Pontiac Firebird 1967-2002 - Whats wrong with Formulas?

I've seen a bunch of firebird formulas around. I was just wondering what the differences between Formulas and T/As are because they seem to be way cheaper. All I can see is the appearance package differences.

That's it. It's a lighter version of the ta. Same engine not as heavy since it doesn't have the wing and bigger body pieces

Yup, they are a lot more rare than the T/A too. Only worth less than a WS6 Trans Am(which was more than just looks, but not a whole lot), about even with a normal T/A IMO.

As far as the 98-02 Formulas go, as you stated the appearance package with front bumper, ground efx and high rise spoiler are the main thing. Moving inside the TA has leather seats and power seats and T-tops standard. Most Formulas will have a cloth interior and manual adjust seats and is offered in a hardtop. Not like that's a biggie, at least to me, but some people price stamp the "luxury" of leather/power seats. I could do without them. But I can't do with my t-tops. Love them in the summer.

I love that maple red metallic color^ probably my number two fav next to the sunset orange

Having owned a '96 Formula before my '01 T/A all I can say is that I miss the cloth seats. Leather is overrated in my book. The only reason I sold my Formula was the need for a convertible way back when, otherwise I would still own it. Yeah, the LS1 is quite nice too but Formulas are every bit an equal in my book. A Formula convertible would have been best for me if I could do it all over again.

basically a firebird in disguise

Whats the weight difference between a formula and a trans am?

I wish i knew , i will do a check on this when my brother and i go to the track , 00 hawk him and 99 formy me . But i tihnk in the 3380 range for the formy .

Nothing wrong with a Formula !!

A Formula is essentially a Trans Am in the base Firebird Shell.
It has all the exact same running gear and available options that a T/A has.
The Trans Am adds Leather, T-tops and Keyless entry as standard equipment over a base Formula, everything else is the same.



Whats the weight difference between a formula and a trans am?

Depends how the Formula is optioned, A hardtop Formula will be close to 100 lbs lighter then a Trans Am. But a well optioned Formula (Leather T-tops etc.) will be a lot closer in weight.

I would rather have a Formula than a WS6, but that is just me.

I would rather have a Formula than a WS6, but that is just me.

Same here! Cloth>>>>>>>GM's leather! I don't know numbers, but when I was looking at cars that was usually the only difference from the Trans Ams to the Formulas(aside from looks). Every Formula I found had t-tops, cloth seats with power, and keyless.

IMO, i think the trans am looks alot better. I dont like the formula bumper, and with out the high rise wing, i think the ass end looks "stubby" Kinda how the bullit mustangs look without their "wing" but thats just me. I like the leather in my car, since my T/A is red, it came with the 'black' leather instead of that ugly gray shit. but like everyone else said....options....only difference. i guess u could say the formula is a little faster because of the weight difference..lol

So for sale locally there is an 01 formula 85k miles with no apparent problems. Sound like a deal?

I have leather seats in my car.

So for sale locally there is an 01 formula 85k miles with no apparent problems. Sound like a deal?

01-02>>>all other years. What's the price on it?

unless its a WS6 , id rather own a Formula over a T/A to be honest...

formula ws6 hardtop 6 speed for the win.

formula ws6 hardtop 6 speed for the win.

Pssh, Firehawk Formula hardtop 6spd FTW! The quad nostrils of the WS6 hood have always looked ugly to me.

01-02>>>all other years. What's the price on it?

6 grand

6 speed or auto? That's a good deal for a 6 speed, about average for an auto.

6 speed. but Im confused, because it has the wing on it.

Front bumper look like mine or is it different? A lot of people swap the T/A wings, WS6 hoods, and T/A body kits on Formulas, nothing to get confused or worried about.

Yeah they must have. It has the T/A front bumper and hatch.

Are you sure it's a Formula? Or is it just a normal Trans Am? Only the WS6 Trans Am got the aggressive ram air hood.

Yeah they must have. It has the T/A front bumper and hatch.

Are you sure it's a true Formula? Keep in mind that all V8 Firebirds are titled as a Pontiac Firebird Formula. If it has to Trans Am package, it obviously a Trans Am but it will not say "Trans Am" anywhere on the title, or any VIN paperwork that a dealer/license bureau would run.

Well it has the formula hood. Take a look. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=293305026&dealer_id=65999377&car_year=2001&doors=&systime=&model=FBIRD&search_lang=en&start_year=1998&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=used&distance=25&min_price=4000&drive=&rdm=1297573784534&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2002&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&max_mileage=&address=19703&color=&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=7000&awsp=false&make=PONT&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=19&standard=false

Well it has the formula hood. Take a look. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=293305026&dealer_id=65999377&car_year=2001&doors=&systime=&model=FBIRD&search_lang=en&start_year=1998&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=used&distance=25&min_price=4000&drive=&rdm=1297573784534&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2002&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&max_mileage=&address=19703&color=&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=7000&awsp=false&make=PONT&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=19&standard=false

That is not a Formula it's a Trans Am
And all non WS6 Firebirds have that hood including T/A's.

