Negative Trader Feedback - LSXS10 do not buy from......bad seller

for sale thread: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1368622-fs-317-heads-valve-covers-6-0-crank-flywheel-spacer.html

I bought his set of used 317 heads and when i got them i was amazed. I found that he decided to ship them in a box they could not lay down in side by side. One was laying across the bottom of the box on an angle from one corner to the other, with the intake ports up. then there was some packing paper to "help support it". yea paper is going to hold back a 25lb head. then he wrapped the other head in a garbage bag and laid it directly on top of the other head.Yea two sharp heads rubbing on each other wont cut through plastic. so as they were shipped they bounced up and down on each other ruining the deck of both heads. then since the corners were not laying down one went through the box and was bent bad.

This is his response from our pms

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Check with your hub and let me know if there is any thing i can do to help. The heads were packaged well and i will not be held responsible for what happened after they left my hands. thanks, Heath...[/QUOTE]



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all i asked for was for him to cover the milling charge or i will ship them back.
Do not buy from.

Man, those are in bad shape! Hopefully he'll make it right.

Man, that sucks. I've received 3 or 4 things here lately that are packaged terribly. I don't know what in the Hell some people are thinking! I make sure & ask everyone now to please pack stuff well before shipping it out to me. Especially big heavy stuff!

Sounds like he's banking on the shipping company to take the fall. If there wasn't adequate packing to protect the head, then the shipping company cant really help.

Take plenty of pictures of how it was packed, and visible damage to the box. Also try and see if you can tell if the package was repacked by another terminal.

Have you filed a shipping damage complaint yet????? Why dont you tell all of the story? This is why i dont sell much on here anymore!!!!
My side of the story:
These heads were shipped in a box that was roughly 22x20x10inches deep. There was athick box that was broke down and put in between the heads one flap over one flap under and it divided the heads... plus they were in a bag with packing paper around both heads. I did all i could do to package them properly. I mean what else can a guy do???

What strikes me odd is you wont go to UPS and file a shipping damage report? Did you leave them in the back of your truck and go jumping ditches or something??? I cant see how the heads were damaged that bad but you say the box was intact. YOU WONT GO TO UPS and i cant do it for you on my end...

No one on here is going to give you $80 bucks to fix a set of $160 heads get real man. I tried to help and do the right thing but you wont even try unless it is to get on here and bash someone.

I REALLY hate the heads are damaged. I am not liable for what you or UPS screwed up. I offered to help with your UPS claim and this is what i get? Thanks alot for the headache.

Now everyone knowes the whole story and can draw there own conclusion. It is even in the post i sent you that if you need help let me know. Heath.

There was plenty of packing in the box..... Thats not the problem here....

This is ALL of the last post i sent him... Kinda changes how it was all put to him.


I did find out a claim on damages would have to be filed on your end as i couldnt file anything because i didnt recieve the package. Didnt get any details as to what all you have to do though. Check with your hub and let me know if there is any thing i can do to help. The heads were packaged well and i will not be held responsible for what happened after they left my hands. thanks, Heath...

The more i think about this the more mad i get that you would post that i am a bad trader!!!!! Here is the entire transaction up untill he posted this. HOW AM I A BAD TRADER????

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Mike Halabrin
5757 West Touhy Avenue
Niles, IL 60714-4603

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Hey man, I had to work over today so i will get the heads out in the morning. thanks, Heath.


do you have a tracking number?

Got them out today. Tracking # is 1z310x800308527732 . thanks, Heath.


ok so i got the heads but they were damaged in shipping. You packed them into a box they couldn't lay flat in and they were placed on top of each other. The heads bounced up and down on each other and the decks are nicked in multiple places. The heads have to be milled now. i dont know what to do here.

What did they do drop them out of the plane? They had cardboard and paper in between them flat, and were also in a bag. Heads should have never touched unless they just did really stupid shit with them.

the box did not look to bad from the outside, just one spot were the corner of the head came through. yea when i got them they were not flat, one was laying on its intake side down and the other one was exhaust side on top with a piece of packing paper in between it that had worn through.

