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07 z71 silverado
12-18-2010, 02:33 AM
02 camaro ss
Heads, cam, fast 92, and all the other goodies with 3.90 gear and m6 and on a 50 shot. made 505 rwhp on the 50 shot. He's also on street tires.

03 mustang gt

boltons, 3.73 gears, 5 speed, 125 shot on mt street radials

Yes the gt is pretty fast he has gone 7.90's in the 1/8th at 94. the track prep wasn't good and he couldnt launch it hard so its really around a 7.7- 7.8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZJDbFeomR8


lemons12
12-18-2010, 02:50 AM
Street tires vs a good drag radial? I would say good death but that was asking to get beat..

Good run either way.. reach with a tire :)

Mystic Z-28
12-18-2010, 05:14 AM
Looks about right to me. A 380ish rwhp 2v gets reeled in by a 500 rwhp LS1.


ScreaminRedZ
12-18-2010, 06:48 AM
Good race, thanks for sharing!

I'll never understand why people bother with street tires on cars making so much horsepower.

P.S. Putting the camera in the car makes for much better videos :secret2:

1slow2valve
12-18-2010, 09:49 AM
I like the set up on the gt:secret2: Has the gt been tuned?

95Prplppletrz28
12-18-2010, 10:29 AM
7.90s in the 1/8th with bolt ons, gears, and spray? Wow my bolt on lt1 done that....impressive

94Mustang302ci
12-18-2010, 10:31 AM
7.90s in the 1/8th with bolt ons, gears, and spray? Wow my bolt on lt1 done that....impressive

Guess'd you missed the part where the OP said bad track prep and he couldn't launch hard. Guess you also missed the part where the GT traps 11mph more than you do. :eyes:

95Prplppletrz28
12-18-2010, 10:34 AM
mph dont mean shit....and i did it with stock 3.42 gears not like i was cutting 1.6 60's myself....glad that mph numbers are whats important to you. RICER

1slow2valve
12-18-2010, 10:35 AM
Well this is a street race and mph gives more of an idea of what will happen here, 1 wheel wonder.

95Prplppletrz28
12-18-2010, 10:40 AM
How does the mph give you an idea of what will happen here in this race? The lsx car doesnt list its mph but im sure its 100+- and obviously that didnt help to much. It never stops amazing me how cars with so many mods run to horribly. Id rather have a 310rwhp car running 7.9s than a 450rwhp car running 7.9s any day. Because at the end of the day if the 300hp car runs 7.98@86 and the 450 runs 7.99@96 then guess what that ET matters thats it

1slow2valve
12-18-2010, 10:43 AM
so hows it make you feel that your 310 hp car got beat by my 220 hp car then? :D

95Prplppletrz28
12-18-2010, 10:46 AM
dont make me feel bad that i was in a m6 car with an open differential and was still kind enough to give ur bolt on 3.73 geared 2v 1 car and the hit from a dig. And was sucking you in so hard that I thought I had a large magnet attached to the front of my car and came by you at 100 so hard I almost thought that you ran into something. Oh and not to mention that from a 20 roll you were virtually unseen

1slow2valve
12-18-2010, 10:48 AM
I think you and Mistyz28 must be related.

WSsick
12-18-2010, 11:40 AM
That dude was nailing the gears. Street tires FTL, reeled him in hard though, as he should. Was he powershifting, or are my ears deceiving me?

guess what that ET matters thats it

Do you live your life a quarter mile at a time?

95Prplppletrz28
12-18-2010, 11:46 AM
Yes, for those 13 seconds or less, I'm free!

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 12:15 PM
dont make me feel bad that i was in a m6 car with an open differential and was still kind enough to give ur bolt on 3.73 geared 2v 1 car and the hit from a dig. And was sucking you in so hard that I thought I had a large magnet attached to the front of my car and came by you at 100 so hard I almost thought that you ran into something. Oh and not to mention that from a 20 roll you were virtually unseen

Sounds like you got a badass LT1. You in the SC upstate?

adanieljohnson1
12-18-2010, 01:03 PM
Haha,I love it! A LT1 and 2V talkin shit to eachother! This is some funny shiat... like 2 retarded midgets trying to see who can climb to the top of a tree faster...

lemons12
12-18-2010, 02:12 PM
95prpl or whatever your name is, stop while your ahead.