Well it has the formula hood. Take a look.

Only the WS6 Trans Am got the aggressive ram air hood.

That's a normal Trans Am hood on the one you posted. It's a Trans Am, not a Formula.

+1. It's a Trans Am. Things weren't adding up. Not saying people don't put TA bumpers and high rise spoilers on Formulas, but with so few Formulas and so many Trans Ams around it seems like you'd just buy a TA in the first place unless you got a KILLER DEAL on the Formula.

Still a kick ass deal for a 6 speed Trans Am. I'd scoop it up if possible. First mod is lose the rims. :barf:

I know the rims are disgusting!! Maybe better powdercoated?? I might try to get it, all I have to do is sell mine first!!

Are you guys positive it is a Trans Am? Is there any way to be positive using the vin?

100%, why would you think any different? Again, normal non-WS6 hood Trans Am. Trans Am isn't anything special and I doubt anyone would go through that much work to make a clone. Trans Am front bumper, rear bumper, wing, body kit, rear panel...nobody is going to do that and not the WS6 hood if they started with a Formula. Trans Am isn't worth anything more than a Formula, they are actually WAY more common and more likely to find. Not sure on 2001s, but there were just under 4000 2002 Trans Ams coupes, 1000 convertibles, 12000 WS6 Trans Am coupes, 2700 WS6 convertibles...so 19700 Trans Ams compared to 900 total Formulas.

Trans Am-
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WS6 Trans Am-
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Formula-
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Are you guys positive it is a Trans Am? Is there any way to be positive using the vin?

Yes, it's a Trans Am. Can't tell by the VIN. You can tell by the RPO codes on the door though. Don't get fooled by the title of the ad. My Trans Am is titled as a "2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula" on all state and legal paperwork, title, registration, everything. The car in this ad is a Trans Am.

Well it has the formula hood. Take a look. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=293305026&dealer_id=65999377&car_year=2001&doors=&systime=&model=FBIRD&search_lang=en&start_year=1998&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=used&distance=25&min_price=4000&drive=&rdm=1297573784534&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2002&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&max_mileage=&address=19703&color=&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=7000&awsp=false&make=PONT&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=19&standard=false

This car is a Trans Am.

Note: The placement of the strobe lights on the front end of the car the high rise spoiler, the word Trans Am on the rear of the car and it probally says Trans Am on the doors.

Okay good to know. Thanks.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=18561&pictureid=62552

I know you guys are discussing 98-02's but us lt's are people too! lol I'm glad I got a formula, more than one person driving have mistook me for a v6 bird, and figured out they didn't want to race. They have a sleeper look to them that I like. The only thing I like better about the t/a's is the front bumper, which I'm gonna switch out, not only that but I really want fog lights.

I have a non ram air hood also. Regular t/a but not ws6. It's called a ws7 lol. Whatev. If the engine and everything checks out get it

dont all trans ams come ttops and leather and formulas have different interiors/

In theory . But the car in that listing is a trans am body not a formula

dont all trans ams come ttops and leather and formulas have different interiors/

I have a Formula with t-tops and leather seats.

I have a Formula with t-tops and leather seats.

Most Formulas have t-tops, not sure how many had leather. Interiors are the same besides that.

dont all trans ams come ttops and leather and formulas have different interiors/

Yes, all 98-02 Trans Ams are T-tops and leather.

98-02 Formulas can have it 4 ways.

Hardtop w/ Cloth Interior
T-tops w/ Cloth Interior
Hardtop w/ Leather
T-top w/ Leather

Nothing's wrong with Formulas. I like their front end/light set up better than my T/A's. I think one of the ultimate looks for F-birds is a Formula WS6. In the end, I had to have the T/A and the WS6 hood. The T/A and WS6 have a look that you either love or hate. Personally, I think it's one of the ugliest cars in the world but that's why I love it so much, if that makes any sense...

Pssh, Firehawk Formula hardtop 6spd FTW! The quad nostrils of the WS6 hood have always looked ugly to me.

:usa:

i honestly cant stand the looks of the 4 nostrils of the ram air hood. firehawk hood ftw!!!!!

wanna know the best way to tell a t/a from a formula? the t/a says trans am on the door and formula says formula on the door.. no need to worry about all the avail options and what a previous owner may have swapped.. i highly doubt someone swapped both doors at the same time so it said trans am and not formula

Just an update on that formula (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=293305026&dealer_id=65999377&car_year=2001&doors=&systime=&model=FBIRD&search_lang=en&start_year=1998&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=used&distance=25&min_price=4000&drive=&rdm=1297573784534&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2002&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&max_mileage=&address=19703&color=&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=7000&awsp=false&make=PONT&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=19&standard=false) Its a fake. The guy sent me an email and said hes going into the army and the car is in MO and he wants to ship it to me. WHY DO SCAMMERS GET MY HOPES UP?!?!?!??!?!?

i always thought that TA's had a "few" extra ponies from the factory due to things like ram air etc etc. I know the 98-00 LS motors are diff than the 01-02 due to LQ9 cam, LS6 intake etc etc? someone specify please?

