2002_TAWS6

Car: 2002 WS6 6-spd.

Mods: airlid, asp pulley, 160 stat, TR224 114, Kooks LT, Kooks catted y-pipe, corsa (defected during the run - broken baffle in muffler), spec 3 clutch and nitto DRs 275 40 17, 6 speed, no suspension mods.

This was the first time for me at the track with the nittos (bought them 3 days ago). I must admit i sucked during the burnouts. Still not used to doing that at the track. Made 6 runs but im sure they were all horrible.

Passes:

1) 2.26 60FT, 8.66 1/8, 11.0 1000, 13.10 at 112.4mph 1/4.
2) 2.64 60FT, 9.18 1/8, 11.6 1000, 13.64 at 111.9mph 1/4.
3) 2.20 60FT, 8.57 1/8, 10.9 1000, 12.99 at 111.5mph 1/4.
4) 2.33 60FT, 8.72 1/8, 11.1 1000, 13.16 at 113.1mph 1/4.
5) 2.19 60FT, 8.56 1/8, 10.9 1000, 12.98 at 115.2mph 1/4.
6) 2.20 60FT, 8.46 1/8, 10.8 1000, 12.85 at 115.4mph 1/4.

I hit the rev limiter on every single run through almost every gear. Im not an idiot im just having problems reading my tach. My rev limit is set at 6700 rpm. According to the tachometer on first gear I hit the rev limiter at 6100-6200, 2nd gear 6300-6400, 3rd gear 6400-6500, dont know about 4th i didnt try it at the track lol. I still sucked at memorizing every different shifting point on each gear but ill visit the track another time. On the last run I only hit the rev limiter on 1st gear if i remember correctly.

1) So how quick would my car run with a better driver? I was thinking my 60FT should drop down to at least 1.9 or something. I know every .1 60FT equates to .15 of the ET. So Im guessing my car has the potential of running 12.5s at 116?

Race weight was 3590 with half a tank of gas. Car also has the wingswest kit on it but the side skirts were not on during the runs (its sitting in the body shop). I weigh 150. Car should weigh 3440lbs. Oh yeah and I removed the spare tire and jack.

2) What the best 60FT time i can achieve on those nittos? remember im running the stock 10 bolt.

3) when did my times suck the most? should my only concern be on the 60FT?

Critics come in and do the talking. Teach me how to

I was VERY glad I beat my buddy's 02 Z06 3 times out of the 6 runs! I think i started to suck at driving because my only concern was beating a Z06 and he was running 13.6 and a 13.1 LOL. He couldnt hook up any it was crazy. Im glad I didnt do that bad.. or did I?

1 more thing, on the last 2 runs I launched at 3000 rpms and slipped the clutch.

z98

What's the DA. If a Z06 was running 13.6 it probably wasn't that good.

Fred99LS1

Hey now...,

I think your car has 11 second potential right now. You need to learn how to launch that thing. Your mph & race weight tells me a 1.70 sixty foot time is all you need to see a 11 second time slip.

It kind of sounds like your having traction issues. What psi are you running in the Nitto's? How are you heating them & how do you try to launch? I bet if you quit tapping the rev limiter you'd see 117 mph. I'd guess your making around 400 RWHP, Fred

C_B64

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That MPH is defnintely an 11 sec potential.

I know a guy, he went 11.9's at 114 mph, In his 2000 WS6, Cam only- TR 224, Full bolt on M6, with 4.10 gears and BFG Drag Radials, He preloads the drivetrain and launches at 5-6k on a 10 bolt. So your car has 11 sec potential.

2002_TAWS6

Thanks for the awesome feedback fred.

I dont happen to know the DA sorry.

My car dynoed 360rwhp tuned but without the headers. Didnt dyno after the headers install. Im hoping to hit 390s now but if I hit close to 400rwhp ill be super happy.

I didnt adjust the psi in the nittos. It was set to what the tires indicate. I think it was 44psi? cant remember to be quite honest.

I heated the tires up doing a burnout in 1st gear with very little smoke (hardly visible to people on stage). It looked kinda to be honest. Car died and I was very embarrassed. It was my first time doing a burnout in a manual car so I sucked at it really. All I did was put it on first gear, raise rpms to 4000 slip the clutch and floor the gas pedal. Then I moved my left foot off the clutch pedal and onto the brakes to help the gas pedal foot dancing with my right foot. Kinda hard to explain.

