Conversions & Swaps LSX Engines in Non-LSX Vehicles
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

already had return style efi system... how to plumb to lq4

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-19-2011, 09:37 PM
  #1  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default already had return style efi system... how to plumb to lq4

Guys

i had efi on my 67 camaro. its -10 teflon line from the tank, in one rail, out the other to an aeromotive fpr.

how do i plumb this into the lq4 returnless system? just put one oulet of the fpr to the fuel rail and then return of the fpr back to the tank? which line into the intake rail is it?

what kind of connection do i need at the fuel rail? be nice to adapt it to the -10

thanks!
Old 01-19-2011, 09:55 PM
  #2  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

and, what is that "regulator" looking thing in the fuel rail with the other smaller line coming out of it?

thanks
Old 01-20-2011, 12:44 AM
  #3  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

anyone?
Old 01-20-2011, 01:57 AM
  #4  
Staging Lane
iTrader: (8)
 
Boosted3rdGen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I know you might not want to hear this, but you may need to get aftermarket rails.
Old 01-20-2011, 06:53 AM
  #5  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

my setup is a 2003, so i think thats the last year for a lq4 return style system..

well, i am going turbos, so id need a boost referenced fpr. already have it.

i guess going aftermarket rails isnt that bad...

thanks
Old 01-20-2011, 06:55 AM
  #6  
Staging Lane
iTrader: (1)
 
Benwb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

If I'm not mistaken you could just run the return off of the fpr back to the tank. then you would have to run something similar on the rail to adapt to the braided line ( http://www.speedwaymotors.com/LS1-LT...ign=GoogleBase ...not 10-an though)?
Old 01-20-2011, 07:19 AM
  #7  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

that that stock fpr isnt able to compensate for boost, right?
Old 01-20-2011, 10:54 AM
  #8  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (98)
 
99ssleeper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,036
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post

Default

the stock looking "fpr" thing is actually a pulse dampener, it's not a regulator.

you would have to put the fpr before the rail and have a return line from the regulator to the tank. or go with aftermarket rails and attach the lines and regulator the same way you have it now.
Old 01-20-2011, 12:12 PM
  #9  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

so whats the line coming out of the pulse dampener?

my engine is a 2003 LQ4, and i think 03 was the last year for the return line setup...
Old 01-20-2011, 12:28 PM
  #10  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (19)
 
MeanYellowZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Davenport, Iowa
Posts: 647
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

Most early stock truck rails (w/ two lines) do include the regulator, it's not a dampener/ check valve like the car rails. You can tell the difference because regulators have vacuum nipples on them. The stock regulators won't respond to boost and although many people use stock rails with boost, we never do. I recommend getting aftermarket rails to do it correctly and still routing your lines like you used to have it.

It would also be a good time in my opinion to switch to a car intake for looks and higher RPM performance that works well with boost.
Old 01-29-2011, 10:04 AM
  #11  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

so just curious if i could bypass or gut/hollow out the stock fpr and then plumb the return line to my aeromotive boost reference fpr?

also, can the stock truck rails support 800hp? im going turbo....

thanks!
Old 01-29-2011, 12:02 PM
  #12  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (14)
 
samdogmx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Alton, IL
Posts: 747
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

why not just use aftermarket rails & regulator & run it just like you had before.
Old 01-29-2011, 12:30 PM
  #13  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

if i have to use aftermarket rails, i wiil, but if i can hollow out the stock fpr and use these stock truck rails, then i dont have to buy new rails, fab new mounts for the new rails and plus, it would look stockish... i like stock looking stuff...

just wanted tyo know if i can bypass the stock fpr and if the rails will support the 800+ hp

thanks
Old 01-29-2011, 01:57 PM
  #14  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (14)
 
samdogmx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Alton, IL
Posts: 747
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

I'm no expert but I bet you'll have issue at that hp level. I think the stock rails start to be restrictions somewere around 600-700
Old 01-29-2011, 02:14 PM
  #15  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

yes, thats what i was just reading about...

thanks!
Old 01-29-2011, 02:50 PM
  #16  
TECH Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
robbyredneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: canandaigua,n.y.
Posts: 403
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

i gutted mine and welded the nipple shut. also had to build stand off's for the tall injectors. twin pumps to fuel rail to regulator then return to the tank. i used compression fittings but will switch to fuel rail adapters(-8,-6) or go to a new rail if i have problems. so far so good ,other than the autozone relay lasting 30 minutes.
Old 01-31-2011, 02:40 PM
  #17  
TECH Fanatic
 
MillsMotorvation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South of Augusta,GA
Posts: 1,343
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

I saw some one on here using a turbo setup on a new truck, and never changed the rails, or regulator. Im no expert, but Im also trying to learn how this all work before I add a turbo to my LQ4.
Old 01-31-2011, 02:46 PM
  #18  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I saw another post of a guy getting 700 rwhp out of his truck rails...

Im starting to think its worth a little experiment to see what i could get out of these truck rails...

one thing id like to do is tap one of the rail end out for a -10AN fitting (what i had on my old 540 BBC).

wondering if anyone has ever done modifications to these plastic rails...
Old 01-31-2011, 06:38 PM
  #19  
TECH Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
robbyredneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: canandaigua,n.y.
Posts: 403
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

i guess i should have mentioned that i have a 2003 lq4 with a mpt76 turbo two intank 255s 80lb fords @48psi and an aeromotive boost referenced regulator. i took the stock regulator off and die ground its intestines out. i also noticed that my stock tune has the kpa versus flow rate as static, so it is vac referenced and as memory serves years ago i read in low boost situations it will keep the fuel at a constant pressure. and if you look really close at it it has a safety star that is threaded and is "adjustable".
Old 01-31-2011, 07:09 PM
  #20  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
jks67ss396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Hey Robby

Can you post pics? did you modify the rails at all or just the regulator?

thanks


Quick Reply: already had return style efi system... how to plumb to lq4



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:35 PM.