Single Digit Club - 9'S With a stick!!!

hi all, I am hoping to get there this year...anybody else round here done it with a stick? lets hear about your combo!!!

It can be done.
Its all about a total set-up.
Its all about the clutch.
You need a slipper type if racing or for the street a organic that has lots of give.
With a hard hitting ceramic disc you take the chance of braking your tranny or rear-end if not you will blow the tires off.
Also, a good Drag slick with a large side wall will help (15" rim and 28" tall tire)

my car runs in the 9's very consistantly. but i havent ran it out the back door in well over a yr. i did recently go 6.18@114 in the 1/8th about a month ago. on my best pass (9.86@141) my 1/8th was a 6.36@108, so i think when i get back it will run decent :-) combo in sig. car weighs 3740 without me in it. im 160lbs.

I think the real trick is to run in the 9's and be able to street drive it in a M6 car.

Agreed^^ mine has been my daily driver since ive owned it til a couple months ago. Thats why its so heavy. Still has every thing it left gm with plus extra sound deadening and a dvd/ stereo system. Its loaded. Now that i dont drive it everyday i could yank a few hundred lbs out of it but im too much of a sissy to loose my ac and power steering or it rattle and drone. So itll prob stay that way. Like mentioned above though fine line between spin and go. But i get about 15k miles on a clutch so its liveable.

ls2 bait what clutch?

what clutch are you guys running if this is going to be a stick thread...

I think the real trick is to run in the 9's and be able to street drive it in a M6 car.

We drove my buddy's stock bottom end 346 one hour to the track, aired the tires down 5 psi and ran a 9@138+ and drove it home on an entry level 25", 255 drag radial.

We drove my buddy's stock bottom end 346 one hour to the track, aired the tires down 5 psi and ran a 9@138+ and drove it home on an entry level 25", 255 drag radial.

Care to share any more info about the setup -- I presume it's either FI or a big hit of N2O.

Care to share any more info about the setup -- I presume it's either FI or a big hit of N2O.

It was n/a in a 03 Z06.
215 TFS Heads/cam/fast 90
stock suspension
hoosier drag radial 16" rim
American racing headers
full exhaust

We drove my buddy's stock bottom end 346 one hour to the track, aired the tires down 5 psi and ran a 9@138+ and drove it home on an entry level 25", 255 drag radial.

With a slipper clutch. I doubt the car drove to the track and back with the same clutch setting that it ran 9's in.

With a slipper clutch. I doubt the car drove to the track and back with the same clutch setting that it ran 9's in.
I hear ya.
All adjustable clutches are not the same, though. Some you can drive around, dyno, and run on the drag strip with minimal changes and others you need to make radical changes between street and strip.
I can tell you that we didn't go under the car that day because we had no tools or jack but he knows how to tune those clutches.

my car runs in the 9's very consistantly. but i havent ran it out the back door in well over a yr. i did recently go 6.18@114 in the 1/8th about a month ago. on my best pass (9.86@141) my 1/8th was a 6.36@108, so i think when i get back it will run decent :-) combo in sig. car weighs 3740 without me in it. im 160lbs.

very nice times ... I take it both the 660 and the 1320 times were on the bottle. I am hoping for high 6's/high 10's this year when mine is done.

Shortuning did with a nitrous 402 I believe. Youtube his name and you can find it, That is my goal for my car 9s with a m6. I got a long road a head of me.

We drove my buddy's stock bottom end 346 one hour to the track, aired the tires down 5 psi and ran a 9@138+ and drove it home on an entry level 25", 255 drag radial.

I assume you're talking about robZ?

If so OP just do a search on robZ and you will find allot of good info to help you reach your goals. He was in GMHTP with this car, very impressive ride!

I hear ya.
All adjustable clutches are not the same, though. Some you can drive around, dyno, and run on the drag strip with minimal changes and others you need to make radical changes between street and strip.
I can tell you that we didn't go under the car that day because we had no tools or jack but he knows how to tune those clutches.

