General LSX Automobile Discussion - Stop me from selling my z28 for a 03-04 Cobra.

Please,
Tell me why I should not do this. I have always wanted a terminator, and I'm seriously considering selling the Camaro for one.

Current mod list on Camaro:

MS3 +valvetrain
ls6 intake
full exhaust
TT2's
400 RWHP

-hugger orange :D


Help !

I regret selling my t/a and now a month later i bought another one, you just see them driving down the road, and just wish you had it again. Mine was a build for a year procharged geared headers, and when i sold it i like lost apart of me lol. Id keep it but thats just me.

I regret selling my t/a and now a month later i bought another one, you just see them driving down the road, and just wish you had it again. Mine was a build for a year procharged geared headers, and when i sold it i like lost apart of me lol. Id keep it but thats just me.

Ya I know what you're saying, what makes it worse is everyone around here knows me for the Camaro.


but that kenne bell, MMmmmm

Ive had both cars. my camaro was H/C full bolt on, the run of the mill H/C ls1. It was a fun and fast car. You will more than likely get a biased opinion on this site but the cobra is the better car. My cobra was Port/pulley, put out 513/508 RWHP. It was a more solidly built car, was easier to make big power with and just as reliable as the ls1. The only real nag i had about the 03 was how much it weighed(3700lb) and the shifter location sucks. It was a hard car to drive well IMO. The car will cost about twice what a good F-body will and the saying holds true, you get what you pay for. At the track my camaro was more built for it and more efficient because it was a stalled auto. The cobra had 100 RWHP on the camaro and they ran about the same times with the cobra usually traping a little more, camaro with a better E/T. Had the cobra been a stalled auto it would have been a beast. Just go drive a terminator and it should sell itself if the cash isnt a issue.

How many miles are on your camaro? How many on the cobra?

Is there an option of keeping both?

drive the cobra. odds are that one of the cars will feel more natural to you. that is the one you want. my wife had a 98 formula. i loved the power it had over my 95 mustang but the driving feel was mustang all the way for me. my 67 camaro felt like a better driving feel also.

Go for the cobra IMO.

I miss my 03 Cobra. I would own another for sure. With a pulley, exhaust, and a tune I made around 460. You have a super nice Z tho!

Thanks !

The real issues here are:

1) I already have a decently built Ls1 car with a good amount invested.

2) I haven't located a Cobra, It's just on my mind

3)The Cobra is vastly more expensive,


Damn.

Is there an option of keeping both?

in my dreams !!! lol, no

I miss my 03 Cobra. I would own another for sure. With a pulley, exhaust, and a tune I made around 460. You have a super nice Z tho!

Wow! impressive

Thanks man,

How does the Z compare to the Cobra ?

I've had both cars. The Terminator is a dyno queen and a LS1 f body performs better at the track and is cheaper to mod.

I've had both cars. The Terminator is a dyno queen and a LS1 f body performs better at the track and is cheaper to mod.

Yeah...um I dono about that one.

Fbody are cheaper to mod though.

But since you had both cars, can you post times and dyno numbers for both of these cars?

Im in the same boat I have owned 3 sn95's and loved driving them. Recently I picked up a 99 ss and have add a ton of stuff to. I enjoy the camaro and the power but I loved driving my mustang. So in the next year or so I hope to be buying a 03/04 cobra. But I'm going to keep the camaro to:D

Don't be an idiot.. keep the Z and add nitrous you damn sell out!! :D

Don't be an idiot.. keep the Z and add nitrous you damn sell out!! :D


LMAO :D

Ya, good point.

It's just so cheap an easy to mod the Z, not to mention the sound of my magic stick on cool summer mornings while driving to work gives me goosebumps.

i don't think you could go wrong either way. like someone else said, drive both and see which one feels more natural.

^^^^I'm with this guy, drive a termi and see how you like it. I remember having a car in my head as my dream car and driving it and didn't like it at all.

Screw keeping the Z... get the Cobra.

Only reason I've never had an '03-'04 Cobra is the lack of an auto trans option. Otherwise, I too would have one, though I would not sell my Camaro to do it, I'd just add another car to the collection. ;)

Get the cobra if your looking for big HP #s

Only reason I've never had an '03-'04 Cobra is the lack of an auto trans option. Otherwise, I too would have one, though I would not sell my Camaro to do it, I'd just add another car to the collection. ;)

If you want a auto race car, the C4 is a good auto trans for those cars, 3 speed though so not the best for interstate driving.

Fbody are cheaper to mod though.

Ummm, no. CAI, pullies, and exhaust and you can see upper 400's and with a ported blower 500+. Most of that shit is very cheap. If you mean cams, stroker kits, etc. then yes that is more expensive. Put a blower or turbo on either and it's around the same price wise. The only disadvantage of a Cobrah is the buy in price (well, and the HEaton).

Only reason I've never had an '03-'04 Cobra is the lack of an auto trans option. Otherwise, I too would have one, though I would not sell my Camaro to do it, I'd just add another car to the collection. ;)

There are auto options. Quit being lazy and do the swap! :)

id add a FAST and some nice heads and if thats not enough get nitrous.


im not going to say anymore. this 03 cobra/ ls1 argument is an old one to me.

It depends on you - if it's all about money, you can probably build your camaro to be as fast as the Cobra (or faster) for less money. Then again - by that mindset - you could probably take a foxbody coupe and make it faster than both for less.

If it's about style and money isn't an issue, then you can't go wrong with the Bra

keep the CAMARO! my reasons, ITS A FORD! plus you will have 2 buy 2 cams for the cobra, and its an IRS car, so your traction problem would be 1000 times worse than in an fbody.

Also - not sure what 03 Cobra's go for, but I found a Roush 540 at a local dealer here that was going for less than the 5.0 GT's - might look at that option

I have always wanted a terminator, and I'm seriously considering selling the Camaro for one.

Then buy it.

:lock:

honestly man im biased as well i love my camaro its been my dream car since i was 6 but i love the body of an 03 cobra. but with the money your gonna spend on buying and modding the cobra you could probably buy 2 camaros id say keep the z plus arent hugger orange cars hard to find

I would choose a 03/04 Cobra over a SS because you can pass smog easier, with little mods it'll be a beast, & they sound better than a non cammed LS1. I think they look just as good as a SS too if both are properly modded (exterior wise). One of the major things that I hate about the Cobra's is their motors blowing etc.

It depends on how extreme you wanna go IMO. If it's about being fast, the Camaro is gonna be pretty radical to keep up with a street tuned potted eaton cobra... For roughly 3k u can make a cobra go 500 HP plus and it's gonna drive and feel like stock.

U can do the same with the Camaro in terms of HP, but it's not going to feel the same.

Other than that it's all about drivability and preference man...

I had the opportunity to ride in a beautiful (white with black interior) '03 Terminator with low (under 9k miles) mileage and I must say, this car was a BEAST. Tastefully massaged to 500rwhp via carefully selected components, so as to lead everyone onto thinking it was only a stock cobra (psh, stock cobra lol); it sported headers, a Bassani X-pipe and Borla mufflers, I will never forget the sense of theater I got while in that car. It was as if I was teleporting down the road, not driving; and the sound of it was something not too many would ever forget.

Although the Terminator is indeed an amazing car, I still love f-bodies more. With the supercharger, smaller pulley, axles and drag radials among other subtle changes, the acceleration of the cobra forced a smile on my face no matter how hard I tried to keep it straight. However, install a supercharger (or other power adder) on your Z28 and I don't see why it wouldn't be just as fun.

If money isnt a issue I say Cobra. Only downside is how expensive they are. You could use all that extra money your spending on the Cobra towards mod money for the z28. Those Cobra's are cheap to mod and respondto mods really well!