Take a couple pics of the damage and email them to me " LSXS101995@yahoo.com " Ill take them to Delana at my local hub and see what i can get them to do. I sell and ship alot of parts and dont have much trouble with ups. Heath.

ok i will get the pics to you tonight. yea i work at Nissan and we always ship ups and fed ex

Im waiting on a reply from ups, i showed Delana the pics and seeing as they were not insured she didnt know about it but was going to inquire. just letting you know. thanks, Heath...

well what is going on? even if they dont pay for them at least refund $80 for milling or i can send them back and file a claim on paypal.

I did find out a claim on damages would have to be filed on your end as i couldnt file anything because i didnt recieve the package. Didnt get any details as to what all you have to do though. Check with your hub and let me know if there is any thing i can do to help. The heads were packaged well and i will not be held responsible for what happened after they left my hands. thanks, Heath...

you did not insure the package so there is nothing that can be done.
so because the box was okay outside, means the contents inside are not bad? you put a 25lb head on another head with only a garbage bag around it? it cut through the plastic and into the deck. refund my money and i will send them back the same way i received them. i am the scammer hahahahaha i waited 20 days for you to refund my money or pay for the milling, now i will just wait for paypal.

You wont get anything thru paypal, How do you figure that? I replied to your dispute. Your right, Its been 20 days and you still did not contact UPS. If i got a package with damaged goods i would contact them in a minute. You say they were not packaged properly? You say there was only a bag on one of them? There was a bag on BOTH heads, extra cardboard, and packing paper. I really dont know what you want me to do? I will not refund money for something that was sold and shipped as i said it was. I have sold and shipped many parts with no problems with packing or otherwise.

well i guess you never shipped heads before then and you failed on this one. you should of got a box that they could lay side by side with the decks down. Not were they were on top of each other and there was not a piece of cardboard between them, only packing paper which was cut right through. why didn't i get anywhere with ups is because YOU DID NOT INSURE THEM, if they were insured it would have been different

Each UPS package is automatically insured for up to $100 FYI.

THE HEADS WERE IN A BOX DECKS DOWN, IN SEPERATE BAGS, WITH A BROKEDOWN BOX UNDER ONE HEAD FOLDED UP THEN OVER THE OTHER HEAD, WITH MORE THAN ENOUGH PACKING TO KEEP THE HEADS SAFE DURING SHIPMENT!!!! tHIS IS THE WAY I HAVE ALWAYS SHIPPED HEADS. WHAT IS YOUR DEAL????? YOU CANT EXPECT ME TO DO ANYTHING BUT HELP YOU IN A UPS CLAIM... ARE YOU A KID OR A CRACKHEAD? HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW THE HEADS WERE SHIPPED? YOU WILL NOT GET A DIME FROM ME SO GO PULL THIS SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE. I HAVE SHIPPED MORE LS HEADS THAN YOU HAVE SEEN. AND NOONE ELSE HAS GOT A DAMAGED SET. I DONT HAVE TIME FOR YOUR B. S.........

I am confused as to why the seller did not insure them for at least $1500.Insurance is very inexpensive to buy when shipping packages?

Well, I personally saw the heads and the packaging before shipping. They were packaged as Heath said. Now as for the damages in transit, maybe the box was opened by UPS and retaped, maybe not.... But ALL packages have a min $100 insurance on them, and I think that would more than cover the $80 that he wanted back. Plus I didn't see anything that a flat file and straight edge wouldn't fix, none of the damage looked to be around the cylinders or water ports.......Sounds like someone just wanted a milled set of 317's to bring the compression up!

Here is his latest message to me....

"lol scammer are you serious. learn how to ship something dumbass. i dont want your POS heads you can take them back."

Sounds like you just wanted a milled set as lafngas said......