No doubt, that car is awesome.. just letting them know that it isn't as simple a combination as it was being lead on to be. :cheers:

Not very many people do it, but with the right driveline, suspension, and engine components it can be done!. Good luck with your project...

i run a mccleod rxt clutch. no adjusting. only thing i do is swap out my 17's for some pro starts w et drags. other then that i back it off the trailer and run it the exact same way i drive it.

I'm confused as to why the manual trans guys are having a hard time getting into the 9's. Is it because of the shear weight of F-body cars? Is it because the gearing in the M6 is so short?

I run 10.3 @ 134 with a 5 speed. However, my car is nothing like anyone has here. It is a turbo 3 liter V6 at 22psi on a 75mm turbo. Had I turned up the boost another 3 psi or aired the slicks down to 10psi instead of 15psi, or BOTH I could have gone 9's easy. But I spun a rod bearing...

Anyways, to me it doesn't seem like 9's out of an M6 should be that hard. What gear are you guys crossing the finish line in, 4th or 5th? I am curious to know because I plan on running a T56 with turbo Lq4 next year. My rear gear is 3.73:1 though with a 26" tire.

I'm confused as to why the manual trans guys are having a hard time getting into the 9's. Is it because of the shear weight of F-body cars? Is it because the gearing in the M6 is so short?

I run 10.3 @ 134 with a 5 speed. However, my car is nothing like anyone has here. It is a turbo 3 liter V6 at 22psi on a 75mm turbo. Had I turned up the boost another 3 psi or aired the slicks down to 10psi instead of 15psi, or BOTH I could have gone 9's easy. But I spun a rod bearing...

Anyways, to me it doesn't seem like 9's out of an M6 should be that hard. What gear are you guys crossing the finish line in, 4th or 5th? I am curious to know because I plan on running a T56 with turbo Lq4 next year. My rear gear is 3.73:1 though with a 26" tire.


youre going to need more then a 26" tire with a 3.73 gear. unless you plan on trapping 125 mph or revving the ever loving shit out of it.

..... What gear are you guys crossing the finish line in, 4th or 5th? .....

You should always be trapping at a 1:1 transmission gear ratio ... for the T56 that is 4th gear. Both 5th and 6th are overdrive gears.

youre going to need more then a 26" tire with a 3.73 gear. unless you plan on trapping 125 mph or revving the ever loving shit out of it.

You mean in my car, or with an LSX T56 and 3.73's? Define "spin the shit". My car can spin to 8k. I cross the 1/4 mile with plenty left in 4th gear on a 26" tall tire, as you can see here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8opgmLgBSI

You should always be trapping at a 1:1 transmission gear ratio ... for the T56 that is 4th gear. Both 5th and 6th are overdrive gears.


That's pretty much what I figured. Most transmissions dedicate 4th gear to the 1:1 ratio. For that reason, I don't understand why it is so hard for you guys to get into the 9's on a T56.

8k rpm is a lot of rpm you will be able to get through w that rpm id imagine. i know i had to swap to a 28 and a 3.73 gear to get through the traps under power but i shift at 6700

LS2 BAIT what suspension and rearend are you running ?









8k rpm is a lot of rpm you will be able to get through w that rpm id imagine. i know i had to swap to a 28 and a 3.73 gear to get through the traps under power but i shift at 6700

The biggest obsacle is finding a track that will allow the car to hook and the suspension to work the way its suppose to. Manual trans cars are a lot less forgiving to track conditions, especially on a 10" tire. One of three things has to happen on the launch with a manual. Tire spin, clutch slip, or something breaks. When you drop the clutch at 5000 rpm. The tires are trying to go from 0 to 40 instantly. Its not that hard to be a full second or more off your normal time on a slippery track where as the automatic guys hardly notice. If your local track is always good consider yourself lucky because the track where I live usually provides less traction than the street that I live on.

LS2 BAIT what suspension and rearend are you running ?

dana60, qa1 single adjustable shocks, stock ss eibach springs in rear, 300lb springs in front, bmr adj torque arm, bmr adj lca's and adj panhard

dana60, qa1 single adjustable shocks, stock ss eibach springs in rear, 300lb springs in front, bmr adj torque arm, bmr adj lca's and adj panhard

Are you running double rod ends on everything? I am about to order my T/A, LCA's, PHB and drag sway and it has been recommended to go all rod ends for no binding. I am planning to go with Spohn over BMR or UMI strictly because of cost. I have not read a single argument for going with one brand over another.