I've seen some 03/04 cobra around here for 13K-16K. I never had a chance to take my 03 to the track after the pulley and exhaust to see what it could do.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/deejay02/11020609.jpg
I gave that up for a 99 Z28........ MISTAKE!

Definitly go with the Cobra.

One of the major things that I hate about the Cobra's is their motors blowing etc.

That sounds like it might be a downside! :eek:

That sounds like it might be a downside! :eek:

Sounds like someone making some major f-ups to blow up a forged bottom end.

Sounds like someone making some major f-ups to blow up a forged bottom end.

LMAO, I knew something didn't sound right about that post!

I just made the change about a month ago. I now enjoy driving my car again. My Formula was H/C M6 and it was a pain in the ass to drive even with a mild cam. It was work to drive and not fun any more like it was mostly stock. Now I have a 2003 Cobra convertible, pullied with basic bolt ons. It sounds amazing, pulls harder than my Formlua ever did, and is just fun to drive.

I did have a complaint with the shifter being so far away, but I got an MGW adjustable handle and put it all the way out so now its fine.

Sounds like someone making some major f-ups to blow up a forged bottom end.

Well then, you should do some homework on Cobra's. There's tons of posts on forums about this. Back to back runs is one way that can cause detonation. It's the piston to wall clearance on 03/04 Cobra's. I believe the clearance is .001 where most forged pistons are .003. In the 2004 models Ford changed the coolant passages on the heads which are called "Jan 05" heads.

The cooling mod allows more coolant to flow out the back of the heads to help "FIX" the issue, but it's more of a bandaid fix. The only real way to fix this is more piston to wall clearance. A good tune can help (rich). Either way that's a major thing that sucks about the Cobra's. :engarde:

LMAO, I knew something didn't sound right about that post!

Look at post #41 and do some homework on them too. So, you were saying?:flipbird:

Well then, you should do some homework on Cobra's. There's tons of posts on forums about this. Back to back runs is one way that can cause detonation. It's the piston to wall clearance on 03/04 Cobra's. I believe the clearance is .001 where most forged pistons are .003. In the 2004 models Ford changed the coolant passages on the heads which are called "Jan 05" heads.

The cooling mod allows more coolant to flow out the back of the heads to help "FIX" the issue, but it's more of a bandaid fix. The only real way to fix this is more piston to wall clearance. A good tune can help (rich). Either way that's a major thing that sucks about the Cobra's. :engarde:

Yeah this is a problem, especially for guys trying to do high speed runs in 5th or 6th gear. Pistons get too hot and expand, next thing you know .001 is .000 and the motor just shit itself over 3 blocks.

Look at post #41 and do some homework on them too. So, you were saying?:flipbird:

I've heard plenty of stories of LS1s blowing up, just saying, it's not a Cobra specific problem, and I wouldn't let that put me off from buying one.

I've heard plenty of stories of LS1s blowing up, just saying, it's not a Cobra specific problem, and I wouldn't let that put me off from buying one.

That doesn't put me off from buying one(If I qualified for a loan) and YES it is a 03/04 Cobra specific problem (FACTS ARE FACTS). Did you even read what I posted? LMAO:poke: I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but seriously go do homework and you'll see it IS INDEED a 03/04 Cobra "specific problem". From your reply it is clear you didn't read post #41

I am having this exact issue right now. I was getting ready to do a big build up on my Camaro with a 408 and nitrous but now before I do I am having trouble pulling the trigger becasue I have always wanted a cobra and am thinking now is a good time before I blow my wad on upgrading the Camaro any further.

Keep the Hugger Orange. Boost = Fords band aid for lack of performance.

I need more pics of said HO Camaro to help form my suggestion.

That doesn't put me off from buying one(If I qualified for a loan) and YES it is a 03/04 Cobra specific problem (FACTS ARE FACTS). Did you even read what I posted? LMAO:poke: I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but seriously go do homework and you'll see it IS INDEED a 03/04 Cobra "specific problem". From your reply it is clear you didn't read post #41

You didn't understand my post, perhaps I wasn't clear what I meant. A blow up is a blow up, all motors can blow up, doesn't have to be a clearance issue. LS1s blow up all the time.

The only thing i can say about an 04 cobra for a fact is you can bolt-on/tune(including pulley swap)and have a mid 7.5 second 1/8th car and have 100% stock driveability. I just think its an overall masterpiece of a car. I think its cheap to mod for what you get and you can get them pretty cheap now...Do i regret buying an 04 cobra instead of a c5 z06 for my daily driver??yes i do bc im a GM guy....They are the best car ford has ever and will ever make imo but i think in the future i will stick with the gm brand...World of difference just hard to explain...

Why not get a decent c5 z06 for the price you'd pay on the cobra?

I say cobra, I am the opposite of everyone with the shifter location. Going from mustangs to a camaro, I miss my sn cars and shifter location, but I have been driving mustangs since I was 16 and i am now 31yrs old. The cobra with a kenne bell would be mind blowing, a used KB will go for the same as a set of headers, heads, cam, intake and tune on an ls1. You can't beat the power basic bolts ons ad to an LS1 no doubt, but an 03 with bolts ons, and not ls1 bolts ons ie, cam, ls6, and ported heads. I mean regular bolts ons, pulley, exhaust, cold air and a tune will put up stellar numbers. The refinement and drive of a cobra is a huge difference over an SN95 car, my 03 gt I had before my 00z, had an 03 cobra IRS with 4.10's rode 10000000000 millions times better then my Z ever could dream of, my 98z with a stock suspension still had no comparison. If you want higher payments and less money to mod get the cobra, if not bolt on the bottle and some heads and go to town on the Z, you have a damn nice Z so it would be a tough choice.

You didn't understand my post, perhaps I wasn't clear what I meant. A blow up is a blow up, all motors can blow up, doesn't have to be a clearance issue. LS1s blow up all the time.

I'm well aware that all motors can blow. LS1's blow up all the time huh? Please show me where they blow up all the time. Lets talk stock form and not nitrous cars either. When I race in my car I'll do back to back run without worrying about my motor. Yeah, there is a possibility that I can hurt something, but it's a high risk when doing it in a Cobra. Either way, I'd still buy a Cobra over an LS1 even knowing that huge problem.

I'm in the same boat as you OP!!

A 03/04 Cobra WILL BE my next car. Always loved them. They look amazing, perform great, and make power very easily.

Found a pretty god deal on a higher milage one last week. Had 110K miles and the owner was asking $12,500. Had a buyer for my SS, but it was sold before I could arrange anything.

Good deals are out there on them. A little change once in awhile wont hurt anything.

Get both. :)

Why not get a decent c5 z06 for the price you'd pay on the cobra?

THANK YOU.....if you're going to spend that kind of money on a car, step up and get the KING!!!!

Why not get a decent c5 z06 for the price you'd pay on the cobra?

I love Z06's... But theyre 2 different cars. The cobra you can make more power easily with cheaper, but the Z will handle better but is more expensive to mod. I guess it just depends on what you want out of the car.

Keep the Hugger Orange. Boost = Fords band aid for lack of performance.

Probably the worst post in here.

Why not get a decent c5 z06 for the price you'd pay on the cobra?

I'm with this guy.

I just made the change about a month ago. I now enjoy driving my car again. My Formula was H/C M6 and it was a pain in the ass to drive even with a mild cam. It was work to drive and not fun any more like it was mostly stock. Now I have a 2003 Cobra convertible, pullied with basic bolt ons. It sounds amazing, pulls harder than my Formlua ever did, and is just fun to drive.

