Gen 5 Camaro External Bolt-On Tech - Bolt on SS vs Bolt On 5.0

Thought this was a cool vid :D

Add a little more fuel to the fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7vmKm8SUVE

Both cars have exhaust, cai and tune. Both 6 speed manual.

Seemed like the camaro pulled well

How can that be?!?!?! (sarcasm)

:D Thats because the SS is just that much better! Looks and engine :D

When i was reading about these two cars a few years ago i figured the SS might have some trouble pulling away considering its weight. Every video i see its the camaro pulling up top though. Nice vid!

THIS CANT BE!!! 5.0's Rule all!! Even the Terminator cobras Suck 5.0 exhaust!

Nothing like an ls3 :)

yea that can never happen :eyes:

When i was reading about these two cars a few years ago i figured the SS might have some trouble pulling away considering its weight. Every video i see its the camaro pulling up top though. Nice vid!

A roll race negates the camaros weight somewhat. It is also geared slightly better for this type of race (pull to 110 in 3rd gear...not as much shifting)

From a roll and on the streets the cars are pretty evenly matched. For track duty the nod goes to the 5.0 no doubt.

I have a feeling the 5.0 only had a cat back exhaust and not headers by looking at the description. If it would have had headers the race would be neck and neck IMO.

i thought you could bolt on more than just cai and exhaust. anyways at the tracks its a completely different story. i hate ford but god i love those 5.0s i seen one bolted (really bolted) run a 11.6 with stickies.

the driver told me he may have been of by a tenth or two due to his check engine light being on.

is it just me or did the mustang shift slow and early.maybe they should take the 2 cars to the track and let the same guy drive both for better results

But I am curious.... Bolt On SS vs "stock" 5.0 ??

From what I've seen, i was under the impression that new 5.0's have a shorty style header from the factory... Disregard if it came from the factory, but wouldn't that count as having headers? IMO yes

If LS cars came with a shorty style header I wonder what their OE specs would be...

im sure theres videos of a reverse outcome. but who cares.


these cars are pretty evenly matched stock and comparably modded.

IMPOSSIBLE!

The 5.0 can't be beaten by a lowly LS3 SS.....only a ZR1 has a chance against the all mighty and powerful 5.0. :eyes:

IMPOSSIBLE!

The 5.0 can't be beaten by a lowly LS3 SS.....only a ZR1 has a chance against the all mighty and powerful 5.0. :eyes:

WTF was that!


you mean a modded zr1 with a pro driver. :lol:

i thought you could bolt on more than just cai and exhaust. anyways at the tracks its a completely different story. i hate ford but god i love those 5.0s i seen one bolted (really bolted) run a 11.6 with stickies.

the driver told me he may have been of by a tenth or two due to his check engine light being on.

5th gen has gone 11.6 with exhaust, CAI, Tune and 17 inch rims and tires. (11.7 documented). Hardly anyone is running the 5th gen hard with bolts ons and an effective rim and tire combo. (for one the 17 inch rims that clear the brembos are over 500 a pop right now)

Mustang has gone as fast as 11.2 with a similar set-up so far...but it was a shop car from what I had read. Not sure if it had weight out or some other tricks etc.

From what I've seen, i was under the impression that new 5.0's have a shorty style header from the factory... Disregard if it came from the factory, but wouldn't that count as having headers? IMO yes

If LS cars came with a shorty style header I wonder what their OE specs would be...

They do have tubular mid length style from the factory....the 5.0 does not pick up quite as much from the headers as an ls3 but they get A TON from the tune...so it evens up somewhat in the end.

What people are forgetting is that the 5.0 is maxed out from the factory so when people and coldair or headers they don't gain as much . When you add these items to the ls3 they gain much more hence they pull away from the 5.0.

What people are forgetting is that the 5.0 is maxed out from the factory so when people and coldair or headers they don't gain as much . When you add these items to the ls3 they gain much more hence they pull away from the 5.0.

lol theyre not even close to maxed out man.

From a roll the LS3 is tough, I know mine pulls hard from a rolling punch.

What people are forgetting is that the 5.0 is maxed out from the factory so when people and coldair or headers they don't gain as much . When you add these items to the ls3 they gain much more hence they pull away from the 5.0.

Read up some more on the 5.0, they arent maxed out from the factory. Mod for mod, these engines are pulling very close numbers to eachother. The 5.0 gains more on the tune as mentioned by UltraZLs1.

As far as mods listed, what are they counting as "exhaust"? longtubes, x pipes, axle backs? or x pipes, axle backs? or just axle backs? Now if they said "full exhaust" then IMO, it means longtubes, x pipe, axle backs are installed. What about the tunes, handheld tunes?? or HpTuned by a shop or even dyno tuned? Alot of variables in here, but that SS did pull away.

Nice video, wish there was a better breakdown on each car's mods :)

I know this is an old thread but I thought I could shed a little light on the discussion. Rather then go into a long debate as to why I will just say I sold my Z28 and bought a 2012 5.0 mustang. Now just an over view of mods and results:

Steeda CAI
Boss 302 R intake manifold
SCT tuning
Factory 3.73 gearing

Results. 424 rwhp
Track. 11.6 @ 119.3 on a tire
12.1 @ 119.8 on the stock 19's pirrelli's(race compound or something)

Now for the story for you to decide....

Ran a guy with 2010 SS last night three times. His car has Longtubes, Magnaflo cat back, CAI, Fast intake and Dyno tune. He said 452 rwhp. Six speed car

On the roll: Dead even pull to 122 mph ( end of 4th for me) 2 times the same. We each moved around a few feet on the shift but it was pretty much dead even.

From a Dig: I won by about three cars. The SS/LS3 was making allot of torque and would not hook up like my (honestly) wimpy (torque wise) 5.0 I would walk him through two gears and then ride the lead out to the end.

I know the guy in the SS for a long time. He can drive. Its just that the SS works like a GT500 mustang. Too much bottom end grunt for the tire to hook as hard as the little 5.0. JMHO and a little real world info.

Nice info.... strained my brain a bit.... Vince M. right? How are you, still have the LT1 car?

What are you shifting the 5.0 at?

Nice info.... straining my brain here.... Vic? Do you still have the LT1?

Close LOL!! Its Vince! :D No sold the LT1 motor years ago. Traded it actually for the powerglide transmission in LTL homer/Bad Z's drag radial car. The little bugger has had my glide for 2 years!! LOL!! At least it held up to all the power he is making!! :nod:

Nice info.... strained my brain a bit.... Vince M. right? How are you, still have the LT1 car?

What are you shifting the 5.0 at?

7700rpm's

Good info Spray. 452 seems a bit much for a bolt-on ls3, or that that normal?

Good info Spray. 452 seems a bit much for a bolt-on ls3, or that that normal?

Honestly I don't know if 452 is possible or not. That is what the owner said. Mathematically I would say it seems a little high but I am a little out of touch with the latest in chevy land so I can't comment. The owner is a pretty straight shooter so...? This new technology with the valve timing is really different when it comes to trying to guess hp. The 5.0 (mine exactly) has a huge HP curve (huge average hp above the torque curve) from 5500 to redline. When I shift the car it loses like 5 rwhp (the difference in power between 7500 and 5500) so it certainly keeps trucking along. It never actually slides back into the torque curve on a shift. So it is really difficult to compare the power numbers with the Camaro SS. They are very very different but yet perform exactly the same. I will say this though....A poorly driven 5.0 will never ever win a race. You have to drive the car like you hate it!! Balls out or nothing. Bad shifts, Wrong gear selection, wrong shift points and the thing will fall flat on its face. It has to be in its sweet spot or the car is a stone. The average driver with a 5.0 will never get its maximum performance. He just doesn't have the skills to make the car perform.

I guess it could make that with all bolt-ons..... Hell I'm gonna be lookin for 420+rwhp (after the addition of a fast 90) with a crate ls6 rated @405 hp. A ls3 is rated like 30 more so it could be possible.

I guess it could make that with all bolt-ons..... Hell I'm gonna be lookin for 420+rwhp (after the addition of a fast 90) with a crate ls6 rated @405 hp. A ls3 is rated like 30 more so it could be possible.

Its like the video at the beginning of this thread. I am not saying the mustang would win the race but the guy in 5.0 drove his car incorrectly. He needed to have that car in a lower gear at the beginning of the pass ( to be in the hp curve). He probably could have made it allot closer or stayed even. Instead he tried to use the torque of his engine to keep up with the SS. Bad move the 5.0 will lose driven like that every time. It needs RPM!!! Once each car is in their respective power bands I think it would be close. The torque of the LS3 is substantial in comparison to the 5.0 as is the HP curve of the 5.0 in relationship to the LS3/SS.

The guy in the mustang in the video lost before they even honked the horn and hit WOT. IMHO.

450 is high....a typical full bolt on LS3 sees right around 420 RWHP.

Cam cars settle in the 450 - 470 rwhp range.

I guess it could make that with all bolt-ons..... Hell I'm gonna be lookin for 420+rwhp (after the addition of a fast 90) with a crate ls6 rated @405 hp. A ls3 is rated like 30 more so it could be possible.

BTW my buddy with an C6/06/LS2 vette with kooks headers/X pipe and corsa exhaust and Fast intake/CAI/Dyno tune and some other small mods made 446 rwhp on a dyno jet. He beat me by 2.5-3 cars 3 out of 3 times (on his street tires) and went 10.88 @ 125 on a drag radial. Good luck with the LS2/6. nice engine.

When i was reading about these two cars a few years ago i figured the SS might have some trouble pulling away considering its weight. Every video i see its the camaro pulling up top though. Nice vid!

Power under the curve/average HP advantage must lean heavily towards the Camaro.

I know this is an old thread but I thought I could shed a little light on the discussion. Rather then go into a long debate as to why I will just say I sold my Z28 and bought a 2012 5.0 mustang. Now just an over view of mods and results:

Steeda CAI
Boss 302 R intake manifold
SCT tuning
Factory 3.73 gearing

Results. 424 rwhp
Track. 11.6 @ 119.3 on a tire
12.1 @ 119.8 on the stock 19's pirrelli's(race compound or something)

Now for the story for you to decide....

Ran a guy with 2010 SS last night three times. His car has Longtubes, Magnaflo cat back, CAI, Fast intake and Dyno tune. He said 452 rwhp. Six speed car

On the roll: Dead even pull to 122 mph ( end of 4th for me) 2 times the same. We each moved around a few feet on the shift but it was pretty much dead even.

From a Dig: I won by about three cars. The SS/LS3 was making allot of torque and would not hook up like my (honestly) wimpy (torque wise) 5.0 I would walk him through two gears and then ride the lead out to the end.

I know the guy in the SS for a long time. He can drive. Its just that the SS works like a GT500 mustang. Too much bottom end grunt for the tire to hook as hard as the little 5.0. JMHO and a little real world info.

this is right on the money. and its the IRS if anything that kills the launch capability for the camaro. that and the low profile tires

Power under the curve/average HP advantage must lean heavily towards the Camaro.

:nod: 5.0 does make more peak power fwiw

450rwhp with bolt-ons and a fast sounds like a blown up dyno number! The fast on a bolt-on LS3 has really not shown any gains because the stock intake works so well. He's not telling you the hole story... maybe his intake and throttel body are ported and seen a nice gain? Hes likely around 430... it would cool if he did make that without a cam though!

I think the big problem with the SS and getting out of the hole is gearing, and no one is putting gears in yet and getting some real testing! There is only one guy I can think of that ran a gear with bolt-ons only and he picked up .2 in his 60ft....( 4.33s ) ran 1.6 60fts and 11.7s! That shows what could be done with a gear and tires, the stangs come with the better grearing already! These car's bog down or spin and trying to keep the revs up is not easy without really slipping the clutch.

450rwhp with bolt-ons and a fast sounds like a blown up dyno number! The fast on a bolt-on LS3 has really not shown any gains because the stock intake works so well. He's not telling you the hole story... maybe his intake and throttel body are ported and seen a nice gain? Hes likely around 430... it would cool if he did make that without a cam though!

I think the big problem with the SS and getting out of the hole is gearing, and no one is putting gears in yet and getting some real testing! There is only one guy I can think of that ran a gear with bolt-ons only and he picked up .2 in his 60ft....( 4.33s ) ran 1.6 60fts and 11.7s! That shows what could be done with a gear and tires, the stangs come with the better grearing already! These car's bog down or spin and trying to keep the revs up is not easy without really slipping the clutch.

Word. I have 4 runs at the track and its a tightrope getting launched without spin, bog or wheel hop and then go thru at 110mph in 3rd. Love to have some 4.10's but GMHP just went 12.55 compared to 12.77 by installing a clutch and 4.10's. Not worth it.

Isnt the camaros like 400-500lbs heavier?

On stock rubber right? That .2 was the gear and nothing to do with the clutch thats for sure! The stock clutch is pretty good on these cars and some times and after market clutch can make things worse. I dont think a clutch would do anything for a mostly stock car other then having to adjust to driving the new clutch. Some sticky tires is were he could take advantage of the new gear and really work on that 60ft! What esle does he have for mods?

how can anyone say these are evenly matched motors when one is missing 1.2 cubes? i'm not claiming to be a rocket scientist or doctor but 5.0 is smaller than 6.2.

sorry guys, gm needs to step up or forever be put down.

Gm and ford have 2 different ways of making power, one is original pushrod tech with more cubes, and the other dual overhead cams and higher revs! Just because its a smaller engine does not mean much! The goal is the same so they can be compared... sorry...

how can anyone say these are evenly matched motors when one is missing 1.2 cubes? i'm not claiming to be a rocket scientist or doctor but 5.0 is smaller than 6.2.

sorry guys, gm needs to step up or forever be put down.

Yes because we all know that the 4.6 mod motor is so much better than the 5.7 LS1. How can HP be comparable when C.I. is so different? Who cares.

Gm and ford have 2 different ways of making power, one is original pushrod tech with more cubes, and the other dual overhead cams and higher revs! Just because its a smaller engine does not mean much! The goal is the same so they can be compared... sorry...

Agreed look @ the LT-5 in the old ZR-1 w/ 405 hp back in the late 80's early 90's but the Camaro does need to go on a Diet !!!!!!!

I agree, but I love it still! Only If this car was about 300lbs lighter, then it would hang with the vette though and that will never happen :bang:

how can anyone say these are evenly matched motors when one is missing 1.2 cubes? i'm not claiming to be a rocket scientist or doctor but 5.0 is smaller than 6.2.

sorry guys, gm needs to step up or forever be put down.

you must be on crack..... Have you seen the size and complexity of that 5.0? The simplicity and compact design of the ls is much better overall. Not to mention the ls makes more power na than a mod motor will.

how can anyone say these are evenly matched motors when one is missing 1.2 cubes? i'm not claiming to be a rocket scientist or doctor but 5.0 is smaller than 6.2.

sorry guys, gm needs to step up or forever be put down.

I'll take torque any day of the week. Thankfully GM stayed with pushrods and cubic inches. I had an 08 bullitt, loved the car but zero power.

This thread sounds like a lot of people are hating on the new 5.0s. Maybe a little envy? Ford did a good job on the new 5.0s IMO. And whoever posted a termi eats 5.0 exhaust is a bit confused.

chevy always and forever

no hate here. The new 5.0 engine isn't that great. The way the tranny is geared really matches the engine great and the body is'nt a overweight pig like the camaro. Overall the stang is a good package.
If gm would get their head out of their ass and make a lighter camaro with proper gearing it would be bye bye mustang.

Honestly, I think we need to step up our game. Who's with me.

no hate here. The new 5.0 engine isn't that great. The way the tranny is geared really matches the engine great and the body is'nt a overweight pig like the camaro. Overall the stang is a good package.
If gm would get their head out of their ass and make a lighter camaro with proper gearing it would be bye bye mustang.

Really? My over weight pig went a string of 13 teens at near 110 with a DA of near 2600 feet, thats 12.7X's at sealevel. My 2000 Z/28, which I loved, went 13.3X's at 106 in the fall air with a lid and flowmaster exhaust. I have a friend with an 11 5.0 that stock went 12.8X's with a stick in spring florida air and with a dyno tune,CAI, 4.30's, boss intake and drag radials has went 11.7X's. Awesome cars, I wanted one but wife nixxed it and said if we get a new car it better be a camaro!

I agree, but I love it still! Only If this car was about 300lbs lighter, then it would hang with the vette though and that will never happen :bang:

It would take more than 300lbs for the Camaro to stay w/ the Vette.My Vette weighed only 3135 lbs w/ out driver so i would say 500 lbs would do the trick and if they do it someday i will b back in a Camaro again !!!!!

5.0 is the better car.

5.0 is the better car.

For a drag strip, that's about it.

5.0 is the better car.

Only by a little bit and Just for right now but after all those years falling to the Camaro i say we let them enjoy it for NOW !!!!!!!!!!! LOL

+1 on the camaro losing weight. If they can make the vette that light then they should be able to make the camaro the weight of 4th generations. GM did a huge bo bo by making it such a pig! I will never buy one. Ill stay with my 4th gen and when the ls1 goes then a ls3 will go in.

All the wieght does not bother me much, I love this car! For a daily driver and a toy it does everything I want it too.

car companies care about car sales more than performance and even with the new 5.0. i think mustang sales are down. but the new 5.0 is a runner.

Really? My over weight pig went a string of 13 teens at near 110 with a DA of near 2600 feet, thats 12.7X's at sealevel. My 2000 Z/28, which I loved, went 13.3X's at 106 in the fall air with a lid and flowmaster exhaust. I have a friend with an 11 5.0 that stock went 12.8X's with a stick in spring florida air and with a dyno tune,CAI, 4.30's, boss intake and drag radials has went 11.7X's. Awesome cars, I wanted one but wife nixxed it and said if we get a new car it better be a camaro!

She's a good woman. :D

For a drag strip, that's about it.

From what I've witnessed at local autox and online, the new Mustangs own the 5th gen in turns too.

Sorry to say it, but it's the truth.

From what I've witnessed at local autox and online, the new Mustangs own the 5th gen in turns too.

Sorry to say it, but it's the truth.

But your sig says don't buy a 2011 mustang. What gives?

From what I've witnessed at local autox and online, the new Mustangs own the 5th gen in turns too.

Sorry to say it, but it's the truth.

We'll see how the FE4 suspension handles now that the 2012's are starting to hit the streets. My car with a just new rear sway bar changed the suspension dynamics night and day.

from the factory the 5.0 is a better car... thats about it.

I've been following this thread and it seems to be a pissing contest of who has the better car! i.e. More cubes, less weight, complexity of engine, brand loyalty etc... All I know is that right now is the best it has ever been for muscle cars. They handle better, stop shorter, and are way more comfortable to drive. The horsepower wars are on and there is no telling when it is going to stop. No matter what brand of american car(Ford, Chevy, Dodge) they are doing their best at giving us 8 cyl. rear wheel drive, dino drinking, pure sex in sheet metal to tear up the streets!!!!! God Bless the USA:usa:

I've been following this thread and it seems to be a pissing contest of who has the better car! i.e. More cubes, less weight, complexity of engine, brand loyalty etc... All I know is that right now is the best it has ever been for muscle cars. They handle better, stop shorter, and are way more comfortable to drive. The horsepower wars are on and there is no telling when it is going to stop. No matter what brand of american car(Ford, Chevy, Dodge) they are doing their best at giving us 8 cyl. rear wheel drive, dino drinking, pure sex in sheet metal to tear up the streets!!!!! God Bless the USA:usa:

I'll sencond that. Any of the new stuff is so much better than pre 1990 shit. Although I think the big 3 could do better at responding/ listening to the enthusiest.

I've been following this thread and it seems to be a pissing contest of who has the better car! i.e. More cubes, less weight, complexity of engine, brand loyalty etc... All I know is that right now is the best it has ever been for muscle cars. They handle better, stop shorter, and are way more comfortable to drive. The horsepower wars are on and there is no telling when it is going to stop. No matter what brand of american car(Ford, Chevy, Dodge) they are doing their best at giving us 8 cyl. rear wheel drive, dino drinking, pure sex in sheet metal to tear up the streets!!!!! God Bless the USA:usa::werd: :nod:

302ci vs 376ci

Heaven help us if they say ..

"Fuckit, this year where tossing the 5.0 and puting a 6.2 in the GTs"

Ya, that would change the game a lil bit but, they wont and that beats me. Shame.

302ci vs 376ci

Heaven help us if they say ..

"Fuckit, this year where tossing the 5.0 and puting a 6.2 in the GTs"

Ya, that would change the game a lil bit but, they wont and that beats me. Shame.

Not really, If gm was smart they could answer that in a hurry with a 400+ ci ls. To me they should already offer that in them anyway. You hear me GM...Stop being a follower and start being a leader.

Not really, If gm was smart they could answer that in a hurry with a 400+ ci ls. To me they should already offer that in them anyway. You hear me GM...Stop being a follower and start being a leader.

Um whats a LS7? 427?

I cant Imagine a 2013 427 Ford motor! that would be a beast.

Um whats a LS7? 427?

I cant Imagine a 2013 427 Ford motor! that would be a beast.

Yea 427. The mod motor can't get there with their current platform. The cylinder spacing is not for enough apart, 5.0's are pushing their bore size. Does anyone know if the 6.2 is on the same platform? I think it's a bigger block.

Just did a little research and the 6.2 ford can get over 400 ci easily. It has a 4.53 bore spacing and roush has built a 7.0L out of one @ 700hp. Pretty stout but it may lead to packaging problems in cars these days.

Not really, If gm was smart they could answer that in a hurry with a 400+ ci ls. To me they should already offer that in them anyway. You hear me GM...Stop being a follower and start being a leader.

Not with their current CEO. He has already made a public statement saying it does not make sense for them to be producing high horsepower vehicles when the average person will not buy them. He pretty much criticized the entire thought process behind the CTS-V.

He has also advocated a $2-3 per gallon gas tax to help sales of vehicles like the Volt, Cruz, etc.

When i was reading about these two cars a few years ago i figured the SS might have some trouble pulling away considering its weight. Every video i see its the camaro pulling up top though. Nice vid!

The top end of these LSX engines don't fuck around. I've had many LT1's blow me at the 60 foot, only to reel them in to finish first. You should see the look on their faces :nod:

BTW, I had 2 LT1's, so I am not knocking them. Bad ass exhaust note and tons of grunt down low.

if everyone raced stock Camaros, the mustang might have us by the balls... considering they come with Shorty headers and 3.73s from the factory... well, they had better outrun us stock, lol

i'd like to see the gains by going to a LT header on a Coyote(over the stock shorties) compared to LTs on a Ls3 or L99... I can already bet the results, about 10-15whp for the Coyote and about 30whp for the LS3 or L99, lol

its better to have a conservative build from the factory, than for a manufacturer to go all out... no one races stock, I learned at a young age the SS in Camaro stands for Stock Sucks

if everyone raced stock Camaros, the mustang might have us by the balls... considering they come with Shorty headers and 3.73s from the factory... well, they had better outrun us stock, lol

i'd like to see the gains by going to a LT header on a Coyote(over the stock shorties) compared to LTs on a Ls3 or L99... I can already bet the results, about 10-15whp for the Coyote and about 30whp for the LS3 or L99, lol

its better to have a conservative build from the factory, than for a manufacturer to go all out... no one races stock, I learned at a young age the SS in Camaro stands for Stock Sucks

5.0's are showing 420-430whp with full exhaust, intake and tune. I drove both cars, and while the Mustang seemed to pull slightly harder, I chose the SS because it felt like I was driving the batmobile. The Mustang was a decent and quick car, but it just didn't feel anywhere near as 'badass' as the SS.

But your sig says don't buy a 2011 mustang. What gives?

Do a search on their manual transmissions.

My brother got burned on one. Too bad, nice car otherwise.

5.0's are showing 420-430whp with full exhaust, intake and tune. I drove both cars, and while the Mustang seemed to pull slightly harder, I chose the SS because it felt like I was driving the batmobile. The Mustang was a decent and quick car, but it just didn't feel anywhere near as 'badass' as the SS.

So is an LS3 SS. I hope to see some more 5.0's at the track this fall.

Im gonna go ahead and spark this debate back up as seriously consitering a 5.0. Ive had test rides in both and them seemed pretty even imo. I however am not the biggest fan of the new camaros. My buddy got one and after really seeing the body lines and dimensions and problems...
I feel that much more compelled to buy the mustang. Anyways back to the topic... lol
It seems to me that they are VERY evenly matched. To bad the race wasnt a bit more detailed. Id love to see a full bolt on race between them. Camaros seem to really wake up with an exhaust while the mustangs love a good tune. I think it will be a very interesting video!

Put down the stink stick and back away. No stirring shit up dammit.

Theyre both good cars but i personally would choosee the camaro every time. Ive driven both one of the captains in my unit has the 5.0 annd my grandpa just bbought a 2012 ss/rs annd i love the camaro in every way. They are both still factory except my grandpa thought the camaro took it back to the dealership and had the scat pack exhaust put on. Sounds a little meaner but i didnt notice any real power gains. But while the 5.0 seemed to pull harder it just wasnt the same ride as the camaro. The camaro was more comfortable and just all around was a better feeling car to drive. I. Too would be curious to see these two with identicle mods and tuning go down the strip. Also on an unrelated note has anyone read about the slp version of the zl1. Theyre netting 750hp but no definite release yet

Stock for stock the stang is just easier to launch at a strip, and seem to run a tad faster in the 1/4 on avg. on the street the camaro has bit better top end and it really comes down to who can drive better. I like both cars and both are a win, I love camaros and would never buy a stang and really.... who keeps these cars stock anyway! I cant even get a 5.0 to play on the street anymore once the hear my cam! I had a cobra back down yesterday, we both punched it from a roll in first and I pulled right of the hit spinning... then he didnt want to play anymore! LMAO

Both cars are great. I like both and don't discriminate against many American muscle car.

All American companies right now are hitting home runs on their designs of body, motors, interiors, build quality with the muscle cars.

Both cars are great. I like both and don't discriminate against many American muscle car.

All American companies right now are hitting home runs on their designs of body, motors, interiors, build quality with the muscle cars.

Ya I agree, I actually really like mustangs! Personally I am a die hard GM guy and thats all I will ever drive be it new or old, but I respect the fords and mopars, healthy compition... these cars have come a long way. I love not keeping a full tool bag in my trunk as well. LOL

Lol im the same way i will never buy a ford but they are doing good. Dodge could pick it up a good bit though. Their new cars are too damn heavy iits like theyre tryin to build tanks not cars. Which that goes for the camaros too just not as bad as dodge has done. But still alot of good cars out there but id pick the camaro every time

definitely everyone has there own taste in looks. Some people hate the mustang some love it. Same with the camaro some love it some hate it. I have had and race over 6 mustangs and i would never blanketly say that GM sucks or they are no good because of X, Y, Z. There are weak links in every platform. 4th gens were rear ends, sn95's were underpowered motors besides terminator, 5th gens are weight, coyotes are weak manual transmissions (13 is supposedly fixing the problem.)

I do like that the 5th gen and s197 and 2010's stopped using cheap as interiors like the earlier generations of both cars.

Both are awesome! I would give it to the mustangs recaros for track. They are supportive and awesome looking.

http://www.autoweek.com/galleryimage/CW/20111115/LOSANGELES/111509999/PH/1/6/ford-mustang-seats.jpg&MaxW=630

http://image.motortrend.com/f/39860901+w786+ar1/2012-Chevrolet-Camaro-ZL1-interior.jpg

I will give you this those cobra seats are sexy. R.I.P. carrol shelby your innovation will be missed

yeah the recaros are awesome, and they are now available in the v6 as well :burn:

I would love to get some that are made for the v6 bc im sure they dont have the cobra on em and find a way to cram em into my car. My company commander has a new gt500 and its been a while since he drove it since its been nice hes been drivin thhe bike but im thinking his might have these seats but i might be wrong. Idk when theystarted using those seats. I dont know very much about fords interior options lol never pay too much attention to em

they started the recaros in 11. The have them with the cobra, boss 302, ford racing and just recaro on them depending on what model you get and where you get them. In leather and cloth as well

These are the ones in the GT

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUbSTJ8kpgCFKn-Nr24MmnCMX-JYhZzsMJfMe4Ukx2pA3KLbpF

The Boss 302

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzAuxMJ6pBDkeqyWNNdsPic5H1u3ugx 2hg9RjJvrYqk-Jgb5lv

Laguna Seca 302

http://autoprospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/2012-Ford-Mustang-Boss-302s-Special-Edition-by-Ford-Racing-recaro-7-557x371.jpg

Ford Racing

http://www.evoperform.com/shop/images/M-63660005-MB-2.jpg

Yeah his probably have them then his is a 2012. Im gonna have to sit in it next time he drives it those things look so damn comfortable. Bbut i will say that even though the zl1 seats in the camaro dont look like as much of a race seat like the stangs do they are comfortable as hell. Id be scared id fall asleep driving lol

im not surprised the camaro took it in the OP video, because the new 5.0 wasnt made to roll race. from 45 on up and worse past 60, the new 5.0 just doesnt roll race well. but from a dig its a monster and would have destroyed that camaro. friend of mine has a 2011 just like mine buts its tune and x pipe and went 11.98 at the track, was stunned. i love my new 5.0 but hate the poor role racing. raced a buddys nitrous mach1 and would beat him from digs all day but from 45 rolls hed put 3 lengths on me id never get back lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH53T83GcXU

Just for shits and giggles not trying to stir shit up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH53T83GcXU

Just for shits and giggles not trying to stir shit up

again like i said above,, not a roll racer. besides roll racing is just speeding together:jest:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne6c5tyFvjA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHqbqGCCMc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3p8fZZQM8&feature=relmfu



and then this, gto had a huge advantage with the mustang not paying attention for some reason and still lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0qK-Zr_RI&feature=related

Heres another one whichh makes the video i posted earlier hard to believe bbe
cause it claims that was a stock gto vs a stock 5.0 yet in this vid its a stock 5.0 vs a ligghht modded gto and its another roll race but watch what happens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH53T83GcXU

Ohh and both the gto from earlier and this one are 06's

Heres another one whichh makes the video i posted earlier hard to believe bbe
cause it claims that was a stock gto vs a stock 5.0 yet in this vid its a stock 5.0 vs a ligghht modded gto and its another roll race but watch what happens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH53T83GcXU

lol, dude what have i been saying the past two posts? the new 5.0 isnt a great roll racer. watch what happens from the dig. im not trying to compete with you man the gto was a nice car. but these new 5.0 motors are very solid and dont take much to get fast. my buddys that went 11.98 at the track just had a tune and a x pipe. no gto i know can do that on an x pipe and tune. although put em in a roll race the gto could prob take it. not trying to be "that mustang guy" here to rattle the beehive i used to have an 01' ss and that was my only car for awhile.

btw noticed your army. im military as well although not army, im an E5 in the navy down here in jax. always good to see other military members

Nah im not trying to compete i was just saying the second vid made the first one i posteda little hard to believe bc the first vid claims it was stock vs stock and the gto won yet the second vid is a stock 5.0 vs a modded gto and the 5.0 won every single time that was the only reason i posted that one i was questioning the first vid i posted lol. But yeah always good to see the other military members on here the military hot rod club section is always either dead or guys complaining about getting the green weenie like its world news lol i feel for people when it happens but its funny when they act shocked that it did

But no deff wasnt trying to compete with you i just was honestly questioning the video i posted first. I have roll raced a new 5.0 in my stock z28 and got away from it but from a stand still i got destroyed. So no question its a mean ass car and doesnt take any effort to make them insanely fast and just flat out 1/4mi Beasts

think ford really messed up the mustang with the body. I really loved the 05-09 Mustangs. It would be interesting to see a 05-09 GT with a 5.0 and 6speed conversion in it. The little 4.6 was a joke. I love the 05-09 body style so much. I almost bought one before my friend talked me out of it and I got a 98 Z28 for $8k pristine condition with 110k miles. I couldn't be happier with my Camaro. My friend has a 2010 Camaro SS (technically a 09 because he got it 10/09). LS3. That thing is a beast. All he has done to it is SLP LM axle back exhaust. When spring rolls around he'll have the Edelbrock supercharger :D. I've driven his Camaro a few times and the way it drives and rides is incomparable to that of a mustang. The camaro has a very stiff ride, it absorbs bumps and potholes extremely well. The G's you can pull in it are incredible. we have a loop freeway ramp two lanes wide. We've done 85mph around it staying inside the inside lane with no tire squeal or loss of traction what so ever. two things I would recommend would be drop the LS9 in the Camaro and cut 400lbs out of it.

6.2>5.0 any day.... I wish dodge would give the new 392 SRT8 a diet haha it might be able to be part of this discussion.

People saying that the 5.0l engine will not gain as much as a LS3 mod for mod needs to do some reading. The 5.0 react extremly well to minor boltons. Thing is they will perform better cause the mustang is lighter and has better gearing and lighter wheels, simple as that.

The camaro is a good performer with a badass engine, but it needs to go on a diet to perform equally or better.

Im a LS guy, I ll take a Camaro just to mess with the engine, but for now I might just keep my 4th Gen...unless I go for the 1LE, which is really badass I think.