talk..

Look. Ive had the h/c 342 ci..yea it was 380 rwhp with a 2.73 rear end and 3280 pounds...on paper it should have been just as fast as my stock 1999 488 ci viper with 400 rwhp and 3390 pounds...

But c'mon we all no better than anyone that their is no replacement for displacement..

My H/C LS1 had 380 rwt and my stock 1999 Viper had 465 rwt. The way they delivered the power was night and day..Cubic inches make a massive differance despite the final numbers and the stock viper out trapped my C5 by 5 mph both driven by me.

With my current viper at 8.3 litres and 505 cubic inches. That 512 rwt may seem like nothing. but the way the power is delivered from that huge engine is the flattest torque curve in the buisness of production engines.

You can put a 408 stroker in with h/c and maybey hit the same 512 rwt I have..But the delivery of the torque will still not be the same...

Now that 533 ci up above..Thats what it takes for a similar experiance..

Please before you post any more go rent even a 1996 GTS viper and drive it for a day..Some of you comment who hav never even sat in one let alone drove one...

Compareing a LS1 with mods and saying the car has 450 rwhp so its the same experiance as a srt10 is naieve...That would be like someone saying a 300 rwhp s2000 hits just as hard as a LS1..Hell no it dosent. Not even close...The LS1 will still have a much more violent feel than the s2000 in lower rpm's....Same applies here...You can get the same rwhp but the low end feel is still not comparable..Even the 427 ci feels a lil limp wristed honestly stock for stock...And a 427 ci is the biggest GM offers in sports cars...

Wish a few of you were close. Id give you a ride and let you decide for your self...let me know if you visit hawaii

Pssst, I've driven a couple of Vipers and I have driven and owned cars that made more torque and horsepower than a Viper. No one gives a shit what a stock Viper makes for power and I for one am not impressed with them. They are cool for what they are but they aren't the end all of performance cars. What makes you think that anyone with a functioning brain would get in a car with you?

Pssst, I've driven a couple of Vipers and I have driven and owned cars that made more torque and horsepower than a Viper. No one gives a shit what a stock Viper makes for power and I for one am not impressed with them. They are cool for what they are but they aren't the end all of performance cars. What makes you think that anyone with a functioning brain would get in a car with you?

Curious. What is not impressive (to you) about a Gen 4 Viper? Or are you talking about the old Vipers from the early '90's?

How's this for "low-end" torque? It's a '08 Viper.

470-ft-lbs of torque by 2250-rpms. :lol:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/14116-2008-Dodge-Viper-Dyno.jpg

Sheeet! That's ridiculous for a N/A car with no cats and a cat-back as it's only mods. :lol: Anyone who can't respect power and torque like that from a stock car is either A) a hater, B) clueless or C) a plain freakin' hater.

I wonder how many people in this entire thread have a car that puts down numbers like that? hmmmmm....

Curious. What is not impressive (to you) about a Gen 4 Viper? Or are you talking about the old Vipers from the early '90's?

I don't like the way they feel when you are pushing them. To me it seems the steering doesn't give much feedback of what the car is doing and is about to do. You can fix it with throttle but I think the steering could be better. The ones I drove were twitchy and crashed over imperfections instead of absorbing and them giving the car a solid glued down feel. They sound like shit and don't look that great to me. They make some good power numbers but damn with that many cubes they should. Its not all that impressive. With people like crashemall thinking they are Gods gift to the car world just adds to my dislike. I've considered buying one but I'm worried my dick would shrink and I'd becaome an idiot. The gen 4 is definitely a big improvement over the early ones but I think they could still fix a few things and make the car a lot better. I am in no way saying they need to add electronics or other nannies to the car though, just refine it.

Sheeet! That's ridiculous for a N/A car with no cats and a cat-back as it's only mods. :lol: Anyone who can't respect power and torque like that from a stock car is either A) a hater, B) clueless or C) a plain freakin' hater.

I wonder how many people in this entire thread have a car that puts down numbers like that? hmmmmm....

My daily driver makes 650 ft-lbs at 2000 RPM.

I don't like the way they feel when you are pushing them. To me it seems the steering doesn't give much feedback of what the car is doing and is about to do. You can fix it with throttle but I think the steering could be better. The ones I drove were twitchy and crashed over imperfections instead of absorbing and them giving the car a solid glued down feel. They sound like shit and don't look that great to me. They make some good power numbers but damn with that many cubes they should. Its not all that impressive. With people like crashemall thinking they are Gods gift to the car world just adds to my dislike. I've considered buying one but I'm worried my dick would shrink and I'd becaome an idiot. The gen 4 is definitely a big improvement over the early ones but I think they could still fix a few things and make the car a lot better. I am in no way saying they need to add electronics or other nannies to the car though, just refine it.