I did have a complaint with the shifter being so far away, but I got an MGW adjustable handle and put it all the way out so now its fine.

your just being a sissy :engarde: hahaha well I don't Daily Drive my SS, but I could if I wanted to. Even with all the mods I have done, it still drives nice and smooth! I love the Cobra's as well( I heard they are a pain in the ass to drive with the clutch, don't lie). But I'd have to have both. I couldn't ditch my Camaro for one since I have had a F-Body since 98, I guess I'm car loyal. :)

Get both. :)


SPEAK to this man here.

quoted from supersport01 pg. 3 "boost= fords bandaid for lack of performance"

Probably the worst post in here.

Negative. Makes perfect sense. if the 03/04 was not supercharged...would we even be having this conversation? Seriously now, be honest :eyes:

I had a pulley'd 04' with 430 RWHP. It was an animal for sure. The blower sound and torque were awesome. The rest of the car.....eh.

I enjoyed it, but I do not miss it.

Does anyone else hate where the shift position is in the Mustangs? I've driven a few Mustangs in my day and my worst fear is losing the skin on my knuckles to the HVAC controls.

Negative. Makes perfect sense. if the 03/04 was not supercharged...would we even be having this conversation? Seriously now, be honest :eyes:

In the end it doesn't matter because that's how the Cobra's came from the factory. I don't think I heard the Ford guys cry about how the F-bodys had a 346ci 5.7L before the Terminator's came out. Saying "Ford needed a blower to compete" is old and not to mention a stupid argument. What about the FI LSX guys? I don't hear Chevy guys comment on other Chevy guys with blowers.

I think people who bring up the blower argument are a little pissed/jealous that a 4.6 4V can make good power with little mods and came with forged internals from the factory. We all know the majority of cam only LS1's would get killed by just a pullied/bolt-on Cobra.

In the end it doesn't matter because that's how the Cobra's came from the factory. I don't think I heard the Ford guys cry about how the F-bodys had a 346ci 5.7L before the Terminator's came out. Saying "Ford needed a blower to compete" is old and not to mention a stupid argument. What about the FI LSX guys? I don't hear Chevy guys comment on other Chevy guys with blowers.

I think people who bring up the blower argument are a little pissed/jealous that a 4.6 4V can make good power with little mods and came with forged internals from the factory. We all know the majority of cam only LS1's would get killed by just a pullied/bolt-on Cobra.

Anyone who says the terminater isnt one of the baddest motors ever put in a factory car is full of shit(For the time anyways) Its about the only ford a chevy guy can drive and not get shit for it because of how bad ass it is.

Does anyone else hate where the shift position is in the Mustangs? I've driven a few Mustangs in my day and my worst fear is losing the skin on my knuckles to the HVAC controls.

Yes it was the first thing i noticed getting back into a mustang from a corvette...Its terrible and takes a lot of time to get used to...It feels like you have to lean to the right and stretch forward....TERRIBLE...until you get used to it anyways.......

I had this same quandary and bought another LS1 car so I could have both....I love my 03 and the sound of the blower is intoxicating but the lure of a cammed/stalled LS1 car was strong....so to sum it up......GET BOTH.

quoted from supersport01 pg. 3 "boost= fords bandaid for lack of performance"



Negative. Makes perfect sense. if the 03/04 was not supercharged...would we even be having this conversation? Seriously now, be honest :eyes:

Let's be serious, GM does it with displacement, Ford with boost. Oh wait, what about that new 5.0? That's making almost the same power as an LS3 with 1.2L less, no boost either. A Ford 4v mod motor will eat up an LS motor of equal displacement, but since they can do it with less, why bother? I really hope your post was sarcastic, otherwise its sad to see some so misinformed. GM makes a 4.8L LS based motor, and it only makes 270hp, and that's with 0.2L more than the old Ford 4.6. The 3v and 4v mod motors beat that, got an answer to that?

Yes, in the past N/A Fords were weak but they aren't anything to laugh at now. Well, actually the Cobra R motor wasn't very weak, and the Mach 1's 4v wasn't too shabby, but definitely was lacking once modded.

But to answer your question, no we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't supercharged. However, it is blown and therefore you can't bitch about it. It's the most childish debate ever. Each chose their own way of making power, the Ford just ended up with more.

Each of these cars has their own advantages/disadvantages, which have all been beaten dead soooooo many times over the years. The OP should just drive a Cobra and see how he likes it. There is no 1 car that is best for everyone.

I would choose a 03/04 Cobra over a SS because you can pass smog easier, with little mods it'll be a beast, & they sound better than a non cammed LS1. I think they look just as good as a SS too if both are properly modded (exterior wise). One of the major things that I hate about the Cobra's is their motors blowing etc.

I don't have smog testing, and have a hefty cam lol.

I say cobra, I am the opposite of everyone with the shifter location. Going from mustangs to a camaro, I miss my sn cars and shifter location, but I have been driving mustangs since I was 16 and i am now 31yrs old. The cobra with a kenne bell would be mind blowing, a used KB will go for the same as a set of headers, heads, cam, intake and tune on an ls1. You can't beat the power basic bolts ons ad to an LS1 no doubt, but an 03 with bolts ons, and not ls1 bolts ons ie, cam, ls6, and ported heads. I mean regular bolts ons, pulley, exhaust, cold air and a tune will put up stellar numbers. The refinement and drive of a cobra is a huge difference over an SN95 car, my 03 gt I had before my 00z, had an 03 cobra IRS with 4.10's rode 10000000000 millions times better then my Z ever could dream of, my 98z with a stock suspension still had no comparison. If you want higher payments and less money to mod get the cobra, if not bolt on the bottle and some heads and go to town on the Z, you have a damn nice Z so it would be a tough choice.


Thanks man,
Everything you stated outlines the issue haha !

Since there seems to be a lot of one sided arguements, here's the a factual comparison, decide for yourself which is best for you:

98-02 F-body vs. 03/04 Cobra

Chassis:

F-body has the better setup. F-body uses SLA front suspension (best system available) with struts and a 3 link in the rear. Cobra uses "modified MacPherson struts" in the front, which are basically outdated garbage. No other car uses them that I know of, and for good reason. They are cheap and not great for handling. Cobra has IRS, which would be better for handling except that is weighs 400lbs and flexes much more than it should.

Engine:

LS series is excellent. Makes lots of power easily, very reliable, tons of aftermarket, any just about any swap you can think of is possible. Modular series started out as a dog, and finally hit its pinnacle in the Cobra. DOHC heads, forged internals, and the blower go a long way to making big power reliably. However, the roots style blowers are suseptible to severe heat soak, and will loose significant power if driven under load for extended periods (track sessions). Reliability has been excellent for both motors, the Cobra had a notorious "head tick" that Ford address by putting new heads on the cars under warranty.

Brakes:

Cobra has better stock front brakes (13" front rotors with dual piston PBR aluminum calipers vs. F-body 12" rotors and dual piston PBR aluminum calipers) but the F-body has better rear brakes, with single piston aluminum PBR calipers on 12" vented rotors vs. the Mustangs antiquated cast iron calipers with integrated parking brake and 11.8" rotors. Both have excellent aftermarket options: F-body has the Corvette C6 upgrade, C6 Z06 upgrade, and CTS-V upgrade. Mustang has aftermarket kits as well as the 14" Brembo 4 piston GT500 upgrade from Ford Racing.

Interior:

Interiors are a draw. Cobra has nicer seats with suede inserts. Trans Am dash is nicer quality than the poor fitting plastics in the Mustang. Driving positon is subjective, some like the Mustang, some like the F-body better. Cobra also has a very heavy cable operated clutch that is not friendly in heavy traffic, but generally more reliable than the F-body's hydraulic system.