Its people like you that "CLAIM" to be a victim in a sale that some people say local pickup only so that they dont have to deal with SCAMMERS like you. Why would anyone take a chance on half ass packaging something only to have this happen?

Now i have to wait on paypal to deny your claim. Well i guess u got me.

Wont you tell us what REALLY happend? Did your weak bitch ass drop them when you were tryin to get them in the house? Did they fall out of the truck on the way to your mommy's house? There is no way the heads were damaged because of something i did or didnt do. I started in all this being as helpfull as i could but that time is now over....

Well Mike is still trying for a refund in paypal.. Some people will go to great pains to try to get money that is clearly not owed to them....

ONLY THE SHIPPER CAN FILE A CLAIM WITH ups, I Repeat ONLT THE SHIPPER CAN FILE A CLAIM WITH UPS

LSX, as just stated by kllrvet, YOU have to start the claim. I went through this a couple months ago. I'm not taking any sides. Just letting you know. Good luck to both of you.

Either one of them can file a claim. If the recipient files the claim the shipper will have to fax a hand signed letter in allowing ups to pay the claim the the recipient. This stuff happens packages do get damaged. I sell alot of parts on ebay and I know how it feels being the seller and it sucks. You want to work with the guy and make things right but rude emails and I am sure this post does not make the seller want to help anyone out.

Either one of them can file a claim. If the recipient files the claim the shipper will have to fax a hand signed letter in allowing ups to pay the claim the the recipient. This stuff happens packages do get damaged. I sell alot of parts on ebay and I know how it feels being the seller and it sucks. You want to work with the guy and make things right but rude emails and I am sure this post does not make the seller want to help anyone out.

I was told that he had to file the claim but that i would have to sighn an affidavit for him to collect his claim. Witch i would have had no problem to do. After looking at this for a while i think the damage happend after the buyer recieved them or we would have done a dammaged shipment deal. But he started out wanting me to send him $80 to have the heads milled and i just cant do that on a set of $160 heads "that were damaged somehow after they left me" had they been cracked or warped beyond repair it would have been on me, but as stated earlier in this post by looking at the pics there is no real reason to deck the heads.... looks like 10-15 min with a file.

The buyer has filed a dispute with paypal and then sent it directly to claims. He must need his money back to buy the "decked" heads he really wanted is all i can figure??? All i can say is that if they decide in his favor i will be done with them because this is clearly not something i did/didnot do... Of ALL the parts and such that i have sold i have only had one other issue with a missing valve cover bolt. Ive sold several high ticket items such as motors and shortblocks with not one issue. My case is made Ill let you all know what Paypal decides on this case....Heath....

They always decide in the buyers favor. I tried the whole "done" deal with them. I just had to break down and still use them. I don't do it as much as I used to, but some things are just easiest using them.

That's what I have been told. If they decide for him it is sad for sure, had I been at fault sure he should get a refund but I did my part..............

^ Dude, from what I read...they weren't packaged correctly. Heavy items need some pretty serious packaging to keep them from bouncing around in the package or into each other.
UPS, regardless of whether you purchase insurance for your package or not, will NOT cover any claims made because the packaging was insufficient. It's part of their disclaimer. The only way to be 100% certain they will cover damages is if you pay them to package it themselves. It's part of the "pack and ship" guarantee.
I don't think the buyer is just wanting to get a set of decked heads.

^ Dude, from what I read...they weren't packaged correctly. Heavy items need some pretty serious packaging to keep them from bouncing around in the package or into each other.
UPS, regardless of whether you purchase insurance for your package or not, will NOT cover any claims made because the packaging was insufficient. It's part of their disclaimer. The only way to be 100% certain they will cover damages is if you pay them to package it themselves. It's part of the "pack and ship" guarantee.
I don't think the buyer is just wanting to get a set of decked heads.