95Prplppletrz28
12-18-2010, 02:55 PM
I dont have the lt1 as of october. If you read the sig?

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 03:00 PM
Ohhh this is the LS1 that lost to the 2v?

lemons12
12-18-2010, 03:02 PM
I dont have the lt1 as of october. If you read the sig?

Yea, now you have a v6 ls1.

lambaro2806
12-18-2010, 03:05 PM
Yea, now you have a v6 ls1.

:funny::funny::funny::funny::funny::funny:

WSsick
12-18-2010, 03:08 PM
95Prplppletrz28 didn't you answer this:

Sounds like you got a badass LT1. You in the SC upstate?



:corn:

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 03:20 PM
Yea, now you have a v6 ls1.

:jest:

snake95
12-18-2010, 03:28 PM
Yea, now you have a v6 ls1.

:rotflmao:

95Prplppletrz28
12-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Yes I do live in SC

NightmareTA
12-18-2010, 03:46 PM
Yea, now you have a v6 ls1.

That poor car :(


And FYI, mph at the track actually means a SHITLOAD more than you think. MPH generally will tell you how fast a car "should" run with a good 60ft. And for a roll race, a car that MPH's faster will generally pull up top. Pretty sure MPH is almost as important as the ET itself.

WSsick
12-18-2010, 03:57 PM
That poor car :(


And FYI, mph at the track actually means a SHITLOAD more than you think. MPH generally will tell you how fast a car "should" run with a good 60ft. And for a roll race, a car that MPH's faster will generally pull up top. Pretty sure MPH is almost as important as the ET itself.

For certain people yes. To others, ET means absolutely everything and MPH means nothing. I do more street racing then track racing (since ours is closed it doesn't matter which I'd like to do) so MPH is big for me. Too bad my car is slow. :(

NightmareTA
12-18-2010, 04:02 PM
I do much more street racing than anything else as well. MPH was always one of the things I pay close attention to. Guess if just ET floats your boat then thats fine. All the numbers mean something though so it's good to know and understand what they all tell you about a certain car.

Granted I'd probably pay close attention to my mph over my ET with a single tire fire set up!

Redfire 03
12-18-2010, 04:23 PM
Good run op! 2-valves are slow as shit. I almost flushed mine down the toilet when I had it.

94Mustang302ci
12-18-2010, 04:34 PM
mph dont mean shit....and i did it with stock 3.42 gears not like i was cutting 1.6 60's myself....glad that mph numbers are whats important to you. RICER

You're right, MPH doesn't mean shit. We all know on the street that they have timing lights at every intersection and use billboards to post your E.T.

07 z71 silverado
12-18-2010, 04:41 PM
That dude was nailing the gears. Street tires FTL, reeled him in hard though, as he should. Was he powershifting, or are my ears deceiving me?



Do you live your life a quarter mile at a time?
Whoa this blew up fast haha.

Yea the ss was powershifting and he was pulling him hard. That gt is no joke on the street. He down 370 rwhp and 450 rwtq if im not mistaken. when I race that gt it's usually the same outcome I end up right at his back tire at the quarter when im on street tire's. When I do get tire's he is going to be the first one to feel my wrath lol.

The GT really hasn't lost on the street too much around here. He gets out on people and they cant catch him in time.

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 04:50 PM
Yes I do live in SC

Wait, are you the guy that wanted to run my turbo Mustang against your LT1?

916 BREDWNR
12-18-2010, 05:00 PM
Good run op! 2-valves are slow as shit. I almost flushed mine down the toilet when I had it.

Hey that was your fault more or less. Everybody told you to boost that car from the jump. But noooo you wanted to throw a bunch of motor parts at a single-cam 4.6. lol

95Prplppletrz28
12-18-2010, 05:03 PM
I dont think so stopsign. Also I realize how important mph is to determine a street race. obviously a 90mph>85mph car from a roll and its a good number to show power. Im just saying at a track id rather have the lower ET than higher mph

Ke^in
12-18-2010, 05:16 PM
Ohhh this is the LS1 that lost to the 2v?

