Budget minded heads - who has the best bang for the buck?
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Budget minded heads - who has the best bang for the buck?
I know this has probably been beat to death and I have been doing searches but sometimes peoples opinions on things change after they have been used for a little while ..
I'm ready for some heads. I'll probably keep my Origional G5 cam (unless a good deal shows itself). What is the best bang for the buck out there?
I've been thinking 5.3s for the added compression, but that doesn't mean I have to go with 5.3s ..
People on a budget that have bought heads? Which ones did you go with and are you still happy with them? What dyno / track times gains did you make? Also .. what are your other mods?
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Crowley
I'm ready for some heads. I'll probably keep my Origional G5 cam (unless a good deal shows itself). What is the best bang for the buck out there?
I've been thinking 5.3s for the added compression, but that doesn't mean I have to go with 5.3s ..
People on a budget that have bought heads? Which ones did you go with and are you still happy with them? What dyno / track times gains did you make? Also .. what are your other mods?
thanks,
Crowley
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Originally Posted by Crowley
I've been thinking 5.3s for the added compression, but that doesn't mean I have to go with 5.3s ..
Oh oh! Watch out! Here comes the Patriot haters!
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Most would probably say 5.3 for the budget minded. Look at the Stage 1.5. Do a search and you will find tons of info on these. I have the 5.3 Stage 2 and you get great compression and flow with the 5.3. TEA, Patriot Performance, and Absolute are a few to look at. I went with TEA at the time for Brent's customer service, price, and Brian Tooley's experience.
Now, what would I do today? If I was doing this again knowing what I know now. I would probably get the GM Performance Parts LS6 CNC heads with the smaller chamber volume. You can get these from SDPC or eBay or GMPartsDirect for about $1200. This maybe cost a little more than what you can get for 5.3 head which may out perform this CNC LS6 head. But, in the end you have a pretty good performing head that is an LS6 head with the LS6 valve train. That should easily put you over 400 HP. Then when you have more money you can have the LS6 head worked and the valve train upgraded that will out perform the 5.3. I can't go to better flowing LS6 head now as I have too much into the 5.3 head. That is why I would do things differently today.
Now, what would I do today? If I was doing this again knowing what I know now. I would probably get the GM Performance Parts LS6 CNC heads with the smaller chamber volume. You can get these from SDPC or eBay or GMPartsDirect for about $1200. This maybe cost a little more than what you can get for 5.3 head which may out perform this CNC LS6 head. But, in the end you have a pretty good performing head that is an LS6 head with the LS6 valve train. That should easily put you over 400 HP. Then when you have more money you can have the LS6 head worked and the valve train upgraded that will out perform the 5.3. I can't go to better flowing LS6 head now as I have too much into the 5.3 head. That is why I would do things differently today.
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I went for the MTI Stage 2E's. IMO, for $1595 they are the best bang for the buck out there.
Just put them on last weekend:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/141411-i-finally-cracked-seal.html#post1090475
Just put them on last weekend:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/141411-i-finally-cracked-seal.html#post1090475
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patriot 5.7 perimeter bolt S2 heads $999 no core
patriot 5.3 centerbolt S2 heads $1299 no core
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also someone had mentioned mti heads were on the cheap too but i havent seen pricing...i know ap was having a sale for like $1300 no core and AS was having a sale for heads/cam/PR's for 1800 so really any of those guys are what your looking for.
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patriot 5.3 centerbolt S2 heads $1299 no core
AP engineering
Absolute speed
also someone had mentioned mti heads were on the cheap too but i havent seen pricing...i know ap was having a sale for like $1300 no core and AS was having a sale for heads/cam/PR's for 1800 so really any of those guys are what your looking for.
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Originally Posted by BB
Most would probably say 5.3 for the budget minded. Look at the Stage 1.5. Do a search and you will find tons of info on these. I have the 5.3 Stage 2 and you get great compression and flow with the 5.3. TEA, Patriot Performance, and Absolute are a few to look at. I went with TEA at the time for Brent's customer service, price, and Brian Tooley's experience.