Pretty sure thats exactly what happened, they were packaged sufficiently

^ Dude, from what I read...they weren't packaged correctly. Heavy items need some pretty serious packaging to keep them from bouncing around in the package or into each other.
UPS, regardless of whether you purchase insurance for your package or not, will NOT cover any claims made because the packaging was insufficient. It's part of their disclaimer. The only way to be 100% certain they will cover damages is if you pay them to package it themselves. It's part of the "pack and ship" guarantee.
I don't think the buyer is just wanting to get a set of decked heads.

You my friend are a stupid ass. Have you not read the two pages of how the heads were packaged? Your friend is triyng to tell paypal that the are unusable and that statement is false. I talked to the buyer on the phone monday and he described the packing to me as it was when he opened the box and it was NOT how it left me, he stated only one head had a bag, there was no cardboard box between the heads and there was brown packing paper in the box... Not how they were packaged. So your friend is either is lying or something else happened to the heads.

And yes, i do think tour buddy wants a set of decked heads or he would already have these on his car...........

Oh yeah, Again he was suppose to talk to ups and send me a PM tuesday nite and i have not heard from him yet and he is on here every nite..

You my friend are a stupid ass. Have you not read the two pages of how the heads were packaged? Your friend is triyng to tell paypal that the are unusable and that statement is false. I talked to the buyer on the phone monday and he described the packing to me as it was when he opened the box and it was NOT how it left me, he stated only one head had a bag, there was no cardboard box between the heads and there was brown packing paper in the box... Not how they were packaged. So your friend is either is lying or something else happened to the heads.

And yes, i do think tour buddy wants a set of decked heads or he would already have these on his car...........

First of all, this guy is not my friend. I have NO idea who he is. I just enjoy reading people's stupid drama when I'm bored at work, and comment when I feel the need. And no, I'm not a stupid ass. I happen to be an Engineer with a Master's degree. You can't get through grad school being a stupid ass.
From the pictures, the present condition of the heads is correct...they are un-usable in their current condition. You can't just take a file to these raised burrs and expect these heads to seal to the block. If you know anything about heads...you know they need to be a precision flat surface..which requires precision machining.
I read your post on how you claim to have packaged the heads. No matter who's story about the packaging is true, both packaging methods are insufficient and I'm not surprised they were damaged. Shipping companies are not careful with packages. They are thrown around, dropped, and stacked. This is why YOU needed to make sure they'd take the abuse on the trip from you to him. I pack my shit to withstand a hurricane, so if something arrives damaged, there's no doubt it's the shipping company's fault.

Were you standing there when they were packaged or opened? NO. So you can't very well say shit can you stupid ass? You must be a great engineer if all you have to do is read drama at work. You clearly have no clue about this so goodbye to you.

Wow...with an attitude like that people will definitely keep buying from you and listening to what you have to say on this forum.
Sorry for your troubles OP. You aren't going to solve anything with an ass like this guy.

Were you standing there when they were packaged or opened? NO. So you can't very well say shit can you stupid ass? You must be a great engineer if all you have to do is read drama at work. You clearly have no clue about this so goodbye to you.

Well, you have no proof of how they were packed either. Just because someone said you packed them the right was doesnt mean anything. I can sit here and say I was there when he opened them and they were not packaged the right way.

Why do you feel the need to talk sh*t to people? People use this part of the forum to check people out before they buy something. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will never buy anything from you just because of the way you present yourself when you post. One day your going to say the wrong thing to someone and they are going to be local........And I already know your going to post something like "well, they can come on over and I will kick their a*s"

I have been as helpfull as i can to mike short of just giving him money back for something i didnt do or could not control, real simple to undersand here. Its ass hats like you that agg this stuff on that cause all the drama!!! The only person that thinks im acting like an ass is you and this is nothing to you?. If you packaged something well and shipped it then the buyer said hey man this is damaged but he describes the packing and you know it was differnt from what he said would you just send him a refund? I dont think you would. It is in paypal's hand and they will do as they see fit If they issue him a refund i get screwed and if they dont he will see it as he got screwed. Im still sorry that it happend but that does not make it my fault..