I've personally seen stock 2vs do it before ;-)

Redfire 03
12-18-2010, 05:16 PM
Hey that was your fault more or less. Everybody told you to boost that car from the jump. But noooo you wanted to throw a bunch of motor parts at a single-cam 4.6. lol

Granted it was the year 1999! And there wasn't much info out on naturally-aspirated 2V build ups, let alone before/after performance tests or even internal/external parts for that motor period. Hell I had no idea all the money I spent on heads, cams, intake, trans, rear, tires, suspension etc. would only be good enough for a low 12-second car that wasn't so "street-friendly" anymore. lol But yeah I should have listen to you guys in the beginning. :D

NightmareTA
12-18-2010, 05:18 PM
I dont think so stopsign. Also I realize how important mph is to determine a street race. obviously a 90mph>85mph car from a roll and its a good number to show power. Im just saying at a track id rather have the lower ET than higher mph

Ok.....I'll agree with you on the track part as well, having a better ET.

MACH32V
12-18-2010, 05:21 PM
mph dont mean shit....and i did it with stock 3.42 gears not like i was cutting 1.6 60's myself....glad that mph numbers are whats important to you. RICER

MPH does not mean shit???? Ohh no!! I have to disagree with you on that!The MPH at the end of the trap means everything. Traps speed is great indicator of how fast a car really is. ET's can get better with suspension, gears or even AWD however, it will not show up that much in the trap speed.

lemons12
12-18-2010, 05:32 PM
My old ms4 car when cam only trapped 92-93mph.. my buddies 5.3 f13 car trapped high high 80 with occasional 90.. I cut bottom 1.6 short times he cut bottom 1.7.. I ran mid 7s he ran mid to high 7s.. EVERY time we ran from a roll (we did everything from 20 to 60) he would jump out about a car to car and half and hold me off. All of our races went to about 125..
Mph doesn't tell you much.. Sure a huge gap like 93 and 85 it is clear or 123 and 115.. but 2-4 mph in the 1/8 or 1/4 is a toss up from a roll. He had a better mid range car.
BTW, we also made within 3rwhp of each other.

Rolls and traps dont matter any way you break it down. Et is all that matters at the end of the day.


*phone

MACH32V
12-18-2010, 05:33 PM
By the way, posting a kill for a 2V GT against an SS Camaro LS1 car is not a disgrace! It is street racing at its finest!. The more powerful car does not always end up winning. The street is not prepped and the more powerful car usually has the hardest time hooking up. Seen it too many times. I think with street racing, the car with less power always has the possibility of winning and that is enough to get him to put up his money. Just my take on this.

MACH32V
12-18-2010, 05:44 PM
My old ms4 car when cam only trapped 92-93mph.. my buddies 5.3 f13 car trapped high high 80 with occasional 90.. I cut bottom 1.6 short times he cut bottom 1.7.. I ran mid 7s he ran mid to high 7s.. EVERY time we ran from a roll (we did everything from 20 to 60) he would jump out about a car to car and half and hold me off. All of our races went to about 125..
Mph doesn't tell you much.. Sure a huge gap like 93 and 85 it is clear or 123 and 115.. but 2-4 mph in the 1/8 or 1/4 is a toss up from a roll. He had a better mid range car.
BTW, we also made within 3rwhp of each other.

Rolls and traps dont matter any way you break it down. Et is all that matters at the end of the day.


*phone

Here is what I am talking about...Putting gears in car will net you a better ET (assuming you can now hook and go). How did this happen?? Did the gears increase your HP or torque? No. (actually you loose Hp) It simply moved your torque curve and allowed your max torque to appear earlier in your rpm range which will get you down the track faster. However, if you look at your trap, you will not see that much of a differnce. Therefore, what I am trying to say is that you car is faster in the 1/8 or 1/4 but your car did not make more power. Your trap can not be manipulated like ETs can. It is a solid indicator that can only change as your power (or weight) changes.

marc97taws6
12-18-2010, 06:01 PM
Dear God... Some of these LT1 guys on here make me glad I'm selling my LT1 soon enough for something much nicer. At least then I won't have to be associated with idiots

505rwhp and running street tires? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. That 2v rolls out!

lemons12
12-18-2010, 06:14 PM
Here is what I am talking about...Putting gears in car will net you a better ET (assuming you can now hook and go). How did this happen?? Did the gears increase your HP or torque? No. (actually you loose Hp) It simply moved your torque curve and allowed your max torque to appear earlier in your rpm range which will get you down the track faster. However, if you look at your trap, you will not see that much of a differnce. Therefore, what I am trying to say is that you car is faster in the 1/8 or 1/4 but your car did not make more power. Your trap can not be manipulated like ETs can. It is a solid indicator that can only change as your power (or weight) changes.

