Paint & Body Work - So this is "DONE"? I call BS!

I get the call Friday that my car is done and I'm not able to go and pick it up till Tuesday because of work. Well my brother sees the car and says I'm not gonna be happy and sends me some pics, he was right. This morning I get up and go "check out my car" while the shop is closed because the car is out front. Let it be known I'm not happy and they have had the car for a MONTH AND A HALF!! :bang::punch:

PICS OF COMPLETED JOB ON POST #3 OR PAGE #3

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2575
Accident pics

day i bought it
http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142778


a chip in the hatch they tried to "cover up" with touch up paint
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this is what it looked like

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So here she is done! It looks ALOT better!! I still see a tiny part of a flap on the right.Let me know what you think, will get some more pics tomorrow. http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180963_951963455608_16703230_48456883_1739326_n.jp g
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I would demand that they fix that, for a month and a half, thats a crap job...

wow refuse pick-up and show them the old pic of your car.

That sucks man..

yeah yall have no idea how pissed off I am! Guy seemed like a stand up guy but now if they expect me to take this HELL NO! Even said they were going to paint the bottom like the CETA mod for me and I showed him a pic. I hope Allstate looks at this and says fix it OTHERWISE Im getting my ins company involved or talking to a few lawyer friends i know

Im thinking they are getting pressure to get it out from allstate since they are paying for a rental.

Thats similar to what happened to mine. Im going to replace the rear body panel where all that mounts to and fix it. Id rather do this myself and know that its going to be done right. I have a thread i started a couple of days ago with pics.

I'm not familiar with Firebirds, but the fitment issues look remarkably similar to how bad the aftermarket plastic bootleg/unlicensed/crappy copies of the '93-'97 Camaro front bumpers fit. I bet you they didn't use an OEM urethane rear bumper. On the unpainted side, see if it's made of a yellow material or if it's black if you can manage to see anything while underneath the car with a flashlight. The OEM urethane is yellow/ivory and the typical plastic, cheap crap is black.

I'm not familiar with Firebirds, but the fitment issues look remarkably similar to how bad the aftermarket plastic bootleg/unlicensed/crappy copies of the '93-'97 Camaro front bumpers fit. I bet you they didn't use an OEM urethane rear bumper. On the unpainted side, see if it's made of a yellow material or if it's black if you can manage to see anything while underneath the car with a flashlight. The OEM urethane is yellow/ivory and the typical plastic, cheap crap is black.

where the paint was starting to come off, the under color was black

That could be black primer. Check the backside of the bumper if possible just to make sure. If it's an insurance paid job, I'm not sure how far bitching will get you concerning the part, but a healthy dose of anger should get the paint corrected.

We've had an aftermarket front fender on the '95 since it was vandalized in 2002 or 3, and I've been unhappy with the fitment ever since. The sad thing is, OEM bumpers, fenders, etc. were still being produced back then, our insurance specified OEM, and the work was done AT A CHEVROLET DEALERSHIP and somehow we still ended up with an aftermarket one that doesn't quite fit right. At least the paint job was near perfect though.

I'm not familiar with Firebirds, but the fitment issues look remarkably similar to how bad the aftermarket plastic bootleg/unlicensed/crappy copies of the '93-'97 Camaro front bumpers fit. I bet you they didn't use an OEM urethane rear bumper. On the unpainted side, see if it's made of a yellow material or if it's black if you can manage to see anything while underneath the car with a flashlight. The OEM urethane is yellow/ivory and the typical plastic, cheap crap is black.

the a/m manufacturers cannot use company names on there parts and insurance companies cannot put those parts on estimates if the part has a name engraved in the part. many oem companies are putting their name on headlights and bumper for this very reason...so insurance companies put oem on the estimate.

if i where you id demand they re-do it or takem to small claims court...

parts wise a shop is suppose to use whats on estimate weather its used aftermarket or new. as for time it took has no baring on anything parts could have been a issue getting frame time and waiting on adjusters all play into things plus its only 30 days 5 or so hours on estimate is a day

just show them what you dont like with the job and go from there but try to be nice no reason to go in there like some crazy person.now if the guy turns into an ass then go from there just make sure you say something when you go to pick it up not weeks or months down the road.yes the ins co. is calling everyday im sure,they do here no matter what you tell them.looks like a nothing job dont know why nothing is lining up like that

Wow, that is horrible. I'd be ashamed if I installed a rear assembly like that...