Jesus!! So much incorrect info in this thread it makes my head spin!

Formula Vs. Trans am
These are the facts:

Drivetrain differences:
Base Formulas have the same exact drive train as base Trans am's. period. 100% identical from the air filter to the exhaust tips. Same motor and same tranny options, both manual and auto in each year they were made.

Body/exterior differences:
Trans am=Foglights(biggest give away), Side skirts, Rear bumper with exhaust "ports", and the high rise spoier.
Formula=essentially looks like a V6 car. No sideskirts, low rise spoiler, or big circle foglights.

All 4th gen V8 birds (Formula or Trans am) had identical hoods each year, unless it was a ram air optioned car (WS6 package, Firehawk, COMP T/A)

WS6/Ram air hoods:
The WS6 package is offered on BOTH Trans ams AND Formulas. It is not a Trans am only option and is not a standard option on the Trans ams.

Interior Options:
All options on Trans Ams were available on Formulas as well, they just didnt come standard on the Formula like they did the Trans am (leather seats, electric seats, t tops ect.)

VIN/Title differences:
VIN numbers on V8 4th gen Firebirds (Formulas and Trans ams) did not indicate whether it was a Trans Am or a Formula specifically, just that it was a V8 car. The only way you can tell is by looking through the RPO codes. Most titles say something like "Firebird Formula Trans Am" because the VIN is not trim specific.

WS6, WS7, WS9

WS6=An oem option package for all 96-02 V8 Firebirds (both formula and trans am) that included a funcitonal ram air hood, 17 inch rims, unique exhaust tips, bigger front sway bar, a ws6 badge, and a power steering cooler.

WS7=A non factory package, usually the name for a car that came out of the factory without the ws6 ram air package, and a ram air hood was added to it.

WS9=this is actually the RPO code that specifies that a car is a Formula and not a trans am. So all 4th gen formulas are WS9 cars, thus why I have a ws9 badge on the back of my car :) Some companies also make an aftermarket ram air hood called a "ws9 hood." It has nothing to do with the oem RPO code, just a name. Some people put ws9 badges on their car if they have this hood.


Some exceptions to the rules:
While 93 Trans am's came loaded, the '94 Trans am did not come standard with T-tops and had the low rise spoiler standard. To get t-tops, 155mph speedo, the highrise spoiler, and z rated tires, you needed the Trans am GT package. These were the only years the "GT" package was an option.

93-94 Formulas came with Z rated tires, 155mph speedo standard, and t-tops/leather were optional, no "GT" package or equivilant for the 93-94 formulas to get the performance stuff.

What years had the black and red leather interiors? My sis's bf has a 95 formula and it has that color combo interior.

Formulas are IMO the best looking 4th gens. To people who don't know cars like us though, Trans Am will always equate to the baddest of the bad. That's one key reason they are more "popular" than Formulas. Then a lot of other people just like the more aggressive look of the Trans Am.

Honestly though, I wanted a TA at first, but ended up with a Formula as a result of an unfortunate accident my brother had. The look grew on me...and after the wreck he had, I picked up a cheap TA front end and I know call it the "Transformula"...so hey, best of both worlds!

Gotta love a clean black Formy though!
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/31761_426976633124_634058124_5587212_2303742_n.jpg

What years had the black and red leather interiors? My sis's bf has a 95 formula and it has that color combo interior.

Red leather was a '95 only option. Actually, rumor has it that it inspired the C5 Z06 interior!

Formulas are IMO the best looking 4th gens. To people who don't know cars like us though, Trans Am will always equate to the baddest of the bad. That's one key reason they are more "popular" than Formulas. Then a lot of other people just like the more aggressive look of the Trans Am.

Honestly though, I wanted a TA at first, but ended up with a Formula as a result of an unfortunate accident my brother had. The look grew on me...and after the wreck he had, I picked up a cheap TA front end and I know call it the "Transformula"...so hey, best of both worlds!

Gotta love a clean black Formy though!
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/31761_426976633124_634058124_5587212_2303742_n.jpg

Is this your car? I love the gunmetal wheels, I considered it for my formula.

I have a Formula with a WS6 hood/hatch, leather, and t-tops and get compliments on it all the time. I personally like the styling of it over TransAm's/WS6's.

I have a Formula with a WS6 hood/hatch, leather, and t-tops and get compliments on it all the time. I personally like the styling of it over TransAm's/WS6's.

You mean a Trans am hatch. WS6's didn't have unique spoilers. Looks good tho.

I wish I could find the red leather interior

You mean a Trans am hatch. WS6's didn't have unique spoilers. Looks good tho.

Well yeah....you know what I meant lol

Jesus!! So much incorrect info in this thread it makes my head spin!

