chevyrunner

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My boy got hit with the state ref ticket tonight. His car is heavily modified and there is no way it will pass any kind of state ref. Is there anything he can do?

Can you pay a fine? The ticket says no officer is allowed to sign it off. It would probly cost him more to take everything off and replace it then he has into the motor.. Any help is appreciated in advance

WomenBeShoppin

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From what I heard you can just pay the bailout fine. I even heard you can arrange to do payments with the clerk, But I have no personal experience with this

GARAGE_BUILT_Z28

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Do a fake sale to a family member to transfer it out of his name and take them a bill of sale I would like to think you can't pay for something you nolonger own...this is the idea I have if they ever hit me with that kind of ticket..if he does that let me know if it works lol..

CalSpeedPerformance

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I would recommend gifting vehicle from son to father or father to son (I dont believe they have anything but the small transfer fee there $26?) and just taking paperwork to court showing he sold the car.



Here is the common ticket people are cited for:

PROHIBITION AGAINST UNCERTIFIED VEHICLES AND DEVICES

27156. (a) No person shall operate or leave

standing upon any highway any motor vehicle which is a gross
polluter, as defined in Section 39032.5 of the Health and Safety
Code.
(b) No person shall operate or leave standing upon

any highway any motor vehicle which is required to be equipped
with a motor vehicle pollution control device under Part 5
(commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and

Safety Code or any other certified motor vehicle pollution control
device required by any other state law or any rule or regulation
adopted pursuant to that law, or required to be equipped with a

motor vehicle pollution control device pursuant to the National
Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C. Secs. 1857f-1 to 1857f-7,
inclusive) and the standards and regulations adopted pursuant to

that federal act, unless the motor vehicle is equipped with the
required motor vehicle pollution control device which is correctly
installed and in operating condition. No person shall disconnect,

modify, or alter any such required device.
(c) No person shall install, sell, offer for sale,
or advertise any device, apparatus, or Mechanism intended for use
with, or as a part of, any required motor vehicle pollution

control device or system which alters or modifies the original
design or performance of any such motor vehicle pollution control
device or system.
(d) If the court finds that a person has willfully

violated this section, the court shall impose the maximum fine
that may be imposed in the case, and no part of the fine may be
suspended.
(e) "Willfully," as used in this section, has the

same meaning as the meaning of that word prescribed in Section 7
of the Penal Code.
(f) No person shall operate a vehicle after notice
by a traffic officer that the vehicle is not equipped with the

required certified motor vehicle pollution control device
correctly installed in operating condition, except as may be
necessary to return the vehicle to the residence or place of

business of the owner or driver or to a garage, until the vehicle
has been properly equipped with such a device.
(g) The notice to appear issued or complaint filed
for a violation of this section shall require that the person to

whom the notice to appear is issued or against whom the complaint
is filed produce proof of correction pursuant to Section 40150 or
proof of exemption pursuant to Section 4000.1 or 4000.2
.
(h) This section shall not apply to an alteration,
modification, or modifying device, apparatus, or mechanism found
by resolution of the State Air Resources Board to do either of the

following:
(1) Not to reduce the effectiveness of any required
motor vehicle pollution control device.
(2) To result in emissions from any such modified

or altered vehicle which are at levels which comply with existing
state or federal standards for that model year of the vehicle
being modified or converted.
(i) This section applies to motor vehicles of the

United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal
law.
(Amended by Stats. 1994, Ch. 27, Sec. 62.)

References at the time of publication (see page iii):


Regulations: 13, CCR, sections 1900, 1903, 2030, 2031, 2151,
2152, 2200-2207, 2221, 2222, 2225

27156.1. The installation, prior to January 1,

1974, of an auxiliary gasoline fuel tank for use on a 1973 or
earlier model year motor vehicle, which vehicle is required,
pursuant to Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26

of the Health and Safety Code or the National Emission Standards
Act (42 U.S.C., Secs. 1857f-1 to 1857f-7, inclusive), to be
equipped with a fuel system evaporative loss control device, shall

not be deemed a violation of Section 27156 of this code. As used
in this section, the term "auxiliary gasoline fuel tank," has the
same meaning as defined in subdivision (b) of Section 43834 of the

Health and Safety Code.
(Amended by Stats. 1975, Ch. 957.)