Its hard to tell if they used A/M parts or OEM. I think(hard to say thru pics) that the frame below is off a little bit or the fitment of the bumper leads me to figure its A/M and needs some tweaking still

Do NOT pick up until its 100%

Horrible. I hope everything turns out right in the end.

its aftermarket shit, it never lines up and it looks like they didnt put the 1/4 panel on right.

wow i would be so pissed! But then again i had the same problem with a fix on mine one time where they kept fucking up the paint etc at the dealership took them over 2 months before the fixed it and its still not right everyday i find something new and i take it back same ole shit so i feel ya.

Wow that's terrible. Like others said, to not take the car till its 100%. Once you take it, its your problem.

i feel your pain, they skipped corners and there is your result.. dude don't settle for half ass work.

looks like after market bumper, paired with lazy prep, ive seen alot of bumpers flake inside little detail lines because people are too lazy to sand inside there.

sometimes they flake because of being bare plastic and no plastic adhesion promoter used, but ive only very very few gm bumpers bare plastic, usually even after market gm is primed

in your "before pic" the pass. quarter looks rolled out a little on the edge, but after it def. looks even more rolled.. was it in an accident before?

do you have pics of the damage on the quarter before you sent it to the shop. id like to see them if you do

parts wise a shop is suppose to use whats on estimate weather its used aftermarket or new. as for time it took has no baring on anything parts could have been a issue getting frame time and waiting on adjusters all play into things plus its only 30 days 5 or so hours on estimate is a day

there is the mian point, if you have a low ball insurance company with 28 bucks a hour for body labor, low frame labor, no matter how good we as techs are how would you like to work for 20 bucks a hour and working with cheap after market crap

not to mention what this guy said as well, more damage not on the estiamte then the adjustor has to come back out to approve the damage, that takes time sometimes 2 weeks!!! i have waited and made no money on that job

but i do agree the fitment is horrible im not going to disagree, but the fitment there might be nothing the tech can do if it is a aftermarket jap crap bumper ya its gonna fit like crap, and the hatch being touched up well thats your insurance company telling the tech nope not accident replated just touch it up

if the shop has a warranty they can redo the paint on the bumper, the fitment issues might just be the aftermarket crap of a bumper, but again its your insruance company tellin them what to do if they came back out and inspected the car before it left they may have said its fine aftermarket parts

so you in a rock and a hard place right now

Is this body shop an Allstate Pro Shop? If so he won't be for long!! I've seen this over and over again and it's not your insurance cutting the corners if anything the body shop cut costs to avoid totalling the car and not making anything. Really how much do you think the insurance company is saving on that job by using aftermarket as opposed to OEM cause the labor is there regardless?

That is plain lazy ass craftsmanship!!

Seriously though find out if he is a Pro Shop, if so he'll HAVE to fix it :thumb:

If you have not done so yet, be sure to go after diminished value from the insurance company. That’s additional money to you since your car is worth less now that it has been in an accident.

just got this message "Wanted to let you know that we contacted the salvage yard for a credit on the Rear Bumper Cover and have ordered a new OE Bumper Cover from parts - This should eliminate any issues with the alignment of the Bumper Cover to the body of the vehicle - I\\\'ll keep you posted as to the progress - I apologize for your inconvenience "

sweeettt

looks like after market bumper, paired with lazy prep, ive seen alot of bumpers flake inside little detail lines because people are too lazy to sand inside there.