Some exceptions to the rules:
93-94 Trans am did not come standard with T-tops and had the low rise spoiler standard. To get t-tops, 155mph speedo, the highrise spoiler, and z rated tires, you needed the Trans am GT package. These were the only years the "GT" package was an option.

93-94 Formulas came with Z rated tires, 155mph speedo standard, and t-tops/leather were optional, no "GT" package or equivilant for the 93-94 formulas to get the performance stuff.
93 Trans Am's came one way only - loaded. 94 is the only year for the GT option.

Red leather was a '95 only option. Actually, rumor has it that it inspired the C5 Z06 interior!



Is this your car? I love the gunmetal wheels, I considered it for my formula.

Yeah that's my Formula, I liked the wheels, just not on a firebird. The TTII I have now look much better!

Just an update on that formula (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=293305026&dealer_id=65999377&car_year=2001&doors=&systime=&model=FBIRD&search_lang=en&start_year=1998&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=used&distance=25&min_price=4000&drive=&rdm=1297573784534&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2002&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&max_mileage=&address=19703&color=&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=7000&awsp=false&make=PONT&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=19&standard=false) Its a fake. The guy sent me an email and said hes going into the army and the car is in MO and he wants to ship it to me. WHY DO SCAMMERS GET MY HOPES UP?!?!?!??!?!?


That sucks man, I was thinking that was a really good deal. I ran into a few of those while I was looking for my Trans Am. I usually tell them that I'm actually in whatever random state, city, or country they come up with and can meet in person. You'd be suprised at some of the excuses scammers will come up with to keep their lies going :lol:

93 Trans Am's came one way only - loaded. 94 is the only year for the GT option.

Ooops, I edited my post above. Thanks.

Formulas have large round fog lights, just located closer to the sides rather than the tip of the bumper. I always say a Formula looks like its smiling at you the way the fog lights are positioned! I have a 2000 Formula with T-tops and leather seats and it gets more attention than my hubby's 02 WS6! (My Formy is an NHRA Edition which many people have never seen in person) Also when I go racing, lots of non-fbody-educated racers confuse me for a v6... which has won me a few heads up money runs!

Also when I go racing, lots of non-fbody-educated racers confuse me for a v6... which has won me a few heads up money runs!

Yup! I really like the sleeper aspect of it. And that goes for attention from cops as well.

I love my Formula...which is pretty loaded, btw - leather power seats, t-tops, keyless entry. I actually wish I had cloth seats, those leather seats get HOT on summer days withthe t-s off!

I just like the cleaner look of the Fomula as compared to the TA, and I actually think the TA nose looks less agressive.

The TA batmobile wing looks out of control without the WS6 hood to balance it off, and the wing combined with the rear bumper just makes the car look "fat" from behind, IMO. Although aftermarket tailpipes look really good with that bumper.

I also like the rarity of the Formula, you don't see them very often, while TA's are quite common.

Only downfall is expaining to someone what the Formula is, hearing people say "oh, you should have gotten a TA WS6", and the fact that no, it's not the top of the line Firebird model.

Also, people constantly refer to it as TA anywyay, no matter how many times I correct them.

^exactly right. People are so ignorant its stupid. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard "I bet you wish you got the Trans am!" or "is that a ws6?" or "nice trans am" I'd be a billionaire.

^exactly right. People are so ignorant its stupid. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard "I bet you wish you got the Trans am!" or "is that a ws6?" or "nice trans am" I'd be a billionaire.

haha yup!

I had a kid once look at my dash because he didn't believe it was an LS1

Yup! I really like the sleeper aspect of it. And that goes for attention from cops as well.

I love my Formula...which is pretty loaded, btw - leather power seats, t-tops, keyless entry. I actually wish I had cloth seats, those leather seats get HOT on summer days withthe t-s off!

I just like the cleaner look of the Fomula as compared to the TA, and I actually think the TA nose looks less agressive.

The TA batmobile wing looks out of control without the WS6 hood to balance it off, and the wing combined with the rear bumper just makes the car look "fat" from behind, IMO. Although aftermarket tailpipes look really good with that bumper.

I also like the rarity of the Formula, you don't see them very often, while TA's are quite common.

Only downfall is expaining to someone what the Formula is, hearing people say "oh, you should have gotten a TA WS6", and the fact that no, it's not the top of the line Firebird model.

Also, people constantly refer to it as TA anywyay, no matter how many times I correct them.

^exactly right. People are so ignorant its stupid. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard "I bet you wish you got the Trans am!" or "is that a ws6?" or "nice trans am" I'd be a billionaire.

haha yup!

I had a kid once look at my dash because he didn't believe it was an LS1

I know exactly how you guys feel.
When I'm asked what a Formula is I tell them "it's everything a Trans Am is without all the Fluff !!"

They are just too damn fast and cant be handled:devil:

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Ws6 much better looking veh. Plus that ugly spoiler on the back of formulas. Pay the difference, get the ws6, will be worth more money if you decide to hold on to it.

ive always preferred the formulas. i like both, dont get me wrong, but im glad i went with a formula

Ws6 much better looking veh. Plus that ugly spoiler on the back of formulas. Pay the difference, get the ws6, will be worth more money if you decide to hold on to it.

