Cadillac CTS-V - Header wrap help...

Is this all I need to get the job done? Any tips or insight from y'all before I tackle this?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010110/

1) get a 5gallon bucket of warm water and soak the wrap in it for at least an hour.
2) wear long sleeves and rubber gloves (this has fiberglass in it)
3) there is no such thing as too tight, haha.
4) dont shit yourself when your engine bay is smoking from the wrap cooking in or smelling weird for a while
5) I prefer safety wire over those weak ass metal zip ties.



They actually make a new style wrap that supposedly is better than the old school fiberglass stuff you chose. A friend of mine used it with what looks like good success. it's called lava wrap or something.

http://www.racepartsolutions.com/proddetail.asp?prod=HSP%2D37wrap

Ive used the Titanium DEI wrap, no need for any coating and it looks great. Id also think about using something like this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Thermo-Tec-14003-V-6-V-8-Header-Manifold-Blanket-2pc-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3a37da5548QQitemZ25004 5158728QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries#ht_500wt_661

It may help with the heat issues we have with longtubes.

Look like I'll need to buy some of this stuff. Headers come in tomorrow

Honestly, you'll probably want a couple more long ties, but 2" x 50' rolls are just the right amount for what you need. If you can, set the finished headers out in the sun to dry out faster--if you leave them inside, they'll take two days to dry.

By the way, be prepared for the worst mess that you've ever seen (a lot of the black stuff in the wrap comes out in the water and gets everywhere). If you have a deck or patio, wrap the headers outside. Otherwise, put down lots of water-resistant materials (2-3 layers of cardboard works) to avoid ruining your carpet. Wrapping will probably take an hour per header if you do a good job, so it might be a good idea to queue up some TV shows or podcast episodes before you start.

I used DEI as well. Two rolls and I used safety wire too. Sounds like Tim has it down.

I've heard so many mixed reviews on wrapping... anyone here NOT wrap there headers and have any issues??

I have heard wrapping a turbo manifold can cause them to crack because it holds in too much heat. But turbos produce a bunch more heat. I think with the heat issues our engine bays have already that header wrap is probably good insurance (esp for our motor mounts...)

I've heard so many mixed reviews on wrapping... anyone here NOT wrap there headers and have any issues??

Um, yes...twice. First time the alternator wire melted to and arched through the header. Leaving a nice inch long hole in the header. Welding header and new alternator wire installed ($900). Next time the positive batter cable melted to the header and shorted the car out ($850).

When the positive battery cable melted through my car was completely dead. Had it towed to the dealership for them to troubleshoot. Sure, I could have then had it towed home and done it myself for cheaper but I let them do the work.

When the alternator wire melted through my car was shutting off when I would make a turn or accelerate hard. Again, with electrical issues I go to the dealership and let them do it. I could have done that job myself cheaper but was way easier to let them do it.

Wrap them shits! Is what it sounds like

Honestly, you'll probably want a couple more long ties, but 2" x 50' rolls are just the right amount for what you need. If you can, set the finished headers out in the sun to dry out faster--if you leave them inside, they'll take two days to dry.

By the way, be prepared for the worst mess that you've ever seen (a lot of the black stuff in the wrap comes out in the water and gets everywhere). If you have a deck or patio, wrap the headers outside. Otherwise, put down lots of water-resistant materials (2-3 layers of cardboard works) to avoid ruining your carpet. Wrapping will probably take an hour per header if you do a good job, so it might be a good idea to queue up some TV shows or podcast episodes before you start.

If he gets the good stuff no need to wet anything.

If he gets the good stuff no need to wet anything.

Exactly, DEI Titanium @ 2ea 50' rolls and .032 safety wire on mine.

No wetting, less mess, higher temp rating, and a really cool carbon fiber-ish look! That last one sold me on my purchase. Now if i could find a way to wrap my seats in it and not itch from the fiberglass while driving around the local schools naked!

DEI wrap + the DEI SI paint-- after a year 15% of the SI paint has burned off.. I soaked the wrap too. used the same procedure as #2
http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/ii384/shadybx7/Stainless%20works%20Full%20exhaust/DSCF5581.jpg
huge pain in the ass but worth it.. this has deff kept my engine bay temps down - my CS Motor mounts look brand new after 8k and a19hr drive from Fl to NJ. only stopped for fuel

You should wrap a set of kooks!

Will do... thanks

I've heard so many mixed reviews on wrapping... anyone here NOT wrap there headers and have any issues??

HAd my kooks unwrapped for 12k miles and havent had any problems whatsoever.



Also for those who don't know you never wanna wrap ehaders that aren't S/S.

Why why?

Thanks guys.

I think this is the stuff to get: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010127/

I'll also get 4 sets of these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010202/

Why why?

Because if they aren't stainless they will rust out faster as moisture and contamination enter the wrap. Stainless is a lot more resistant to corrosion so you wont have them rotting out in a few years.

Because if they aren't stainless they will rust out faster as moisture and contamination enter the wrap. Stainless is a lot more resistant to corrosion so you wont have them rotting out in a few years.

Old wives tail. Have YOU ever personally seen this happen or is this just something you grew up hearing (like me)??

Truth is a non-SS header would rust just as fast without wrap as with, if nothing else, the difference is marginal at best. I think this mess got started when people would unwrap their non-SS headers after 5 years and "omg look at the rust!!!..." not taking into account what a set of painted headers would look like without wrap to begin with after 5 years, haha.

Sounds to me like whether or not you choose to wrap the headers it's a good idea to double wrap any sensitive wires or cables with some fire tape...

Old wives tail. Have YOU ever personally seen this happen or is this just something you grew up hearing (like me)??