sometimes they flake because of being bare plastic and no plastic adhesion promoter used, but ive only very very few gm bumpers bare plastic, usually even after market gm is primed

in your "before pic" the pass. quarter looks rolled out a little on the edge, but after it def. looks even more rolled.. was it in an accident before?

do you have pics of the damage on the quarter before you sent it to the shop. id like to see them if you do

yeah ill post them
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just got this message "Wanted to let you know that we contacted the salvage yard for a credit on the Rear Bumper Cover and have ordered a new OE Bumper Cover from parts - This should eliminate any issues with the alignment of the Bumper Cover to the body of the vehicle - I\\\'ll keep you posted as to the progress - I apologize for your inconvenience "

sweeettt

Still have paint and fender issues that need to be addressed before I'd be completely satisfied :thumb:

man thats a shitty job keep us posted

do not accept the car until those "fuck ups "are fixed . and if the shop gives you any
shit ... call a lawyer. dont settle for half assed work

God that's awful.

This is why I only would go to the shop my friend owns

this is what it looked like

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What shop so we know to stay away

Terrible. I do custom paint and body work for a living i have a few of my build threads below. I want to point out a couple of things

The picture you have that says " orange peel" thats not orange peel, thats something that fell into the paint.

The flaking on the rear bumper is due to poor prep, you can see how they have poor adheasion in the seam, where most paint failures happen due to not getting a good sand on it, ive seen it a thousand times.

Now on the rear bumper you quoted your insurance company saying they are getting a credit from the salvage yard... You didnt get an aftermarket bumper if it came from a salvage yard, it would have come from an aftermarket supplier like keystone, which i dont even think makes an aftermarket bumper. I would check with them asap as i think all your problems are with the bodyshop

Onto the insurance, ANY insurance company is at your mercy if they are fixing your car, it doesnt matter if its allstate or not, when you go through an insurance company and your not happy with the job, the insurance company can have the shop by the balls.

They will send somebody out to look at your car, show them what you posted here, and they will have to make it right.

So they bought a new OE bumper, and fixing it now the latest part of the saga someone pointed out on LS1.com.

Did you have them leave the WS6 emblem off the back, or was that another fuck up on the body shops part?

So the latest part of the saga,

"The WS-6 Emblem is out of production and not available - My parts guy did a national search and there does show to be a dealer that has one out of state - problem is since it is a discontinued part that is no longer in producton the parts department cannot place and order to have it shipped to us - We do not have any other sources that can provide this part - You might consider a search on-line to see if and after-market manufacturer sells reproductions of this part - I'm sure that if you located the part and provided the receipt to your adjuster they would reimburse your cash outlay since you have photographic proof that it was there prior to the loss - Sorry we couldn't be of more help"

"We do not have a source that we use that offers this emblem - I was thinking that if you wanted to invest the time online that you might find it available either OE or after-market - If you do find one and purchase it you would deal with your in-house adjuster not with the drive in adjuster that wrote the initial estimate "

So why can't they do this? Is there something against the dealership buying an Aftermarket part?

.... How is a new OE bumper going to fix the problem when you already have an OE used bumper on your car. After looking at the pics again, your rear bumper says " Pontiac" Aftermarket bumpers cant stamp OE names into them.

.... How is a new OE bumper going to fix the problem when you already have an OE used bumper on your car. After looking at the pics again, your rear bumper says " Pontiac" Aftermarket bumpers cant stamp OE names into them.

They said it was a recycled part from a Junkyard, guess that caused the issues?

So why can't they do this? Is there something against the dealership buying an Aftermarket part?

Do you really have to ask? These are the same guys that were going to give you back your car looking like ass :thumb:

Does this place have something against you? Just asking cause most places that I know and are looking for repeat business will at least make an attempt to help a guy out in your situation.

they sell those WS6 emblems on Ebay for about $90. brand new OEM

Gav, listen.. You have a bumper from the junkyard. It is NOT an aftermarket bumper. Its not going to make a bit of diffrence in the way it fits.