Get both. :)

I've always wanted both. I figure both combined is still cheaper than a new Z06 right??

Hahahhaaa:D:D

Too bad that's not an option ATM. (Maybe in a few years?)

Here's some pictures of my car for comparison.

(And yes, some people hate the hood, some people like it... but I F**king love it)

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab260/pro_built7/IMG_3031.jpg

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab260/pro_built7/IMG_3022.jpg

I'm so attached to this thing ^^^^


That's my problem: I'm emotionally involved with this car (No homo)

Take a Cobra for a test drive and see how you like it. Drive a pullied one and you might have made up your mind then:chug:

that hood is a little much lol. but overall its a nice car. id keep it.

Let's be serious, GM does it with displacement, Ford with boost. Oh wait, what about that new 5.0? That's making almost the same power as an LS3 with 1.2L less, no boost either. A Ford 4v mod motor will eat up an LS motor of equal displacement, but since they can do it with less, why bother? I really hope your post was sarcastic, otherwise its sad to see some so misinformed. GM makes a 4.8L LS based motor, and it only makes 270hp, and that's with 0.2L more than the old Ford 4.6. The 3v and 4v mod motors beat that, got an answer to that?

Yes, in the past N/A Fords were weak but they aren't anything to laugh at now. Well, actually the Cobra R motor wasn't very weak, and the Mach 1's 4v wasn't too shabby, but definitely was lacking once modded.

But to answer your question, no we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't supercharged. However, it is blown and therefore you can't bitch about it. It's the most childish debate ever. Each chose their own way of making power, the Ford just ended up with more.

Each of these cars has their own advantages/disadvantages, which have all been beaten dead soooooo many times over the years. The OP should just drive a Cobra and see how he likes it. There is no 1 car that is best for everyone.

Couldnt have said it any better myself! Awesome post.

that hood is a little much lol. but overall its a nice car. id keep it.

I was skeptical about the hood at first, but I've grown to like it. Looks cool when you're sitting in the car, and makes it stand out in a see of look-a-likes

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab260/pro_built7/IMG_3044-1.jpg

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab260/pro_built7/IMG_3054.jpg

Take a Cobra for a test drive and see how you like it. Drive a pullied one and you might have made up your mind then:chug:

I don't know anyone who has one, and I've never driven one. It'd be new territory for me.

why not look into like a roush, or saleen?

why not look into like a roush, or saleen?

LOL! Why? Roush's suck from what I know and the S281 Saleens suck too. The S351 Saleen is the only one I'd get. Other than that I'd take a Cobra any day of the week over a Roush or Saleen.

stage 3 roush,has a blower, so does a s281 sc, same thing pretty much as a cobra but you get some added suspension mods

stage 3 roush,has a blower, so does a s281 sc, same thing pretty much as a cobra but you get some added suspension mods

Stage 3's arent all that common. I agree with SSmokin99.

Yeah i agree they ain't that common but that just makes it better, but personally if i absolutley had to buy a mustang it would be an 03/04, but i would never sell my F-body for one, both cars are bad ass, and it really comes down to personal preference

stage 3 roush,has a blower, so does a s281 sc, same thing pretty much as a cobra but you get some added suspension mods

I know they have blowers, but trust me they aren't like a 03/04 Cobra. They're not 4V's. I've raced a stage 3 Roush too and it was basically a dead even run and my car was running like shit at the time. He seemed to be very surprised that I was just bolt ons.

I think I'll just hold off for now on the Cobra.

When it really comes down to it I don't think I could sell the camaro for one. Yes I could own one, but not at the expense of the Z.

After grad school.... :devil: I'll just add the cobra to the collection.

if i was going to get a mustang id get a new one.


its priced good and makes great power.

I'm well aware that all motors can blow. LS1's blow up all the time huh? Please show me where they blow up all the time. Lets talk stock form and not nitrous cars either. When I race in my car I'll do back to back run without worrying about my motor. Yeah, there is a possibility that I can hurt something, but it's a high risk when doing it in a Cobra. Either way, I'd still buy a Cobra over an LS1 even knowing that huge problem.

I'm in no way arguing that an LS1 is unreliable, but no one has a stock LS1 anymore, everyone has a damn MS4 or a 150 shot. You can't keep an LS1 stock if it's gonna run with ported and pullied Cobras.

I'm in no way arguing that an LS1 is unreliable, but no one has a stock LS1 anymore, everyone has a damn MS4 or a 150 shot. You can't keep an LS1 stock if it's gonna run with ported and pullied Cobras.

That's because it is 10 years older. Its a great platform but its dated. Is it outdated, no. Is the 4valve better, no. Ford needed 4 valves to make as much power as the LS1. Cobra to LS1 is apples to oranges. Its blown versus NA, of course blown is going to win stock to stock or slightly modded. Its all in what you like and what you want to do. If you want to put time and effort into building something fun and fast, keep the fbody. If you want to do it easily and cheaply, get the cobra. But you'll get more sense of accomplishment from the fbody.

The guy who said the cobra is a dyno queen is right. I watched a friend of mine fight with a blown mach 1 for three years. Forged motor and 800 rwhp and he couldn't get out of the 11's. And he could drive. Dyno queen

my grandpa taught me that if you work on something and make it your own you will be a whole lot more proude of wehat you have done, buyin a already blown cobra is a copout on the do it your self mods!

That's because it is 10 years older. Its a great platform but its dated. Is it outdated, no. Is the 4valve better, no. Ford needed 4 valves to make as much power as the LS1. Cobra to LS1 is apples to oranges. Its blown versus NA, of course blown is going to win stock to stock or slightly modded. Its all in what you like and what you want to do. If you want to put time and effort into building something fun and fast, keep the fbody. If you want to do it easily and cheaply, get the cobra. But you'll get more sense of accomplishment from the fbody.

The guy who said the cobra is a dyno queen is right. I watched a friend of mine fight with a blown mach 1 for three years. Forged motor and 800 rwhp and he couldn't get out of the 11's. And he could drive. Dyno queen

Alright, I seriously LOL'd at the bolded part. I really wish I could fit that into my sig.. Because that is hilarious. I dont even know where to begin with this one.

First.. You know theres more to a car than just a dyno number.. Right? Just because a car makes great power, doesnt mean theyre going to run fast at the track. I've seen 1000rwhp vettes run 10's... Because they couldnt hook up. Tell your buddy with the Mach 1 who is a "good driver" to set his car up right then.

Cobra's arent dyno queens. I cant believe I'm even reading that, or people actually think that... They can hold their own on the streets and at the track. Please, go tell that to a bolt-on cobra with your bolt-on T/A, and let me know how it goes. Pullied/ported cobra's have made it deep into the 11's.. We wont even talk about what a properly setup KB cobra could do... Nevermind a TT one.

Is the 4valve better, no. Ford needed 4 valves to make as much power as the LS1.

Yes, Ford needed 4 valves but an LSX needs more displacement. Who cares how the power is made as long as it's a big number?