DAMN fred I just saw your sig. What do you have in that thing if your running 12.4s and you dont even have headers or tuning?

How in the name of god can I get a 1.7 60FT? Also how tough is that on the stock 10 bolt?

need the feedback very badly. If I can get 11 sec time slips out of this thing and im barely getting 12 sec slips then i suck at this ..

Ill be getting an NX wet nitrous kit 100 shot this weekend. I better learn how to drive or it will suck knowing that fact my approximately 500rwhp fbody is barely trapping 11s in the 1/4 mile

Help me get a better 60FT time please!

2002_TAWS6

Are you sure you can say my car should run 11s? Remember your comparing me to the same car with 4.10 gears and stickier tires.

I sure hope you guys are right. Although I only hit 12.8 in 6 runs I still thought it was a piece of cake considering a 2.20 60FT and tapping the rev limiter...

2002_TAWS6

One more thing, if Im trapping 115mph speeds at 12.8sec does that mean if I get slower times I should have lower trap speeds?

In other words if I ran the 1/4 mile in 11.9 sec last night, my car would be quicker BUT wouldnt my trap speeds have to be lower?

Are we comparing apples to apples here? just want to make sure what to expect.

chief455

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look at my sig = same e.t. but 10 mph slower. I ran 44 psi and smoked my Nittos. Dropped all the way to 17 psi and BURNED them after the water box to get a bite. When I could FEEL the launch it was still a 1.79 60' so with a stick car you'll have trouble. You need to raise your limiter so you can shift clean at around 6500 I'd think. I had to with my A4 just to get from 104 to 106mph.
I believe at 115-116mph safely you should get very low 12's with decent launches and shifting. Practice man - we can't drive it in here!!
"In other words if I ran the 1/4 mile in 11.9 sec last night, my car would be quicker BUT wouldnt my trap speeds have to be lower?"
NO!!!!!! You want to get there QUICKER in drag racing, but mph is an indicater of how fast the car COULD be. If you put 4.88 gears in you would be quick as hell for 800 ft but in the 1/4 you couldn't rev high enough to break 100 mph. So you lose e.t with that combination.
If the car did a best 99.5 mph expect 13.9 e.t., 106 mph expect 12.85 e.t, 115 expect 12. e.t - just common mph/e.t. from years of watching cars run. Not bible but something to go by.

SMOKIN01TA

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first of all the horible 60fts can be brought way down by putting the nittos as 16psi which is optimal pressure for a good launch. look at my time in sig. it was with boltons and 4.10 gears at 3600 lbs. my best 60 on nittos is a 1.78 with crappy burnout. so you can be pulling mid 1.7s. with that tr224 cam you should be running 11.5-11.8 depending on weight and weather. you live in the right place for weather. so if you get lots of practice youll be in the 11's

jerflash

ya man you need to work on your launch and your shifting

my best is 12.38 @ 111+ with a 1.84 60ft
lid, catback, nitto and it was not a great day either
head wind was 30mph thats why the mph sucks so bad
i adverage over 112 most of the time

you sould be getting atleast a high 11

you need to do a second gear burn out to get those nittos hot enough to bite hard
got yourself some 16"rims to put some nittos on
the 17s suck *** even if they are wider
put the 16s down to 16 lbs after they are hot and you will have alot easier time getting off the line
and dont be afraid of blowing your rear
i launch my car at 4000 with nittos and a stock 10 bolt and dead hook most of the time and im fine

SouthFL.02.SS

Get yourself a shiftlight! It helps.

2002_TAWS6

hmm thanks for the awesome responses again.

I just bought some 17 inch nittos and paid lots for them so I dont have a choice as far as getting a 16" wheel and new tires. I mentioned my tires at the beginning to make sure if 1.7 60Fts are duable hope no one thought I had 16" wheels now?

1) Chief455, thanks for the long details post. It definetly helped. though I never saw you mentioning the best possible time my car could get? Do you also agree it has 11 sec potential?

2) SMOKINTA were you talking about the 275 40 17 nitto DRs?