Something is not right, and the problem lies under the bumper, the rear body panel could still be pushed in, the quarter might not be pushed out enough, ect ect ect.

I strongly suggest you go to the body shop when they have the bumper off and see how it looks under the bumper, but you cant always spot a problem by eye.


When it comes to the emblem, buy one online and they will pay for the diffrence. insurance companies must make your car the way it was before the accident. You can even make up a phony bill to give them just so you dont have to cover the cost right away, just talk with the insurance adjuster and he should be able to make it right, if not talk to the supervisor. I deal with adjusters everyday so i know the deal

I hope this helps you get your car fixed the right way.:angel:

If you can take pictures with all of the stuff of, (lights, bumber, reinforcement bar) and then you can get a better picture of what youre dealing with. They did the same shit to mine and my tailights and bumper have never been the same. Thats why im doing this on my own to make it right. Im having to replace the rear body panel that they didnt fix right. Good luck.

I am slowly learning to do custom paint and bodywork and I would be ashamed to let anyone see that work if I was the tech, and I don't do it for a living.

Completely unacceptable.

Insurance companies are all snakes. When my 96' Riviera was backed into while my brother was driving it, the other party was covered under progressive. It took three days for their adjuster to get back with me, and then they expected ME to drive 40 miles to their so called 'approved repair facility". I told them that wasn't going to happen as it wasn't my fault. Finally a day later they agreed to meet me half-way.

The damage was a 1" slit in the rear bumper cover and some light paint scraping.

Their adjuster came out, she walked around it for about 20 seconds then wrote up an estimate for $300. I quickly refused to accept it and whipped out the three estimates I had ranging from $700 to $1300, she then tells me they don't go by estimates, only what their preferred facilities charge. They quoted using a salvage bumper cover and spraying it. I told the adjuster I wouldn't accept it as the part that was damaged was factory GM and that was what was going back on the car. She acted all huffy and went back to write another claim, she must have realized the cost of replacement parts on these cars when she actually bothered to look up actual cost.

I walked out with a check for $1100, and a severe hatred for insurance companies.

well they have it all together and Im supposedly getting it back tomorrow (when of course we are supposed to have another ice storm come through! :mad: . more news to come, I promise! haha. I swear this is the most long and drawn out process EVER when having a car fixed

Yea old junkyard stuff should work fine. They used junkyard fenders on my SS when it was in the shop. Came out perfect.

i am trying to stay home with all this dammm snow and ice.......me and the bad weather dont get along......almost wrecked my car on the ice thur.......my car went in the ditch...stayed there til sat when it warmed up

i am trying to stay home with all this dammm snow and ice.......me and the bad weather dont get along......almost wrecked my car on the ice thur.......my car went in the ditch...stayed there til sat when it warmed up

where was this at? was it a white camaro? I think i saw one off of 820 that fit that description lol

A buddy of mine has a worse story than this. He had a 1990something Lexus SC400 lightly modded, decided to get a lip kit and a few other things and have the whole car repainted(pearl white). A very reputable shop down in georgetown DE quoted 7k for all bodywork etc.. and car painted. He said ok. A month later he picks the car up and drives down to florida to visit family. One day he goes outside and notices what he thought were scratches on the roof. Turns out they were cracks. over the next two days the ENTIRE paintjob cracked and started chipping. once he went home took it back to the shop and they said "sorry the new guy did it" and offered a repaint, he accepted. We went to pick it up 3 weeks later, open the door the door panel falls off, theres runs in the front bumper, runs on the door handles, runs under the car. He sued and recieved alot more then he put into it. lol

And the idiot that painted this is.........

So here she is done! It looks ALOT better!! I still see a tiny part of a flap on the right.Let me know what you think, will get some more pics tomorrow. http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180963_951963455608_16703230_48456883_1739326_n.jp g
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they prolly didn't have all the screws in when you went and looked at it. It doesn't look bad IMO

The flap needs work tho.