Anyone that has doubts about their LSX car should buy a cobra. Go Modular and see if you dont come crying back haha

That hood is bad ass makes your car, Just put a blower on the z aint like you dont have the hood clearence lol. I bought my wife a 2000 mustang V6 it wasnt a terminator but rode like a shit box. Plus short wheel base tend 2 oversteer lol thats any mustang tho.
The blower sound is sooo sick sounding plus any mustang sound awsome,But i dont think i would spend the cash on one. Just put a blower on your car

Alright, I seriously LOL'd at the bolded part. I really wish I could fit that into my sig.. Because that is hilarious. I dont even know where to begin with this one. First.. You know theres more to a car than just a dyno number.. Right? Just because a car makes great power, doesnt mean theyre going to run fast at the track. I've seen 1000rwhp vettes run 10's... Because they couldnt hook up. Tell your buddy with the Mach 1 who is a "good driver" to set his car up right then. Cobra's arent dyno queens. I cant believe I'm even reading that, or people actually think that... They can hold their own on the streets and at the track. Please, go tell that to a bolt-on cobra with your bolt-on T/A, and let me know how it goes. Pullied/ported cobra's have made it deep into the 11's.. We wont even talk about what a properly setup KB cobra could do... Nevermind a TT one.

That's all true but the point I was trying to make was that the cobra motor isn't better than the LS1 and that comparing the cobra to the LS1 is comparing two different vehicles. Yeah the cobra can be fast but its blown. It should be faster than the fbody simply because of that, and if it wasn't then it would have been sad. Put a blower on a LS motor and see if the cobra is still tops. I'm not saying that the cobra is not a nice ride, I'm just pointing out that its not so much greater than the fbody like everybody makes out. You have to put it into perspective.

DEFINITELY stick with the camaro man! looks and sounds way more aggressive. camaro's have way nicer rides as well! instead of buying a cobra, go all out with the camaro and go show those stangs whose boss.its definitely way more satisfying to have a basemodel car that you built up yourself beat another car than to have a more-expensive bone-stock car that kills all the others. "built not bought" right? all just my opinion of course..

That hood is bad ass makes your car, Just put a blower on the z aint like you dont have the hood clearence lol. I bought my wife a 2000 mustang V6 it wasnt a terminator but rode like a shit box. Plus short wheel base tend 2 oversteer lol thats any mustang tho.
The blower sound is sooo sick sounding plus any mustang sound awsome,But i dont think i would spend the cash on one. Just put a blower on your car

Ya, thats probably going to be the plan or now.

thanks !

DEFINITELY stick with the camaro man! looks and sounds way more aggressive. camaro's have way nicer rides as well! instead of buying a cobra, go all out with the camaro and go show those stangs whose boss.its definitely way more satisfying to have a basemodel car that you built up yourself beat another car than to have a more-expensive bone-stock car that kills all the others. "built not bought" right? all just my opinion of course..


Thanks man, and ya that's what I like too.

I actually had the chance to buy a c5 this summer but I passed simply for the fact that I love wrenching on and modding the Z.

The thought, planning and research that go into "that next mod", and then feeling that mod for the first time is what keeps it interesting and fun to me.

I would definitely own a 03/04 Cobra. Only if I had loads of money laying around. I'm too in love with Trans Ams to even think about the fastest Mustang possible. I'll stick my love of the LS motors and Trans Ams even if it's slower. It takes a lot more than a more powerful motor to sell me on a car.

Now if the conversation was Camaro vs C6 Z06.. Well that's a different story :devil:

I would definitely own a 03/04 Cobra. Only if I had loads of money laying around. I'm too in love with Trans Ams to even think about the fastest Mustang possible. I'll stick my love of the LS motors and Trans Ams even if it's slower. It takes a lot more than a more powerful motor to sell me on a car.

Now if the conversation was Camaro vs C6 Z06.. Well that's a different story :devil:

But think about how sickeningly bad you could make your T/A, in place of spending the money on the vette...... :eek2:

Don't do it..........

Let's be serious, GM does it with displacement, Ford with boost. Oh wait, what about that new 5.0? That's making almost the same power as an LS3 with 1.2L less, no boost either. A Ford 4v mod motor will eat up an LS motor of equal displacement, but since they can do it with less, why bother? I really hope your post was sarcastic, otherwise its sad to see some so misinformed. GM makes a 4.8L LS based motor, and it only makes 270hp, and that's with 0.2L more than the old Ford 4.6. The 3v and 4v mod motors beat that, got an answer to that?

Yes, in the past N/A Fords were weak but they aren't anything to laugh at now. Well, actually the Cobra R motor wasn't very weak, and the Mach 1's 4v wasn't too shabby, but definitely was lacking once modded.

But to answer your question, no we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't supercharged. However, it is blown and therefore you can't bitch about it. It's the most childish debate ever. Each chose their own way of making power, the Ford just ended up with more.

Each of these cars has their own advantages/disadvantages, which have all been beaten dead soooooo many times over the years. The OP should just drive a Cobra and see how he likes it. There is no 1 car that is best for everyone.

Calm down, i get the whole smaller engine, more valves, more revs, forged thing. all im saying is having more motor and still getting good gas mileage is the way to go. if the fbodys were 7-8 grand more that money would have to go somewhere like forging internals or adding a s/c cuz everything else is there. i like power under the curve and the general feel of torque thats also there under the curve. :engarde:

forged internals are no joke. my buddy has a 2liter boosted s2k with stock motor and 15 pounds. like 480whp/310wtq. its serious on the roll. but my bolt on ls1 digs his ass right out the mud. till 60 70 easy. nice boost and all but where was he at the start/fun part? now mustangs have more start than a boosted s2k but stalled ls1's with a good 1320 setup are hard to catch for either :D

I work at a classic/performance car dealership and we recently had a white '03 Terminator with 500rwhp. The car looked and rode stock, but the sound was incredible!!! And the acceleration was brutal. There is not one thing about the car that I didn't absolutely love. In fact, if I had 26 grand to dish out on the beautiful, fast, loud, mint under 8k miles on the clock cobra, it would be sitting in my garage right now.

HOWEVER, would it be parked in the spot that my '72 Formula or '96 TA are currently in? HELL NO. Yes the cobra would blow my doors off in either car, but I am a Pontiac guy at heart, and to buy a Ford, no matter how amazing it is, I wouldn't be able to live in peace know what I just did.

My point is, do what feels right to you. If you are a loyal chevy guy and you really love camaros, then keep it. It's okay to be curious about another brand or style, but if you got the car because you had to have it, then that's the reason you should keep it. You can always find a Terminator later on, but if you get it now at the price of you Z28, will you be able to get it back?

I work at a classic/performance car dealership and we recently had a white '03 Terminator with 500rwhp. The car looked and rode stock, but the sound was incredible!!! And the acceleration was brutal. There is not one thing about the car that I didn't absolutely love. In fact, if I had 26 grand to dish out on the beautiful, fast, loud, mint under 8k miles on the clock cobra, it would be sitting in my garage right now.

HOWEVER, would it be parked in the spot that my '72 Formula or '96 TA are currently in? HELL NO. Yes the cobra would blow my doors off in either car, but I am a Pontiac guy at heart, and to buy a Ford, no matter how amazing it is, I wouldn't be able to live in peace know what I just did.

My point is, do what feels right to you. If you are a loyal chevy guy and you really love camaros, then keep it. It's okay to be curious about another brand or style, but if you got the car because you had to have it, then that's the reason you should keep it. You can always find a Terminator later on, but if you get it now at the price of you Z28, will you be able to get it back?


I feel as though if I sold the Z, I'd be seriously shooting myself in the foot a few months after.

I feel as though if I sold the Z, I'd be seriously shooting myself in the foot a few months after.

One thing i have learned over time is you are always "shooting yourself in the foot" when you get rid of a car you have a lot of time and money in...Took me a while to realize it but i am a loyal chevy guy but i do like other cars..But anyone who says an 03 cobra doesnt have any lowend power is out of their flipping mind..Pullied and blower swapped cobras have so much lowend torque that it is retarted!!!!!!I hear a lot of chevy and ford guys talk shit back and forth while most of them have never driven a termi...If you have you know exacty what im talking about...They are fast and if you can get them to hook they aint no joke.....