I have been as helpfull as i can to mike short of just giving him money back for something i didnt do or could not control, real simple to undersand here. Its ass hats like you that agg this stuff on that cause all the drama!!! The only person that thinks im acting like an ass is you and this is nothing to you?. If you packaged something well and shipped it then the buyer said hey man this is damaged but he describes the packing and you know it was differnt from what he said would you just send him a refund? I dont think you would. It is in paypal's hand and they will do as they see fit If they issue him a refund i get screwed and if they dont he will see it as he got screwed. Im still sorry that it happend but that does not make it my fault..

Edit: Nevermind. Thought that was pointed at me... My bad, sorry.

Well, you have no proof of how they were packed either. Just because someone said you packed them the right was doesnt mean anything. I can sit here and say I was there when he opened them and they were not packaged the right way.

Why do you feel the need to talk sh*t to people? People use this part of the forum to check people out before they buy something. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will never buy anything from you just because of the way you present yourself when you post. One day your going to say the wrong thing to someone and they are going to be local........And I already know your going to post something like "well, they can come on over and I will kick their a*s"

All i can say is i usually dont have an issue with anyone i sell to or buy from and there has been no talk of kicking anyone for anything. Its just something that happend and people always take the side of the buyer that yells i got screwed? Yes there are bad people that sell things on this site and lots of other places on the net that are just out to screw someone. Ive been selling on tech since 2007 and no issues till now. The heads may have been damaged in shipping or mike may have slung them out of his truck on the way home. I dont know? But as i have stated before they were packed well and its just my word against his.

But as i have stated before they were packed well and its just my word against his.

Thats my point. I'm not taking sides and never will on stuff like this. When I ship stuff I always take pictures of how it was packed and what it was packed with. It comes in very handy when stuff like this happens.

Edit: Nevermind. Thought that was pointed at me... My bad

I dont make a habbit of talking down to anyone but is is annoying when people make comments when they clearly dont know the situation such as It looks like they were not packed properly. I also look here before i buy it is helpfull.

Thats my point. I'm not taking sides and never will on stuff like this. When I ship stuff I always take pictures of how it was packed and what it was packed with. It comes in very handy when stuff like this happens.

I like the picture idea....... I will do that on everything i sell from now on so i dont have this issue again...

First of all, this guy is not my friend. I have NO idea who he is. I just enjoy reading people's stupid drama when I'm bored at work, and comment when I feel the need. And no, I'm not a stupid ass. I happen to be an Engineer with a Master's degree. You can't get through grad school being a stupid ass.
From the pictures, the present condition of the heads is correct...they are un-usable in their current condition. You can't just take a file to these raised burrs and expect these heads to seal to the block. If you know anything about heads...you know they need to be a precision flat surface..which requires precision machining.
I read your post on how you claim to have packaged the heads. No matter who's story about the packaging is true, both packaging methods are insufficient and I'm not surprised they were damaged. Shipping companies are not careful with packages. They are thrown around, dropped, and stacked. This is why YOU needed to make sure they'd take the abuse on the trip from you to him. I pack my shit to withstand a hurricane, so if something arrives damaged, there's no doubt it's the shipping company's fault.


I am a neutral party with no affiliation to any of you. I do have to say that this this quote hits the nail right on the head. After reading the entire thread, I absolutely believe you should have packaged it with something more than 2 bags and a piece of folded cardboard. As somebody that ships more heads than some have ever seen, I would think you could have put together a better packaging method by now.

Would you have simply filed the heads yourself and put them on your vehicle? C'mon man...

Just my 0.2 though, no need to insult me too.

There was also packing paper " race pages mag" in with the heads ,cardboard and bags. The only way the heads could have hit each other is that they were removed from the box at some point. It was not just a "piece of cardboard" between the heads they were tight in the box. From what the buyer said the heads did not arrive in the same packing....Dont know what else to tell ya guys......................... Not going to insult you man, qc97z started his post with a stab at me so i returned the favor. As stated above i will be taking pics of anything i ship from now on... Heath.