I understand what you are saying completely. I have owned and drove in races from bone stock to bone stock with nitrous to h/c cars etc etc and everything inbetween. I have seen enough races (while knowing what both cars mods Dyno numbers and et/traps were) to know that trap speed means little to nothing in any race as long as we are talking with 5mph of eah other.
I have raced people that make 40rwhp more than me and pulled them by two lengths from 40-130.. I have lost by a length to people that make less rwhp and weigh more than me.
Trap means little to nothing.. Not looking to argue it, I know it to be fact. I have seen way, way too many races to back that fact to even attempt to try to change my mind. If you believe otherwise, so be it.:)

MACH32V
12-18-2010, 07:09 PM
I understand what you are saying completely. I have owned and drove in races from bone stock to bone stock with nitrous to h/c cars etc etc and everything inbetween. I have seen enough races (while knowing what both cars mods Dyno numbers and et/traps were) to know that trap speed means little to nothing in any race as long as we are talking with 5mph of eah other.
I have raced people that make 40rwhp more than me and pulled them by two lengths from 40-130.. I have lost by a length to people that make less rwhp and weigh more than me.
Trap means little to nothing.. Not looking to argue it, I know it to be fact. I have seen way, way too many races to back that fact to even attempt to try to change my mind. If you believe otherwise, so be it.:)

Yea..I agree. there are other vaiables that do come into play that can cause things to happen that do not makes sense when looking at Hp, torque or traps speeds. No doubt. :chug:

m_liel
12-18-2010, 07:14 PM
Nice run. LS1 was reelin' em in quick!

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 07:16 PM
HP TO WEIGHT RATIO!! THATS ALL THAT MATTERS IN RACING!!!






that and make sure you have a H or A on the front of your hood. :cool:

madmike9396
12-18-2010, 07:21 PM
never seen a V6 ls1 must be new ! Care to explain ?




Yea, now you have a v6 ls1.

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 07:24 PM
never seen a V6 ls1 must be new ! Care to explain ?

Look at what you got brah! You think that thngs got a v8? dint think so

madmike9396
12-18-2010, 07:38 PM
Look at what you got brah! You think that thngs got a v8? dint think so


Sorry i dont wear a Brah :confused:

What happend to your signature where u had that 80 year old woman standing beside that Rustang with her thongs down to her knees ? That was so disgusting with the wrinkly knees :barf:

or i may have u confused with someone else

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 08:03 PM
Sorry i dont wear a Brah :confused:

What happend to your signature where u had that 80 year old woman standing beside that Rustang with her thongs down to her knees ? That was so disgusting with the wrinkly knees :barf:

or i may have u confused with someone else

Atlet we knoow where the retarrd of the yare award gos to

The Manalishi
12-18-2010, 08:06 PM
Atlet we knoow where the retarrd of the yare award gos to

How many drinks have you had now dude? LOL!

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 08:11 PM
How many drinks have you had now dude? LOL!

4 or 5 i think. you? I knoiw you said you were going to

madmike9396
12-18-2010, 08:12 PM
yeah i think he had one to many ! Its ok those ford guys are something else. Kinda like special people :D

Hell if i had a ford id have to get drunk to live with my self also.






How many drinks have you had now dude? LOL!

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 08:14 PM
yeah i think he had one to many ! Its ok those ford guys are something else. Kinda like special people :D

Hell if i had a ford id have to get drunk to live with my self also.