I've considered making the swap myself. Saw a ported/bolton 04 Cobra pull pretty hard on a local C5 with a cam and a 150 shot. Sounded sweet as hell doing it, too.

The buy in cost is what keeps me away. Around here a nice one is $20k+

It just isn't realistic for me right now.

Drove a 04 termi and there okay... stock not all that but modded well another story. But I would replace the Eaton with a kenne or whipple. 04 Termi + 3.2L Whipple = Good nite everyone

I feel as though if I sold the Z, I'd be seriously shooting myself in the foot a few months after.

naw you wouldn't man. Cobra's are great cars and well build. not that a Camaro isn't. But 4v heads flow like a motha, forged bottom end, trade your IRS for a straight axel straight up, swap the 6 speed for an auto. A lot of the bullshit wieght is in the IRS. Personally I'd scrap the Heaton and go Turbo.

Either way your can't go wrong. I mean you could get a 2v :headbang:

Screw that i owned a cobra and i can honestly say only thing i liked about it was the handling. 4.6 motors SUCK i kept getting beat by ls motors so i sold the pustang to get a real car. Stay a big boy i owned a cobra back in highschool which was cool then but now i realize how big of a waste of time and money it was. And an embarassement . I just wanted to throw my opinion out there cause i HATE mustangs and i dont want to see you get back on here posting how sad you are cause u sold it.

Ok i read some other posts and i didnt see yall were talking about term. I have no clue what those are or what they are about so i wont say anything more about it

The Terminator is the nickname for the 03/04 Cobras.

if your having doubts then dont get the term. i been debating on selling my coupe and getting a z28 or ss for awhile. but when i think about it i'd miss my car too much. and i thought about just buying a ss next summer but my girlfriend would be pissed if i had two hotrods.

Screw that i owned a cobra and i can honestly say only thing i liked about it was the handling. 4.6 motors SUCK i kept getting beat by ls motors so i sold the pustang to get a real car. Stay a big boy i owned a cobra back in highschool which was cool then but now i realize how big of a waste of time and money it was. And an embarassement . I just wanted to throw my opinion out there cause i HATE mustangs and i dont want to see you get back on here posting how sad you are cause u sold it.

BUAHAHA! By this reply alone I'd just have to say... BULL$HIT! If you owned a 03/04 COBRA you would have respect for a little 4.6. You might have owned a Cobra, but not a 03/04 because if you did then you wouldn't be talking like that. Your reply sounds like a true fan boy.

BUAHAHA! By this reply alone I'd just have to say... BULL$HIT! If you owned a 03/04 COBRA you would have respect for a little 4.6. You might have owned a Cobra, but not a 03/04 because if you did then you wouldn't be talking like that. Your reply sounds like a true fan boy.

Agreed.

BUAHAHA! By this reply alone I'd just have to say... BULL$HIT! If you owned a 03/04 COBRA you would have respect for a little 4.6. You might have owned a Cobra, but not a 03/04 because if you did then you wouldn't be talking like that. Your reply sounds like a true fan boy.

Yeah uh the 2003-2004 cobra...The one you can make fast without having to to put a new motor in it..Yeah that one hahaha..No ford people get mad i am just kidding! They are slow as shit tho ill say that! I wouldnt recomend driving one mile before pullying that mofo:chug:

if your having doubts then dont get the term. i been debating on selling my coupe and getting a z28 or ss for awhile. but when i think about it i'd miss my car too much. and i thought about just buying a ss next summer but my girlfriend would be pissed if i had two hotrods.


If the GF starts telling you what you can drive then it's time for a new GF. Yes Pu$$y rules the world but there is too much of it out there to let it run your life. You do what makes you happy and find a chick that likes it too...Been there done that and I like my motor more than I do my ex....

Off topic but just had to talk to this grasshopper....

Thanks !

The real issues here are:

1) I already have a decently built Ls1 car with a good amount invested.

2) I haven't located a Cobra, It's just on my mind

3)The Cobra is vastly more expensive,


Damn.

If you can afford it & thats what you really want do it! Its about the only Mustang I would have, or maybe a new 5.0.

I am Ford guy as you can tell but I would prob take a 03/04 Mach 1 over the Termi.

Reasons-
SRA
Alum Block
Same heads
forged crank in the 5 speeds(easy to swap auto)
retro fitted
light drag suspension stock
cheaper

all you need its rods,pistons, and boost and your set

also stock with the 10.1:1 CR it does like boost like your LSx motors

I am Ford guy as you can tell but I would prob take a 03/04 Mach 1 over the Termi.

Reasons-
SRA
Alum Block
Same heads
forged crank in the 5 speeds(easy to swap auto)
retro fitted
light drag suspension stock
cheaper

all you need its rods,pistons, and boost and your set

also stock with the 10.1:1 CR it does like boost like your LSx motors

Aluminum block:confused::confused:

I am Ford guy as you can tell but I would prob take a 03/04 Mach 1 over the Termi.

Reasons-
SRA
Alum Block
Same heads
forged crank in the 5 speeds(easy to swap auto)
retro fitted
light drag suspension stock
cheaper

all you need its rods,pistons, and boost and your set

also stock with the 10.1:1 CR it does like boost like your LSx motors



Thanks man I'll keep that in mind, good info to know. So I'm assuming the mach's have an axle instead of IRS ?

Also what is SRA ?

Sorry, haven't owned a Mustang before so don't really catch the lingo. Have just passively admired them (the termi's) kinda thing. I'd consider a mach for a DD, and save the Camaro for the real power/performance

hahaha, pullin your leg there.

I don't think i could drive a mustang in the winter here in MI seeing as our winters are as nasty as Oprah's vagina.

If the GF starts telling you what you can drive then it's time for a new GF. Yes Pu$$y rules the world but there is too much of it out there to let it run your life. You do what makes you happy and find a chick that likes it too...Been there done that and I like my motor more than I do my ex....

Off topic but just had to talk to this grasshopper....

she dont tell me what to drive and never will. she enjoys my car as much as i do, however i cant justify having 2 hotrods and neither can she.

Thanks man I'll keep that in mind, good info to know. So I'm assuming the mach's have an axle instead of IRS ?

Also what is SRA ?

Sorry, haven't owned a Mustang before so don't really catch the lingo. Have just passively admired them (the termi's) kinda thing. I'd consider a mach for a DD, and save the Camaro for the real power/performance

hahaha, pullin your leg there.



sra= SOLID REAR AXLE.

Aluminum block:confused::confused:

Yup. IIRC it's a WAP (Windsor Alum Plant) block.

Also the 96-99 and some 01 Cobra's are alum blocks called Teskid whick are made in Italy and are strong as shit. 1000plus rwhp blocks. Some other 01 Cobra's were WAP blocks along with the Mach's

Thanks man I'll keep that in mind, good info to know. So I'm assuming the mach's have an axle instead of IRS ?

Also what is SRA ?

Sorry, haven't owned a Mustang before so don't really catch the lingo. Have just passively admired them (the termi's) kinda thing. I'd consider a mach for a DD, and save the Camaro for the real power/performance

hahaha, pullin your leg there.

:engarde: haha funny

Back in 03 I HAD to have a new Cobra so I went down and bought one. At the time we also had a "like new" 01 WS6. On the ride home from picking up the Cobra my and I switched cars. When we got home she got out of the Cobra and said "I dont like it". After driving it for a while I really didnt like alot of things about it either.
It was a fun car because it was fast ,12.6 @113 stock and 11.41 with a pulley,tune,cat back and Nittos but that was about it. I ended up selling it not long after and my wife kept the WS6. To this day my wife and I both say that our WS6 was the best car we have ever owend.