WS6 what? Formula had the WS6 option too, up until '00.

And IMO, a Formula WS6 is more desirable than any TA, since they're much more rare.

Go to any F-Body meet or drag day, you can't hit a rock without hitting a TA WS6. A WS6 Formula is the car that's going to attract the attention from people in the know.

And personally, I'd rather have the "ugly" Formula flat spoiler than that batmobile looking mostrosity on the back of the T/A anyday.

And personally, I'd rather have the "ugly" Formula flat spoiler than that batmobile looking mostrosity on the back of the T/A anyday.

The wing is about the only thing I like on the T/A more than a Formula, although not much more. The WS6 quad nose looks like ass, the body kit makes it look bigger than it already is, and the front bumper looks like ass IMO. Formula Firehawk or Formula with a Raptor hood FTW.

Haha to each is own guys, I have both so its hard to pick one. The WS6 T/A looks great as is. The Formulas look great but I cant stand stock hoods and have always really hated the "raptor" hoods. I think for a drag car the formulas look amazing with the taller WS6 style hoods.

I love how after 3 1/2 pages of explanation, there are still several people on the 4th page reffering to "WS6" as if it was standard, Trans am only equipment :rolleyes:

Nice one

Ya personally I can't stand how the formulas look, the formula ws-6 on the other hand looks a little better than a T/A but still not as good as the WS-6 T/A. My opinion of course.

This is my Formula with a T/A wing on it.

I wish a T/A could have been available with a hardtop. That's the only thing I don't like about them. I've had 2 so far, but the next one would probably be a hardtop Formula with the T/A body kit swap.

I wish a T/A could have been available with a hardtop. That's the only thing I don't like about them. I've had 2 so far, but the next one would probably be a hardtop Formula with the T/A body kit swap.

both my TAs are hard tops!!!! 93 and 95

i dont like the formula's rear bumper i wish it was smooth cuase it reminds me of a baboon's but no offense guys

both my TAs are hard tops!!!! 93 and 95

i dont like the formula's rear bumper i wish it was smooth cuase it reminds me of a baboon's but no offense guys

I meant the LS1 T/A's. I do like the hardtop LT1 T/A's though.

any ws6,t/a or formula is all good for me. my fave 4th gen is the ceta ws6.
but i cant deny that hardtop formy. wolf in sheeps clothing is what it is.

IMO the formulas look good. just a little different. in the end theyre all birds anyway.

The weight difference, depending upon options start at 150.

WS6 formulas are the best looking fbodys IMO

love the ws6 formulas too.

I can't believe I haven't seen this thread until now. Where the Hell have I been? :zzz:

I think all the aspects/differences I would have pointed out have been touched on, but I'll add this...

My opinion on the Formula vs. Trans Am debate has very much to do with the fact that there are so many Trans Ams out there. I am currently considering replacing my 99 Formula that was crashed into a few weeks ago and the ratio of Trans Ams to Formulas on the market is easily 10 to 1. (That's being generous.)

Don't get me wrong. The 4th Gen Firebird Trans Am is a beautiful car (eventually I will own a LSx Equipped Convertible), but the front and rear of the T/As are just a bit too pretty for my taste. There is something about the ugliness of the Base/Formula Nose and the subtlety of the Rear Bumper & Low Level Spoiler that I find appealing.

And the fact that the Formula's appearance is identical to the Base V6 gives it the "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing" advantage and adds just a little mystery to what exactly is going on under the hood.

I guess to sum it up, the Trans Am is the "Pretty with Performance" version of Pontiac's Firebird. While the Formula is more of an "All Go with Less Show", making it almost sinister in nature. I like that. :devil:

My opinion on the Formula vs. Trans Am debate has very much to do with the fact that there are so many Trans Ams out there. I am currently considering replacing my 99 Formula that was crashed into a few weeks ago and the ratio of Trans Ams to Formulas on the market is easily 10 to 1. (That's being generous.)

Don't get me wrong. The 4th Gen Firebird Trans Am is a beautiful car (eventually I will own a LSx Equipped Convertible), but the front and rear of the T/As are just a bit too pretty for my taste. There is something about the ugliness of the Base/Formula Nose and the subtlety of the Rear Bumper & Low Level Spoiler that I find appealing.

And the fact that the Formula's appearance is identical to the Base V6 gives it the "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing" advantage and adds just a little mystery to what exactly is going on under the hood.

I guess to sum it up, the Trans Am is the "Pretty with Performance" version of Pontiac's Firebird. While the Formula is more of an "All Go with Less Show", making it almost sinister in nature. I like that. :devil:

Very true about the rarity. I hardly ever see Formulas around, most 4th gen Birds I see are T/A's, esp. the LS1 cars. If you look at the 98-02 sales figures, IIRC ONE year of T/A production is more than all 5 years of Formula production combined, or at least damn near close to it. And the WS6's outsold the base T/A's too.