Now, what would I do today? If I was doing this again knowing what I know now. I would probably get the GM Performance Parts LS6 CNC heads with the smaller chamber volume. You can get these from SDPC or eBay or GMPartsDirect for about $1200. This maybe cost a little more than what you can get for 5.3 head which may out perform this CNC LS6 head. But, in the end you have a pretty good performing head that is an LS6 head with the LS6 valve train. That should easily put you over 400 HP. Then when you have more money you can have the LS6 head worked and the valve train upgraded that will out perform the 5.3. I can't go to better flowing LS6 head now as I have too much into the 5.3 head. That is why I would do things differently today.
Now, what would I do today? If I was doing this again knowing what I know now. I would probably get the GM Performance Parts LS6 CNC heads with the smaller chamber volume. You can get these from SDPC or eBay or GMPartsDirect for about $1200. This maybe cost a little more than what you can get for 5.3 head which may out perform this CNC LS6 head. But, in the end you have a pretty good performing head that is an LS6 head with the LS6 valve train. That should easily put you over 400 HP. Then when you have more money you can have the LS6 head worked and the valve train upgraded that will out perform the 5.3. I can't go to better flowing LS6 head now as I have too much into the 5.3 head. That is why I would do things differently today.
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I will have dyno numbers the the patriot ST2 5.3's friday. I will post numbers then. You cant beat the price.
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I went with Craig chauk racing heads all he did was port, stock manely valves, mult angle valve job and mill .030 the car went form 375hp t0 428 (with tuneing). I paid $800 for the headwork, valves and springs.At the time I didn't have enough money to have him do the 2.02\1.60, but it would have been $250 extra, i wish now i had done it.
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Originally Posted by tollway bandit 1
I went with Craig chauk racing heads all he did was port, stock manely valves, mult angle valve job and mill .030 the car went form 375hp t0 428 (with tuneing). I paid $800 for the headwork, valves and springs.At the time I didn't have enough money to have him do the 2.02\1.60, but it would have been $250 extra, i wish now i had done it.
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Originally Posted by tollway bandit 1
I went with Craig chauk racing heads all he did was port, stock manely valves, mult angle valve job and mill .030 the car went form 375hp t0 428 (with tuneing). I paid $800 for the headwork, valves and springs.At the time I didn't have enough money to have him do the 2.02\1.60, but it would have been $250 extra, i wish now i had done it.
I got the heads back, they were cracked between the exhaust ports (I saw this visually after I started the car), and the heads were visible uneven from the angle mill. It looked like he took too much off of one and not enough of the other. Both heads went in the trash along with the money I had given him. He told me it must have been my fault.
I can't post about others experiences with him (that pisses Tony off), but there are others,
Stay away from that guy
You have a G5X2-
If you go with a 5.3 or a Ls1 head that's been cut, you're gonna need some serious flycutting, so take this into consideration when picking a head and style.
Call Brent @ TEA, Jay @ Absolute- they will hook you up with a killler set of heads for a great price. TEA's are CNC'd while Jay's are hand ported. Both put down great numbers.
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Originally Posted by bodhi
You have a G5X2-
If you go with a 5.3 or a Ls1 head that's been cut, you're gonna need some serious flycutting, so take this into consideration when picking a head and style.
Call Brent @ TEA, Jay @ Absolute- they will hook you up with a killler set of heads for a great price. TEA's are CNC'd while Jay's are hand ported. Both put down great numbers.
If you go with a 5.3 or a Ls1 head that's been cut, you're gonna need some serious flycutting, so take this into consideration when picking a head and style.
Call Brent @ TEA, Jay @ Absolute- they will hook you up with a killler set of heads for a great price. TEA's are CNC'd while Jay's are hand ported. Both put down great numbers.
thanks for the input though ..
Crowley