joelster

The guys name is Paul Cambria. He's a very well known $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ attorney in the Buffalo, NY area. He brings 2 cars with him, but i'm not sure what is under the hood of the white one. I talked with him briefly about his orange car. It is full Stock Eliminator spec, and runs in B/FI class. Today at this 1/8th mile racetrack he was running 6.72-6.75. This is my local track and it's typically about .1 slower than the other tracks due to it being slightly uphill in 2 spots. A 6.72 here would be around a 6.62/10.60ish at a normal 1/4 mile track. It amazes me to see a basically stock looking motor that can run numbers like that. He said the motor was built by Bobby Warren, whoever that is. Here's a few pics:

Camaroking1996

Thats crazy maybe he has a ton in heads in cam and intake but just doesnt like to clean

93 LT1 Vette

If you put 1000's in suspension work, 12" slicks, stiffen the frame, add a good Moser 9 inch with 5.13's and launch at 5500 off a trans brake I'd say a stock LT1 if it could keep from grenading would run deep in the 11's. I've seen little 283 fuelie Vettes run high 10's in S/S NHRA events with 350 hp. It's all in getting the power planted on the ground and moving forward. Great car he's probably got 60k in the car which if he's a lawyer = one class action lawsuit. LOL

gatorhead

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Stock eliminators basicaally run a square lobed cam as to keep it within stock dimensions. Those are good numbers but not unusual of a quality built SE car. Camaroz28.com has a full section on those cars alone.

Nice to see

96capricemgr

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Heads and intake are "as cast" by the rules, TB is stock.

They run aftermarket injection to higher rpms than the stock pcm allows and while the cams are "stock lift" they loft the valve at high rpms to gain more lift. Basically "controlled valve float".

The guys that do it will admit porting heads and running a more traditional custom cam is a LOT cheaper way to go. These guys are in it for the challenge. They will also admit they spend more having the heads blueprinted than we do porting.

GIZMO is or at least was into that and has shared a fair bit here

joelster

I should have taken a good pic of the headers. They were the weirdest looking LT1 headers i've ever seen. Definitely not Pacesetters or Hookers, lol. They had crazy bends in them, they almost looked custom made.

93 LT1 Vette

Most of the money spent on those motors are spent bullet proofing, blueprinting, balancing, legal porting and cheating in areas that are not inspected during teardowns. They generally are capable of turning huge rpm's. Plus they rarely spend more than one season before being pulled and reworked. My engine builder back in Kentucky would spend hours on the flow bench and dyno swapping stock parts seeing what would make the most TQ and horsepower for roundy round cars. It was not uncommon to see mostly stock steel cranked 355's with factory 11 to 1 domed pistons with cast iron heads making 460 horsepower with a 500cfm two barrel carb. So an LT1 with forged crank, flattops, thin head gaskets, aluminum heads that have been flowed and ported with a custom cam making 475 hp at the crank wouldn't be outragous. Add a full race 4 link, slicks, transbrake and 3200 pound car and 10.0 wouldn't be out of the question.

transbird95

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That car looks really nice. I always liked stock eliminator cars and I would love to build one if I could afford it. They make it all look soooo simple.

z_speedfreak

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Tri-Y's? I've only ever seen them for the b-body guys so if they were they had to of been custom for sure

speed_demon24

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Did you expect a car like that to be running a $300 set of headers? They live in the real world not internet when cheap parts are as good as the best out there.

joelster

No I didn't expect to see a cheap header on it. I would expect something like a Kooks 1 7/8" or a Hedman Husler 1 7/8", but these looked different. Why do you have to word everything like such an *******?

moehorsepower

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Yes and since these races are not like Nascar where the engine would be torn down for inspection the internals are to the limit, These guys usually run a big cams with very wide LSA so the car does not lope or barley does. Like said, probably tons of airflow work on the heads ect. Don't get me wrong, that is good ET's. I had a customer with a Bone Stock LT1, just suspension work and a tune. He never raced before and the first time out ran a 13.00 flat. I mean with some minor mods and practice he surely would of been in the 12's..No comparasion to this car but just pointing out the potential of our cars.

T/ALT1

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Well S/S cars like this one are very limited on modifications, The cars must use stock style suspension, 9"slicks, no gutted junk, cars must have interior minus backseats, radio etc..& have weight limits for each class. The S/S LT1 cars that I have seen locally have stepped headers starting at 1-5/8" to 1-3/4" or 1-7/8"'s. Lt1's don't come with domed pistons, flattops but they do have good compression with the small cc's combustion chambers. The guys that are really competitive spend $10-15K for a stocker LT1 from Georgia (Joesy Racing), then another few grand on aftermarket EFI, rollcages, lightweight spools, axles, driveshafts, TH200 tranny ($4-5K) they only last 10passes between rebuilds so alot of $$$$ and work. I think it's cool but it I spent $10k on a race engine, it better make more then 475HP and run alot quicker then 10.50's. The last LT1 I built cost me $5,500 and it ran 10.80@127.8mph on motor with pumpgas and the stock PCM. LOL

GIZMO

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LOL. Probably the best Stock/SS engine builder in the country! He is a NHRA Division 2 Hall Of Famer. In his seventies and still racing. Heck of a nice guy too.

joelster

I did a google on him after I posted and I see all of the accomplishments he's made. He's always right at the top of the qualifying charts at the races he enters.

Do you know Paul Cambria at all? Ever race against him?

GIZMO

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I have raced with Paul several times. Heck of a nice guy as well. He always brings really nice stuff to the races. When I first met him he was towing a 24 ft trailer behind a Hummer!

CamaroRacing12

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tell us more about that porsche 944 in the first picture

quik95lt1

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i wish i could get one of these SS cars setup so well for the track and drop my powerplant into it.....

Wicked94Z

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lots of interesting misinformation in this thread. lofting valves, wide LSAs, square lobes and "cheating"

speed_demon24

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So they aren't lofting valves? I used to race 4 cycle karts and we were limited to stock 5hp briggs lift so we were lofting valves. If a $1500 gokart engine can do it what makes you think one of those engines cant?