I also very much like the "sleeper" aspect of them, although that goes away if a loud exhaust is installed. I remember back in '00 when I had my first Formula, a '98, and people at the track asked if it was a V6. People still ask if my car a has a V8. It's not obvious like with a T/A.

I have to disagree with the "ugly" statement. I actually think the Formula looks much cleaner than the T/A, I find the T/A's front bumper is overdone, and the car just looks bloated from the rear between the wide bumper and huge wing. The Formula looks leaner and meaner, IMO.

Although if your talking about people's general perception, I agree... the T/A is the hot looking girl wearing a skintight dress and 6" stillettos in the bar that everyone is gawking at, while the Formula is the cute girl chilling in the back listening to the band wearing jeans and a tank top. I think less is more, so I always go for the tank top girl....and love my Formula.

I like my trans am, I live in florida and I have come across way more formulas than trans ams of the LT1 at least, ws6 trans am w/ LS1 I deff see more than the formula ls1's though. I have also never seen another white one of my LT1 year range here suprisingly.

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I have a '97 Formula convertible. White, Recarro leather seats, low miles, all stock (except for the wheels). Love the look and the clean lines (much like others have said). I think that I read that only around 323 were built that year, so it gets some very nice looks all around. I think that most of the LS1 techers on this site prefer the '98 - '02 vintage, but this one feels good to me. I'm interested in what you think.

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^ :thumb:

I have leather seats in my car.

Same my formula has leather and power, and t tops. But i did put the Ws6 hood on her

I have to disagree with the "ugly" statement. I actually think the Formula looks much cleaner than the T/A, I find the T/A's front bumper is overdone, and the car just looks bloated from the rear between the wide bumper and huge wing. The Formula looks leaner and meaner, IMO.

Although if your talking about people's general perception, I agree... the T/A is the hot looking girl wearing a skintight dress and 6" stillettos in the bar that everyone is gawking at, while the Formula is the cute girl chilling in the back listening to the band wearing jeans and a tank top. I think less is more, so I always go for the tank top girl....and love my Formula.[/QUOTE]

I like the way you put that :D

I also very much like the "sleeper" aspect of them, although that goes away if a loud exhaust is installed. I remember back in '00 when I had my first Formula, a '98, and people at the track asked if it was a V6. People still ask if my car a has a V8. It's not obvious like with a T/A.

Exactly.

I have to disagree with the "ugly" statement. I actually think the Formula looks much cleaner than the T/A, I find the T/A's front bumper is overdone, and the car just looks bloated from the rear between the wide bumper and huge wing. The Formula looks leaner and meaner, IMO.

Maybe "ugly" isn't the right word. How about "not as pretty". :D

Although if your talking about people's general perception, I agree... the T/A is the hot looking girl wearing a skintight dress and 6" stillettos in the bar that everyone is gawking at, while the Formula is the cute girl chilling in the back listening to the band wearing jeans and a tank top. I think less is more, so I always go for the tank top girl....and love my Formula.

Bingo. :cheers:

My 95 Formula has T tops and Leather interior. No power seats except for the powered lumbar support. I really like the car because of the clean uncluttered look. Although I am going to install a 94-95 Firehawk style hood (not ws6 style) with a 96 Pontiac Rram Air box and Speedline wheels mainly to enhance performance. I still think it will look cleaner than the 4 fog/driving light 4 scoop hoods of the newer cars IMO they are just a little "over done". No offense..... I'll take the girl in the tank top too.


Bone stock 95 Firebird Formula, T tops, Leather, LT1, M6, Premium Stereo with CD player 92,000 original miles.

I am a little partial to the Formula :thumb:

formula>t/a. only f-body i would consider over mine

the trans ams look 100% better & sportier than the firebird looking formulas hands down IMO plus on the T/As leather seats are standard

Formula WS6 FTW

reading/skimming through all 5 pages.. i don't see how some of you can dislike the quad snorkel WS6 hood, to me it looks 10x better, meaner and more aggressive then her SS camaro counter part that looks boring and plan.... as far as formula's go, it doesn't matter how bad ass you make your formula, the '91-97 formula Firehawk's either modded or bone stock are the sexiest off all formula's.. :D

IMO the formula looks good with the raptor,firehawk hood,because the raptor hood doesnt look aggressive so it belongs on a not so aggressive looking car like the formula,on the other hand the T/As and firehawks look more aggressive so the WS6 Ram Air hood fits the T/As snd firehawks better

i hate hardtops,im glad all the 98-02 T/As came with ttops,bcuz aint nothing like taking your ttops off on a nice sunny day to feel the breeze

the trans ams look 100% better & sportier than the firebird looking formulas hands down IMO plus on the T/As leather seats are standard



So what? I bet half the people with leather wish they had cloth. When I started looking for a Formula, I was looking forward to it having cloth seats. I ended up finding a loaded one that happened to have leather.