I've driven a 1992 RT/10 and 2008 SRT-10. The '92 was awesome as hell imo and the closest thing to an actual race car you could have gotten on the streets back then. I remember the breaks being a little notchy but then what can you expect with no ABS. The Viper is not for the novice driver nor for anyone looking for comfort as their main interest. You have to know what your doing when driving one of those things, that's a big reason why a lot of them get wrecked. The biggest complaint I had with that car was the plastic velcro'd on windows it came with. When it rained they often leaked a little. The numbers they put up (on a road course) dominated for many years. And the torque from that 488 V10 was just nasty for back in those days.

Now the '08 I had the pleasure of driving was just a monster. Didn't get a chance to take it around the curves but the straightline acceleration was more than enough for me. The torque they make down low/mid-range is unrealistic. I would love to own one when they get a little cheaper.

Point is don't let crashemall take away from the fact the Viper is a fantastic car like the Corvette and FGT.

Point is don't let crashemall take away from the fact the Viper is a fantastic car like the Corvette and FGT.

I'll quote this one since it is shorter. I wouldn't consider myself a novice driver and comfort and a sports car is usually not uttered in the same sentence. No one influences my likes and dislikes except my own experience. I haven't had the opportunity to drive a FGT but I am sure it is a stellar automobile. The Viper is a great performance car but it could be better. If they would take the time and effort to do it, the problem is cost. They want to keep it at a certain price point and with that the old saying "you can't have your cake and eat it too" comes into play. So it and the Corvette while great performers and cool cars will always lag behind a little in some areas due to the manufacturer choosing, with great success I might add, to keep the price lower and give people 95 to 98%% of what the car could be.

I'll quote this one since it is shorter. I wouldn't consider myself a novice driver and comfort and a sports car is usually not uttered in the same sentence. No one influences my likes and dislikes except my own experience. I haven't had the opportunity to drive a FGT but I am sure it is a stellar automobile. The Viper is a great performance car but it could be better. If they would take the time and effort to do it, the problem is cost. They want to keep it at a certain price point and with that the old saying "you can't have your cake and eat it too" comes into play. So it and the Corvette while great performers and cool cars will always lag behind a little in some areas due to the manufacturer choosing, with great success I might add, to keep the price lower and give people 95 to 98%% of what the car could be.

I see your point but the numbers have always indicated otherwise. From 1992-2002 the Viper has usually came out on top in every all-out perfomance test, from 0-60 and quarter-mile to skidpad, slalom and braking tests to dominating the 24 hrs of Le Mans. Only until 2005 with the FGT it was the fastest American production car you could buy. I think Chrysler's sole purpose for that car was to be an all out performer and nothing more, and if that's the case they did a hell of a job.

this dude is just a complete idiot. i cant read any more of this after 4 pages. sorry if i missed out on anything else my bad but its to much stupidity for one day. reading all of killamall attempt at trying to give the illusion he has won races to make himself feel better about spending so much on such a slow car for what ever the price he did spend on it.

theres nothing wrong with liking large cars. Besides, you own a third gen you have no room to speak on how ugly you think another car is. I think your dashboard might need more duct tape before it falls off again :D

and with that being said, what insight exactly are you talking about???? i simply asked if 450rwhp is THAT difficult to control with such massive tires. apparently its the off idle torque, i thought he crashed his cars doing roll races.

There's nothing wrong with liking big women either, too each their own :D

BTW, I didn't think those cars could be make to look decent but your looks pretty sick :chug: What's it put down or run?

I have trouble putting down 400rwtq to the ground on street tires 295/35/18. Couldn't imagine trying to put down over 500rwtq in a Viper on street tires (even with wide tires) or even the power of a fast reving 427 C6Z06.

There's nothing wrong with liking big women either, too each their own :D

BTW, I didn't think those cars could be make to look decent but your looks pretty sick :chug: What's it put down or run?

I have trouble putting down 400rwtq to the ground on street tires 295/35/18. Couldn't imagine trying to put down over 500rwtq in a Viper on street tires (even with wide tires) or even the power of a fast reving 427 C6Z06.

thanks.Its just a street build with TFS street heads and solid roller. I havent ran it at the track yet because it still needs a roll bar. i took it to a local dude to tune but it turned out he didnt know wtf he was doing or how to work on carbs.when i picked it up from him;

The a/f ratio was 14.8

he stopped all the runs at 5500rpm with the power still climbing (my cam 260/269@.05 should make power to 6500rpm).

left the timing @ 10degrees lower (20 degrees instead of 30) than its supposed to be at.

even with that it made 513rwhp@5500 and 540rwtq@3600-4300rpm.
all the dude did was mess with jets. I learned how to work on the carb myself and got a wideband and its where its supposed to be now but im waiting for a local dyno day cuz i dont feel like spending $175

im not a chubby chaser :emb:

Damn RSKY....My bad..Didnt mean it in that way...But i see what you are saying..Limp wristed is the wrong term and sorry if I offended you...