FWIW I just bought my wife another "sunny day" driver and it wasnt a Cobra.:nod: we got another LS1 SS.

I say ,keep your car and build a good bottom end and throw some boost at it.

Oh ya look at my sig.:D

Back in 03 I HAD to have a new Cobra so I went down and bought one. At the time we also had a "like new" 01 WS6. On the ride home from picking up the Cobra my and I switched cars. When we got home she got out of the Cobra and said "I dont like it". After driving it for a while I really didnt like alot of things about it either.
It was a fun car because it was fast ,12.6 @113 stock and 11.41 with a pulley,tune,cat back and Nittos but that was about it. I ended up selling it not long after and my wife kept the WS6. To this day my wife and I both say that our WS6 was the best car we have ever owend.

FWIW I just bought my wife another "sunny day" driver and it wasnt a Cobra.:nod: we got another LS1 SS.

I say ,keep your car and build a good bottom end and throw some boost at it.


Ya thats always an option. But do I throw a D1sc at the engine I have or just drop in a 454 LSx haha :devil:

sra= SOLID REAR AXLE.

MMmmm your wisdom inspires me.

:bang: < I should have known what SRA stood for lol.

she dont tell me what to drive and never will. she enjoys my car as much as i do, however i cant justify having 2 hotrods and neither can she.

I couldn't justify having only 2 either, so I stepped it up to 3. :lol:

MMmmm your wisdom inspires me.

:bang: < I should have known what SRA stood for lol.


wisdom? not really. ive just been around too long lol.

I think RPM has the best logic here.

I think RPM has the best logic here.

I will openly admit though, that my logic can be dangerous. This "logic" had me owing 5 cars for a while..... that's 5 plates, 5 insurance payments, 5 cars to maintain..... yeah, maybe that logic is better in theory than in pratice. :D

5 cars is my absolute limit though. I was able to handle that, but any more would have been insane. I've made a pledge to myself that I can't ever surpass that number. :lol:

I have a friend that's up to 8 cars now. He's managing, but when you have that many, some of them end up being neglected.

wisdom? not really. ive just been around too long lol.

Ya, it was a joke. Don't flatter yourself. :eyes:



(hahha, kidding again of course)

I will openly admit though, that my logic can be dangerous. This "logic" had me owing 5 cars for a while..... that's 5 plates, 5 insurance payments, 5 cars to maintain..... yeah, maybe that logic is better in theory than in pratice. :D

5 cars is my absolute limit though. I was able to handle that, but any more would have been insane. I've made a pledge to myself that I can't ever surpass that number. :lol:

I have a friend that's up to 8 cars now. He's managing, but when you have that many, some of them end up being neglected.


Wouldn't you rather have 1 really sick car, maybe a motorcycle, and use the cash surplus of 6 cars to pay for a mortgage... or something?

I can say I absolutely love my 00 Firehawk and have zero plans of getting rid of it, unless the price is right of course...but two of my friends have 03 termi's and ive raced one of them an daily drove the other and their definitely absolutely awesome machines. I just couldnt justify spending roughly 20-25k for a car with so many weak points in it, I say weak points strictly from the issues Ive seen an heard from the owners themselves, I give credit where credit is due and Ford def deserves credit for the 03-04's....make friends with a cobra owner an get behind the wheel of one then make your major decision.

Wouldn't you rather have 1 really sick car, maybe a motorcycle, and use the cash surplus of 6 cars to pay for a mortgage... or something?

One thing I have learned after about 15 years in this hobby, it's not possibile to do everything I want to do with just one car, for many reasons. I enjoy modern F-bodies, but I also want to have some old school muscle, so that right there requires two cars. Then my wife needs a car, and I need a daily driver, so that's two more. So I guess you could say that 4 is my minimum. :)

None of the cars have ever effected my housing plans/budget. And all of these cars are paid for, with the two seldom driven cars under collector insurance (very affordable), and super-cheap registration costs for the old car. So at this point the cost of ownership is actually pretty low. I could never afford to do this if I had payments on all these various cars at the same time though...lol.

One thing I have learned after about 15 years in this hobby, it's not possibile to do everything I want to do with just one car, for many reasons. I enjoy modern F-bodies, but I also want to have some old school muscle, so that right there requires two cars. Then my wife needs a car, and I need a daily driver, so that's two more. So I guess you could say that 4 is my minimum. :)

None of the cars have ever effected my housing plans/budget. And all of these cars are paid for, with the two seldom driven cars under collector insurance (very affordable), and super-cheap registration costs for the old car. So at this point the cost of ownership is actually pretty low. I could never afford to do this if I had payments on all these various cars at the same time though...lol.

Finally someone that knows how i feel..Pretty much a car for everyday of the week:D

I couldn't justify having only 2 either, so I stepped it up to 3. :lol:

some people have more money than sense, and you just proved that:devil:

your just being a sissy :engarde: hahaha well I don't Daily Drive my SS, but I could if I wanted to. Even with all the mods I have done, it still drives nice and smooth! I love the Cobra's as well( I heard they are a pain in the ass to drive with the clutch, don't lie). But I'd have to have both. I couldn't ditch my Camaro for one since I have had a F-Body since 98, I guess I'm car loyal. :)

I've had 3 f-bodies, and 2 were much more modified than my formula but easier to drive. I just like the cobra better. I love the new edge styling, although the interior doesn't do much for anybody. So far the only thing I hate is the gas mileage and people ALWAYS trying to talk to me about it. I had some jackass trying to tell me about saleens and how only 200 are made a year when I was trying to get gas today.

Plus everybody I know loves this sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLE0nvQLSHs

some people have more money than sense, and you just proved that:devil:

It's not my fault that you can't afford more toys. :P

Plus everybody I know loves this sound

Eh, I think Cobra blowers are quite annoying when you are riding in the car

Eh, I think Cobra blowers are quite annoying when you are riding in the car


I think it sounds pretty cool. But I don't think it sounds as good as a big choppy cam. Especially early in the morning when you leave for work

haha

Eh, I think Cobra blowers are quite annoying when you are riding in the car

I barely ever hear mine, unless I get on it pretty hard. Normal day to day, not a peep from it. Now a whipple or KB you will probably hear more.

It's not my fault that you can't afford more toys. :P

never said i couldnt did i....:D

Eh, I think Cobra blowers are quite annoying when you are riding in the car

Dont hear it untill you get on it.....

Plus everybody I know loves this sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLE0nvQLSHs


Love that whine :devil:

Dont hear it untill you get on it.....

Definitely a cool sound

I've had 3 f-bodies, and 2 were much more modified than my formula but easier to drive. I just like the cobra better. I love the new edge styling, although the interior doesn't do much for anybody. So far the only thing I hate is the gas mileage and people ALWAYS trying to talk to me about it. I had some jackass trying to tell me about saleens and how only 200 are made a year when I was trying to get gas today.

Plus everybody I know loves this sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLE0nvQLSHs

If you dont mind me asking, what do those things get for mileage around town? Driving "normal" and maybe getting on it once, maybe twice.

I've had 3 f-bodies, and 2 were much more modified than my formula but easier to drive. I just like the cobra better. I love the new edge styling, although the interior doesn't do much for anybody. So far the only thing I hate is the gas mileage and people ALWAYS trying to talk to me about it. I had some jackass trying to tell me about saleens and how only 200 are made a year when I was trying to get gas today.

Plus everybody I know loves this sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLE0nvQLSHs

Nice to see a terminator booking it with almost 92,000 miles on it...What kind of problems or issues have you had with the car if any? Mine is about to hit 79,000 so its getting on up there as well. I have heard of a lot of cobras running around with a lot of miles on them but never heard any feedback...