3) Hmm.. I thought about doing a burnout in 2nd gear at the track but cant tell why I forgot about that. How bad do I need to smoke these tires to get a 1.7 60 FT? Bad enough to cover the car with smoke? I know its a tough question to ask.. maybe a good describtion or video could help?

4) Also about adjust the tire pressure, wouldnt that hurt the run somewhere in the higher speeds like 90mph+ ?

5) What the best tire pressure on 275 40 17 Nitto DRs again?

sorry .. i've been

SMOKIN01TA

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nope, that was on 245 50r16 nittos at 16psi that i pulled the 1.78 with a nontiresomking burnout.

jerflash

i do a 2ed gear burn out and keep it going for about 7-10 seconds
i got a best 60 of 1.84 at a track with no prep what so ever
nittos need to be heated
bfgs dont have to be

chief455

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1) Chief455, thanks for the long details post. It definetly helped. though I never saw you mentioning the best possible time my car could get? Do you also agree it has 11 sec potential?

ANSWER: Sure, but to be safe I said 12. Some cars just don't get the combination and hit the low e.t. -it's ALL about the combination. I hope you do hit 11's because I bought a TR224/112 cam, Jethots and getting a dyno tune. I'll be right with you then!

3) Hmm.. I thought about doing a burnout in 2nd gear at the track but cant tell why I forgot about that. How bad do I need to smoke these tires to get a 1.7 60 FT? Bad enough to cover the car with smoke? I know its a tough question to ask.. maybe a good describtion or video could help?

ANSWER: I did over 20 passes on rented track day with 275/40/17 Nittos and at 17 psi the sidewalls were just slumped enough I stopped letting air out. I could feel a slight wobble at 100+mph comparable to a 28x10x15 slick with 9 psi
not scary - just know it's there. I pumped them back to 35 psi for the ride home. My best 60' were after a $$$$ burning melt down. I did it for fun and they loved it. I ended up doing a steady 2500 rpm 1st gear to 2nd gear linelok churning them off. Then a dry hop and slam the brakes. Another dry hop and hit the brakes. I could tell if they were biting by trying a quick full launch. I put it in neutral and cleared the motor after the 2 hops. Then roll easy lightly on the brake until the 2nd staged light and gently stop the car. I found jamming the brakes staging I left slower than staging deep holding the brake pedal lightly and letting off on the 3rd yellow. The brakes must actually need time to release. Then go like hell man!

chief455

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I see you have no suspension mods either. My BMR torque arm, lower controls arms and strut brace really make my car feel sturdy. I can't tell you they helped the e.t. - but the sure didn't hurt

I sold my triple black 95 Formula ragtop to John G. in Staten Island ...he had a red 35th SS ragtop..know him? He's young but pretty sharp with these cars.

jerflash

yo man with an m6 car its all about the driver
there are alot of variables
where to launch, how to launch
how fast you can shift, if you powershift
what rpm is the best place to shift

all things that have to be done perfectly to get the best pass
i personaly dont powershift

C_B64

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That Guy I knew was getting 1.7x 60's on his 6 speed 10 bolt. He preloads the drivetrain in stageing. Its sort of like power brakeing an automatic with a stall, its better on the rear because it doesn't get a sudden shock that you normally would. Though this would be very hard to do if you were in to brackett racing, but if you just wanna get a good time, You should practice doing this. You hold the break and let out of the clutch until it loads the drivetrain, all while you have your rpm's up.(Very Easy with a Line Lock) You can get an SLP one for about $100 and some change from a sponsor, with all the pre bent lines.He was doing 5 to 6k rpm dumps, and it held up, but im sure it would have busted something if he hadn't preloaded it.

With you trap speeds you have an 11 sec potential car.

Oon another note He put down 353 RWHP on a MUSTANG dyno. It will Be more like about 380- 390 rwhp on a Dynojet....

underatedT/A

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go with 4.10 gears. i went 12.57 at 112 with 4.10's, hooker catback,lid, hypertec, and all the bmr suspension upgrades and last but not least air bag in right side. at 1.94 60ft on kumhos street tires

underatedT/A

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oh yeah i side step the clutch at 4grand and spin all the way through first and second but the car is moving because of the short gear ratio