It cracks, is hot in the summer, cold in the winter, and is that lovely plasticy cheap leather that GM uses.

Yeah, leather is so awesome.

i hate hardtops,im glad all the 98-02 T/As came with ttops,bcuz aint nothing like taking your ttops off on a nice sunny day to feel the breeze

I agree with that, I love my t-tops!

My '88 GTA and my '98 Formy were both hardtops, so when I was looking for, and then bought my current car, the one thing I was NOT sacrificing was t-tops. That meant more to me than M6 vs. A4.

i have a 94 formula, i hate that rear hatch. all it does is catch rain and with it drys it leaves water marks. lol so ima get a trans am hatch. but i still like my formula better that a trans

i have a 94 formula, i hate that rear hatch. all it does is catch rain and with it drys it leaves water marks. lol so ima get a trans am hatch. but i still like my formula better that a trans

Haha, that's true, it sure does make a good bird bath!

And I hate clearing the 20lbs of ice out of it in the winter.

Having owned an 02 TA WS6 and now a lowly 98 Formula....I must say I prefer the Formula. They're so unassuming thY most people hardly double take at them. The TA is big and flashy, still fast but more like the godfather in terms of you know its quick but doesn't have to show off. The Formula on the other hand is straight Al Capone, and willing you show you taillights in any dirty way possible. It's nice driving a car with a chip on your's and the car's shoulder.

reading/skimming through all 5 pages.. i don't see how some of you can dislike the quad snorkel WS6 hood, to me it looks 10x better, meaner and more aggressive then her SS camaro counter part that looks boring and plan.... as far as formula's go, it doesn't matter how bad ass you make your formula, the '91-97 formula Firehawk's either modded or bone stock are the sexiest off all formula's.. :D

When compared to the SS, I would have to agree. I also agree that the early Firehawks are some of the best looking as well!:chug:

Way I see it.

Formula = Z28

Trans Am = has no Camaro equal, right in between the Z28 and SS

Trans Am WS6 Package = SS

Way I see it.

Formula = Z28

Trans Am = has no Camaro equal, right in between the Z28 and SS

Trans Am WS6 Package = SS

I can't say I agree with your line of thinking, but I'm curious...

Where exactly does a Firebird Formula WS6 fall in this analogy?

Jesus!! So much incorrect info in this thread it makes my head spin!

Formula Vs. Trans am
These are the facts:

Drivetrain differences:
Base Formulas have the same exact drive train as base Trans am's. period. 100% identical from the air filter to the exhaust tips. Same motor and same tranny options, both manual and auto in each year they were made.

Body/exterior differences:
Trans am=Foglights(biggest give away), Side skirts, Rear bumper with exhaust "ports", and the high rise spoier.
Formula=essentially looks like a V6 car. No sideskirts, low rise spoiler, or big circle foglights.

All 4th gen V8 birds (Formula or Trans am) had identical hoods each year, unless it was a ram air optioned car (WS6 package, Firehawk, COMP T/A)

WS6/Ram air hoods:
The WS6 package is offered on BOTH Trans ams AND Formulas. It is not a Trans am only option and is not a standard option on the Trans ams.

Interior Options:
All options on Trans Ams were available on Formulas as well, they just didnt come standard on the Formula like they did the Trans am (leather seats, electric seats, t tops ect.)

VIN/Title differences:
VIN numbers on V8 4th gen Firebirds (Formulas and Trans ams) did not indicate whether it was a Trans Am or a Formula specifically, just that it was a V8 car. The only way you can tell is by looking through the RPO codes. Most titles say something like "Firebird Formula Trans Am" because the VIN is not trim specific.

WS6, WS7, WS9

WS6=An oem option package for all 96-02 V8 Firebirds (both formula and trans am) that included a funcitonal ram air hood, 17 inch rims, unique exhaust tips, bigger front sway bar, a ws6 badge, and a power steering cooler.

WS7=A non factory package, usually the name for a car that came out of the factory without the ws6 ram air package, and a ram air hood was added to it.

WS9=this is actually the RPO code that specifies that a car is a Formula and not a trans am. So all 4th gen formulas are WS9 cars, thus why I have a ws9 badge on the back of my car :) Some companies also make an aftermarket ram air hood called a "ws9 hood." It has nothing to do with the oem RPO code, just a name. Some people put ws9 badges on their car if they have this hood.


Some exceptions to the rules:
While 93 Trans am's came loaded, the '94 Trans am did not come standard with T-tops and had the low rise spoiler standard. To get t-tops, 155mph speedo, the highrise spoiler, and z rated tires, you needed the Trans am GT package. These were the only years the "GT" package was an option.

93-94 Formulas came with Z rated tires, 155mph speedo standard, and t-tops/leather were optional, no "GT" package or equivilant for the 93-94 formulas to get the performance stuff.

Very nice write up, i go through the same thing all the time when I tell people my Ttype is the same as a grand national. you should hear the stupid replies
to that also.