:punch: my ford will kick your ponisacs butt

madmike9396
12-18-2010, 08:21 PM
LMAO probaly will !!! its just a v6 remember

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 08:24 PM
V6 hawk solstac

The Manalishi
12-18-2010, 08:25 PM
4 or 5 i think. you? I knoiw you said you were going to

I'm just drinking beer right now but I will probably have some Scotch or some Makers here in a few. I don't use a mixer so I usually just have two or three glasses and call it good.

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 08:30 PM
theres no loveo n srk tonight :(

madmike9396
12-18-2010, 08:31 PM
I had good old moon shine last night since were on the subject (To the op sorry for the all the bs)

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 08:36 PM
I havent had any hooch in a long time.

02sleeperz28
12-18-2010, 08:44 PM
Decent video thanks for sharing.

The Mustang jumped out pretty good. Street tires FTL.

The Manalishi
12-18-2010, 08:46 PM
I havent had any hooch in a long time.

I luvs me some hooch. Is that enough luv in the SRK? LOL!

madmike9396
12-18-2010, 08:57 PM
lets just say the hooch laid me out lol

Stopsign32v
12-18-2010, 09:00 PM
Decent video thanks for sharing.

The Mustang jumped out pretty good. Street tires FTL.

:eyes: Way to be on topic

lemons12
12-18-2010, 11:22 PM
never seen a V6 ls1 must be new ! Care to explain ?
Check his sig.
Look at what you got brah! You think that thngs got a v8? dint think so
I got an inline six thank you.
:eyes: Way to be on topic
noobz

NightmareTA
12-19-2010, 01:31 AM
Rolls and traps dont matter any way you break it down. Et is all that matters at the end of the day.


*phone

I'm going to have to disagree a little. If your familiar with trap speeds and ET's, the trap speed will give you a good idea of what you "should" run. If I'm at the track and I fudge the launch and run a 14.0 at 109 mph, at least I know I should be in the 12's with a driver mod (unless I'm in a turbo honda....then that becomes the standard time :D). Thats one way I look at it.

And also, 9 times out of 10, the car that traps higher wins in all my roll race experience. There has def been a few races that were an exception to that, but it's not the norm from what I've personally seen.

lemons12
12-19-2010, 01:57 AM
I'm going to have to disagree a little. If your familiar with trap speeds and ET's, the trap speed will give you a good idea of what you "should" run. If I'm at the track and I fudge the launch and run a 14.0 at 109 mph, at least I know I should be in the 12's with a driver mod (unless I'm in a turbo honda....then that becomes the standard time :D). Thats one way I look at it.

And also, 9 times out of 10, the car that traps higher wins in all my roll race experience. There has def been a few races that were an exception to that, but it's not the norm from what I've personally seen.

Eh, I could care less what it could do.. For whatever reason it doesn't run xx.xx et. If it doesn't run it, it doesn't run it.

Of course it is the norm... But I have seen way way too many races favor the slower trap car to know that with close enough trap speeds it is a 100% toss up. On paper the higher trap car should win but it is 50/50 almost always. Again, this is saying within 4mph of each other.

NightmareTA
12-19-2010, 02:06 AM
Yea I get what you mean. I wasn't trying to make it sound like a ricer excuse, but most of the time the trap gives you a decent area to set an ET goal to shoot for. At least thats how I always thought of it.

07 z71 silverado
12-19-2010, 02:06 AM
Ill throw a funny in too change up the mood hehe
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/jonz71/001-1-1.jpg

Ke^in
12-19-2010, 04:23 AM
V6 hawk solstac

Solstac or Sleestak?

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1025/sleestak.jpg

916 BREDWNR
12-19-2010, 10:50 AM
Granted it was the year 1999! And there wasn't much info out on naturally-aspirated 2V build ups, let alone before/after performance tests or even internal/external parts for that motor period. Hell I had no idea all the money I spent on heads, cams, intake, trans, rear, tires, suspension etc. would only be good enough for a low 12-second car that wasn't so "street-friendly" anymore. lol But yeah I should have listen to you guys in the beginning. :D

true dat Mike! Keep forgetting how long ago that was. Besides that car looked and sounded bad ass too!!

WSsick
12-19-2010, 11:01 AM
I'd say the higher trapping car wins a roll race 6 or 7 times out of 10. 9 is a bit ambitious. Traction being the big limiting factor on the street.