It does look a million times better. Maybe not quite perfect, but it was tagged pretty hard I have never seen anything be perfect after an accident....it can still be better though. Did they fix all the other issues? Honestly....I like it without the WS6 emblem, lol.

It does look a million times better. Maybe not quite perfect, but it was tagged pretty hard I have never seen anything be perfect after an accident....it can still be better though. Did they fix all the other issues? Honestly....I like it without the WS6 emblem, lol.

haha i know me too. I ordered the black/silver ws6 emblem just incase i wanna put it on. yeah they did and added the CETA mod for the bumper. i mean either the tab on the right maybe its just the angle i took the pic. still would like not to see it. Just glad to finally have it back home after 2 MONTHS!

Glad ya got it worked out, I think you're right, it might be the angle the pic was taken, either way it is still much better.

Well the bottom line is are you happy. Yes it's better but yes it could be better. I have been in your shoes and you need to realize the shop will do as good as it has too and bill as much as it can for the chosen method of repair( and yes they have more than one) .they are in business to make money. Sad but in today's world most will cut corners to make a little extra cash and in most cases get it close enough to make the customer happy. The smaller jobs are the bread and butter and unless they are really good at what they do the lagre jobs usually have the smallest profit margin .unless they are working with an individual or a forgiving agent. I don't know the shop you are dealing with and this is not an attack on them. Just previous experiences over 25 years of driving and more cars than I can remember.as well as shops.

looks like after market bumper, paired with lazy prep, ive seen alot of bumpers flake inside little detail lines because people are too lazy to sand inside there.

sometimes they flake because of being bare plastic and no plastic adhesion promoter used, but ive only very very few gm bumpers bare plastic, usually even after market gm is primed

in your "before pic" the pass. quarter looks rolled out a little on the edge, but after it def. looks even more rolled.. was it in an accident before?

do you have pics of the damage on the quarter before you sent it to the shop. id like to see them if you do

That is not a aftermarket bumper, aftermarket parts will not have any manufacturer markings and there is no a/m rear bumper available for that vehicle. As far as flaking is concerned its cause by not properly prepping the parts, adhesion promoter is NOT the right way to prep anything

that blows..

You can tell it's been painted. That sucks

yea, that is a terrible job on their part,.,,

Honestly I wouldnt accept the way it looks now.

The bumper sticks out, the shade and such is different. They didn't blend the rear quarter with it at all.

Honestly I wouldnt accept the way it looks now.

The bumper sticks out, the shade and such is different. They didn't blend the rear quarter with it at all.

guess you didnt look at the new pics I just posted on either post 3 or page 3

that's sucky that the p/s tail light area still has sag below it....but... more power to u if that kind of work is acceptable.

So here she is done! It looks ALOT better!! I still see a tiny part of a flap on the right.Let me know what you think, will get some more pics tomorrow.
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Im referring to this. You can tell the bumper was replaced and painted. It doesn't match the quarter panel at all (color wise).


The shop didn't blend the quarter in with it, just resprayed the bumper. A good shop will blend it so it's not so obvious it's been painted.

I think it might be the lighting or angle because you cant tell and we were outside all day yesterday.. more pics to come when washed

My friend owns a body and paint shop, trust me I even showed him the pic.

They didnt blend it. Most shops don't because insurance usually doesn't want to pay them to, my guy fights them and does it.


But meh, as long as your happy with it that's all that matters

Wow.. Yeah.. No bueno.. Good thing you got it fixed.

thats ok, more damage found! Im gonna go by there tomorrow or wednesday and show them some damage i found in the water channel on the driver side of the hatch. The right side that was hit and "fixed" is straight, well on the passenger side the water channel is bowed out. Some hidden damage they didnt notice! lovely :(

God that is a shitty paint shop

Damn bro, i feel sorry for you..
I had the same ting happen to me on my 02 camaro, it pissed me off so bad that i just junked it and bought another z28

all the more reason to learn how to paint yourself or do a SHITTON of homework before hand...best of luck to you