8k rpm is a lot of rpm you will be able to get through w that rpm id imagine. i know i had to swap to a 28 and a 3.73 gear to get through the traps under power but i shift at 6700
When you say you swapped to 3.73s that was for the N20 right? What did that do to the car NA??

Right now I'm 4.56s and 28'' and planned to go back to 4.10's for the N20 I should be crossing the traps @ 6500 since thats where I'm shifting.

Are you running double rod ends on everything? I am about to order my T/A, LCA's, PHB and drag sway and it has been recommended to go all rod ends for no binding. I am planning to go with Spohn over BMR or UMI strictly because of cost. I have not read a single argument for going with one brand over another.

mine are all poly bushings. the car was a daily driver so i wanted it to ride nice and quiet. forgot to mention i have the spohn 1" rear sway bar with poly end links. nothing fancy under my car.

When you say you swapped to 3.73s that was for the N20 right? What did that do to the car NA??

Right now I'm 4.56s and 28'' and planned to go back to 4.10's for the N20 I should be crossing the traps @ 6500 since thats where I'm shifting.


yes i had 4.10's and couldnt get through the traps on the spray under power. wasnt enough rpm in my motor. i was going through over 7200 and it quits making power at 6400. they worked great on the motor though. only thing that suffered was my 60 on motor went down a little since my car is 3900lbs with me in it it liked the extra gear out of the gate. on nitrous there was no loss at all.

since my car is 3900lbs with me in it it liked the extra gear out of the gate.


Sweet spreadable Christ on a cracker these cars are heavy! I was told about 7 years ago that one of the guys on a forum I visited had his LS1 Z28 that weighed 2,800lbs. I had a hard time believing it, but couldn't argue with my lack of knowledge on the subject. Seems a little more unlikely now, unless you weigh around 1000 lbs or so. :confused:

Sweet spreadable Christ on a cracker these cars are heavy! I was told about 7 years ago that one of the guys on a forum I visited had his LS1 Z28 that weighed 2,800lbs. I had a hard time believing it, but couldn't argue with my lack of knowledge on the subject. Seems a little more unlikely now, unless you weigh around 1000 lbs or so. :confused:

actually im 165lbs :nod: but i believe sux2bu had his car around the 2800lb mark. it was gutted and swiss cheesed up though. i refuse to do that. i enjoy driving my car.

I hope to run 9s with the set up in my sig. If i can shift that fast?

I hope to run 9s with the set up in my sig. If i can shift that fast?

If your setup doesn't go 9's I'll burn it to the ground for you. :lol:

Ls2 bait What is ur 60 foot time?? How big of shot??

It can be done.My full interior street legal C5Z has made several upper 9 sec passes and weighs nearly 3500lbs. The right clutch,good track prep,TIRES and PRACTICE ! It takes a perfect launch/setup to get these cars in the nines,its MUCH tougher than it seems.Oh,and this was done at +4500 altitude,DA is regularly +7500 or worse when we race !
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e108/455power/DSC_0177.jpg

Ls2 bait What is ur 60 foot time?? How big of shot??

1.43 when it went 9.86. its gone 1.40 a couple times in the 1/8th. it now has a 250 shot. those times were on a 200.

get your 60 foot down and you will get there! A few years back I had a stock bottom end 1999 Pewter Formula my daily driver I would drive 2 1/2 hours over to BMP put some slicks on the back @ the track and it would run high 9's on bottle and 10's on motor. Car would cut 1.33-1.35 60's @ BMP ! Stock bottom end, GTP Heads,F11 FMS cam, Mike Norris Tune!, Home made Nitrous 2 stage set up, Stock T56, Twin Disk Mcleod, BMR everything set up by Mike Norris! , Aerospace brakes all 4 corners,Leather seats,A/C! 6pt moly cage for safety! Car weighed 3090 W/O Driver I was 170 Race weight 3260. Damn I miss that car !!!