Not talking about HP..Your HP and weight is a sick combo..as well as the 7000 rpm redline..While I think I did quite honorable for a 480 rwhp viper vs 500 rwhp Z06 being a car back or that one seriies of 12 pretty much door to door. Your car was the slightly faster car and a win is a win..

I was referring to the low end feel. In stock form it was disapointing in comparison to the low grunt Im used to..Of course our back to back dyno showed I had about 60 more rwt and it started at much lower rpm's..So this explains that..

Again my apologies on the limp wristed statement. didnt mean it like that...The one guy with the boat nailed it on the head..velvety smooth vs brutal...scalpling knife vs sledge hammer...You get the drift

Damn RSKY....My bad..Didnt mean it in that way...But i see what you are saying..Limp wristed is the wrong term and sorry if I offended you...

Not talking about HP..Your HP and weight is a sick combo..as well as the 7000 rpm redline..While I think I did quite honorable for a 480 rwhp viper vs 500 rwhp Z06 being a car back or that one seriies of 12 pretty much door to door. Your car was the slightly faster car and a win is a win..

I was referring to the low end feel. In stock form it was disapointing in comparison to the low grunt Im used to..Of course our back to back dyno showed I had about 60 more rwt and it started at much lower rpm's..So this explains that..

Again my apologies on the limp wristed statement. didnt mean it like that...The one guy with the boat nailed it on the head..velvety smooth vs brutal...scalpling knife vs sledge hammer...You get the drift


I get it. The viper is a put you in your seat oh shit torque from down low. I have felt the power and I know what you are talking about. I am patiently awaiting the newly REborn viper and hope we can have a rematch along with a rematch with NOOB/GTR. I promise it'll be some good footage for sure! :engarde:

yes...

C6Z06 at 520 rwhp/490 rwt at 3180 pounds
Viper at 500 rwhp/530 rwt and 3300 pounds
GTR at 680 rwhp/??? and 3800 pounds

This could be amazeing footage

this is way better than the 350z boards

Well.. My350Z used to have a kill section that they didn't know how to Moderate, so they got rid of it completely.

Oh yeah, I remember that.

wow..lotta torque talk..

Look. Ive had the h/c 342 ci..yea it was 380 rwhp with a 2.73 rear end and 3280 pounds...on paper it should have been just as fast as my stock 1999 488 ci viper with 400 rwhp and 3390 pounds...

But c'mon we all no better than anyone that their is no replacement for displacement..

My H/C LS1 had 380 rwt and my stock 1999 Viper had 465 rwt. The way they delivered the power was night and day..Cubic inches make a massive differance despite the final numbers and the stock viper out trapped my C5 by 5 mph both driven by me.

With my current viper at 8.3 litres and 505 cubic inches. That 512 rwt may seem like nothing. but the way the power is delivered from that huge engine is the flattest torque curve in the buisness of production engines.

You can put a 408 stroker in with h/c and maybey hit the same 512 rwt I have..But the delivery of the torque will still not be the same...

Now that 533 ci up above..Thats what it takes for a similar experiance..

Please before you post any more go rent even a 1996 GTS viper and drive it for a day..Some of you comment who hav never even sat in one let alone drove one...

Compareing a LS1 with mods and saying the car has 450 rwhp so its the same experiance as a srt10 is naieve...That would be like someone saying a 300 rwhp s2000 hits just as hard as a LS1..Hell no it dosent. Not even close...The LS1 will still have a much more violent feel than the s2000 in lower rpm's....Same applies here...You can get the same rwhp but the low end feel is still not comparable..Even the 427 ci feels a lil limp wristed honestly stock for stock...And a 427 ci is the biggest GM offers in sports cars...

Wish a few of you were close. Id give you a ride and let you decide for your self...let me know if you visit hawaii

I read this, and it screams you putting your mouth on an anaconda's anaconda.

You like your viper, that's okay, but it's just a car.

I cant believe this damn thread is back

^^^lmao! Yeah it has been hanging on. Lots to read for sure :nod:

I read this, and it screams you putting your mouth on an anaconda's anaconda.

You like your viper, that's okay, but it's just a car.

Killemall hasn't made a post in like a week. Please do us all a favor and leave it that way. :cheers:

well, I haven't been able to watch any of the videos..it says the person delted them..

Killemall hasn't made a post in like a week. Please do us all a favor and leave it that way. :cheers:

oh noes!
what if the raw wheel horspower did him in :(

Yeah i'm thinkin' all that "raw-wheel horsepower" finally got the best of him. Either that or he just plain gave up.