I can't say I agree with your line of thinking, but I'm curious...

Where exactly does a Firebird Formula WS6 fall in this analogy?

Idk...

I would guess....

Firebird Formula WS6 = Camaro Z28 with RS appearance package

Jesus!! So much incorrect info in this thread it makes my head spin!

Formula Vs. Trans am
These are the facts:

Drivetrain differences:
Base Formulas have the same exact drive train as base Trans am's. period. 100% identical from the air filter to the exhaust tips. Same motor and same tranny options, both manual and auto in each year they were made.

Body/exterior differences:
Trans am=Foglights(biggest give away), Side skirts, Rear bumper with exhaust "ports", and the high rise spoier.
Formula=essentially looks like a V6 car. No sideskirts, low rise spoiler, or big circle foglights.

All 4th gen V8 birds (Formula or Trans am) had identical hoods each year, unless it was a ram air optioned car (WS6 package, Firehawk, COMP T/A)

WS6/Ram air hoods:
The WS6 package is offered on BOTH Trans ams AND Formulas. It is not a Trans am only option and is not a standard option on the Trans ams.

Interior Options:
All options on Trans Ams were available on Formulas as well, they just didnt come standard on the Formula like they did the Trans am (leather seats, electric seats, t tops ect.)

VIN/Title differences:
VIN numbers on V8 4th gen Firebirds (Formulas and Trans ams) did not indicate whether it was a Trans Am or a Formula specifically, just that it was a V8 car. The only way you can tell is by looking through the RPO codes. Most titles say something like "Firebird Formula Trans Am" because the VIN is not trim specific.

WS6, WS7, WS9

WS6=An oem option package for all 96-02 V8 Firebirds (both formula and trans am) that included a funcitonal ram air hood, 17 inch rims, unique exhaust tips, bigger front sway bar, a ws6 badge, and a power steering cooler.

WS7=A non factory package, usually the name for a car that came out of the factory without the ws6 ram air package, and a ram air hood was added to it.

WS9=this is actually the RPO code that specifies that a car is a Formula and not a trans am. So all 4th gen formulas are WS9 cars, thus why I have a ws9 badge on the back of my car :) Some companies also make an aftermarket ram air hood called a "ws9 hood." It has nothing to do with the oem RPO code, just a name. Some people put ws9 badges on their car if they have this hood.


Some exceptions to the rules:
While 93 Trans am's came loaded, the '94 Trans am did not come standard with T-tops and had the low rise spoiler standard. To get t-tops, 155mph speedo, the highrise spoiler, and z rated tires, you needed the Trans am GT package. These were the only years the "GT" package was an option.

93-94 Formulas came with Z rated tires, 155mph speedo standard, and t-tops/leather were optional, no "GT" package or equivilant for the 93-94 formulas to get the performance stuff.

Great info here. Just one descrepancy to note (in bold):

The WS6/Ram Air Handling Package was only available on the Firebird Formula up until 2000. In model years 2001 and 2002, if you wanted a WS6, it was available only if you purchased a Firebird Trans Am.

98-02 Formula Firehawk ftw

Love my T-tops, hate my leather. ill never get a t-top/convert car with leather ever again. nothing cooler than back sweat!

i dont hate the formy rear hatch but would love to have a TA hatch. anyone wanna swap?

i actually got in an argument with a 5.0 owner who tried to tell me a stock TA is faster than a stock Formula! :eek2: :flipbird:

98-02 Fomula Firehawk ftw

Love my T-tops, hate my leather. ill never get a t-top/convert car with leather ever again. nothing cooler than back sweat!

i dont hate the formy rear hatch but would love to have a TA hatch. anyone wanna swap?

i actually got in an argument with a 5.0 owner who tried to tell me a stock TA is faster than a stock Formula! :eek2: :flipbird:

I got in an argument with a guy at work when I showed him 2002 Camaro SS specs and the times were faster than his 2008 G8 GT, he came back with, "You have a z28, it has less HP" It's the same damn engine, the SS has the forced induction hood, but that's it.

You can't really find specs for the Z28, mainly 1/4 mile and 0-60 times.

Great info here. Just one descrepancy to note (in bold):

The WS6/Ram Air Handling Package was only available on the Firebird Formula up until 2000. In model years 2001 and 2002, if you wanted a WS6, it was available only if you purchased a Firebird Trans Am.

Wow really? why?

Wow really? why?

Good question, man. Wish I had a definitive answer for ya, but all I can do is speculate...

My guess is because the end was nearing, they wanted to save all the available parts that made up the Ram Air Handling Package for the more popular Firebird Trans Am WS6 rather than using them on a couple hundred Firebird Formulas.

If someone else has a better or more accurate answer to this question, I'd love to know why, as well.

98-02 Formula Firehawk ftw

:werd: I've wished I had a Firehawk hood since the year I bought my car -- 2002. :( But then there are days I'd rather have a WS6 hood. And even more mind boggling are the days I'm glad I still have the plain-jane OEM hood.