Nice to see a terminator booking it with almost 92,000 miles on it...What kind of problems or issues have you had with the car if any? Mine is about to hit 79,000 so its getting on up there as well. I have heard of a lot of cobras running around with a lot of miles on them but never heard any feedback...

It's hard to imagine 79k as being high mileage for a modern vehicle with current technology and engineering? I mean, maybe in 1975, but why should you not expect 150-200k ?

It's hard to imagine 79k as being high mileage for a modern vehicle with current technology and engineering? I mean, maybe in 1975, but why should you not expect 150-200k ?

Depends on how its been driven of course but i have seen a lot of transmissions start having problems around that mileage...My main concern is how the stock blower holds up with the higher mileage...Just seems like to me it would start getting a little "tired"with age...I guess that seems like high mileage to me considering my 2 vettes combined have 18k on them lol

Depends on how its been driven of course but i have seen a lot of transmissions start having problems around that mileage...My main concern is how the stock blower holds up with the higher mileage...Just seems like to me it would start getting a little "tired"with age...I guess that seems like high mileage to me considering my 2 vettes combined have 18k on them lol

The Eaton units are damn well built blowers. They are engineered as OEM equipment from the start, which is why they rarely have any trouble.

If you change the S/C oil at the scheduled intervals then the blower should last indefinitely.

The Eaton units are damn well built blowers. They are engineered as OEM equipment from the start, which is why they rarely have any trouble.

If you change the S/C oil at the scheduled intervals then the blower should last indefinitely.

:hijack: How do you change the oil in the blower and what oil should i use? This i something i need to do bc i bought the car with 76k from carmax and i highly doubt they serviced it even though they supposedly go through their cars pretty well...I also doubt the "average joe" includes this in any kind of routine maintenance so i think i should go ahead and do it...I have also been thinking about servicing my rearend and tranny but i have heard a lot of people having problems after changing the fluid in their transmissions....Should i go ahead and do this since i am daily driving it?I know this isnt a mustang forum but i figured i would ask...Matt

:hijack: How do you change the oil in the blower and what oil should i use? This i something i need to do bc i bought the car with 76k from carmax and i highly doubt they serviced it even though they supposedly go through their cars pretty well...I also doubt the "average joe" includes this in any kind of routine maintenance so i think i should go ahead and do it...I have also been thinking about servicing my rearend and tranny but i have heard a lot of people having problems after changing the fluid in their transmissions....Should i go ahead and do this since i am daily driving it?I know this isnt a mustang forum but i figured i would ask...Matt

:google: Ford recomends changing oil after 100k miles..Others recomend every 50k...If pullied recomended every 15k miles...And its easy to do! Gotta love the internet:D

I'm so attached to this thing ^^^^


That's my problem: I'm emotionally involved with this car (No homo)
i am only back up to page 4 when i read this. hope someone said since then to keep your car than cause it would only be a regret to change. when money becomes available to have both then look for a terminator.

i am going back to page 5 now to finish playing catch up.

Nice to see a terminator booking it with almost 92,000 miles on it...What kind of problems or issues have you had with the car if any? Mine is about to hit 79,000 so its getting on up there as well. I have heard of a lot of cobras running around with a lot of miles on them but never heard any feedback...

There's a guy on another forum with 250,xxx on his 03/04 Cobra. He's had to replace a few things, but I can't remember off the top of my head

Man there is nothing like the whine of the supercharger on a cobra. If I had the money I would be driving one right now. 95% of Mustangs are gay, but the Cobra is beautiful man...

Not to mention they are pretty much BUILT to handle anything you throw at them from the factory.... great car.

im not going to...
it was the best decision ive ever made.

I posted in this thread a few weeks ago about an '03 cobra we had at my work a few months ago... it had headers, a bassani x-pipe, and a borla cat back. Other mods included a pulley swap, blue valve covers, and a few other things to make 500rwhp. It also had american racing wheels. Like I said, it was very fast, and it looked stunning (it was white) with the wheels and valve covers.
We just got in another '03 white cobra. This one is a convertible, and is a one owner car with only 5k miles on it. It is all stock, except for a swap to a smaller pulley. Unlike the other cobra we had, I am very unimpressed. My '08 grand cherokee with the 4.7L sounds nicer than the stock cobra exhaust IMO. In addition, the stock SVT wheels aren't nearly as nice as the american racing wheels that the other one had, and when you open the hood the engine doesn't stand out & turn heads like the other one did simply by having blue valve covers. In addition, the speed is not very impressive.
So what I am trying to say, is I would keep your camaro due to the fact that you have a lot of time and money into it, you already have it nicely modified to your liking, and it seems like you will miss it if it is gone. In my opinion, a stock cobra is not nearly as nice, unless you dress it up a bit and put some performance goodies on it. So basically you are going to have to shell out some more money on top of the already higher prices of a terminator.

Dam that a hard one.. i thing i would keep the z... looks good from the sig

The 03-04 Cobras are my fave and probably the only Mustang I would currently buy (and this is coming from a guy that owned two modded Fox 5.0 GTs) and I could easily have afforded one when I was looking for another toy.

However, to reaffirm what a couple guys said earlier: Why not a C5 Z06? They are the bargain of a lifetime right now. I may be biased, but it's not that hard to get 450rwhp out of a LS6 and have a car that will get it done in any situation...unless you need 4 seats.

In my opinion, a stock cobra is not nearly as nice, unless you dress it up a bit and put some performance goodies on it. So basically you are going to have to shell out some more money on top of the already higher prices of a terminator.

wow. hey thats your opinion and thats cool, but:
-american racing wheels over stock cobra wheels? fail :eyes:
-cobra interior > any f-body interior

i could go on and on... but i have a feeling this thread doesnt even matter any more.

I'm going to say keep the Camaro.. Maybe even toss a turbo on it or a procharger. Do you have any suspension work done? If so, I think your Camaro > Cobra with a little boost, although I have never driven a Cobra. Might have to test drive one. Best of luck with your decision..

wow. hey thats your opinion and thats cool, but:
-american racing wheels over stock cobra wheels? fail :eyes:
-cobra interior > any f-body interior

The stock cobra wheels aren't bad at all. The interior could have used some work. The seats might be a little better but the rest isn't very good for the price of the car and seems to be very comparable to an F-body. Also being taller I seem to not sit comfortably in mustangs.

I'm going to say keep the Camaro.. Maybe even toss a turbo on it or a procharger. Do you have any suspension work done? If so, I think your Camaro > Cobra with a little boost, although I have never driven a Cobra. Might have to test drive one. Best of luck with your decision..

obviously... 346 ci vs 281 ci

apples and oranges.

REGARDLESS, what did the OP decide? Any updates?

The stock cobra wheels aren't bad at all. The interior could have used some work. The seats might be a little better but the rest isn't very good for the price of the car and seems to be very comparable to an F-body. Also being taller I seem to not sit comfortably in mustangs.

The seats are ALOT better. Hell, the base cloth seats are better. I own both, so I know (2V not 4V). The interior is downright superior to an F-car. What's your status, 'OP?

if ur gonna get rid of your car, at least get A real car like a supra, easily capable to make crazy power

If you can afford the Cobra go for it

if ur gonna get rid of your car, at least get A real car like a supra, easily capable to make crazy power

you shuold be banned. :gtfo:

if ur gonna get rid of your car, at least get A real car like a supra, easily capable to make crazy power

Yeah, a toyota, that's a great choice! :thumbsdow

This thread has gone on long enough.....