ETs are everything and nothing to certain people, just a difference in opinions.

If you like to roll race, then ETs matter less. My friend's S10 would have probably run an ET close to mine, but the roll race we did was ugly (I got him on the dig too though).

If you like digs, ETs matter A LOT more.


For the record, I prefer digs. :)

NightmareTA
12-19-2010, 01:10 PM
For the record, I prefer digs. :)

I think you may change your mind once that turbo project starts coming together :jest::jest:

lemons12
12-19-2010, 02:24 PM
Yea I get what you mean. I wasn't trying to make it sound like a ricer excuse, but most of the time the trap gives you a decent area to set an ET goal to shoot for. At least thats how I always thought of it.
No doubt..






From what I've seen.. Somebody that has a well rounded car (properly modified, suspension gears,etc) likes digs mostly and usually will also do rolls. People with a car that skipped over steps usually like rolls.
Underbuilt cars almost always like rolls because they can't compete from a dig. Not saying this is always the case but most of the time.
Rolls don't show what a car is capable of because it doesn't factor everything in... torque, gears, suspension, powerband, etc etc etc it takes everything into account.. Roll really only factor in weight and power and 50% of the time don't even show that.

WSsick
12-19-2010, 03:37 PM
I think you may change your mind once that turbo project starts coming together :jest::jest:

:lol: True. 2 step + DRs will be a step in the right direction......to leaving thick black lines everywhere. :lol:

From what I've seen.. Somebody that has a well rounded car (properly modified, suspension gears,etc) likes digs mostly and usually will also do rolls. People with a car that skipped over steps usually like rolls.
Underbuilt cars almost always like rolls because they can't compete from a dig.

Underbuilt car right and I like digs! :) Stock suspension n er'thang. I'm guess I'm an oddball in that regard.

Irunelevens
12-19-2010, 04:17 PM
Sorry i dont wear a Brah :confused:

What happend to your signature where u had that 80 year old woman standing beside that Rustang with her thongs down to her knees ? That was so disgusting with the wrinkly knees :barf:

or i may have u confused with someone else

Wrong person, and it's already been shown many times that those legs/underwear belong to a very attractive young lady. I've seen that avatar thousands of times, and it never looked like a dude or old woman to me :confused:

WSsick
12-19-2010, 04:25 PM
Wrong person, and it's already been shown many times that those legs/underwear belong to a very attractive young lady. I've seen that avatar thousands of times, and it never looked like a dude or old woman to me :confused:

Some people like their girls rail skinny. Nothing wrong with some muscular looking legs. :hump: Curves FTW.

MACH32V
12-19-2010, 05:59 PM
:lol: True. 2 step + DRs will be a step in the right direction......to leaving thick black lines everywhere. :lol:



Underbuilt car right and I like digs! :) Stock suspension n er'thang. I'm guess I'm an oddball in that regard.

+1
2-Step, DRs......Gears, Strong Axles and Posi unit...Excellent Combo for digs!!
Hp is great but if you can't plant the power, your going to get beat

WSsick
12-19-2010, 06:36 PM
+1
2-Step, DRs......Gears, Strong Axles and Posi unit...Excellent Combo for digs!!
Hp is great but if you can't plant the power, your going to get beat

This is pretty much what I want. He hooks decent for the street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWnYYJSfKo

MACH32V
12-20-2010, 06:30 PM
This is pretty much what I want. He hooks decent for the street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWnYYJSfKo

Nice!! That it sweet.

2-Steps are really nice when you are trying to stage. Instead of trying to feather the throttle to find you perfect launch rpm, you just push in the clutch and "slowly" mash the gas. Holds the RPMs just where you have it set. My 2-Step is through my SCT tune and it is set at 3500rpm. I notice though that you have to slowly increase the rpm. Then once it begins to step, then you can mash the gas.
2-Steps are good for a prepped track though. If you have it set to high and try this on the street, you will just sit and spin. I had my tuner play with the rpm and I think 3500 rpms works great for both street and strip.

Stocker94z
12-21-2010, 12:24 PM
Yea, now you have a v6 ls1.:funny::funny::funny::funny::funny::funny: