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Old 04-21-2011, 11:16 PM
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Default ERL- 454 - Can I hit 600rwhp through an A6?

I shipped my car from Dallas to NJ (Cartek) to have them put it together tune it ect. I really don't know what it will put down. I'm guessing 550RWHP-600RWHP somewhere.

Dyno numbers are great, but my real goal is 9s NA. That said, do I have a shot at 600rwhp? How close will I be?

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2008 C6 A6 (3600Stall/Stock Z51 gearing)
3100 lbs

ERL 454 4.185 bore
Over 11.5 compression
FAST 102
NW102
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Cartek Heads and Cam
Kooks Stepped 1-7/8 to 2"
3 Inch Offorad X
Full 3 Inch Corsa Z06 Catback
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Depends on how big the cam really is, but i would say your gunna be pretty damn close!! Nice set up
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I made 599 rwhp with a 454 in my A4 Vette, I had a stock water pump and standard 1 7/8" headers. It looks like you have the best of everything, except maybe heads. Cartek cam and tuning will probably make up for the difference there. Good luck with it!
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
I made 599 rwhp with a 454 in my A4 Vette, I had a stock water pump and standard 1 7/8" headers. It looks like you have the best of everything, except maybe heads. Cartek cam and tuning will probably make up for the difference there. Good luck with it!
Thanks Brian, I was waiting on those LS3 Trickflows, but it looks like my build was a tad too early
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Tea told me the trickflow ls3 heads are not doing well and i was smart to switch back to cath-port heads. Maybe you should slap on some trick flow 245 heads on that car..
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I have an E85 gas station less than a mile from my house. I might look into upping the compression and buying some 80lb injectors....

I don't know how much better the Trickflows would be. The guy porting my heads is supposted to be one of the best. We will see..

The E85 thing has my mind going though
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Not much better....you should of seen my l92 flow numbers next to my trick flow 235 head's numbers. The lesser flowing trick flow head gained me 2.5 tenths and 3mph faster with a tenth slower on my 60 foots. Not much better i guess. Good luck on the build.
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Even with a mild cam i would expect 575
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Originally Posted by mike c.
Tea told me the trickflow ls3 heads are not doing well and i was smart to switch back to cath-port heads. Maybe you should slap on some trick flow 245 heads on that car..
I can't complain about the performance of my TFS 245 cathedral port heads for sure! I think the TFS LS3 heads will be better once they're finished though.
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Its gonna make some damn good power! Cant wait to see what it does!
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RWHP does not always translate into a certain ET at the drag strip. Of course, horsepower is necessary to run quick times but there are so many variables that contribute to a low ET. Your new engine should make 600 rwhp and you should run in the 9s NA but only time will tell. For an example, I ran 9.60 with 490 rwhp in my C5 that weighs the same as your listed weight. I know of other C5s that make alot more power (100-200) but are still running in the 10s, or in some cases the 11s. Tires, converter, tuning, DA, track prep, etc. are all important in additon to car weight and rwhp. Good luck.
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The # shouldn't be a problem with the correct parts on that cube.
What surprises me is shipping a car cross country when you have alot of sick car builders more local in Texas.
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
The # shouldn't be a problem with the correct parts on that cube.
What surprises me is shipping a car cross country when you have alot of sick car builders more local in Texas.
I agree on both counts. Maybe he was burned locally once??

Either, good luck!
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
The # shouldn't be a problem with the correct parts on that cube.
What surprises me is shipping a car cross country when you have alot of sick car builders more local in Texas.
It just seems like Cartek consistently puts more NA cars deep in the high 9s/low 10s than the local shops around here. That my perspective anyway.

They are going to dial it in at the track to see if we can get it into the 9s (I'm going to fly to NJ when it's finished). After dropping all that money on a motor/supporting mods, it was an easy decision for me to pay an extra $1200 roundtrip to ship the car to make sure it's maximized.

It's hard to find service like that. I haven't heard of too many local shops going to the track with customers to reach a goal.
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My very mild build WCCH Stage 3 headed Darton Sleeve 427 makes 577/530 with a very small cam though cats. It's an M12/3.42 setup. We never chased a number but put everything together well with excellent drivability paramount. I would think 600 through an A4 a locked converter with your cubes is doable if you have the right setup.
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I'm switching over to the Cartek LS3 Heads...
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I'll be watching this
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The ERL block should be done soon.. I ordered on the 23Mar and they started 28Mar... They said 4-6 weeks
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Good luck with your goals. I have a 440 block coming from erl about the same time you do. I am going with gm ls3 heads which will be hand ported. I think you will be fine with the ls3 heads with the large cubes. Everything else being equal I like the larger intake valve when lots of cubes are part of the package. I think some of the larger cube builds are starved for air on top end...assuming the intake manifold is not the culprit.



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