Good luck with a paypal dispute I sell alot on ebay and in 4 years I have won about 2 out of 10. One was on a set of heads. If someone has a problem with the stuff I sell them and they do not blow up on me from the get go about it I work with them. If someone is a complete jerk from the start I do not try to work with them

Have you ever heard of Bubble wrap?

BOTTOM LINE is: YOU did not package them good enough. Otherwise there wouldn't be any problem. Whatever you THINK was good enough, well, IT WASNT.

So now help this guy get some value out of the thing that you did not package correctly.

Here's some tips:

Thick cardboard box ? Ok good!
Paper as filler? Nooo very bad.
One piece of cardboard between the two heads? Are you joking?

I will NEVER understand the Level of incompetence I see here on this board over and over when it comes to shipping things.

If i were to ship some heads..

I'd do one of two things:

1. Place them on a flat board, with 2 or 3 layers of bubble wrap between the head and the board (head placed in a plastic bag) then I'd tape it to the board like 100% on the ends and in the middle so that it COULD NOT MOVE.

2. I'd place something soft between the head and the board and I'd nail/screw it into the board.

You could also crate them up.

Either way, moral of story, YOU FUCKED up - so please fix it.

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..tends to work along with good packing...

Hate to hear of thing like this. We sell and buy on here to get some money back and to get good deals and not have EGAY charge us all those fees..

hope it all works out..

I used to work for a company like UPS when I was in college. It was RPS which became FedEx Ground. I can tell you that during the sort at our terminal, packages that had a split box were often retaped or reboxed. Judging by some of the knuckleheads I worked with, I wouldn't be surprised that someone reboxed these and just tossed them in there with some packing paper. That sort of thing happens all the time. I know it doesn't help either party but just FYI.

^^^^ This is what we think happened, dropped, damaged, reboxed as mike described differt packing than what i know was in it. I recieved some heads from TEA and they had way less packing than what i shipped mikes heads in but there was no damage to them in any way, had they been i would have been at the ups store the next morning pereod. They were just mishandled somewhere down the line who, where, or how i dont know. I have told mike i hate that they were damaged but something clearly happend from point A to point B with the heads.
Paypal did decide the claim in my favor witch is a shock to me but i think they decided fairly. Im not lookin for hard feelings with anyone but Geeze guys they were packed well short of running over them with a truck......twice?.... Thanks, Heath.......

BOTTOM LINE is: YOU did not package them good enough. Otherwise there wouldn't be any problem. Whatever you THINK was good enough, well, IT WASNT.

So now help this guy get some value out of the thing that you did not package correctly.

Here's some tips:

Thick cardboard box ? Ok good!
Paper as filler? Nooo very bad.
One piece of cardboard between the two heads? Are you joking?

I will NEVER understand the Level of incompetence I see here on this board over and over when it comes to shipping things.

If i were to ship some heads..

I'd do one of two things:

1. Place them on a flat board, with 2 or 3 layers of bubble wrap between the head and the board (head placed in a plastic bag) then I'd tape it to the board like 100% on the ends and in the middle so that it COULD NOT MOVE.

2. I'd place something soft between the head and the board and I'd nail/screw it into the board.

You could also crate them up.

Either way, moral of story, YOU FUCKED up - so please fix it.

Think this post was a bit uncalled for....:sack:

i think from now on anytime i buy or sell a set of heads, they will have to be shipped in two separate boxes.....i bought a set of cheap 853's just for the springs that were on them, when i got them, they were beat up.....the seller just threw them in a huge box with a couple of slices of carboard wedged in between that had worked it's way loose, no wrapping, no bags.....looks like a beaver had been chewing on one of them.....i don't really cause they're probably not going on my car, i might play with them and try to learn how to port, eventually i'll take them to a shop and have them milled......i'm just saying, it might be worth it for buyer or seller to request that heads be shipped in separate packages and split up the cost.....what more could it be 10-15 bucks?