Truth is a non-SS header would rust just as fast without wrap as with, if nothing else, the difference is marginal at best. I think this mess got started when people would unwrap their non-SS headers after 5 years and "omg look at the rust!!!..." not taking into account what a set of painted headers would look like without wrap to begin with after 5 years, haha.

I have not. Just regurgitating what I have heard about wrapped headers. I have only wrapped stainless.

I'm not sure who the author of this write up is but thought it was an interesting read. http://www.centuryperformance.com/exhaust-header-heat-wraps-do-not-use-spg-138.html. On the fence myself but leaning toward no wrap and protecting the wires that need it.

I had a few wiring issues with the starter. The headers basically cooked my starter wires and they had the factory reflective tape on them. I have since went from TPiS mild steel headers that were ceramic coated to Kooks 1 7/8 headers wrapped and I also wrapped the starter wires, the fuel lines that come up on the passengers side of the tunnel, and the brake lines on the drivers side as well. I haven't had a single issue and the under hood temps are noticeably lower when you open the hood then when I was N/A with the TPiS headers. Granted, they weren't jet hot coated or similar, it was really thin I think it was just some crap ceramic paint they sprayed on it personally.

I'm not sure who the author of this write up is but thought it was an interesting read. http://www.centuryperformance.com/exhaust-header-heat-wraps-do-not-use-spg-138.html. On the fence myself but leaning toward no wrap and protecting the wires that need it.

About this, I have read this and think its great for a race car that sees ridiculous amounts of heat. On a street car, the exhaust will never get hot enough for it to matter. Personally, I love my wrapped headers. I have seen no ill affect while reducing engine noise and under hood temps as well as saving what is left of my starter wiring.

I'll be sure to get under the car and wrap any and all wires with something like this... http://www.google.com/m/products/detail?oe=UTF-8&client=safari&q=fire+tape&hl=en&bl=/m/search?q%3Dfire%2Btape%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari&source=search&channel=products&cid=11327291162227007713&ptab=c&ei=vs_nTcDSI4f-sgeBnreFAQ&ved=0CCMQ8wIwAw#

A little blurry but here is the passengers side of a set of kooks. Pain in the ASS!!!!

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx64/micronut154/CIMG0059.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx64/micronut154/CIMG0062.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx64/micronut154/CIMG0061.jpg

Old wives tail. Have YOU ever personally seen this happen or is this just something you grew up hearing (like me)??

Truth is a non-SS header would rust just as fast without wrap as with, if nothing else, the difference is marginal at best. I think this mess got started when people would unwrap their non-SS headers after 5 years and "omg look at the rust!!!..." not taking into account what a set of painted headers would look like without wrap to begin with after 5 years, haha.

Seen it happen, buddy wrapped his pacesetters on his camaro, literally took the wrap off 6 months later and there were quarter sized holes in the collectors.

Call it a wives tail if you want but i wouldnt take the risk for the little benefit of wrap. Best thing to do for mild steel ehaders is ceramic coating them.

Why why?

I was talked out of wrapping by someone with a lot of experience. He has seen several fires from stuff spilled on wraps that were virtually impossible to put out, completely destroyed engine bay. Just my 2 cents, but I went with the "natural look."

so are the obx coated?

so are the obx coated?

No sir

Is there any wrap you dont have to soak with water and let dry?

I'll be sure to get under the car and wrap any and all wires with something like this... ]

I dunno bro.. i used an adhesive tape like that. DEI cool tape. it lost its adhesive properties and is slowly falling apart. very brittle after a year of heat cycles and not exactly where i placed it.. maybe zip ties would cure this but i rather it be good to go without plastic that could melt on important sht

i used Cool tubes too and they are much better than the tape.. still protecting my starter wire and other fat wires near the pipes..
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010414/

when i re-do the heat shielding, im gonna remove the tape and use more cool tubes and maybe this.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010477/

starter blanket i need to install:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=heat+shield&hl=en&prmd=ivns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1366&bih=653&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=13113286288789721058&sa=X&ei=K0TpTYK5FeXv0gGfu7DIAQ&ved=0CJ8BEPMCMAM



A little blurry but here is the passengers side of a set of kooks. Pain in the ASS!!!!


sht i forgot what kooks looked like wrapped.. DAYUM that must be rough of the hands, good luck whis

I was talked out of wrapping by someone with a lot of experience. He has seen several fires from stuff spilled on wraps that were virtually impossible to put out, completely destroyed engine bay. Just my 2 cents, but I went with the "natural look."

lay a towel on the motor around the oil fill neck while changing the oil.. unless youre really sloppy there is no way to get oil on the wrap.. valid point thou i have heard about accidents like that as well.


good luck with all your wiring around those LTs

raven, what kinda wrap is that?

Looks like standard DEI 2" wrap.

^^^ what he said

Does anyone have any experience or know anyone running the new armor coated pacesetter headers? Just curios how well they wear. I just had regular old painted pacesetters on my f150 for 100k miles, didn't wrap them with anything at all and never had a single issue with them. Trust me I drove the shit out of that truck and was constantly pulling a trailer. I also have several friends that run fbodys and similar situations. They beat the crap out of their cars and never had any issues

does the dei titanium wrap come in black? I didnt see any

To those who have wrapped your LT headers. Did it take 1 or 2 rolls of the 2x50 to get the job done?

Thanks!

i'd go two just to be safe

Is there any wrap you dont have to soak with water and let dry?

I did not soak in water. I just took it out of the box and started wrapping. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010127/

To those who have wrapped your LT headers. Did it take 1 or 2 rolls of the 2x50 to get the job done?

Thanks!

I got two rolls and had about 2ft left over. If I had to do it over again I could have been more efficient with the wrap.