Sweet spreadable Christ on a cracker these cars are heavy! I was told about 7 years ago that one of the guys on a forum I visited had his LS1 Z28 that weighed 2,800lbs. I had a hard time believing it, but couldn't argue with my lack of knowledge on the subject. Seems a little more unlikely now, unless you weigh around 1000 lbs or so. :confused:

2800lbs I dont think would be hard for a no t-top car. I took my A/C compressor off a few times from my old formula and stripped the leather for a Kirky seat and got the car down in the 2900's. I could have went light weight glass and stripped the A/C box and delete the cage and stripped all the xtra wiring under the dash and taken out the factory door bars and I tink the car would have been really low 2800's if not maybe in the 2700's ... But it was my daily driver so I didnt want to go that crazy..

You mean in my car, or with an LSX T56 and 3.73's? Define "spin the shit". My car can spin to 8k. I cross the 1/4 mile with plenty left in 4th gear on a 26" tall tire, as you can see here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8opgmLgBSI




That's pretty much what I figured. Most transmissions dedicate 4th gear to the 1:1 ratio. For that reason, I don't understand why it is so hard for you guys to get into the 9's on a T56.

"thats what im talking about"

priceless

get your 60 foot down and you will get there! A few years back I had a stock bottom end 1999 Pewter Formula my daily driver I would drive 2 1/2 hours over to BMP put some slicks on the back @ the track and it would run high 9's on bottle and 10's on motor. Car would cut 1.33-1.35 60's @ BMP ! Stock bottom end, GTP Heads,F11 FMS cam, Mike Norris Tune!, Home made Nitrous 2 stage set up, Stock T56, Twin Disk Mcleod, BMR everything set up by Mike Norris! , Aerospace brakes all 4 corners,Leather seats,A/C! 6pt moly cage for safety! Car weighed 3090 W/O Driver I was 170 Race weight 3260. Damn I miss that car !!!

Did you by chance sell it to a guy in PA? It fits the description of my car and when i got it, the name on the title was Miguel IIRC from FL. Crazy!

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/manual-transmission/809101-fastest-six-speed-list.html

if it was easy the list would be a lot longer

6 speed cars are most likely street or 'trying to stay' street cars. so they are heavy like ls2bait shows.. and that makes for an inconsistant car and can break sh!t.

i believe my best m6 pass is 7 years old?? geeez where does the time go?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/manual-transmission/809101-fastest-six-speed-list.html

if it was easy the list would be a lot longer

6 speed cars are most likely street or 'trying to stay' street cars. so they are heavy like ls2bait shows.. and that makes for an inconsistant car and can break sh!t.

i believe my best m6 pass is 7 years old?? geeez where does the time go?

^^^^this. but a lot of that can be in the driver.

albeit minus the last two trips to the track mines broke once in 6 yrs. wasted 2 gear in the stock trans. and the last two trips it broke the yoke on the driveshaft but turns out i found out later from strange they were trying a new supplier...turns out they werent as good. and mine is always within .05 after the first 2 passes to figure out what the launch will hold.

Did you by chance sell it to a guy in PA? It fits the description of my car and when i got it, the name on the title was Miguel IIRC from FL. Crazy!

I sold it to a guy in Fl. then from there he sold it to someone up in the NE somewhere... If you have it you are a lucky guy I miss that car :bang: worst decision I ever made selling it to buy my 98 WS6 :judge:

Ive gone a best of 9.25@153 with my C5 6 speed car. This was with a standard style RPS triple clutch. I've also gone mid 9's with my stick car on the Spec super twin... Its really about having the car dialed in and the right combo and the right bunch of guys helping me out...

We're shooting for 9's in our shop car we picked up as a side thing...

We're not sure exactly how much weight we took out, but it was A LOT of shit. Probably 3000 lb race weight...

Check it out:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/sponsor-vehicle-projects-shop-tours/1440807-lashways-newest-build-project-backlash.html

My current quest is the 6spd record... my old setup was mensioned earlier in the thread with a few 9.6x passes on a 150 shot. I'm currently 9th on that list and pending I can keep the driveline together in the car it will make plenty of power on the new setup to beat that 8.69 record. I still have ALOT of work to do though so it's a slow process with funds and building the car.