27156.2. Notwithstanding any other provision of
law, any publicly owned authorized emergency vehicle operated by a

peace officer, as defined in Section 830 of the Penal Code, any
authorized emergency vehicle, as defined in Section 165 and used
for fighting fires or responding to emergency fire calls pursuant

to paragraph (2) of subdivision (b) or pursuant to subdivision (c)
or (d) of that section, and any publicly owned authorized
emergency vehicle used by an emergency medical technician-

paramedic, as defined in Section 1797.84 of the Health and Safety
Code, is exempt from requirements imposed pursuant to California
law and the regulations adopted pursuant thereto for motor vehicle

pollution control devices.
(Added by Stats. 1981, Ch. 595, Sec. 1.)

27156.3. Notwithstanding any other provision of
law, any motor vehicle of mosquito abatement, vector control, or

pest abatement districts or agencies, any authorized emergency
vehicle as defined in Section 165, except subdivision (f) thereof,
and any ambulance used by a private entity under contract with a

public agency, is exempt from requirements imposed pursuant to
California law and the regulations adopted pursuant thereto for
motor vehicle pollution control devices.
(Added by renumbering Section
27156.2 (as added by
Stats. 1981, Ch. 669) by Stats. 1982, Ch. 466, Sec. 116.)

chevystyle

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Sorry to hear about the trouble. I got ticketed for loud exhaust from a city cop. He said it was too loud.
I got the 411 on what to do by the CHP. I had to go to a state ref and get it tested to see if it was too loud. It wasn't loud. The state refs can wright off the ticket than I just went and paid the fine. Not much help, but I hope it helps.

chevyrunner

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[QUOTE=CalSpeedPerformance;14460838]I would recommend gifting vehicle from son to father or father to son (I dont believe they have anything but the small transfer fee there $26?) and just taking paperwork to court showing he sold the car.

BUT BY GIFTING THE CAR DOESNT THAT JUST GET RID OF THE TICKET? WONT THE CAR STILL BE FLAGGED IN THE SYSTEM AS A CAR NOT ALLOWED TO BE ON THE ROAD?

chevyrunner

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also can he just pay a fine and be done with it? or does the state ref ticket not allow that?

Ryne @ CMS

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i have just paid the fine the past and been done with it

Vette310

Pay the fine and youll be done with it.

ss.slp.ls1

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LOL, you or your boy got the ticket?

chevyrunner

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as usual you chime in with a response that has nothing to do with the topic. thanks

cntrmnt02ss

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my bros in the same boat... he got a state ref and the car is heavily modified also.

chevyrunner

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still wondering about the car being "tagged" in the system. chp told him he cant drive until he goes to the state ref.. but if the fine is paid does that untag the car and allow him to drive it ?

chevyrunner

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JJsQwuik

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A friend of mine got a ticket for modified exhaust and having no cats on the car, he appeared to court and the judge gave him an option to have all the original parts put back on the car and have a state ref inspect the car and still pay $800+ or just pay a fine of $1000 and leave it as is. He payed the $1000 and got the ticket over with and didn't have to do anything to his car.

chevyrunner

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still wondering about the "dont drive until the ref certifies it" part.. how is this enforced? how would a cop know youve been cited for this is youve paid the fine?

Nacho SS

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Same way when there's a warrant out for your arrest. If he gives them his id/registration when pulled over and there's red flags tied to the car, then they know. Seen a couple people get ref'd in the bay area and its nothing fun.

chevyrunner

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ok so linking the two questions together, if the car is flagged but the fine "bail" is paid does that take care of everything??


how did your friends handle it?

WomenBeShoppin

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I would think it does, than what would even be the point of paying the bail

chevyrunner

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good point. hopefully there will be bail for him. been hearing from some people you can pay a bail, and from some people you cant.